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MyNameIsRichard , to linux in What is your favourite shell to use
@MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml avatar

Zsh works for me

pezhore ,
@pezhore@lemmy.ml avatar

Plus oh-my-zsh and the powerline 10k theme - this is my go-to shell.

jaykay ,
@jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

Pure theme ftw

unmagical , to memes in The original processor

Why would robots make robots in child form?

Hux ,

Maybe it’s a Grow-bot…

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Same reason I made a child

Incredible foolishness

can ,

I suspect that’s how we all came into this world.

lauha ,

One molecule 3.7 billion years ago found out how to replicate and it’s been down hill ever since.

Viking_Hippie ,
NakariLexfortaine ,

Tight space requirements.

The childbots yearn for the tubes.

DarkCloud ,

Could just be a compact model, the big one could just be stupidly pointing out the obvious to a far more advanced compact model that’s just given a lecture on the history of robotic processors.

The compact advanced model might just be about to say “Very good, I’m glad you were listening”.

giantfloppycock ,

And why must the child-bot be so thicc?

Viking_Hippie ,

Title of your autobiography.

TheOakTree ,

I like to imagine that the childbots are made in the image of the parentbots, and the childbots eventually are tasked with picking out preferred larger parts as a growing rite.

CarbonIceDragon ,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

If they’re calling a brain their original processor, these robots could be a result of successful transhumanism rather than conventional robots, ie, they could be humans that have made themselves into robots, rather than robots built for some specific purpose. In that case, they might create child robots and grow them over time to reproduce, just because they find that mode of reproduction familiar and wish to continue it.

yesman ,

Almost as interesting as a robot who builds a museum.

Viking_Hippie ,

Small hands. Good for thievin’, as the Ravagers say.

Chainweasel , to showerthoughts in Today's date is Dozen/Half Dozen/Two Dozen

Half dozen, dozen, two dozen in the US.
It finally paid off! Today is the day our system makes sense!

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Two dozen, half dozen, dozen in ISO land.

neo2478 ,

Nope Two score and two dozen, half dozen, dozen

olorin99 ,
@olorin99@kbin.earth avatar

64-06-12 ??

toffi ,

Patiently waiting for 2024-12-06 to repost this.

thesystemisdown ,

Biggest to smallest is the only sane format. yyyy-mm-dd h:m:s

DishonestBirb , to linux in anti-snap stance is anti-consumer

That’s stupid. Nothing stops you from just installing regular Ubuntu if you love snaps so much.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Or just installing Snap afterwards

bdonvr , to youshouldknow in YSK: lemmy.ml is managed by tankies, and lead lemmy developer is a tankie

Yeah this is the origin of Lemmy. Reddit banned some far left subreddits years ago and so some Communists went and made Lemmy.

Just block the instance if it bothers you. Jeez.

BarbecueCowboy ,

lemmy.ml was one of the targets in one of the larger reddit migration waves before we found out how heavy handed the censorship was there at the time and there’s a few large communities that cling to it. And, it’s fair, the communities there don’t typically generate anything where they would reasonably expect to be affected, but still if you block the whole instance, you basically just have to go without as there frequently aren’t similar communities to fill the void.

ksynwa ,
@ksynwa@lemmy.ml avatar

lemmy.ml shut down registration during the migration of sweaty reddit nerds.

eldavi ,

this post makes me wish lemmy.world did the same thing

ksynwa ,
@ksynwa@lemmy.ml avatar

As far as I can tell, .world is great for the reddit emigres. There have been disagreements amd drama (as is tradition with online communities especially federated ones) but the instance is doing fine it seems.

BarbecueCowboy ,

If you’re talking about the API blackout, there is evidence that it was broken briefly, but there’s nothing indicating it was purposefully disabled for any reasonable amount of time.

