There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

polonius-rex , 
www.youtube.com##+js(json-prune-fetch-response, playerAds adPlacements adSlots playerResponse.playerAds playerResponse.adPlacements playerResponse.adSlots, , propsToMatch, /player?)

Click on uBO icon > ⚙ Dashboard button > Add the filter(s) in "My filters" pane > ✓ Apply changes > Open new tab and test again.

from the reddit page idk if it works but most comments say it does

and if it does, that's fucking hilarious

this will have taken a team months of work and one ublock dev just threw it in the toilet within an hour

ShunkW ,

This worked for me. Thanks!

downpunxx OP ,

ok, so i added this code to my ublock origin filter list, then went to youtube, and the injected ads were still showing up in about half the vids. closed firefox, reopened, same. rebooted my win11 machine, now the injected ads are NOT showing up any longer. not sure if youtube switched it off because they're still beta testing this bullshit or if the code is working but it SEEMS to be working. if it stops i'll come back to edit this comment. thanks for the tip man!

big_slap ,

👑

kokesh ,
@kokesh@lemmy.world avatar

So in theory… can reVanced come up with something like this,

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

NewPipe works, so I’m sure reVanced can/could do it as well. SmartTube (Android TV exclusive) also implemented it weeks ago, I never have seen a single ad.

hagelslager ,

Thank you!

shotgun_crab ,

The ublock origin guys are wizards, I tell you…

sunzu ,

I am amazed how they didn't spell like others did in that market.

Prolly should donate.

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

I stll haven’t get any ads with just stock ubo but when it does I’ll try this filter, thanks

Mercury ,

Do I need to add this filter or are the uBO devs going to update the extension to include it ootb?

polonius-rex ,

i'd be shocked if they didn't update it but i just timed myself doing it and it took less than 10 seconds

blady_blah , (edited )

I would rather pay an ad-block company a monthly subscription than give it to YouTube in blackmail. This will just be another salvo in a never ending war.

glitchdx ,

I used to pay for youtube premium. My logic being that I was using an adblocker anyway, and I wanted the content creators I watched to get some kind of revenue for my watchtime. Youtube stopped taking my money a while back, and I can’t be bothered to figure out why. These days, there’s so little content that I find interesting that I spend more time scrolling than I do actually watching videos. It’s only a matter of time until I just stop regularly going to youtube.

djsaskdja ,

I paid for it until they basically doubled the price.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

I paid for it before they removed Google Play Music. I was on one of the plans that was $8 for both Google Play Music and YouTube Red.

sunzu ,

Too Much engagement slop being pumped into the feed and you can't block offenders on teevee app...

WTF I lay for this. If I don't want to see some clown, I should be able to block.

I report them for misconduct and it seems to reduce the spam but they come back in few weeks amyway...

Like no I don't want linus, I don't want brownlee apple whore... Just stop.

buddascrayon ,

All of these issues have reportedly led to an increase in ad block uninstalls, leaving users with the choice of YouTube Premium or sitting still until that “skip ad” button appears.

Oh yes, I totally believe that people are opting to delete their ad blocker, that works on not just YouTube but the entire internet, simply because YouTube has become obstinate and difficult. Who the fuck wrote this article? And how much are they getting paid by Google? Do they really think we’re going to buy into this bullshit and follow suit?

rozodru ,

it’s total bullshit. For example if you use ublock origin every now and again sure you might get ads that pop up, but AT MOST that lasts for a day, generally it’ll last a couple hours as the team at ublock update their lists to block ads again. There’s no need, literally zero need, to remove it from your extensions. and at worst, like I got yesterday, you’ll just see a black screen that buffers for a bit before the video plays. the ad is still blocked.

you can also circumvent most of this if you use freetube. OR if you just want music the youtube-dl script on linux. I also ditched spotify for youtube-dl as I can also download entire playlists with it.

0laura ,
@0laura@lemmy.world avatar

if I understood it correctly UBlock original would be totally unable to block server side ads right now

Valmond ,

Just FYI I have a user driven plugin that skips self promotion in videos, wirks like a charm most often. I bet someone will make one that detects and skips ads even if they’re added randomly.

