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drathvedro , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

The Intergalactic Ninja Sultan of Revenue Development

Asudox , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

Dev.

MIDItheKID , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

I put “Chaotic Neutral Technomancer” as my title at work and HR said I had to change it.

orphiebaby ,

Damn that HR!

humbletightband , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

I only want to be called darling. Or a filthy worm, depending on the situation

ThatFembyWho ,

Filthy darling

LouNeko , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

A “good girl”

ThatFembyWho ,

Wtf. I came here to make this same comment.

Thought I’d be super clever haha. Take my upvote instead

icedcoffee , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

If you call a dev a programmer and they don’t get huffy they are hands down one of the raddest people you’ll ever meet.

Zink , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

I have always considered myself an engineer because I’m part of a multidisciplinary engineering organization designing a physical product that has embedded software. And “engineer” is the word at the end of my degrees, I guess.

But if somebody called me by any of those terms in the OP I would answer. And if somebody who works on an app or a video game calls themselves an engineer, it wouldn’t raise an eyebrow.

My only conclusion is that we here, who spend our days specifying exactly what we want computers to do, are not so great specifying ourselves exactly.

wathek , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

You may call me Computer God. Or God for short if i deem it acceptable.

pythonoob ,

I’m only human, though I am working on that…

taanegl , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

“…daughter dearest.”

“Wow, this guy programs.”

bouh , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

I am an engineer. Most developers aren’t though, unfortunately.

pulaskiwasright , (edited ) in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

Everyone who works on making software is a developer, even people who don’t program at all. people who make art for software work in software development. A “coder” only writes code. It’s more of a task than a job. A software engineer does technical design and probably also codes.

Lmaydev ,

The reality is they all mean the same thing and are used interchangeably in different companies.

Zip2 , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

My boss once referred to me as “code bastard”. I’m keeping it.

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

Scrum Lord has a air of royalty to it aswel

bjoern_tantau , in Touch a file in Linux
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Does anyone actually use touch for its intended purpose? Must be up there with cat.

BestBouclettes ,

The intended use of touch is to update the timestamp right?

bjoern_tantau ,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Yeah. It could just as well have issued a file not found error when you try to touch a nonexistent file. And we would be none the wiser about what we’re missing in the world.

BestBouclettes ,

If you touch -c it should work I guess

4am ,

“Do one thing and do it very well” is the UNIX philosophy after all; if you’re 99% likely to just create that missing file after you get a file not found error, why should touch waste your time?

0x0 ,

Because now touch does two things.

Without touch, we could “just” use the shell to create files.


<span style="color:#323232;">: > foo.txt
</span>
deegeese ,

Touch does one thing from a “contract” perspective:

Ensure the timestamp of <file> is <now>

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Systemd also does one thing from a contract perspective: run your system

emptiestplace ,

Oh no.

:(

dukk ,

Does it do it well, though?

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

with this logic, any command that moves, copies or opens a file should just create a new file if it doesn’t exist

and now you’re just creating new files without realising just because of a typo

Kusimulkku ,

But this directly goes against that philosophy, since now instead of changing timestamps it’s also creating files

kautau , (edited )

You can pass -c to not create a file, but it does go against the philosophy that it creates them by default instead of that being an option

EDIT: Looking closer into the code, it would appear to maybe be an efficiency thing based on underlying system calls

Without that check, touch just opens a file for writing, with no other filesystem check, and closes it

With that check, touch first checks if the file exists, and then if so opens the file for writing

magic_lobster_party ,

I sometimes use cat to concatenate files. For example, add a header to a csv file without manually copy and paste it. It’s rare, but at least more frequent than using touch.

wewbull ,

<span style="color:#323232;">$ cat file1 > output_file
</span><span style="color:#323232;">$ cat file2 >> output_file
</span><span style="color:#323232;">$ cat file3 >> output_file
</span>

I’m sorry!