There are even posts from the lemmy.ml admins about how difficult it was dealing with the users who had migrated and how difficult it was to deal with the new users. Maybe you’re talking about a different migration, but I have no idea where you got this idea from.

ksynwa ,
@ksynwa@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t know about this API blackout. I am talking about something else entirely. When Reddit migration was at its peak, registrations on this instance (lemmy.ml). The reason given was that the devs did not want to overwhelm themselves with the abruptly increased administrative and moderation responsibilities. At that time, Lemmy (the software) was facing significant performance issues as well, owing to the fact that that many users had not used Lemmy concurrently before that.

On the other hand, I tried to find the announcement post for this. (I remember one existing.) But I couldn’t. Have I hallicinated an elaborate scenario? I am not sure. Will try to look again.

BarbecueCowboy ,

On the reddit end, the API blackout was probably responsible for the largest reddit migration, around June of last year. It’s the high point for active monthly users for Lemmy on fediverse observer still and we had a lot less lemmy instances then. All those other items would be true beyond turning off signups, there were many conversations about performance issues along with a lot of concerns about moderation.

riskable , to nostupidquestions in What is the equivalent stereotype of 'women should all be homemakers,' for men?
@riskable@programming.dev avatar

Men shouldn’t be allowed near children that aren’t their own. It’s rarely stated but regularly assumed.

xmunk ,

This one fucking sucks… it’s especially awful for us beard havers.

Death_Equity ,

I think it is more of the mustache only crowd that really faces a stigma about being good with kids.

Longpork3 ,

My daughter is a very different skin colour than me. Somehow the worst I’ve encountered to date is an uppity mother who thought I was telling off a random child.

SurpriZe ,

I’m 33 and never seen this IRL. Weird. Only heard people mention it online. Must be that thing that doesn’t actually happen and is only perceived on the web.

waz ,

Before I had a kid, I heard this was a thing, but didn’t really care as I didn’t really have a desire to be around kids. Once I became a father, I realized a lot of people make strange assumptions about men around small humans. Its certainly not most people, but definitely some, and definitely not just online.

otp ,

It’s likely a cultural thing. I’ve noticed it in urban Canada, myself.

A man smiling at a child who looks at him will get glares or weird looks from the parent. A woman smiling at a child who looks at her will be nothing out of the ordinary. The same man is “allowed” to smile at children if he’s with a woman and/or a kid of his own.

exanime ,

Must be that thing that doesn’t actually happen and is only perceived on the web.

By all means, take your own experience into account but don’t fall for this fallacy…

By you own logic, murder must be a myth because it hasn’t happened to you

waz ,

I think you were implying something different, but I feel like I get a ton of odd comments suggesting it’s weird for me to be out with my own kid. Things like “giving mom the day off?” or “what happened to his mom?”.

I had friends complain about this kind of thing before I had kids and I thought that they were exaggerating. Nope, it’s all over the place. It’s certainly not everyone, but it is much more common than I expected.

exanime ,

Things like “giving mom the day off?” or “what happened to his mom?”.

I always hated the “are you babysitting?”

Like NO! These are my fucking kids, I don’t babysit them, I’m parenting

lvxferre , to technology in The level of engagement on Reddit these days
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

In addition to factors already mentioned by other users, I believe that there are also social/cultural reasons for that lack of engagement.

Commenting in Reddit is like stepping on a mine field - no matter how innocuous your comments are, you’re bound to have users there assuming words into your mouth to screech at you. Plus all the “ackshyually”, one-upping, “wah TL;DR!” (i.e. “I’m entitled to an abridged version of what you said, even if you likely spent far more time writing your comment than I would reading it”).

Eventually you say “why bother commenting? Just to get a headache?” and stop commenting altogether.

ALostInquirer ,

Does it sometimes seem like commenting in high traffic online spaces feels this way too, not just Reddit?

lvxferre , (edited )
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Kind of. In most high traffic spaces it feels simply pointless; as in, nobody will read it.