0laura ,
@0laura@lemmy.world avatar

Sponsorblock, i have it too. it might break if they add ads server side. though im sure sponsorblock and ublock would find workarounds. those workarounds dont exist yet tho afaik

AeroLemming ,

It’s illegal not to disclose when something is paid promotion. Worst case scenario, the ad blocker blacks out your screen while it detects the ad notification and auto skips when it can. We’ll never actually be forced to watch the ads.

shortwavesurfer , (edited )

New article title. YouTube tests more ways of making their service shit and driving away users.

Edit: TIFO Scott Manley is on Odysee so i will start watching him there instead. One less yt channel is always a good thing

Wogi ,

I mean, if you’re not paying for it, and they can’t advertise to you, what do they need you for?

Fiivemacs ,

To keep claiming they have x billion accounts…

There’s a big reason why these companies don’t remove the bots and willingly allow them to do whatever. It boosts their numbers to inflate their actual worth.

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

at least on my part, what they get from channel memberships (a whopping 30%) I’m sure exceeds the amount in ad revenue they lose from me

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Does YouTube have competition? Your line of inquiry doesn’t mean much if the content is only on YouTube.

Wogi ,

I’m not sure what point you think you’re making.

YouTube doesn’t want you visiting if they can’t either put ads in front of you or get you to subscribe to premium. I appreciate wanting to access YouTube without ads, but from where they’re sitting, if they scare you off with server side ads all the better.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Simply put: why care about their point of view? Google does not have your best interests in mind, often the opposite. There’s no where else to get almost all of the content, why do without or waste time with ads in this short life.

Wogi ,

YouTube could fall off the face of the earth and I would probably see my quality of life improve slightly.

I don’t give a shit about Google. Perspective here is important when you threaten to leave the platform all together, as if they would care. If you’re one of the users they gain no ad revenue or subscription revenue from, they’re probably happy to see you go.

Could they be doing more to try to turn Adblock users in to paid subscribers? Sure. I’m not here to defend their methods. I’m just saying that if you’re not paying, and you can’t be served ads, they really don’t care if you continue to use the service or not.

unexposedhazard ,

Youtube is google No 1 source of machine learning content. Fuckloads of video, audio and subtitle data they can use to feed and train their systems. Youtube itself doesnt need to make profit, thats just a bonus for them.

Wogi ,

YouTube advertising is more than 10% of Google services total profits.

That’s not a bonus, that’s a dependant revenue stream.

unexposedhazard ,

Yeah no, that is revenue. Youtube is 10% of total Google/Alphabet revenue. That doesnt necessarily equate to 10% of profits.

Cypher ,

I did pay for it but they massively increased the price while the recommendation algorithm was deliberately made worse and they wouldn’t stop pushing short format videos.

IsThisAnAI ,

YouTube: oh no, the freeloaders costing us money are going away, what will we ever do!?

sunzu ,

FAFO

Pyr_Pressure ,

I would settle for something that simply turns the screen black and turns audio off whenever ads play. I don’t care if YouTube gets paid for it, I just want to decrease the value of ads and prevent myself from seeing them.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

I don’t care if YouTube gets paid for it

Legally, YouTube have to detect if ads were blocked and and mark the impression as non-billable.

DerisionConsulting ,

They can only tell that something is blocked because the ad wasn’t loaded from a server. If it’s not loaded, then they can’t count it as “viewed.”

If the ad is just blacked over, it is still loaded, and they wouldn’t know.

RecluseRamble ,

Well they also infest the client side since they likely developed the main part of your web browser, so they can still know there’s a black cover in the DOM.

dan , (edited )
@dan@upvote.au avatar

If the ad is just blacked over, it is still loaded, and they wouldn’t know.

If it became a common thing, they’d have to add detection for it. Not necessarily to stop people doing it, but to ensure advertisers aren’t charged for invalid impressions. Practically every major ad network has adblocking detection; they just don’t always make it obvious (e.g. they might silently log it).

