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RonnyZittledong ,
@RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world avatar

This must consume a tremendous amount of processing to do since they would have to transcode copies for every ad region/campaign and every resolution on demand. I am interested in how they made this financially viable.

Nollij ,

Not necessarily. They could split the video in advance, assuming the ads will always be at the same point. Even if not, they could still use the direct, unaltered source with a range. The big challenge would be keeping it all synced, which I think is safe to say that they will get right.

But even if it did need to be transcoded, YouTube automatically transcodes every single video uploaded, multiple times. They are clearly not afraid of it.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

If you’ve ever used yt-dl, you’ll know that YT vids are all split into multiple files. Presumably, this is where the ads get injected.

SaltySalamander ,

No, they're not split. Each one of those results you get from yt-dlp is a different version of the same video. I.e. different resolutions, different codecs. Some of them are the audio, some of them are the video, but they're not split.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

They are also that.

AProfessional ,

I’d guess its a solution similar to DASH that dynamically streams different content.

roofuskit ,

Since AI has caused them to complete abandoned any illusions about their carbon zero footprint I think they just stopped caring.

Ilovethebomb ,

If they only do it for very popular videos, the additional cost will be trivial.

magic_lobster_party ,

They don’t need to do any extra transcoding. It’s not that costly to stitch videos together. If done at specific strategic locations, it’s like copying a text file into another.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

I’m so fucking sick of their greedy bullshit

dinckelman ,

I know there’s a significant part of the market that’d just say yeah, fuck it, i’ll pay for Redtube Youtube Red Youtube Premium, but there’s also a significant part of it, where a lot of people would rather just stop watching stuff entirely.

It’s just like Hulu back in the days. You’d have no choice but to pay for a premium tier, just to have 14 unskippable ads forced down your throat, all in a span of a 19 minute long tv episode. I stopped paying after that month and resorted to piracy.

Piracy is always a service issue, except now it’s legitimately going to harm individual creators, who have just about everything to lose, rathen that a rotten husk of some corporation, that’s going to print free money, no matter what you do

baggins ,

I’d 100% pay for it if the pricing made any sense.

dinckelman ,

The price is absolutely obscene. No fucking way i’m paying that

SaltySalamander ,

When it was 9 bucks, it was worth it. Certainly isn't now.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

except now it's legitimately going to harm individual creators,

I know it isn't the world we live in anymore, and there's nothing we can do about it...but maybe we shouldn't have treated YouTube like a job and just kept it as a hobby video website between ordinary people. Like what it started out as.

dinckelman ,

To be honest, whether we want it or not, art is a necessary aspect of society. The issue here is that we put a lot of trust in a corporate environment, the entire goal of which is to pocket as much as possible, while riding the success of the people creating stuff

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Yeah that's what I mean. People created entire careers which are 100% dependent on the whims of a mega corporation. It never seemed like a stable source of income to me. I've always treated it like it's just a silly video site, nothing more.

SaltySalamander ,

Redtube is a porn site, lol.

shortwavesurfer , (edited )

New article title. YouTube tests more ways of making their service shit and driving away users.

Edit: TIFO Scott Manley is on Odysee so i will start watching him there instead. One less yt channel is always a good thing

Wogi ,

I mean, if you’re not paying for it, and they can’t advertise to you, what do they need you for?

Fiivemacs ,

To keep claiming they have x billion accounts…

There’s a big reason why these companies don’t remove the bots and willingly allow them to do whatever. It boosts their numbers to inflate their actual worth.

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

at least on my part, what they get from channel memberships (a whopping 30%) I’m sure exceeds the amount in ad revenue they lose from me

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Does YouTube have competition? Your line of inquiry doesn’t mean much if the content is only on YouTube.

Wogi ,

I’m not sure what point you think you’re making.

YouTube doesn’t want you visiting if they can’t either put ads in front of you or get you to subscribe to premium. I appreciate wanting to access YouTube without ads, but from where they’re sitting, if they scare you off with server side ads all the better.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Simply put: why care about their point of view? Google does not have your best interests in mind, often the opposite. There’s no where else to get almost all of the content, why do without or waste time with ads in this short life.

Wogi ,

YouTube could fall off the face of the earth and I would probably see my quality of life improve slightly.

I don’t give a shit about Google. Perspective here is important when you threaten to leave the platform all together, as if they would care. If you’re one of the users they gain no ad revenue or subscription revenue from, they’re probably happy to see you go.