In Reddit (and Twitter) however it feels like people will read it, misread it, and punish you for what you didn’t say.

pbjamm ,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

Before I quit Reddit (when Bacon Reader died) I had already curtailed my commenting because of this. It seemed that any time I tried to make a thoughtful comment on a even slightly contentions subject I ended up in a pointless argument with someone who had poor reading comprehension. It was disheartening to realize that while I was agonizing over every word I put into my comment in an attempt to clearly explain my thought, the same courtesy would not be extended by the people mis-reading it. I started to think people were just scanning comments for keywords to get angry about then telling me that I was ignorant of a subject I knew a great deal about or a reactionary child when I am 50 IRL. Commenting became a burden and it lead to a decline in the quality of conversation as more and more thoughtful commenters found that burden too great.

TachyonTele ,

The same thing happens on Lemmy, unfortunately. A lot of people just want to be keyboard warriors.

GrindingGears ,

It’s actually the mods that did it for me. If you don’t have this really weird super specific but vague world view, and you can’t follow 143 different rules (some not specified), then they start censoring you and temp banning your comments and contributions. The mods on my community sub actually permabanned me when I questioned them on it, instead of discussing it. After that I was like this is infuriating, and I don’t really want to participate here. Problem is, they mod anything related to said topic, like city, province, country, most political parties, quite a few special interest topics, etc. Its super weird behaviour.

TachyonTele ,

It’s also filled with repeat comments. Most posts you read a few top comments and their threads. But then it quickly becomes other people just commenting the same exact thing.

It’s just not worth looking at comments there.

ultratiem OP ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Don’t even get me started on that. I made a post that blew up (7k upvotes) and literally the entire comments section was the same responses. Out of the 100s that replied, only 10% or less were novel.

Zworf ,

Yep this is one of the reasons I kept deleting my account even before the whole spez drama.

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

Don’t forget folks aging bot accounts by downvoting everything they see to generate history.

ultratiem OP ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

I didn’t even know this was a thing lol

DessertStorms , to asklemmy in What is the most unhinged conspiracy theory?
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

I actually think it's those that get so close to the truth, before veering to the right and blaming minorities instead of those who are really to blame (by design of those who are really to blame, of course) - blaming Jews for controlling the banks and the media (it's the obscenely rich), blaming immigrants for poor work conditions/no jobs (it's the obscenely rich), blaming disabled people for being a burden and leeching off the tax payer (it's the obscenely rich), blaming whichever generation is currently in young adulthood for "destroying industries" (it's the obscenely rich), and so on and so on..

I guess they make me angriest because the truth clearly isn't outside of the people who believe the conspiracy's grasp, they'd just rather punch down, solve nothing, but continue to have minor feelings of superiority (which really ties in with the key to all belief in conspiracy theories - "I have special knowledge you don't"), than punch up and actually try to resolve the issues they whine about..

Wes4Humanity ,

And on the liberal side they do the same thing except conservatives are the scape goat. Super frustrating.

DessertStorms , (edited )
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Liberals play along plenty in to the division sown by the ruling class, but lets be fucking clear - conservatives choose to be that way, and are actively and vocally contributing to the problem, unlike Jews, immigrants, disabled people and so on..

Is working class conservative Joe Shmoe responsible for the system and the one who needs to be removed from society? No, they're as much a victim of it (and its brain washing propaganda) as any other working class person, and sure, many liberals fail to see this, but to compare calling out people who choose to actively support open and proud oppressors for their contribution, to scapegoating the people they oppress for existing as who they are, for the problems of society, is fucking gross.

E: seriously, conservatives uphold conservatism - there is no conspiracy. 🤦‍♀️

Wes4Humanity ,

Yeah…I guess I just meant that average liberals tend to blame average conservatives instead of the rich (while average conservatives basically blame everyone who doesn’t conform to their exact ideals instead of the rich).

Not sure I agree that conservatives can both “choose” to be like they are, and also be the victims of their upbringing in a toxic system. These 2 points you made seem to be contradictory.

I agree many liberals fail to see that the average conservative is also a victim of this system, and that conservatives are brainwashed to think what they believe is a good thing.