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

If they were effectively able to detect it they would be able to block you watching the rest of the video.

Pyr_Pressure ,

I already put my phone down on my desk and turn the audio down whenever an ad pops up, they can’t tell it isn’t being viewed.

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

I find it fascinating how media companies evolved their usage of ads over time. Used to be that the purpose of showing someone an ad was to get them to buy your product. Now, though, the companies who make the ads are paying to have them put on media networks who use the ads to annoy you into paying for a premium membership so you don’t have to see them. It’s double dipping.

Not sure how I would feel if I made an ad, and YouTube was saying to their users: “Yeah, you like that fucking ad? Super annoying, isn’t it? If you don’t pay me more money, I’m going to cram that annoying bullshit down your throat every time you want to watch a video. I’m going to put ads at the beginning of videos. I’m going to sprinkle them throughout the middle. Hell, I’m even going to make you watch ads after the video ends! You like that, you little bitch??”

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the evolution of the premium cable model. HBO, Showtime, etc. The upgraded cable tier has ad-free content and exclusives.

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

Yup. I’m old enough to remember when the selling point of cable TV was that it was ad-free. Then, of course, they started adding ads. And then they sold us premium channels that didn’t have ads. Now those have ads, too. You just can’t get away from them.

Rubisco ,

You just can’t get away from them.

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/d9be440d-416e-4ff5-9ddb-4e23855d6d3f.gif

ChronosTriggerWarning ,

Now i want Pirate Bay to play the theme of pirates of the Caribbean every time i load it up.

krashmo ,

Gotta make that line go up somehow

JohnEdwa ,

It’s been seven years, and this sketch is just getting more and more fitting each day.

UnfortunateShort ,

Let’s go full guerilla: Plugin that lets you select the first and the last frame of an ad, thus allows to report the beginning and length to a synced database. When that frame is found in the buffer, skip X frames ahead.

For ergonomics, the plugin should be able to spot cuts in the video so you can easily select the correct frames.

For resilience, maybe settle for similar frames. Thinking about anti-abuse, maybe require a minimum number of reports relative to the views (and ofc allow to not skip stuff).

aStonedSanta ,

Oh. I like this. Sponsor block but network wide basically xD

SteveTech ,

For ergonomics, the plugin should be able to spot cuts in the video so you can easily select the correct frames.

This shouldn’t even be too hard, I doubt YouTube is completely rerendering every video with ads, they’d just insert the ad in before an I frame in the video. So each ad will start with an I frame, and the video will resume on an I frame, meaning just let the user select all the I frames, no fancy cut detection algorithm is needed.

I have no idea how to do this from JS though.

Also I mean video I frames, not HTML iframes.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Let’s go full guerilla: Plugin that lets you select the first and the last frame of an ad, thus allows to report the beginning and length to a synced database. When that frame is found in the buffer, skip X frames ahead.

This would fit in well with SponsorBlock, which already does the same thing for different parts of videos (eg sponsored segments, intro and outro animations, non music segments in music videos, etc).

I suspect YouTube will find ways around this, like running ads of differing lengths, add random amounts of padding at the start of the video or between ads, etc.

sazey ,

Let the games begin.

ArchRecord ,

It actually already did break sponsorblock for a bit because user submissions would include the wrong timestamps, due to the ads changing the duration of the video.

This would be hard to implement, but I personally would be happy to donate more to fund the development costs for such features. Adblocking is the largest consumer boycott in history and I won’t let a corporation try to crush it again.

ours ,

The challenge is that videos will have a varying amount or type of ads based on the client’s country/demographic and simply on the timing of ad campaigns.

