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200ok , to asklemmy in Why is there a surge of deodorant products mostly advertised to women in the US?

You guys are seeing ads?

NineMileTower ,

Hey, guys, check this out! This guy doesn’t see ads ever. He must be super smart and cool!

Blizzard ,

You don’t need to be super smart to use an adblocker, you just need to be relatively smart and have some selfrespect. He’s definitely cool, though.

200ok ,

My mom says I’m cool 😎

christian ,
@christian@lemmy.ml avatar

I use an adblocker, but I also drive a very old car and unfortunately my cd player just broke. I can confirm that there are tons of vaginal deodorant ads on the radio, always presented as a conversation between two women. There’s no intention to be funny, they’re trying to sound like a natural conversation two women would have in private and completely failing at coming across as anything short of awkward.

“So it works well for you?” “Yes! It lasts up to 24 hours, and four out of five gynecologists recommend it!”

200ok ,

Good point re:radio.

I can’t imagine the conversation between the client and the ad agency in these cases.

MutilationWave OP ,

Believe it or not I watch regular TV! I travel for work constantly and I have TV on in the hotel room. It makes me feel less lonely. That’s how I’m seeing these ads. On my PCs it’s Firefox+ublock origin.

nick ,

Same here brother. When im on the road, its ads for dick pills and antidepressants on tv for days

neidu2 ,

Greetings, fellow traveler. May I ask what is your line of work?

MutilationWave OP ,

I’ve already been overly specific on this account and I don’t want to get doxxed. I install and service computer networks of a certain kind.

neidu2 ,

Reasonable enough. I do something like that myself. When a piece of remote and highly specialized computer system shuts itself, I’m the one who flies in to fix it, in addition to the occasional mobilization and servicing.

200ok ,

Ahh, that makes sense, definitely.

nick ,

Actually traveling today. Watching tv and three minutes in it’s an ad for female all body deodorant. Christ.

Zeppo ,
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

Why not just play videos on your computer?

MutilationWave OP ,

TV is constant background noise that I don’t have to pick.

Zeppo ,
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

The problem for me is the blaring, irritating, repetitive ads. I guess anything without that would be fine.

MutilationWave OP ,

Part of the background noise really. I grew up with it so I’m used to it. I’m not really watchig the thing anyway, it’s just background noise while I do other shit. When it comes to PC, or something I’m actively watching, I don’t do ads at all.

paddirn , to showerthoughts in It would be terrifying if it were to actually start raining men.

It’d go very quickly from “It’s Raining Men” to “Let the bodies hit the floor”.

TheHottub OP ,
@TheHottub@lemmy.world avatar

Lol. I want to see a short 15 minute serious horror drama movie about this happening. Having the song playing ironically as all hell breaks loose.

Jesus_666 ,

Or an action movie with a fight scene aboard a transport airplane with people getting tossed out of the loading door. Cut to action on the ground with them impacting in sync with the music.

EssentialCoffee ,

Just watch video footage from 9/11 while the song is playing.

Tagger ,

Too soon

Amputret ,
@Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Hmm, it has been 22.3 years though. Shouldn’t it be funny now?

sicarius ,
TheHottub OP ,
@TheHottub@lemmy.world avatar

Lol I like the macho man in there

sicarius ,

I think he’s in every dj cumberbund song.

nailingjello ,

I figured those two songs were based on the same event.

Rhynoplaz , to nostupidquestions in How does the day-to-day work of not wearing shoes in the house?

I can’t imagine sitting on my couch with shoes on.

z00s , to asklemmy in To everyone who hates the concepts of landlords and rent, what counts as being a landlord?

If you are engaging with housing as an investment vehicle, you are part of the reason why there is a global housing crisis.

Housing is a human right and should be legislated as such.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

I own a flat that I rent out to people who make similar amounts of money as I do.

That allows me to take a lower paid job that allows me to do more open source work.

I agree with your second paragraph.

Thorry84 ,

And coal plants provide power and heat to millions of people, that doesn’t make it right. The ends do not justify the means.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m renting to people who rent as a convenience, not because they can’t afford to buy a flat. I offered them decreased rent during COVID and they declined.

SkippingRelax ,

No no no you don’t understand you are just stealing from them even if they don’t want to buy. Everyone must have a house, there should be no landlords nor renters. /s

gusgalarnyk ,

You are forming your opinion on a statistical anomaly worth of experiences. The reality is rent is priced fixed by very few algorithms - all of which by their nature drive the prices higher every year.