I don’t think I made the comparison you’re saying I made. I’m sorry it came across that way. Calling out asshole conservatives for being assholes is fine as long as it’s with the understanding that they don’t know any better because the rich have them so brainwashed. And then follow it up by trying to convince them that the rich are the problem, not the immigrants etc. But to stop at blaming average conservatives, without recognizing the rich as the fundamental problem, I think, has the same end result as conservatives blaming everyone that’s even slightly different than them… No one points at the rich.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Not sure I agree that conservatives can both “choose” to be like they are, and also be the victims of their upbringing in a toxic system. These 2 points you made seem to be contradictory.

Not really.

We are all subjected to the same propaganda, yet we're not all conservatives, that's enough to prove that there is choice involved (even if the choices are limited, and opinions externally influenced by and for the ruling class), but more to the point - no one is born conservative, and no one is forced in any way to support one political party or another, political affiliation isn't something someone can't help or control or change, making it a choice, unlike race, gender, sexual orientation, abledness, place and circumstances of birth, and so on, which are not.

Wes4Humanity ,

Technically the choice exists for them… But if they’re never introduced to it can they be expected to know it exists? If every single person in their lives… Their parents, teachers, preachers, everyone they see on TV… Only ever feed them the same crap, and any dissent is not just discouraged, but dangerous. I’m not sure they really CAN choose you know? Now, there is a lot of willful ignorance as well… Don’t get me wrong. And obviously there’s a difference between not knowing you have a choice, and actually not having a choice.

lattrommi ,

Not quite related to the initial post topic, but “Every billionaire, deserves the electric chair.” is a phrase I’ve been spouting for the past few years. I like to think it’s a more extreme version of “Eat The Rich.” but probably not as catchy nor as easy to spraypaint onto stuff.

OpenStars , to asklemmy in Using Google whilst Duck Duck Go is down. How long has Google been this bad?
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

For many years now, almost the only way to find tech-related answers was to add the word “reddit” to your search. Before the Rexodus ofc.

Nowadays a lot of people go straight to where they wanted to find info - Wikipedia, StackOverflow, IMDB, etc. - and search from there.

Google itself has admitted how bad it has gotten, and in response they decided to voluntarily reduce their profits and return everything back to when it all worked… - no I’m just kidding, they said wait a bit and AI will save us all, somehow (from ourselves?).

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Nowadays a lot of people go straight to where they wanted to find info - Wikipedia, StackOverflow, IMDB, etc. - and search from there.

Didn’t people always do this, though? If I want to find something on Wikipedia, why wouldn’t I search on Wikipedia for it? I have Firefox configured so that it searches Wikipedia when I type “wiki” then a space then the search query.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Okay but do you also do that for StackOverflow? And if so, then also for IMDB, and everything else? Google invested heavy effort to get people to not even remember or bookmark URLs - simply type “Wikipedia” into the bar and it would do a quick search to translate that into something, perhaps www.wikipedia.org or even en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page. Later, browsers started allowing other ways like searching through your locally stored bookmarks, but that doesn’t change how Google pushed heavily and first towards being your one-stop place to find what you want just by thinking about it and typing a word or two. Their summaries of movies I find far superior to IMDB, and even to Wikipedia, if all I want is like the most famous movie or two from a particular actor/actress to think - “oh, that’s where I know them from!”

You resisted that trend, which was inefficient, and introduced another dependency of Google to something that did not need it in the chain of finding results that you expected to be found on Wikipedia, so good on you. But not everyone did that.

Likewise, adding “Reddit” to a query added another purpose: if you knew you wanted a search result from Reddit specifically, then finding it via Google was far easier than trying to use Reddit’s internal search, which remains extremely poorly implemented. A lot of places use Google searches internally, and if not then they rely on Google externally, to help find content in them. And why not, bc Google “wasn’t evil”, unlike e.g. Microsoft or questionably (at the time) Apple? So bc everything tied back to Google regardless, why not get the full Google experience? Or so I imagine the thinking went.

