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JCreazy , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend

It seems like I’m constantly finding bugs in businesses’ apps. Do they not have people test them?

example ,

sure they do, you’re one of them

vithigar ,

As someone in the dev team for a “business app”, we probably know about most or all of them, but they’re just not important enough for anyone in management to prioritize them as part of a sprint. It’s also possible no one has given us reproducible steps to make them happen, so we just straight up don’t know what to fix. Usually the former though.

jol ,

They do, and they have a backlog of hundreds of issues to fix and they must prioritise then. If fixing a bug doesn’t make money, it’s not priority.

MashedTech ,

I deal with this every day. It hurts me to my core.

Lost_My_Mind ,

I hate how they’ll spend 4 years squashing all the bugs…and then they cancel the software, and release a new buggy version.

RGB3x3 ,

cough Sonos

KillingTimeItself ,

i will never forgive the emby team for creating the single most idiotic (although rather funny) transcoding system.

It has a resolution selection, along with a bitrate selection, so you would think it forces transcoding.

It turns out the resolution is actually just a suggestion, and the bitrate is what it targets, if it doesn’t meet the bitrate, it will transcode, and if you get lucky, it might transcode to the specified resolution.

bitchkat ,

I am steadfast that I will occasionally take some time and kill off some low hanging fruit. For me, its kind of like a break and lets me clear my head on the bigger issues.

jol ,

Even then, there are bugs that need multiple people (design, engineering, content, QA, etc) and are not something that can be fixed on a whim.

bitchkat ,

Those would not be considered low hanging fruit.

jol ,

The problem is that what users consider low hanging fruit is often not, and what is low hanging fruit for devs, is invisible stuff that users don’t notice. The intersection is the tastiest low hanging fruit, but as such it’s also rare and easily picked by anyone.

bitchkat ,

I never said that users were involved in this. This is just grabbing some bugs off the queue that are simple to fix but have been deprioritized by project manager.

But they do make the customer happy because they are the one that submitted the bug.

mrkite ,
@mrkite@programming.dev avatar

I would fix that bug but the complete rewrite that management has had me working on for the past two years will make it obsolete anyway.

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, the circle of life

NigelFrobisher ,

Sometimes no.

Blackmist ,

Yes, they’re called “customers”.

KillingTimeItself ,

they test them…

Whether they do anything with that testing is another story,.

chocoladisco ,

We are supposed to be testing them? /s

KillingTimeItself ,

you already are smh, you just don’t know it!

Andrenikous ,

Sometimes. Other times they layoff the QAs and anyone else whose job is about quality.

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

They usually do yes however it’s all about prioritization.

You may have hundreds or thousands or open requests and issues.

With tens of thousands of closed issues that were either not reproducible, not actually problems, or largely indecipherable.

There’s usually a feature roadmap which is where most of the development money and time is spent. If it’s an older business application then certain bugs might easily take weeks to find, fix, test, validate, go through user acceptance, A/B test, and then deploy. But fixing is expensive work, so if the bug isn’t severe it’s usually deprioritized next to higher priority work.

StaySquared , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend

He finally won the war after so many battles.

Appoxo , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Repost

Anticorp , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend

That happened.

PenisWenisGenius , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend

inb4 they wait until his last day then roll back the changes because functional code/unauthorized changes are against company policy and actually they need that bug to slow down the user so they don’t click so fast the database crashes.

some_guy ,

Oh, you cynical (and probably right) monster. Cheers!

Haus , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend
@Haus@kbin.social avatar

ESR: "Every good work of software starts by scratching a developer's personal itch."

bitchkat ,

I thought that buffoon was out of my memory Everybody Loves Eric Raymond

Buffman , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend
jnk , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend

Everything is open source for this guy after using this simple trick. Big techs HATE him!

DeathsEmbrace ,

Imagine getting a big enough resume to get jobs at any company just so you can do this one neat little trick.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

NGL I apply to places where I use the software. But it’s not one thing, it’s a dozen things I would fix.

I actually never successfully got the job. Probably because during the interview, I come off like a rambling psychopath pointing out extremely specific things.

CaptDust ,

Part of my previous company’s hiring process included having the candidate use our software, then asking what they thought of the experience and what improvements they thought would have the most impact. It wasn’t entirely useful because devs weren’t in control of prioritizing changes, but it was always interesting to see which pain points stuck out to the candidate.

flambonkscious ,

This strikes me as a really good idea… If they come up with batshit insane things, or obviously can’t click straight, it’s a good indicator.