Not baking-in ads was the advantage of Youtube and other streaming platforms over the likes of traditional TV. That’s why they were client-side in the first place. I wonder how much the extra effort, bandwidth, and processing will cost Youtube to achieve server-side ads. Would be funny if it simply ended up being too expensive for them.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

They have a LOT of compute power… They could have several baked in ads per geographical area / demographic and only store them on servers in / close to the relevant country. There’s definitely associated costs but I wonder if it’d amortize well given their viewer count.

guemax ,

That sounds very much like the idea of SponsorBlock (but might need a bit of refinement to work for different ads of different length). You should definitely check out Piped for watching YouTube videos without any tracking/ads/dark patterns, I am very sure they will do something to remove server-side ads as well (hopefully).

And if it is just five seconds instead of 15, it would be way better!

bokherif ,

I’ve been a premium user for a while now and the platform has never been shittier than now. I pay for premium but I see integrated ads in videos and nowadays YouTube sneakily includes actual product videos in your home feed as if that’s not an ad. Recommendations have sucked for so long that I don’t remember the last time I watched something good on it. Inclusion of yt music was the thing that kept me on the subscription but shit man

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

Inclusion of yt music was the thing that kept me on the subscription

Same here. I was struggling to get the ad blockers to work consistently, so I said fuck it and canceled Spotify and subscribed to Youtube. FWIW YT music does a much better job of choosing random music that I like; Spotify just plays the same shit over and over again.

sik0fewl ,

I feel like YT music plays the same things over and over again, so good to know that switching to Spotify won’t be any better.

bokherif ,

I’ve tried every music streaming service out there with their premium subscriptions and they’re really not that different. After a month of usage they all loop the same songs over and over again. It seems YouTube also adopted this because it’s been recommending me the same things over and over and over.

lemmyingly ,

Tidal has new music playlists straight from Tidal and they’re genre specific, which is quite different from Spotify. They’re in a set place within Tidal, so you don’t have to search for the new playlists either.

The sad thing is that it appears a lot of people only like listening to music that they already know. Out of the people I know, I’m the only one that hates listening to the same songs over and over again. I wonder if that’s why many people only seem to like music from their teenage/young adult days 🤔

chiliedogg ,

I miss GPM. YouTube music is full of community-made playlist that are actually YouTube video playlists, so you’ll start one up and have all the music video intros, interrupts, and extra sound effects and shit that get thrown in.

I started a Disney playlist for my nephew in the car, and you could hear all the sound effects from the movie over the actual soundtrack.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

I haven’t seen any of that. For me, Youtube music is almost exactly like Spotify experience-wise.

Scrollone ,

I think you can disable non-music videos from the settings, maybe you did that

aoer ,

How is this bundling even legal. YouTube ist pretty much a Monopoly and they are using this fact to push YouTube Music. If that’s Not anti competitive behaviour what ist?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

How is this bundling even legal.

It’s not being prosecuted, so its legal. Everyone’s been properly paid off. If push comes to shove, Clarence Thomas will get a new RV and any lawsuits will be dismissed, but for now only the EU seems interested in internet regulation.

this_1_is_mine ,

“Its not an rv. Its a motor coach.” - Clarence Thomas

untorquer , (edited )

It’s not being prosecuted, so its legal.

How most regulations work, actually. From food to consumer electronics. And yes, that includes your bad dragon.

Scrollone ,

I think the EU should step in and force Google not to bundle Music.

AFC1886VCC ,

On mobile, which is where I primarily use YT, the official app with premium doesn’t even have sponsorblock or dearrow or blocking shorts. It’s genuinely a worse experience than revanced which is free.

If I was to pay for premium, I’d want the above features at the very least.

Scrollone ,

Do you use Android? Stop paying for premium, just install ReVanced and “fix” the official YouTube apk. It also works with YouTube Music.

bokherif ,

No, unfortunately I switched to an iPhone to limit Google’s tracking endeavors. I love Android, but Google has ruined it with constant tracking in my eyes.

Scrollone ,

I agree with you, but if you still use Google services, including YouTube, you’ll still be tracked.

bokherif ,

Monopoly.

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

they cracked down on adblockers, adblockers got better.

They’re trying to get around adblockers again, adblockers will get better again

TacticsConsort ,
@TacticsConsort@yiffit.net avatar

I will pay for an adblocker before I pay for an ad provider to stop harassing me

ours ,

Chad uBlock Plus dev doesn’t even want our money.

rozodru ,

Chad Raymond Hill who refuses to accept donatoins or sponsorships of any kind.