You are renting to people who choose to rent, the vast majority don’t get to choose. And even if they choose to rent, that’s because owning is too expensive in their eyes (money or time or paperwork or otherwise) - it does not mean they wouldn’t want to own if the cost was lower.

I can’t imagine anyone declining reduced costs unless phrased poorly or out of guilt.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

I think the situation is different in different countries.

The assumption in your last last paragraph is very likely incorrect, I asked them outright if they wanted one and they said no, they’re software developers and warming pretty well in their cushy home office, thank you very much.

gusgalarnyk ,

I think the scenario I described applies to most Western countries.

Congrats on having rich renters then. If they’re wealthy enough to not take reduced rent then they are likely not your countries average renter.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

They’re probably not. They might be pretty average for the region though.

SkippingRelax ,

The electronic device you used for typing all that crap? Probably slave labour. That’s before looking at the power you wasted to do so, and it’s origin. Virtue signalling much?

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

Haha I would really like the thought process of the person who downvoted you. Maybe “since I’m forced to live in an immoral system, I can’t live a perfectly moral life and having a phone is OK. But going one iota beyond what I do is immoral”

IDK. I wouldn’t have posted if I wouldn’t have wanted to read people disagreeing with my assessment of the morality of what I do. But I was probably wrong to hope for a more nuanced criticism that actually tries to engage with my arguments instead of just knee-jerk downvoting.

SkippingRelax ,

There are a few hot topics on lemmy and this is one of them. I think you did a good thing, I found that interesting and that’s what I came to this thread for.

I dislike speculation on housing but appreciate there are many reasons why someone becomes a land lord, and I have been the person renting from someone like you when I could afford to buy. I just knew I wasn’t going to stay in that city, I was getting a good service and am happy for what I paid for. And for how carefree that period of my life was.

Tankies are not known for appreciating nuances tho.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

I think it’s hard to morally judge if it’s good or not. I don’t know who would have bought it if not for me: some faceless rent extraction company who keep increasing rent at the maximum legal rate? Or (unlikely in that spot, but possible) a couple who would live there?

As it is now, there’s a couple living there. Software engineers who already said they’ll move on soonish because they think Berlin is cooler. They pay below average rent and the one time something broke, I simply sent a repair person ASAP. Not really people I feel I’m taking advantage of.

SkippingRelax ,

I think there can be some middle ground. Obviously speculation is pushing up both rent prices and the cost/availability of houses to buy. There are some interesting options, I like the idea to only allow residential property to be bought by physical persons - regardless of whether that’s for living in it or as an investment it would put a damper on prices sky-rocketing.

Corporations trust funds and so on can still go mad on commercial property. Offices, malls and warehouse are not a necessity and let the market decide, I think that could be a win win. Feasibility of this in various countries would obviously vary but I’m sure something can be done.

I’ve also seen suggestions aroud limiting the number of properties one can buy/own. Interesting but more complicated to enforce and IMO not needed.

SkippingRelax ,

This is lemmy. You are no better than musk or bezos for doing that you filthy capitalist.

You should do you open source work hungry, naked and in the cold while someone is whipping you. Like all the virtuous 14yo tankies that are downvoting you certainly do.

/s in case it’s needed

___ ,

So you’re not working and collecting money for it so that you have more free time to yourself that you use for your own personal interests.

You then make sure the people you rent to don’t have that free time, and raise the overall property prices by taking an available unit off the market.

Got it.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

Nope, that’s very much not correct lol. I’m working. It’s just that you don’t find jobs that pay super much for open source work.

And the people renting my apartment are DINKs, they have a lot of choice about how much free time they have.

No idea about the market price thing. But I’m going to assume you got that wrong too, since the rest of your comment was baseless speculation.

___ ,

That’s nice you rationalize it. The damage you’re doing is minimal, so don’t worry about the avalanche snowflake.

I understand you’re working, but you’re not working as much as the people you rent to (at a minimum to make up for the rent). They may have the means and not feel the impact, but that doesn’t change the math.

The market is based on supply and demand. You reduce supply, therefore increase demand. More demand equals higher prices.

Seeing as how you lack the basic understanding of these concepts, yet respond with arrogance, I won’t bother replying anymore.

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

I am working as much as the people I rent to. I’m just working a job that generates more value for the public and less value for the company than a comparable job that I could get elsewhere. Therefore they pay me less than if I would work exclusively for some company’s bottom line.

___ , (edited )

Fine, I’ll bite.

