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Felipe , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

My brothers and sisters in San Marino will have to make that long trek to Italy, sad.

KillingTimeItself , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

why is one of them censored

trafficnab ,

Niger is close to a slur and is probably overwhelmingly used as a way to bypass filters as opposed to actually taking about the African country

KillingTimeItself ,

what a funny way to racism other people. “you’re just like a random country from that one place in the world”

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Tbf, the racists wouldn’t see a shred of irony in that statement.

KillingTimeItself ,

probably fair lmao

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

That makes a lot of sense, that’s exactly where it would be in the alphabetical list too.

unreasonabro ,

Because, i don’t know if you heard, but it’s Niger and people are too fucking retarded.

mlg , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Wasn’t Valve the one who pointed out that Russia was always pirating games not because they were inherently pirates but because the game releases had zero support for Russia lol. Hence why Valve was the first foreign developer/publisher that gained an actual foothold in the Russian market.

This is kind of like the same thing. Sony will just say something dumb like “we don’t allow PSN accounts in these countries because they’re full of pirates”.

RIP_Cheems ,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

They’re about to be full of pirates.

GTG3000 ,

That rings true for me. Only stopped pirating once steam was an option, myself.

Zuberi ,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

100% true. India is (or was?) also big for games just not being sold there.

Game companies shooting themselves in the foot? Never heard of it.

snowadv ,

The second problem is absence of regional prices in other markets but Steam.

They are selling games two (!!) or so times cheaper in RU region. For example, AAA game might cost 60 dollars or 6000 rub in US but it will costs 35 or 3500 rub in russian steam.

Even though I couldn’t afford games in the past and pirated them - at some point I started buying stuff just because it gives much better, hustle -free experience.

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If I’m low on cash, I pirate. When I have cash, I buy up the games I want. If it’s a game I enjoyed years ago and it’s on sale, I grab it.

The idea that piracy results in lost sales is flawed. No one I know who pirates can purchase the game to begin with.

Is a library piracy? No? Cool, discussion over.

localhost443 , (edited )

I often took the same approach back when buying a game was a financial consideration. But even though now 4/5 times I already know hat I’m buying and just pay, there are still the 1/5 times I’ll pirate first as I’m really on the fence. Due to this I have a few games I ended up completing on pirate, but bought the game (and DLC if relevant) with 0 hours in my library because good work deserves recognition.

Otherwise we risk losing those good developers to other careers or into the AAA meat grinder.

For clarity I’m talking Indy titties here, I doubt I average much above 0.5/year AAA purchases anymore

Edit: actually I’ll go one step further. If I pirate your game and hate it, then its delete and forget. If I buy your game and hate it that’s a potential negative review, maybe even though me and that title we just a bad fit. This is why demos need to become ubiquitous again

chiliedogg ,

I mean… Saying that it doesn’t result in lost sales at all is disingenuous.

They aren’t losing 70 dollars for every download, but they also aren’t losing zero.

unreasonabro , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

lmao Niger is blocked out

internet censorship is fucking retarded

7heo ,

Yeah, ♡♡♡♡♡ian princes will be mad disappointed.

BTW, cool meta-use of removed internet censorship to illustrate your point.

spraynpray ,

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  • 7heo ,

    Oh, I thought they wrote the *removed* text verbatim… My bad.

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I’d have thought the same, I wasn’t aware instances had word level removal in place.

    shotgun_crab ,

    I’m surprised Nigeria survived the censor

    jaybone , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

    I’m not a big gamer so I’m not entirely getting this. It sounds like the issue is they want you to link your steam and PSN accounts, which people don’t want to do. And in some countries it’s even a TOS violation.

    My question is, why would they have such a requirement to link the two accounts in the first place?

    Zoot , (edited )
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    One RUMOR I’ve heard is so it looks like more people are registering with PSN, to make up for loss of PS sales? Doesn’t make the most sense, but I’m sure its a mixture of that and your data $$$

    Edit: I’m sure they are using the increase of accounts to make theirs elves look more favorable. All around, it’s shitty, and helldivers will suffer for it. Steam has already allowed refunds from countries that can no longer play.

    kerrigan778 ,

    That would be pretty obvious fraud, I doubt that.

    Zoot ,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    Which part? I’m sure it would be fraud to pad their numbers that way. Unless they used a seperate metric which looked favorable to shareholders since number of accounts goes up.

    The data part I don’t think you meant to cast doubt on, thats a given.

    kerrigan778 ,

    I meant padding their numbers like that yes.

    Heavybell , (edited )
    @Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

    The legitimate reason is for crossplay. Sony said in the announcement it was for player “protection”, so they could ban people. Plus there is no doubt some data tracking going on.

    Zoot ,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    But cross-platform worked just fine before this requirement? Or atleast well enough, I’ve been playing with a PS4 friend for the last month.