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

That’s its intended purpose - combining files together (the opposite of split). See the first line of the man page: man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/cat.1.html

funkajunk ,
@funkajunk@lemm.ee avatar

TIL it’s actually for changing timestamps.

www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/touch.1.html

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Wtf. All these years I thought ‘touch’ was reference to Michelangelo’s Creation of Adam.

funkajunk ,
@funkajunk@lemm.ee avatar

That’s beautiful, bro 🥲

gandalf_der_12te ,

touché

orphiebaby ,

That’s not how you use “touché”. Pet peeve of mine.

BitsOfBeard ,
@BitsOfBeard@programming.dev avatar

Touché!

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@programming.dev avatar

🇪​🇳​ 🇬​🇦​🇷​🇩​🇪​

or…

ʳᶦᵖᵒˢᵗᵉ…?

ik5pvx ,

Yes, when you are for example checking if the permissions in the directory are correct, or if you want to check if your nfs export is working. It’s one of those commands that once you know it exists, you WILL find a way to use it.

bjoern_tantau ,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Well, those aren’t really the intended use either.

tubaruco ,

what is cat’s use if not seeing whats inside a file?

Navigate ,

It is short for concatenate, which is to join things together. You can give it multiple inputs and it will output each one directly following the previous. It so happens to also work with just one input.

kautau ,

That’s why we have bat now

github.com/sharkdp/bat

0x0 ,

To bonbatenate files?

kautau ,

Exactly

DrWeevilJammer ,
@DrWeevilJammer@lemmy.ml avatar

Bat bat bo-at

Bonbaten-fana fo-fat

Fee-fi-fo-fat

Bat!

Hamartiogonic ,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Cat with wings? Isn’t a bat more like a rat with wings?

Mad_Punda ,

TIL

I never realized. Thanks!

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

It is to use along with split. e.g.

  1. You take a single large file, say 16GB
  2. Use split to break it into multiple files of 4GB
  3. Now you can transfer it to a FAT32 Removable Flash Drive and transfer it to whatever other computer that doesn’t have Ethernet.
  4. Here, you can use cat to combine all files into the original file. (preferably accompanied by a checksum)
Tangent5280 ,

Doesnt computers do this automatically if you try to copy over a file larger than its per file size limit?

Octopus1348 ,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

No. It just gives an error that it’s too big.

sqw ,
@sqw@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

i use both frequently but im also a pretty dumb user

marcos ,

When you updated a Django server, you were supposed to touch the settings.py file so the server would know to reload your code. (I haven’t used any for a long time, so I don’t know if it’s still the procedure.)

There are many small things that use it.

alexdeathway ,
@alexdeathway@programming.dev avatar

it now has a hot reload, How long ago were you using Django?

noproblemmy ,

cat

Ahhhhh, fuck. I’m quite noob with linux. I got into some rabbit hole trying to read the docs. I found 2 man pages, one is cat(1) and the other cat(1p). Apparently the 1p is for POSIX.

If someone could help me understand… As far as I could understand I would normally be concerned with (1), but what would I need to be doing to be affected by (1p)?

survivalmachine , (edited )

The POSIX standard is more portable. If you are writing scripts for your system, you can use the full features in the main man pages. If you are writing code that you want to run on other Linux systems, maybe with reduced feature sets like a tiny embedded computer or alternates to gnu tools like alpine linux, or even other unixes like the BSDs, you will have a better time if you limit yourself to POSIX-compatible features and options – any POSIX-compatible Unix-like implementation should be able to run POSIX-compliant code.

This is also why many shell scripts will call #!/bin/sh instead of #!/bin/bash – sh is more likely to be available on tinier systems than bash.

If you are just writing scripts and commands for your own purposes, or you know they will only be used on full-feature distributions, it’s often simpler and more comfortable to use all of the advanced features available on your system.

Phoenix3875 ,

If you execute a binary without specifying the path to it, it will be searched from the $PATH environment variable, which is a list of places to look for the binary. From left to right, the first found one is returned.

You can use which cat to see what it resolves to and whereis cat to get all possible results.