I’m one of the privileged who own a home which doubled in value over the last three years. I have enough free cash flow to buy a second or third rental property. I’ve contemplated it, and even though me and my family would be better off because of it, I refuse to.

I have friends who do so, and I’m not running to chop off their heads. People are born into this system and personally benefit from it, so they don’t question it.

The housing system is a wealth cheat code that needs reform. We’re heading towards something similar to the Chinese ghost cities where wealthy individuals use land as a bank due to the volatility of other financial instruments. Look at the occupancy rate of the numerous NYC skyscrapers that all popped up at lightning speed before this whole market was projected to inflate in value. People own these and other “investments” completely empty to hold value. Most are unrented.

It boils down to the personal freedom that wealth affords. You have more freedom to accept less compensation because you own land. You support public infrastructure, which is commendable, but you have that privilege on the backs of others. You’re not alone, and the law promotes this behavior. It’s like you’ve drilled another hole in society’s boat, but you bucket back the water to compensate. The boat is still sinking on the whole as not everyone uses their time generously.

There are other ways to add value to society that provide passive income that don’t have the same negative consequences (that we’ve identified anyway). You’re acting as a rational actor playing by the rules; those rules just happen to be broken.

Thanks for contributing to the record of public code that will benefit society. I just hope we won’t need these harmful wealth loopholes in the future to afford you (or anyone else) that comfort.

intensely_human ,

The reason there’s a global housing crisis is government ultimately controls the throttle on new housing development, and government always allows less than the demand.

Our supply doesn’t match our demand and the problem is getting worse as populations increase.

For example, there are countless places where an apartment building would be more profitable than a new house, but zoning density restrictions force people to either build a house or nothing.

cheesymoonshadow ,
@cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world avatar

I recently did some research on this stuff for a school project and found pretty much the same thing. Also came across Houston as an example of a city where zoning is mixed and the laws are very loose, and it seems to work itself out just fine.

HauntedCupcake ,

The UK has some of the worst housing issues in Europe, yet the amount of houses (dwellings) per person has slightly increased since 2001

21,210,000÷59,113,0000=0.35 Houses per person in 2001

24,930,000÷67,350,695=0.37 Houses per person in 2021

Yet rents and house prices have absolutely skyrocketed. Supply exceeds demand, it’s just greed, long term empty investment properties and government inaction.

Sources gov.uk/…/dwelling-stock-estimates-england-31-marc…www.ons.gov.uk/…/2020#the-uks-population-continue…

intensely_human ,

That’s really interesting, thanks.

z00s ,

It’s not just about new housing though, it’s also about fiscal policy which makes housing a more attractive investment vehicle through things like negative gearing and capital gains tax minimization than other things such as the stock market; the result is that prices are artificially inflated and you create a “renter class” who can no longer afford to buy, ever. Right now we’re financing Boomers’ retirements.

The question is, will the politicians have the political balls to fix it once the boomers have died off, or will they just let the profit roll on down through the generations, ultimately letting birth be the sole determiner of your societal class in life?

Mouselemming , to nostupidquestions in Why do people around me tend to increase their responsibility load (i.e. have children, become a manager, do charity, etc.) while I (30M) try to avoid it as much as I can?

As long as you feel you want to avoid responsibilities, please do so in a responsible way. Use condoms every time, and don’t get involved with a person who wants children. Be a good support-player at work so your manager doesn’t have to be a bitch (they still might, in which case support your coworkers). And contribute in low-effort ways like donating an occasional pint of blood if you’re eligible, or offering to put someone else’s cart away at the grocery store. Just being a decent person is enough.

eksb , to asklemmy in Jobs that I can study while doing?
@eksb@programming.dev avatar

Boeing QA department

The_Che_Banana ,

Good one!

DaCrazyJamez ,

Or be a unicorn breeder, because that job also exists.

Moogosa , to technology in How do I block all meme communities on lemmy?

Subscribe to the communities you enjoy, and change default view to subscriptions instead of all. At least that’s what I do.

AlternateRoute ,

This, the all feed is a stream of garbage,porn and spam at times.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

where is all that porn people keep warning me about?

my all feed has some garbage but its squeaky clean garbage.

Volkditty ,

Go to your settings, you probably have NSFW filtering on.

rustyfish , to asklemmy in Wife's out of town for the weekend and I want to get into some debauchery, any suggestions?
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Sleep on her side of the bed. Then don’t tell her what you did.