But no, I don’t think “people” meaning “everyone” already went straight to where they wanted to search, and even those of us who did (I also most often went straight to Wikipedia, depending on what I was searching for, bc it has fairly good internal search capabilities) did not do it for everything or even perhaps for most things - the latter measured as width of categorizations as in breadth of variety of info - even if not numerically as in “most searches performed”. Google was extremely prominent and central for most people, especially those who did not think about how prominent and central it had become.

TenderfootGungi ,

Nope. People Google everything. Want to visit Amazon? Most people Google Amazon to get there. URL bars that search are handy but likely emphasize this behavior.

TheAlbatross , to asklemmy in What is the point of cruel and deadly border policies if employers could just be penalized for hiring unauthorized labor all along?

Cruelty is the point, my friend. The sooner you realize that, the more sense it makes

Nemo ,

Why penalize the ownership class when you can stomp on the underclass instead?

big fucking /s

CrimeDad OP ,

I’m sympathetic to this idea, but I feel like the cruelty has to be part of a means to an end, perhaps to discipline the labor that does make it through in order to benefit the employing class.

rimu ,
@rimu@piefed.social avatar

You're looking for meaning where there is none. Fascism does not want to make sense, it very intentionally rejects reason and logic. To fascists, force and power is the only real politics. Few people really grasp how deep the nihilism of it is.

The chaos is an end in itself.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

There’s a sort of twisted reason, though. Fascists need a manufactured enemy to whom they can attribute blame for society’s ills – in this case, the myth of a “border crisis.” It’s sadly effective too, and somewhere around 70% of right-wingers in the US believe it, many of whom are so ignorant they don’t realize they’re complicit in bolstering fascism.

drq ,
@drq@mastodon.ml avatar

@rimu I don't think it's without reason though.

Don't forget that fascism is what capitalism degenerates into.

So, follow the money, seek the ones who profit. Fascists themselves are irrelevant, they are basically useful idiots. Look out for those who feed those idiots.

@CrimeDad

shapesandstuff ,

Posturing to be working hard on a solution. One that drives well with far right voters who hate foreigners.

The alternative of working on the cause instead of the symptom would put pressure on wealthy business owners and look like overreach to those voters.

HungryJerboa ,

It’s simply part of an effort to impose moral beliefs on a world that to them, appears to work without them. Bringing order to chaos. Kind of like the Christian beliefs underpinning such cruelty.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Cruelty is not the point. Such dead end thinking solves nothing. It’s about power and influence

MossyFeathers ,

…which is why cruelty is the point. They’re getting pleasure out of hurting others. Their pleasure from torment might not be the “true” motivator - I highly doubt the people making these decisions are cackling to themselves like a comic book supervillain while coming up with novel ways of hurting people (though their brainwashed underlings might) - but they get pleasure from power and control, and are willing to pursue it at all cost, which means they do things that are cruel in order to maintain it.

To put it simply, they get pleasure from power and control, which comes at the cost of hurting others. The result is that while cruelty might not literally be the point, cruelty is the end result.

shapesandstuff ,

I’d argue it’s less about personal pleasure of the act and more about driving votes by perpetuating an agenda that keeps the lower classes kicking down.

TokenBoomer ,

Zero sum, the only game in town.

horsey ,

That’s just a side benefit. The real purpose is money and control.

neidu2 , to linux in Mint is up and running!

Again: Hallelujah, another soul saved!

So now it’s basically down to this: Keep using it for whatever you would normally do in windows. And if you’re having issues, try to sort it out.

And then one day you’ll suddenly realize how long it’s been without Windows, and that you don’t really see a reason for going back any time soon.

MintyFresh OP ,

I went for it, kept what I wanted on an external hard drive and nuked the rest. No ragrets

jjlinux ,
@jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

Welcome to freedom and perfect mental health.

The best part will be never having to download an exe or msi file to get stuff to work. Just look for the software you want, install, have at it.

I’m sorry, it just brings me so much joy when I read stories like this one.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

perfect mental health.