CaptDust ,

It does give some insight into how people think. Some people are bothered with UI events and placement, others wanted to reduce the bandwidth it required, we had one girl who approached it focused on the accessibility of the software, and unfortunately for us support was abysmal. You also need thick skin to invite random joe off the street to tell you how your software sucks.

InfiniteWisdom ,
@InfiniteWisdom@sh.itjust.works avatar

Honestly, anybody with a gender studies degree can get into software developer nowadays no sweat, nowadays the fortune 500 standards are so low that they’ll just hire anyone on the spot without even questioning it. Honestly only started to take note of this the second Biden got into office, the quality of software overall has gone down. Overall, back to open source, I never truly got the open source movement in general, never been my thing. Proprietary software is inheitly more secure which is why most enterprise systems still use windows xp.

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

I kept reading waiting for the punch line, didn’t see one. I think I’ve fallen victim to Poe’s law. I legitimately can’t tell if this is satire.

Socsa ,

G8 B8 M8

Sorse ,
@Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

More like source available, since you can’t use the code in your stuff without the permission of the company 🤓

hsdkfr734r , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend

Let the patch be part of the code for one or two minor releases. Then revert the changes of the patch.

victorz ,

Why would they do that? Talk about generating mistrust.

henfredemars ,

It may not be malice. Incompetence.

jaybone ,

They are going to “accidentally” remove a fix?

henfredemars ,

By not understanding how version control works. I’ve worked at places that had a surprising number of developers who would just merge things in ways that drop code from other developers.

siipale ,

Can you give an example how that would happen?

henfredemars ,

It’s pretty straightforward. Merge conflicts? No such thing! Just make my version the next version.

dejected_warp_core ,

Also that’s likely a team that doesn’t use a branching workflow, has poor review on merges, and/or using Git like it’s SVN.

henfredemars ,

How optimistic. At my last workplace I got us to finally stop using zip files for version control. This was at a fortune 500 company.

The utility of software is so great that even terrible processes are still functional to some degree.

dejected_warp_core ,

A times B times C equals X. If X is more than the cost of a failure or security breach, we don’t fix the software.

Are there a lot of these kinds of problems?

You wouldn’t believe.

Which Fortune 500 company do you work for?

A major one.

henfredemars ,

I now work for a small business but in the interest of not getting bitten in the ass I don’t wish to give the name of my previous employer. It was a large defense contractor, but our values didn’t align so I moved on when I found another opportunity to put food on the table. I know that’s not a satisfying answer but I’m here for entertainment value and the opportunity cost might not be worth it. My main point was that even though they have the money they didn’t see the value in good software process.

All the time! We would leave bugs unfixed even if the fix was trivially easy because management felt productive listing it as a cost savings. Software maintenance was seen as a necessary evil.

dejected_warp_core ,

Software maintenance was seen as a necessary evil.

The most important lesson I learned about the economics of software is that sourcecode is always accounted as a liability and not an asset. Accountants will never let you code your way into more value. Everything else you see stems from that truth.

entropicdrift ,
@entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Force push to the master branch or release branch, for one

Sidhean ,

I dunno, but it’d be funny

mryessir ,

Rehire obv.

victorz ,

Good luck with that lol. Who would fall for that.

mryessir ,

Corporate rated this strategy viable

Dampyr ,

Calm down, Satan

pseudo , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend
@pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

That screams: Open you source code and accepted correction !

floofloof ,

It screams made-up internet story.

pseudo ,
@pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

It screams both!

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

It’s an old joke.

cinabongo , to lemmyshitpost in Parfait au pork

Solid food should not be served on a cup

ArmokGoB ,

Mug brownies are amazing. I will die on this hill.

Kusimulkku , to lemmyshitpost in Parfait au pork

Would

mycathas9lives , to lemmyshitpost in Parfait au pork

Throw on some gravy and I’m in!

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

excuse me my pulled pork is not dry

Socsa , to lemmyshitpost in Parfait au pork

This is not uncommon at barbecue joints

Omgboom , to lemmyshitpost in Parfait au pork

I’ve had something similar except it was brisket and it was amazing

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