GregorTacTac ,
@GregorTacTac@lemm.ee avatar

This is some next-level chaos.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

She’ll know. The smell. Also the breadcrumbs.

SadLuther ,

And bits of dried pizza cheese.

sodalite , to showerthoughts in I've noticed my boomer parents using instagram and tiktok. I can't tell you how excited I am for them to kill those platforms like they did facebook.

once the boomers get there and start liking it, that’s when you know it’s about to reach peak and crash hard. my parents are talking about reddit. case in point.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

In contrast to the others, Reddit decided to kill itself off before most Boomers have even heard of it:-).

sodalite ,

lol you right

Kabloink ,

Hey now, a lot of us boomers are already on Lemmy.

EtherWhack ,
@EtherWhack@lemmy.world avatar

The responsible ones.

I hope…

Daft_ish OP ,

The boomers I know haven’t found reddit yet so there is still time. It’s not that boomers are on a platform, it’s when boomers like my parents get there that shit starts to spiral out.

Ragnarok314159 ,

There are a lot of Boomers trickling into Reddit, and they are killing it even faster with mass reporting people.

They go into subs that shit on Boomers for being themselves, and since Reddit hands out site bans for anything now it ends up destroying a lot of accounts.

I really hope they never find Lemmy.

SlapnutsGT ,

My boomer dad has been on Reddit for years. But he just looks at football and fishing subreddits.

Misconduct ,

They’ve been there. So have gen x and millennials and obviously gen z. Y’all are so petty lol

PP_BOY_ , to showerthoughts in The existence of Sloths implies the existence Wraths, Lusts, Gluttonies, Prides, Envies, and Greeds.
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

I think most of them live in Congress

loudWaterEnjoyer ,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Hahaha fuck politcians amirite guys???

usualsuspect191 ,

Yes, but unironically

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Al Franken is one sexy motherfucker…

loudWaterEnjoyer ,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

We don’t call 911 out here boy

OsaErisXero ,

I actually prefer irony for this one

afraid_of_zombies ,

Seems only fair to return the favor.

alcoholicorn , to piracy in On civil disobedience

Reminder: Civil Disobedience (like any demonstration) requires you plan for and control the way the media covers it and have a target audience and desired response from them.

If you’re just getting yourself and others arrested/fined so some people who already agree with you can read about it on some blog, you’re doing the fed’s job.

dillekant OP , (edited )

+1. I was giving an example but you really need everyone involved to sit down and think through the way things are going to work. Every successful act of civil disobedience is thoroughly planned out.

pelletbucket ,

effective civil disobedience requires that. just because the thing isn’t effective doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

klisurovi4 , to asklemmy in What Are Some Things You Regret Buying or Bought but Never Used?

I bought a Steam Deck so I can play games while on the go. I just kind of forgot I’m never actually on the go, so 90% of the time it’s just gathering dust on my nightstand, because I’d rather play on my proper gaming PC when I’m at home.

flubba86 ,

This is the same reason I’ve never bought one. I love the concept, they are so cool. I use Linux on my desktop at home and at work. The thought of a powerful handheld Linux gaming PC for gaming on the go is so enticing, and I want to support Valve and the development of proton and gaming on Linux. But in reality I’m rarely “on the go”. I read articles on my phone when I’m on the train on my way to work. I watch videos on my android tablet when I’m flying on a plane for work. I have a Nintendo 3DS and an ODroid Go Ultra ARM emulation handheld gathering dust on my nightstand. I’d hate the thought of adding a steamdeck to the pile.

MrVilliam ,

I think you’re making the right call. I bought a used Steam Deck and I love it and don’t regret it at all, but I think I’m more of the target demographic than you are. I built a PC 15 years ago when Windows 7 was launching and then upgraded it a few years later, and then replaced that with a gaming laptop that’s now very outdated. I’m sorta kinda tech savvy; a fucking doofus compared to somebody like you but a goddamn genius compared to most people I meet.

The Steam Deck proved to me that if/when I build a desktop, (and I want that to be soon but I keep getting surprise expenses lol,) then I’m ready to jump over to Linux as my OS. I was thinking Chimera for something that could effectively be a powerful modern Steam Machine with UI similar to Steam Deck, but Nobara looks more versatile for being a full PC instead of being a console that has PC capability. I have more faith in Nobara to be able to run a big project in a DAW like Reaper, plus I want the ability to stream on Twitch or do some basic video editing too, and it seems to be pretty accessible to a long-time medium-level Windows user like me.