That being said the people that maintain the filter lists I believe, don’t quoute me on this, you can donate to a few of them. Really depends if they mention it on their githubs though and you pretty much have to go about finding them on your own as there’s no real centralized list of all the people that contribue to the filter lists.

ours ,

That’s correct. uBlock Plus’ Github says he won’t accept donations but give instead to the unsung heroes maintaining the lists on which his software depends.

Freefall ,

YouTube shell company running highly effective subscription based ad blocker! Hahaha I could see it.

ByteOnBikes ,

If anything, adblock taught me about pi-hole, which brought me into the raspberry pi world.

And id rather spend money on that.

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

adguard for windows, which is also available on CrappleComputers and I think it’s also on linux

Swarfega ,

I’m not so sure. Once they are embedded in the video they become hard to block. Twitch is like this now.

nutt_goblin ,

I’m holding out some hope, since twitch is live but YouTube is pre-buffered, but they could still block loading past the ad on a timer or a key computed from hashing the decoded frames of the ad, idk

RexWrexWrecks ,

And yet there are userscripts you can use to block out twitch ads. I haven’t seen one for months now despite not being a subscriber.

InternetUser2012 ,

I’ll just download the video and skip the shit, idgaf, I’m not watching ads, google can suck it.

SendMePhotos ,

Try the app called Seal on FDroid

Etterra ,

There are already sponsorship-skipping add-ons. YouTube lost before they began.

elliot_crane ,

IIRC the developer of SponsorBlock was asked about this and seemed very unconcerned.

magic_lobster_party ,

I’m not sure if a sponsorblock like solution will work. Sponsorblock is entirely reliant on timestamps provided by users.

A similar solution for YouTube’s ads will only work if the ads always happen at the same timestamps and have the same length. This is not necessarily the case, as ads can happen at any point.

aStonedSanta ,

Yeah they just need to range the ad from x->y time into video playback starts.

Excrubulent , (edited )
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

There will have to be designated points where midroll ads can happen, just like the current system has, so the ads aren’t inserted mid-sentence or destroy an important sequence in the video. Nobody would accept it otherwise.

It’s a matter of detecting those points, mapping them to specific frames in the video, then automatically detecting when an ad is inserted on that basis.

It’s slightly harder to do, but not impossible.

Unbecredible ,

Unfortunately I think there’s been a good bit of evidence recently that people WILL accept it. As a prime example lemmy hasn’t exactly replaced reddit despite the relative uproar that the API changes caused. Netflix & co just keep hiking prices and people just keep buying it.

And then on the technical side, if the ads are coming from the server it’s possible youtube might just refuse to serve the rest of the video stream until all or most the ad’s runtime has passed. It depends on how serious they want to get about capturing the revenue lost to adblock users.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Sure, but then that’s an even worse enshittification if they do make it random.

The mandatory add wait-time will stop people from seeking through videos organically. Yet another thing that makes it worse for everyone.

And even then, it should still be possible to detect which frames are part of the original video and which are not, either by detecting original video frames, or building a database of ads and detecting them within videos.

The fact that lots of people still use reddit is just due to inertia. Platforms don’t die immediately overnight. Digg still exists. It still calls itself “The homepage of the internet.” The process of transitioning to a federated internet is going to take many years.

Reddit is still dying however. There’s been a marked drop in the quality of posts over there, and they’re harder to access, now they’re doing an exclusivity thing with google which is also enshittifying massively. That is making it less and less appealling over time. It won’t last forever as a culturally relevant site.

KillingTimeItself ,

if you’re downloading the video locally it would be incredibly trivial to remove the segment of the ad. There are various different mechanisms i can think of that would work.

obviously, beginning and end ads are super trivial.

Ideally, youtube won’t be natively encoding the ads into the videos, because that would be a nightmare, so presumably they’re doing injection instead, that would be pretty obvious from the get go.