    Heavybell ,
    @Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

    Did it? I stand corrected, then.

    Draedron ,

    The publishet is Sony. This way Sony can harvest your data and has total control over bans. If they didnt force the links bans for pc players would go through steam and could be challenged over steam in the case of an unfair ban.

    AlexisFR ,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    The only data they can get is what you already share in game. And a little portion of what is on Steam.

    MeetInPotatoes ,

    You obviously have to give them whatever data is required for a PSN account. You could give them fake personal data of course, but good luck remembering your fake info if you ever need to reset your password.

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That isn’t how bans work at all. The only bans which go through steam are VAC bans, and those are not a requirement.

    MeetInPotatoes ,

    You’re mistaken. If they make you log into PSN to play the game, then being banned via PSN would also lock you out of the game.

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That isn’t what they are saying. They claim Sony needs PSN for the game in order to enforce a ban, otherwise it has to go through Steam.

    AlexisFR ,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    It’s a Sony online game and it shouldn’t have worked without an account in first place on PC. But they allowed it regardless due to server issues.

    monsterpiece42 ,

    It explicitly said you do not need a PSN account to play, in a number of places. Both on the game page, on the Sony FAQ page, and the Steam page too I believe.

    It was bait and switch, which is why so many people are upset.

    IvanOverdrive ,

    For me, it was the 2011 Playstation Hack.

    Credit card data was encrypted, but Sony admitted that other user information was not encrypted at the time of the intrusion.

    After that, I swore I would never give a corporation that lax with personal information my own.

    Got_Bent , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

    I don’t know what a PSN account is, but I’m surprised you can get one in North Korea.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    Sony Account (PlayStation Network account)

    TheWolfOfSouthEnd ,

    I’ve always wondered how much we are lied to about North Korea.

    CaptnNMorgan ,

    I would imagine, very little

    naticus , in Sony removed Helldivers 2 from sale in countries where PSN is not available. For example whole CIS region.

    Spitz isn’t a dev, they’re a Community Manager, and a tone deaf one at that.

    EchoCT ,

    Community manager or not,he still has a Vested interest in the games success. I think this is pretty clearly a Sony being shitty thing. I hope they are trying to find a better answer because I like Helldivers but I’m also not willing to deal with Sonys bullshit.

    naticus ,

    My saying they’re a CM isn’t my giving them a pass. But dev vs CM is an important distinction regardless. A CM should know how to address people publicly and not incite even more rage by belittling people’s concerns. The only apology they gave so far was the most non-apology you could imagine too.

    Zekas ,

    Could you please whine another paragraph about something if possible even more trivial?

    EchoCT ,

    I don’t disagree, but they also can’t give a real apology without pissing off the publisher who can shut it all down period. They’re damned if the do and damned if they don’t.

    pezhore ,
    @pezhore@lemmy.ml avatar

    What is with tone deaf users named sp.*z?

    Static_Rocket ,
    @Static_Rocket@lemmy.world avatar

    Ha, gotta add this regex to my spam filters now that you’ve pointed it out

    tiredofsametab ,

    No more space zone? Spaghetti, ziti, etc.?

    / Greedy regex is greedy

    pro_grammer OP ,

    thanks, fixed the text a little bit.

    Karyoplasma ,

    Imagine being a Community Manager and having no idea how the bullshit your publisher wants to pull off affects your community but still initially siding with them lol

    Must be a fucking easy job.

    spirinolas , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

    Isn’t this illegal according to EU law? It’s a common market but the Baltic states are excluded.

    FluffyPotato ,

    Yes it is

    AlexisFR ,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    Overseas territories like French Guyana too. It’s fully part of France so you can’t exclude it like that.

    spirinolas ,

    It’s not even an overseas territory, it’s a full-fledged department of France. They couldn’t exclude it even if they wanted. And it’s not excluded in the map, if you look closely, even while Guyana and Surinam are.

    hal_5700X , in Sony removed Helldivers 2 from sale in countries where PSN is not available. For example whole CIS region.

    steamdb link

    It’s crazy to see Sony kill their golden goose.

    Link ,

    You can’t buy it in France? I see Metropolitan France on the list

    Mossheart ,

    Lol at the inclusion of the Holy See.

    Microw ,

    added unknown country code: XD

    XD indeed

    Caligvla , in Sony removed Helldivers 2 from sale in countries where PSN is not available. For example whole CIS region.

    Wow, they’re really burning down all of that good will, huh? It’s like a car crash, you can’t help but to keep looking at it.

    Zenchyi ,

    Im totally with arrowhead here. I wasnt aware of PSN being banned in countries either and at least theyre trying their best to make it right again. I dont think theyre burning goodwill, sony is though.