Could they be doing more to try to turn Adblock users in to paid subscribers? Sure. I’m not here to defend their methods. I’m just saying that if you’re not paying, and you can’t be served ads, they really don’t care if you continue to use the service or not.

unexposedhazard ,

Youtube is google No 1 source of machine learning content. Fuckloads of video, audio and subtitle data they can use to feed and train their systems. Youtube itself doesnt need to make profit, thats just a bonus for them.

Wogi ,

YouTube advertising is more than 10% of Google services total profits.

That’s not a bonus, that’s a dependant revenue stream.

IsThisAnAI ,

YouTube: oh no, the freeloaders costing us money are going away, what will we ever do!?

UnfortunateShort ,

Let’s go full guerilla: Plugin that lets you select the first and the last frame of an ad, thus allows to report the beginning and length to a synced database. When that frame is found in the buffer, skip X frames ahead.

For ergonomics, the plugin should be able to spot cuts in the video so you can easily select the correct frames.

For resilience, maybe settle for similar frames. Thinking about anti-abuse, maybe require a minimum number of reports relative to the views (and ofc allow to not skip stuff).

aStonedSanta ,

Oh. I like this. Sponsor block but network wide basically xD

Etterra ,

There are already sponsorship-skipping add-ons. YouTube lost before they began.

elliot_crane ,

IIRC the developer of SponsorBlock was asked about this and seemed very unconcerned.

magic_lobster_party ,

I’m not sure if a sponsorblock like solution will work. Sponsorblock is entirely reliant on timestamps provided by users.

A similar solution for YouTube’s ads will only work if the ads always happen at the same timestamps and have the same length. This is not necessarily the case, as ads can happen at any point.

aStonedSanta ,

Yeah they just need to range the ad from x->y time into video playback starts.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

There will have to be designated points where midroll ads can happen, just like the current system has, so the ads aren’t inserted mid-sentence or destroy an important sequence in the video. Nobody would accept it otherwise.

It’s a matter of detecting those points, mapping them to specific frames in the video, them automatically detecting when an ad is inserted on that basis.

It’s slightly harder to do, but not impossible.

homesweethomeMrL ,

And that’s when I moved to Invidious and haven’t looked back

lud ,

What makes you think they won’t block them or force ads to them as well?

You do know that Invidious is still YouTube, right?

homesweethomeMrL ,

It’s an open source front end to youtube, yes. So no ads on the sidebar, no bullshit about logging in, no garbage algorithm to be harassed by.

And no commercials yet. If YT streams the ads and invidious doesn’t block them and adblocker doesn’t block them and PiHole doesn’t block them, I will not watch them.

Death to Advertisement.

lud ,

I don’t think YouTube cares if you refuses to watch their videos on another platform or not.

They probably prefer if you didn’t. You only cost them money with no revenue whatsoever.

SaltySalamander ,

Considering I can't get Invidious to serve me a video in a higher res than 480p, no thanks.

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

I find it fascinating how media companies evolved their usage of ads over time. Used to be that the purpose of showing someone an ad was to get them to buy your product. Now, though, the companies who make the ads are paying to have them put on media networks who use the ads to annoy you into paying for a premium membership so you don’t have to see them. It’s double dipping.

Not sure how I would feel if I made an ad, and YouTube was saying to their users: “Yeah, you like that fucking ad? Super annoying, isn’t it? If you don’t pay me more money, I’m going to cram that annoying bullshit down your throat every time you want to watch a video. I’m going to put ads at the beginning of videos. I’m going to sprinkle them throughout the middle. Hell, I’m even going to make you watch ads after the video ends! You like that, you little bitch??”

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the evolution of the premium cable model. HBO, Showtime, etc. The upgraded cable tier has ad-free content and exclusives.

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

Yup. I’m old enough to remember when the selling point of cable TV was that it was ad-free. Then, of course, they started adding ads. And then they sold us premium channels that didn’t have ads. Now those have ads, too. You just can’t get away from them.

Rubisco ,

You just can’t get away from them.