If not, they have to have some kind of interface for the advertisement you could very easily use that to track the ad placement itself, though that might be problematic.

There are likely other clever things that can be done, we’ll have to see what happens.

magic_lobster_party ,

Ideally, youtube won't be natively encoding the ads into the videos, because that would be a nightmare

I’m afraid this is what they’re going for.

KillingTimeItself ,

if they did, the only way it would work is if they live encode every video on request, which as we know from twitch, is incredibly cost prohibitive. So i doubt it. This could mostly be assuaged through caching, but i’m not sure how long the economics hold up on that compared to just not doing any live encoding at all.

magic_lobster_party ,

No, that’s not necessary. The only thing they need to do is to find an I-Frame (which there are plenty of), make a cut at that frame, show the ad instead, and then resume to the original video after the ad is done. No extra encoding is involved. It’s just like concatenating video files together.

I’ve done similar stuff like this. It’s not too difficult, at least not in H264. Not sure about YouTube’s own format, but I guess it’s quite similar.

KillingTimeItself ,

that’s what im saying. Maybe not in this thread, idk, i’ve had a few of these now, but they’re almost certainly just injecting the AD somewhere through the middle of the video.

InternetUser2012 ,

There’s already a filter for UBO that blocks it. That was much quicker than I expected. Works and is further down this thread.

magic_lobster_party ,

It’s only a matter of time until YouTube stops that as well.

Etterra ,

It’s an arms race. But there’s not a weapon that doesn’t have a counter, even if that counter is mutually assured destruction. YouTube’s efforts are inevitably a futile chase that does little more than keep their shareholders happy that they’re chasing the dragon.

Contravariant ,

Possibly, but as long as they are not completely server-side (which they can’t be, they want to target people) then they are fighting on hostile ground.

Of course there are attempts to lock down PCs so that ad companies can tell it what to do (probably with some DRM argument), but we’re not there yet.

InternetUser2012 ,

Then on to the next one. Google won’t get a dime from me. They can’t stop it, even if I have to set up something for my computer to record my videos while I sleep so I can watch them on a video player the next day, I will not watch ads.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

I remember using MythTV in the beforetimes, and you’d record the show off the cable tuner, then it would process the file and remove the commercials based on volume levels and light signatures. It was remarkably good at it and was how I watched all TV until streaming came around.

I would imagine someone could do the same even better today with an AI model that would recognize all the ads and deliver an edited stream. The problem is that the video would have to be downloaded beforehand and then the streams stored elsewhere and referenced by an addon that redirects you.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

then it would process the file and remove the commercials

This still exists today, for example in Plex’s DVR. Practically everything that blocks commercials these days uses comskip or a fork of it.

furzegulo ,

how i wish there was a good alternative for youtube

QuadratureSurfer ,
@QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world avatar

Grayjay has been useful for that. I still follow people on YouTube, but if they setup a channel anywhere else I can switch my feed to draw from those sources instead.

thanks_shakey_snake ,

Oh cool! Is there any non-mobile app/service that does something similar?

QuadratureSurfer ,
@QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world avatar

The source code for GrayJay is available if you’re concerned or want to work on a non-mobile app/service yourself, but otherwise I don’t know of anything that combines the services like that.

gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay

some_guy ,

Support candidates who want to limit the ability for large tech companies to acquire their competitors. Maybe even those that wish to see their acquisitions rolled back. Maybe even those that wish to see them broken up.

elbarto777 ,

P-Peertube?

roofuskit ,

Not a great alternative. The second it becomes actually successful it will collapse.

elbarto777 ,

Shucks.

furzegulo ,

peertube would be great, if there were more content creators. out of 330 or something channels that i follow on youtube, 4 are on peertube.

sparkle ,

4 out of 330 is quite a lot. Are they tech youtubers or something?

furzegulo ,

yeah, linux-oriented youtubers

marx2k ,

I’ve tried it. Every server i choose is either slow af, has no videos or the videos just stay at 00:00.