JFC dude, seriously?

The best part will be never having to download an exe or msi file to get stuff to work.

LOL Because Googling a website, clicking the download button, and clicking “next” on the installer is so much harder than compiling from source code or trying to figure out how to install one of the 34 different Linux filetypes…

Grunt4019 ,

Most people just use a package manager the vast vast majority of time. People don’t typically compile from source or figure out different file types.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

That’s great if the package manager has the software you’re looking for. Which is 50/50 in my experience.

jjlinux ,
@jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

Makes me wonder what the heck it is that is not what you want/need 50% of the time. Must be a pretty peculiar set of software.

LeFantome ,

Well, it all comes down to distro when it comes to package selections and availability.

I can say though that in the last year or so I have found 100% of the software I needed in the repositories and that includes at least a dozen proprietary applications ( including some that require registration and / or licensing such as Burp Suite Pro and JetBrains Rider ).

Everything I have installed came to me in the same package format ( or was automatically converted to it by the package management tooling - all the same to me ). A single command updates everything.

That is without resorting to Flatpak which I am sure provides a pretty good selection to other distros as well ( at the cost of a second package format ).

msage ,

I did have to compile Wifi dongle driver, since I moved and didn’t have cable in my work room. That was annoying as hell.

At first I thought I missed a driver in kernel compilation, but then my SO had the same issue in Mint. Luckily I was prepared.

But yeah, I have more sanity with Gentoo than I ever did with Windows. The other commenter probably hasn’t used Linux or something.

jjlinux ,
@jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

1 script, 36 package apps plus 31 FlatPaks installed in one command. Any other thing I need or want, it’s just there via CLI or any program installer such as Discover.

Having said that, and being positive that over 90% of any Linux Distro users would be dumbfounded by reading your comment, I choose to assume you’re just trolling and let you be moving forward. Have fun googling crap in Windows.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Right. If anyone has a different experience than you, they must be trolling… 🙄

jjlinux ,
@jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

Correct.

shortwavesurfer , to asklemmy in Would you support a mandatory retirement age of 75 for US House, US Senate & US Supreme Court Justices and if not why?

No, because I would lower even further to 65.

Makhno ,

Shit I’d go even lower. Gotta be young enough to have some skin in the game when it comes to the consequences of legislation, etc.

shortwavesurfer ,

Fair enough, you’re less likely to vote for shit policies if you know that you’re going to be living with them. And even if you do vote for shit policies and end up living with them, it was entirely your damn fault. And you just brought it on yourself.

Vodica ,

+1

Godort , to mildlyinfuriating in Corporate astroturfing is the norm

The only use reviews have is to make sure that the app youre downloading is most likely the original and not a malicious lookalike.

Artificial content has poisoned the web to the point that adding “reddit” to the end of google searches so that you could get real human content was commonplace.

I miss the days where you had to learn HTML if you wanted to share your opinions online.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

adding “reddit” to the end of google search

As if there’s no astroturfing on Reddit :) there’s plenty of companies in the comments there, posts promoting particular brands or products that get to the front page, etc.

Godort ,

Its especially bad these days to the point where im not even sure how to find good results anymore, but 5 years ago things were much better (or at least astroturfing was way less common).

JakenVeina , to nostupidquestions in Why don't computers have "computer-numbers" equivalent to phone numbers

They do, it’s called an IP address.

Phones get numbers assigned to them by a cell service provider, in order to communicate on their network, which is basically the exact process for computers and IP addresses.

If you’re asking about the equivalent of like a SIM card, in the computer/internet world, that’s handled at higher layers, by digital certificates. And again, the process is almost exactly the same, except they don’t (usually) get put on physical chips.

henfredemars ,

IP address is really the best comparison here. Some computers share an IP just like entire call centers may share the same phone number. And neither IP addresses and packets nor phone numbers are properly authenticated without additional enforcement systems.

Internal networks exist for computers and phones. It’s a nice parallel.