    JakenVeina ,

    I’m with Arrowhead as well, none of this shit is coming from them, it’s coming from Sony. The most you can criticize them for is partnering with Sony in the first place.

    JoshuaSlowpoke777 , (edited )

    Considering this and No Man’s Sky having to spend YEARS clawing back good will, I think the lesson here is “don’t make deals with AAA publishers”.

    sushibowl ,

    I think it’s pretty shitty from Arrowhead as well, because they knew six months in advance that PSN requirement was going to happen and said nothing. That should’ve been stated front and center when people bought the game.

    JakenVeina ,

    Also fair.

    knightly ,
    @knightly@pawb.social avatar

    Lol, what goodwill? Sony has been on my shitlist since the music rootkit debacle that bricked a bunch of CD players.

    burrito ,

    Came to the comments to say exactly this. The rootkit debacle was the end of the road for me and Sony. They’re still exactly the same company, and this move proves it.

    Strawberry , in Steam features never fail to amaze me

    local transfer really helped me out the other day as i tried to have a lan party at my slow-internet friend’s house

    Donebrach , (edited ) in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.
    @Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

    Can we get a similar map of Helldivers 2 players, based on location, prior to the change?

    edgemaster72 , in Sony removed Helldivers 2 from sale in countries where PSN is not available. For example whole CIS region.
    @edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

    Not available in cis region? So Helldivers 2 is trans only now?

    Default_Defect ,
    @Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

    Nice, I’ve only seen Confederacy of Independent Systems referenced until now.

    rickyrigatoni ,
    Zekas ,

    Forced feminization is dispersed only to the worthy.

    BirdyBoogleBop ,

    Managed Femininity

    Mango ,

    It’s really annoying to have my kink be a political subject.

    atmur , in Sony removed Helldivers 2 from sale in countries where PSN is not available. For example whole CIS region.

    It’s insane to me that this is a hill Sony is willing to die on. So much goodwill to throw away just to collect a bit more data on users.

    Just remember, if they’re willing to enforce this nonsense, you can be sure that there will be more nonsense to come. “Sorry everyone, Sony decided we need lootboxes! But our team is on the side of the players!”

    I hate modern AAA games, I’m gonna go try out that new Stardew Valley update.

    whereisk ,

    Someone high up will probably lose a lot of face if it doesn’t go through. I’m assuming someone looked at numbers in a spreadsheet and asked why on earth do they have a huge pool of data they can’t legally use to enhance their ad targeting - when the developers said it might be a problem with our users they said fuck them, just ram it through. How do they backpedal without looking like out of touch idiots?

    Focie ,

    It’s not even much data at all. A game dev friend of mine took a look at what is shared through Steam’s own API, and it’s just a unique ID basically verifying that the steam account belongs to that steam user. The worst they can do with that is ask if the user already owns this or that game, likely just from the same publisher.

    They probably just want the ability to better ban people if they are griefing other players (or make sure people can’t cheat their way to more super credits)

    The whole thing is such a nothing burger from sony’s part, it makes it even more absurd that they’re doing this!

    lazynooblet ,
    @lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

    I’ve seen this said a few times. Armed with the steam id already, what does having the PSN account improve on?

    If they can get a new steam account, they can get a new anything account.

    Focie ,

    If I had to guess, I’m guessing it would add another layer that MOST griefers aren’t willing to go through, but let’s be honest… Look at the shit show here. No amount of ban control has to be worth getting your game delisted in 170 countries :P

    WolfLink ,

    Honestly I’m scared for Destiny 2. The game’s on the verge of death already and it’s just awaiting a nail in the coffin, which Sony could deliver at any time.

    TIMMAY ,

    did you happen to miss when they made the original content and the first couple dlc’s unavailable to play and refused to give refunds for it? Bungie can fucking die in a hole and destiny 2 has been a trash fire for years already

    WolfLink ,

    They’ve had their ups and downs. Vaulting content is not the worst thing they’ve done.

    whereBeWaldo ,

    Does goodwill even really mean anything? I keep seeing the arguments that say “X company is cashing in their goodwill” etc. But I honestly don’t think the average person who plays AAA games give a shit about a company’s track record. If that was the case Nintendo would’ve bankrupted by now. People will probably preorder the ultimate super deluxe edition of the PS6 or god of war as soon as sony announces them.

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Baldurs Gate 3?
    No Mans Sky?

    whereBeWaldo ,

    What about them? I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything but just listing some games doesn’t tell me anything.

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Does goodwill even really mean anything?

    whereBeWaldo ,

    👍

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Well…The problem is, that the stock goes up. Regardless of the bad publicity.

    Eggyhead , in Sony removed Helldivers 2 from sale in countries where PSN is not available. For example whole CIS region.

    Sony really wanting become a player on PC and realizing they’re a console company.

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