Not a great experience.

guemax ,

Piped. It uses SponsorBlock to also skip ads by the creator in the video, I am very sure they will update it to remove ads injected by YouTube as well. It is also very privacy-friendly.

orcrist ,

The alternatives are around now, and we know that many YouTube content creators are exploring other revenue streams, so it’ll be interesting to see how exodus works. Clearly YouTube is going to continue to get worse and some people are going to leave. What’s next? I’m excited.

It’s always interesting to watch companies implode. Apparently Reddit is blocking non-Google search engines from indexing them, and Twitter wants you to be logged in to view people’s profiles. Those types of moves guarantee that the platform won’t be relevant a decade from now and possibly sooner than that.

downpunxx OP ,

Just got hit with this for the first time, and at first I was like what the fuck is this happening here, I'm running Firefox latest, and UBlock origin latest, never seen this before. Happening for every video, two injected video ads before the video, seem skippable, but i'm not clicking on them. Hope UBlock catches up to this quick, this sucks.

ShunkW ,

Mine are getting trapped by pihole. They take 10 seconds to time out and just show a banner ad that won’t automatically go away without hitting the skip button. It’s really frustrating since I liked letting videos auto play as I fall asleep.

downpunxx OP ,

at least it's not currently spawning an actual video advertisement, so, small blessings, the two injected ads stay static for 10 seconds a piece (makes sense), and if you don't click skip, the first tiers to the second then tiers to the video (was thinking of going pihole but you just confirmed it won't make a difference, if they start injecting autoplay video ads, then it'll be back on my todo list)

ShunkW ,

There’s a comment in this thread with a ubo custom filter that’s working for me.

downpunxx OP ,

yup, just tried that too, and after a reboot, it's working for me too

bitjunkie ,

YouTube tests server-side ads to make your coveted blocker YouTube obsolete

ftfy

enbyecho ,

But do you have a viable alternative in your back pocket?

ryan_ ,

I’m pretty happy with Nebula. I tried it back when it was still bundled with curiosity stream but now I just subscribe to nebula.

It obviously isn’t anywhere near a full YouTube replacement, but it’s pretty good.

enbyecho ,

Yeah, Nebula is quite good. Really like Curiosity Stream too… I subscribe to both.

But alas, most channels I follow are Youtube only and not likely to change :(

CileTheSane ,
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I have a pile of shows on my media tower to watch instead.

stevedidwhat_infosec ,

Watch how quickly I drop your fucking platform lmao. Please give me a reason

ghostface ,

Or just one more thing to add to the open seas of piracy. Or start supporting nebula?

Although this would be the case for piracy, as a better means to support artist, because I pirate my music. I do attend more live music venues which gives more revenue directly to the artist

lemann ,

When the YT apps stopped working a few days ago, I just continued watching on Nebula until the apps were fixed. Only went back onto YT to read discussions in video comments

DarkCloud ,

Yeah they risk making their platform obsolete to many users.

cheddar ,
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And where will users go? There are no alternatives. Other platforms don’t have as much content, require you to pay, or both.

JigglySackles ,

I can’t vouch for others but I’d rather just stop using the service all together if I can’t do it ad free. I’m not inclined to pay for YouTube either, already pay for too many services. People existed just fine without Youtube. They can again.

LinusSexTips ,

Pornhub, or touching grass. Either order really.

I’d been paying for premium YouTube for a few years, the family plan had a massive spike in price and I’d had enough from there. Been using Grayjay for the past few months only watching a couple of channels, but if this goes live it will kill the platform for me.

The bundled YouTube music sub really doesn’t sell it for me either, sure it’s got some more niche music compared to other platforms but it’s not a drop-in replacement (especially for the better half).

All and all I’m probably one of the few that will tap out of the platform, will be interesting to see the fallout.

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

Have you considered paying for their ad free service?

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

YouTube: creates the problem

This guy: have you considered paying them for the solution?

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

Like many other business they offer an ad funded service and a paid service. I understand this is Lemmy, and people love getting things for free. But if you don’t like ads, have you thought about paying for the service?