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/d9be440d-416e-4ff5-9ddb-4e23855d6d3f.gif

krashmo ,

Gotta make that line go up somehow

JohnEdwa ,

It’s been seven years, and this sketch is just getting more and more fitting each day.

blady_blah , (edited )

I would rather pay an ad-block company a monthly subscription than give it to YouTube in blackmail. This will just be another salvo in a never ending war.

glitchdx ,

I used to pay for youtube premium. My logic being that I was using an adblocker anyway, and I wanted the content creators I watched to get some kind of revenue for my watchtime. Youtube stopped taking my money a while back, and I can’t be bothered to figure out why. These days, there’s so little content that I find interesting that I spend more time scrolling than I do actually watching videos. It’s only a matter of time until I just stop regularly going to youtube.

illi ,

Since it is server side, will this effect the alternative front ends?

magic_lobster_party ,

That’s the point. They want to stop people bypassing ads by using alternative front ends. If they succeed with server side ads, then it’s going to be difficult to block ads. Maybe not impossible, but difficult.

illi ,

That’s what I figured, but I’m not expert on how things work so wanted someone who knows more chime in. Sad times

roofuskit ,

It won’t, you’ll just use an app that pre downloads all your favorite channels and scans them for ads so it can auto skip them.

magic_lobster_party ,

It’s maybe doable, but figuring out where ads start and end in a video file isn’t necessarily trivial. The app must know what to look for, and YouTube might try to obfuscate it to make it harder.

Restaldt ,

Trust in the Foss.

If it pisses people off enough they will manually create a database of videos and ad timestamps for removal if it can’t be easily automated.

magic_lobster_party ,

Database of ad timestamps like sponsorblock only works if ads happens at the same timestamps (and are of equal length). This is not necessarily the case.

The only reliable way I can come up with is a database of ads to look for, but that can be huge to accommodate for all possible ads. There’s also risk of false positives (risk of skipping video when there are no ad).

some_guy ,

Aha! So this is how one snuck into a video I downloaded last night. Fuckers. At least with a locally downloaded file I can quickly skip ahead.

elbarto777 ,

Or even trim it.

roofuskit ,

Way back in the day when I used SageTV to record live TV there were programs that would automatically identify commercials and skip them for you. Computers are way more powerful now so I doubt it will be long before there’s and app that automatically downloads your favorite YouTube channels and prescans the videos to skip the ads.

I_Miss_Daniel ,

Still using comskip.exe today although it seems to be having more trouble than it used to.

polonius-rex , 
www.youtube.com##+js(json-prune-fetch-response, playerAds adPlacements adSlots playerResponse.playerAds playerResponse.adPlacements playerResponse.adSlots, , propsToMatch, /player?)

Click on uBO icon > ⚙ Dashboard button > Add the filter(s) in "My filters" pane > ✓ Apply changes > Open new tab and test again.

from the reddit page idk if it works but most comments say it does

and if it does, that's fucking hilarious

this will have taken a team months of work and one ublock dev just threw it in the toilet within an hour

ShunkW ,

This worked for me. Thanks!

downpunxx OP ,

ok, so i added this code to my ublock origin filter list, then went to youtube, and the injected ads were still showing up in about half the vids. closed firefox, reopened, same. rebooted my win11 machine, now the injected ads are NOT showing up any longer. not sure if youtube switched it off because they're still beta testing this bullshit or if the code is working but it SEEMS to be working. if it stops i'll come back to edit this comment. thanks for the tip man!

big_slap ,

👑

kokesh ,
@kokesh@lemmy.world avatar

So in theory… can reVanced come up with something like this,

hagelslager ,

Thank you!

furzegulo ,

how i wish there was a good alternative for youtube

QuadratureSurfer ,
@QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world avatar

Grayjay has been useful for that. I still follow people on YouTube, but if they setup a channel anywhere else I can switch my feed to draw from those sources instead.

some_guy ,

Support candidates who want to limit the ability for large tech companies to acquire their competitors. Maybe even those that wish to see their acquisitions rolled back. Maybe even those that wish to see them broken up.

elbarto777 ,

P-Peertube?

roofuskit ,

Not a great alternative. The second it becomes actually successful it will collapse.

ramble81 ,

This is where AI would come in handy. Start scrubbing the buffer as it’s coming in to identify the difference and jump past it.

cRazi_man ,

It becomes an AI war. They will use AI to make ads to get around the AI blocking. The ads will end up looking very similar to the content.

Ad: “Hey guys. It’s ya boy, NordVPN, here today to tell you about the dangers of using the internet without my VPN…”

cheese_greater ,

Whatever happened to ad placement lol

Kowowow ,

Then you start using ai to put in anti ads that point out all the bad stuff about the usual ad subjects, I’d say get as code to libel/slander as possible without risking a lawsuit

Azzu ,

Aren’t they legally required to indicate that an ad is playing? Should be almost trivial to detect and I don’t know how they’d get around that.

roofuskit ,

I’m the US? I think only if the content is targeted at children.

helpImTrappedOnline ,

Maybe if they cleared out the scams and served more than 3 ads on repete, I wouldn’t feel the need to block them. Yes, no one likes ads, but I get its to pay for the content I’m watching for free.

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