Right now, most of my Steam Deck use is on the couch. My wife never really tried Skyrim, so she’s playing a file on the PS5 and I lay my head in her lap on the couch and play a different Skyrim file on the Deck. But I also play it on a train or take it with me when I go somewhere overnight. It can’t keep up with a modern PC or PS5, but it blows me away that it’s a handheld PC that’s about as powerful as a PS4. People bitch about the battery, but tweaking a few simple sliders can double or even triple battery life with relatively little compromise. It’s amazing but it’s a waste of your time and money lol.

Zoot ,
@Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

I had the opposite happen. I thought a steam deck may help me be more on the go as well, however it just helped me be even lazier in bed…

Poiar ,

I purchased it purely as an all-in-one indie game player for the television, that had a nice form factor. Was easy to connect with controllers, and relatively high-end.

I don’t really like playing on it’s joysticks and buttons, but that doesn’t matter when I only really use it docked.

It’s nice with a relatively high-end console when on the go. I usually bring a controller along for this, though.

It was expensive, but performs exactly as advertised.

ColeSloth ,

I use my steam deck because I want to play on the couch or in bed or something and I can just instantly start playing when I pick it up. I’ll leave it suspended in a game, so I hit the power button and 2 seconds later I’m back to playing.

InputZero ,

I just got one and deciding to get one is very situational. I’ll sit outside with my dog for hours and I can’t bring my desktop outside. For me it’s been great. I wouldn’t recommend one to someone unless they know when they’ll use it.

I thought I’d use it commuting too, but I don’t. It’s just a little too awkward to bring on my commute.

Unforeseen ,

Same thing here, but I bought it when winter was coming. I’m nomadic during the warm season so the true test for me will be when that happens.

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

I almost never use mine on the go, but I love it for playing on the couch or in a hammock.

Churbleyimyam ,

I got a switch to play games in bed but it pisses off my girlfriend.

then_three_more , to nostupidquestions in If we can ban trans medical procedures, why haven't we banned circumcision?

I’ve never understood the American obsession with MGM (male genital mutilation). But it seems that a large percentage of your population has had it done. So from an outsider perspective it seems like it must be a cultural thing to your country. So for laws to exist that ban it (or at least make it harder to authorise) you’d first need a cultural shift, then. Enough political will for laws to be passed.

dangblingus ,

It really isn’t cultural. In the early 1900s, William Kellogg (of Kellogg’s) was a puritanical Christian. He hated the idea of masturbation more than anything, so he created Corn Flakes to be a cereal so bland it would kill your libido and prevent you from masturbating. He also was a proponent of circumcision as a means of preventing masturbation because it would make the penis too tight that stroking it would be painful. Americans bought into his propaganda that circumcised penises are “cleaner” and then it just became “well, I’m circumcised, and my son’s penis should look like mine!”

No one said that the average American was intelligent.

then_three_more ,

Sounds pretty cultural to me, something that’s persisted for a hundred and twenty years (What’s that a quarter of your country’s history?) based on an over religious ideal and pushed by a capitalist.

dangblingus ,

I consider “culture” to have a deeper meaning to a population, at least moreso than “my dick’s cut, so my kid’s gonna have a cut dick because I’m not aware of basic hygiene practices!”

Schadrach ,

“my dick’s cut, so my kid’s gonna have a cut dick

Change the sex and genitalia in question, and this is basically what drives FGM. It’s mostly women who had it done to them that drive the practice forward. That’s how traditional practices work in general - you repeating what happened to you with your offspring, often long past the point where the original purpose (if any) has any value.

morphballganon ,

He also was a proponent of circumcision as a means of preventing masturbation because it would make the penis too tight that stroking it would be painful

… well, I for one am very glad he was mistaken in this point.

Lmaydev , to nostupidquestions in What is the exact meaning of a misogynist person?

All 3 of those are misogynistic view points.

gedaliyah , to nostupidquestions in Has Google’s search results drastically declined for anyone else?
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. If you do a search on this site for posts about google, you’ll find multiple threads about this. Basically it seems that google is losing the arms race against SEO, and new LLM bots are mostly responsible.

Rayspekt ,

Basically it seems that google is losing the arms race against SEO[...]

What does this mean in particular?

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Companies are better at getting their shitty product/spammy pages to the top of search results than Google is able to find high quality pages to show you.

Google has to create algorithms to judge pages based on their content and get good results , companies only have to fine tune their pages to match the algorithm.