JesterIzDead ,

No, computers can’t share IPs

IHateReddit ,

They can share the same router and therefore have the same public IP.

JesterIzDead ,

Yes, but no. The public IP is that of the router, which NATs packets to each host, each of which must have a unique private IP. The public IP does not reference or identity hosts behind the router.

lemmyng ,
@lemmyng@lemmy.ca avatar

A phone number does not uniquely identify a phone either.

lemmyng ,
@lemmyng@lemmy.ca avatar

Sure they can. If you put a network behind a router they will share an egress/ingress IP. And there are certain high availability setups where computers share IPs in the same subnet for hot/standby failover.

JesterIzDead ,

Yes, but no. The public IP is that of the router, which NATs packets to each host, each of which must have a unique private IP. The public IP does not reference or identity hosts behind the router. And that’s not how HA works. Only one host is assigned the active IP at one time.

lemmyng ,
@lemmyng@lemmy.ca avatar

When you do call routing with a PBX each phone has an unique extension, equivalent to the private IP of each host.

Oh, and there’s also anycast, which is literally multiple active devices sharing an IP.

JesterIzDead ,

You’d have to know more about BGP to know any cast doesn’t function as you think it does

lemmyng ,
@lemmyng@lemmy.ca avatar

Ah, I see we are resorting to ad hominem attacks now.

JesterIzDead ,

lol ok sally

800XL ,

Except you can spoof an IP address or get another one from the ISP just by asking. You can spoof a MAC address too.

Intel introduced unique processor id’s back in the late 90s.

lemmyng ,
@lemmyng@lemmy.ca avatar

Phone numbers can be spoofed, and SIM cards can be cloned. The analogy stands.

jeffhykin OP , (edited )

Cell phones don’t get a new phone number every time they switch cell towers, so why do laptops.

Its not like I can write down the IP address of my friends laptop so I can send it a message once he gets to a new city. Right?

lemmyng ,
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Laptops don’t get a new IP address every time they switch from one AP to another in the same network either. Your cell phone will get a new IP address if it switches to a different cell network.

jeffhykin OP ,

I can get VOIP calls behind a NAT without cell service. I’m asking how is that possible. Is the router somehow part of the same AP as cell service?

lemmyng ,
@lemmyng@lemmy.ca avatar

Whoa, that’s a sizeable edit to the post! Regardless the answer is pretty straightforward: your VOIP client (either the device if you have one or the software) is connected to a VOIP service which acts like a gateway for your client. Since the client initiated the connection to the gateway and is keeping it alive, you don’t need to make any network changes. Once the connection is established, standard SIP call flows (you can Google that for flow diagrams) are followed.

So no, you router is not part of the cell service. The VOIP provider is part of a phone service that receives calls and routes them for you, just like the cell towers are part of a telephony provider that routes calls through the appropriate tower.

jeffhykin OP , (edited )

Finally :D thank you so much!

So basically VOIP is “cheating” because its not actually handled by the network directly, the phone company pays for always-online servers, and phone(s) reach out to those server every time they change networks, in order for servers to be able to route calls to them.

Which also means! it is possible to do the same thing for computers, but it requires having

  1. A static IP
  2. An always online server
  3. The device needs a daemon that tries to connect to an always online server, and authenticates itself
  4. That server needs to manually reroute traffic (through a VPN or some other means) from the static IP address to the device, wherever it might be

Which also explains why general network providers wouldn’t want to create the infrastructure. Even if universal addresses were given to each device, which simplifies DHCP and address-leasing, and shortens time it takes to handshake with the network, all of that is less of a cost than the infrastructure needed track of devices as they change networks. (And that’s on top of ISP’s being slow to change from the legacy approach of local networks and desktops).

^ which is more the conversation I wanted to have but didnt really get with this post.

Thats a sizable edit!