CileTheSane ,
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they offer an ad funded service and a paid service

Just because they offer a paid service doesn’t mean it’s reasonable for me to pay for it. For example: if the cost was $1000 a month it would not be reasonable to respond with “why don’t you pay for it?” Because that’s not a reasonable price.
If a person doesn’t find the price reasonable then it is reasonable for them not to pay.

Watching ads is also a cost. It costs time. Each person has a threshold of how many ads they are willing to watch before the cost is too high, at which point it is reasonable for them to no longer pay that cost.

YouTube is constantly increasing the ad time trying to find that point just before people get sick of it.

if you don’t like ads, have you thought about paying for the service?

I remind you that the person you originally replied to said they were done watching YouTube. Not that they were insisting on getting it for free. They find the ad cost too high, and the paid service cost too high, so they will not use the service. That is a perfectly reasonable response and a response of “why don’t you pay for it” is not helpful, irrelevant, and shows you aren’t listening to what is being said.

For the record: If I believed there was even a chance that my watching YouTube with an ad blocker caused the tiniest noticeable amount of loss to YouTube’s finances, I would set up a tab streaming YouTube 24 hours a day on mute. So no, I also will not be paying them for premium either.

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

I agree with all your points, not using the service is absolutely an option. I suggested paying for premium because that was the option that made the most sense to me. I hate ads and love YouTube. For me, the value I get from a subscription is much higher than other services I pay for. I’m subscribed to probably 500 YouTube channels and probably watch between 50-100 hours of content per month.

Malfeasant ,

What’s the Lemmy equivalent of /r/hailcorporate?

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

That’s funny, but I love content created by individuals and small teams, especially the maker/engineering channels. I’ll take that over corporate produced media any day, even if it means paying a corporation to serve that content to me.

They also have one of the best business models for creators, meaning people producing content can do it full time and make a good living off of it, instead of doing it as a charity and producing mediocre quality videos.

mycodesucks ,
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…one of the best business models for creators

If that’s true I’d hate to see the worst models. It’s a great system until Youtube completely changes their recommendation/discovery algorithm and kills your channel, or demonetizes half of it because there’s a content rule change, or you get a couple content or copyright strikes filed by a troll and your whole channel and years of your life is suddenly shut down because you can’t get a human to verify anything without a lawyer. If you’re Mr. Beast or Pewdiepie, Youtube is good for you. If you’re a normal creator, it’s an absolute nightmare of constant fear about what dystopian changes will be forced on you overnight.

MrAlternateTape ,

They had a service I paid for. I paid for youtube without ads. Just that. And then they changed prices and made me pay for something that I did not need, YouTube Music. So I canceled.

They had me as a subscriber, they just wanted more money and lost me.

And I block ads. Not specifically for youtube, but for all sites and apps that I can. I use Blockada and most days the number of blocked tracking cookies goes over 1000. Laat 24 hours it is 3426 trackers blocked. Is it really necessary that I am being tracked that much?

I don’t think so, and I am not even talking about malware, or crypto ming scripts that will be loaded as ads. Most ads are not checked properly so I have no idea what malicious bullshit I can get on my systems without even asking for it.

If I find something that I use a lot and adds value, I will donate some money. For example, I support some creators on Patreon.

And ads always do their best to be loud and intrusive. And if I have a guest at my house that is loud and intrusive, they don’t get invited back. The same with ads.

Remember when ads were just a small rectangle on youtube? You clicked it away and that is it? That was the way. Serve ads in a normal, non intrusive way and I can handle them just fine.

ByteOnBikes ,

If you pay me MORE money, I won’t shit on your lawn

CileTheSane ,
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If you pay me more money I’ll shit on your lawn less often

bokherif ,

Premium also has lots of ads in your feed (disguised as product videos) and videos include sponsorships ads.

letsgo ,

Yes, and it took less than a minute of googling to find “I’m paying, why do I still see ads?”. There’s also someone in this thread complaining of the same.

hark ,
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The problem with that is they will eventually introduce ads to the paid service as well.

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