GustavoFring ,

IIRC Google penalizes sites if they are detected to be abusing the SEO system. Not sure how effective the detection is though.

pacmondo ,

Poor, if my google search results are anything to go by

idunnololz ,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

It’s actually very tricky to implement because people have used it to do “negative SEO”. Which is essentially making it seem like your competitors are abusing the system to get their results lowered.

nottelling ,

It means if you search for anything, your first 3 pages of hits are the same useless websites that exist to push ads vaguely related to your search rather than real info. Trying to research a broken TV used to return things like AVForums or reddit threads or samsung support sites. Now it’s “TEN BEST TV’s IN 2024” that are nothing but sponsored content and affiliate links to tvs on amazon.

Google can’t figure out how to tell the difference between the former and the latter, and isn’t motivated to because they get paid for the ad clicks, and not for the forum clicks.

MotoAsh ,

Oh they know, they just choose to shovel the shit for money.

vexikron ,

SEO stands for Search Engine Optimization.

The technicals of all the ways this is done nowadays are complicated, but basically SEO itself is now a pretty huge industry, just website owners paying SEO companies to show up higher in search results.

Basically the scenario we are now in is that companies that can afford to game and manipulate the way google’s search algorithm works in terms of prioritizing ‘relevance’, ie, what you see first, have been so successful at this that it has essentially ruined the ability to find any website that cannot afford to do so.

This would be something like 99.999% of existing websites are going to be much harder to find without going through pages and pages of results, whereas a tiny number of websites that can afford massive SEO are going to show up on the first page, as well as in search results for search terms they are barely related to at all.

rtxn ,

SEO (search engine “optimization”) is how a search engine ranks its results. The more webpages link to a certain result (as determined by a webcrawler), the higher it is displayed. That is why bloggers are often paid by bad actors to publish editorials that link to a scam, virus, or gambling website.

Google popularized the concept in its early years, back when SEO was an organic indicator of a result’s popularity. It made them the single best choice. Then, capitalism happened, and SEO became a resource to exploit.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bARSNVobUk

gibmiser ,

Search Engine Optimization. Not providing the best search result, but tricking the search engine into thinking you have the best result.

Thorry84 ,

People with mediocre content using SEO to get themselves higher in the search results than sites with actual information on them. That way when searching for something you need to dig through the shit to get to the nugget of actual useful info.

Search engines tried to rank pages based on how big the chance is the info the user is looking for is actually on that page. SEO makes it so that pages with a lower chance of containing the right info, are ranked before pages with a higher chance. This leads those pages to get more hits and thus marketing thinks it’s done their job. But in reality it just pisses off users, blaming the dumb sites that do this and more often the search engine. Search engines are trying to fight this, but SEO is big business, so they are losing the battle.

Now these days there are more issues, like search engines not having access to a lot of info in so called walled gardens. So more good info gets created in places where it can’t easily be found. Also search engines have become more and more advertisement machines instead of search engines and with this shift in priorities, the user experience deteriorates.

But yeah SEO sucks and has always sucked.

Valmond ,

If google detected continuing searching after a page visit, then that page you looked at was probably not having the right answer, right?

SEO solution : make super long pages with the history of what you are looking for and adding mumbo jumbo stuff to bloat out the page so you stay there longer. Now google thinks you found what you looked for.

And a lot of other crap ofc.

Rayspekt ,

Ahhh, that's the goal behind those overly long explanations about how Jimbo Jimboson invented the spoon when I just want to look up soup recipies.

Ultraviolet ,

Google chose to ignore the SEO arms race. Winning it is trivial, if you detect anything even remotely grey-hat, blacklist the entire domain. Forever. Then SEO stops being a thing because no one wants to risk toeing the line.

ThunderWhiskers ,
@ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world avatar

What incentive does Google have to even put up a fight? Worse results = more time searching = more “traffic” = more ad revenue. It’s not like they really have to worry about search engine competitors. Please do not try to recommend DDG to me. It is just a different flavor of garbage.

IronKrill ,

It was bad before LLM spam became widespread, it’s just even worse now.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, there’s a great article I read a while back about how and why recipe web sites became so bad and frustrating. Basically, a good website would show you the recipe, you would read it and leave. However, since you didn’t spend much time on the site, google would rank it much lower.

On the other hand, if you encountered a long rambling story that you had to read through and scroll through ads, before getting to the useful information, then google would rank the site higher because you spent more time on it. That’s why there are so many memes about how bad recipe website are.

And of course, even before LLMs, it was trivial to implement a copy paste bot to create a massive number of web sites.

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