Yeah 😅 I didnt want it to be this complicated of a question, but I didnt see how else to explain that current addressing systems don’t meet the same need as a phone number.

lemmyng ,
@lemmyng@lemmy.ca avatar
  1. A static IP is actually not necessary, but what you need is a consistent identifier. For the server, that’s typically a DNS address, but for clients and peer to peer networks there’s other ways to identify devices, usually tied to an account or some other key kept on the device.
  2. For centralised communications yes, you would need an always online server. For decentralised networks, you just need a sufficient amount of online peers, but each individual peer does not need to be always online.
  3. Pretty much, yes. Even push notifications on cell phones work this way.
  4. Route, yes. Manually. VPN is usually not necessary. In modern web-based services this is typically done with websockets, which are client-initiated (so the client address can change), and which allow two-way communication and typically only require a keepalive packet from the client every minute or so.

There’s other reasons why universal addressing is not done - privacy, network segmentation, resiliency, security, etc. And while IPv6 proponents do like to claim that local networks wouldn’t be strictly necessary (which is technically true), local networks will still be wanted by many. Tying this back to phone numbers - phone numbers work because there’s an implicit trust in the telcos, and conversely there’s built in central control. It also helps that it’s only a very domain specific implementation - phone communication specifications don’t change very often. On computer networks, a lot of work has been done to reduce the reliance on a central trust authority. Nowadays, DNS and SSL registries are pretty much the last bastion of such an authority, with a lot of research and work having gone into being able to safely communicate through untrusted layers: GPG, TOR, IPFS, TLS, etc.

SchmidtGenetics ,

Its not like I can write down the IP address of my friends laptop so I can send it a message once he gets to a new city.

With static IPs that’s possible, but you already do that when you email them already.

JakenVeina ,

Main difference there being that switching cities means probably switching ISPs. You can absolutely carry over your IP address when you move between the same provider, if that’s part of your service plan, and that may well happen with some ISPs even without it being part of your plan. There just isn’t really much of a need for people to carry a static IP, except for some businesses, and I’d say the main reason is that people don’t visit websites by memorizing and typing in an IP. They do memorize and type in phone numbers.

henfredemars , to selfhosted in How much maintenance do you find your self-hosting involves?

Huge amounts of daily maintenance because I lack self control and keep changing things that were previously working.

avidamoeba , (edited )
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scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

highly recommend doing infrastructure-as-code, it makes it really easy to git commit and save a previously working state, so you can backtrack when something goes wrong

Kaldo ,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

Got any decent guides on how to do it? I guess a docker compose file can do most of the work there, not sure about volume backups and other dependencies in the OS.

kernelle ,

Sorry I replied to the parent comment, but check out Ansible

Kaldo ,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

Oh I think i tried at one point and when the guide started talking about inventory, playbooks and hosts in the first step it broke me a little xd

kernelle ,

I get it, the inventory is just a list of all servers and PC you are trying to manage and the playbooks contain every step you would take if you would configure everything manually.

I’ll be honest when you first set it up it’s daunting but that’s the thing! You only need to do it once, then you can deploy and redeploy anything you have in minutes.

Edit: found this useful resource

kernelle ,

Ansible is great for this!

webhead ,
@webhead@lemmy.world avatar

I have weekly backups of my VMs in Proxmox. Fuck it lol.

SeeJayEmm ,
@SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org avatar

Nightly backups to a repurposed qnap running pbs. I’m fully aware it’s overkill but it gives me some peace of mind.

webhead ,
@webhead@lemmy.world avatar

I opted weekly so I could store longer time periods. If I want to go a month back I just need 4 instead of 30. At least that was the main Idea. I’ve definitely realized I fucked something up weeks ago without noticing before lol.

SeeJayEmm ,
@SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org avatar

I’ve got PBS setup to keep 7 daily backups and 4 weekly backups. I used to have it retaining multiple monthly backups but realized I never need those and since I sync my backups volume to B2 it was costing me $$.

What I need to do is shop around for a storage VM in the cloud that I could install PBS on. Then I could have more granular control over what’s synced instead the current all-or-nothing approach. I just don’t think I’m going to find something that comes in at B2 pricing and reliability.

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