If you intentionally wants to use a different binary with the same name, you can either directly use its path, or prepend its path to $PATH.

zurchpet ,
@zurchpet@lemmy.ml avatar

We use it to trigger service restarts.


<span style="color:#323232;">touch tmp/service-restart.txt
</span>

Using monit to detect the timestamp change and do the actual restart command.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

This is an interesting idea to allow non-root users to restart a service. It looks like this is doable with systemd too. superuser.com/a/1531261

zurchpet ,
@zurchpet@lemmy.ml avatar

Indeed. Replacing monit with systemd for this job is still on our todo list.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

Cat is actually super useful.

Crow ,

I mean, timestamps aren’t really all that useful. Really just if you do some stuff with makefiles but even then it’s a stretch. I did once use cat for it’s intended purpose tho, for a report. We split up the individual chapters into their own files so we have an easier time with git stuff, made a script that had an array with the files in the order we wanted, gave it to cat and piped that into pandoc

NotSteve_ ,

I used it recently to update the creation date of a bunch of notes. Just wanted them to display in the correct order in Obsidian. Besides that though, always just used it for file creation lol

Anticorp ,

I use it all the time, especially in ssh on a server.

qaz ,

Yes, Nextcloud can’t sync files with a timestamp of 0

NaiveBayesian ,

Yup, stupid zip files and their directories from 1970

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t know anything about Linux but I do love touching cats

YoorWeb ,

You would love Linux cli.

Trainguyrom ,

Touch is super useful for commands that interact with a file but don’t create the file by default. For example, yesterday I needed to copy a file to a remote machine accessible over ssh so I used scp (often known as “secure copy”) but needed to touch the file in order to create it before scp would copy into it

emptiestplace ,

Sorry, what?

makingStuffForFun ,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

I use it regularly

mox ,

Creating an empty file is one of its intended purposes. Unix commands were designed as multi-purpose primitives, so they could be reused and composed to handle many different tasks. The touch command is no exception.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0&t=287s

null , in Touch a file in Linux

Is there a command that’s actually just for creating a new file?

ezchili ,

I guess printf “” > file

48954246 ,

Feels dangerous to run. What happens if the file already exists and has something important in it?

touch -a is probably better

gaterush ,

The other command could just be printf ‘’ >> file to not overwrite it. Or even simpler >>file and then interrupt

owsei ,

or :>>file then you don’t need to interrupt

4am ,

.“:>>” is “append null” right? Do you get a file with a single ASCII NUL or is it truly empty?

al177 ,

$ :|wc -c 0 $ touch /tmp/f; :>>/tmp/f; wc -c /tmp/f 0 /tmp/f

0x0 ,

Not really. I believe : is the “true” builtin. So it’s like running a program that exits with zero and writes nothing to stdout. The >> streams the empty stdout into the named file.

gaterush ,

that’s awesome, did not know about that handy operator!

owsei ,

Yeah!

it’s basically a noop, I use it as a placeholder when I’m writing a script, since bash doesn’t accept code blocks with no commands

Midnitte ,

I mean, nano filename will work, but there’s no mkfile that I can find…

$>filename would also work, but it’s not explicitly for creating a new file

gamma ,
@gamma@programming.dev avatar

Nope. If you open a nonexistent path and you have permissions to write to that directory, then that file is created.

tranzystorek_io ,
@tranzystorek_io@beehaw.org avatar

most shells will accept outputting from a silent command to a file, e.g. :> foo.txt (where : is the posix synonym to the true command)

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

How often do you actually need a blank file though? Usually you’d be writing something in the file.

null ,

I’m betting that’s why none ever materialized. Most tools that can manipulate a file, can also create that file first, so there’s just never been a usecase.

Right-clicking the desktop to create a new txt file in Windows feels so natural, but I can’t really think of any time you’d want to create a new file and do nothing with it in a CLI.

schnurrito ,

You might if some other program checks whether that file exists and behaves differently depending on that.

null ,

But even still, what’s a realistic usecase that would that involve needing a blank, unmodified file in that instance?

indepndnt ,

One use case is if you’re running a web server that is configured to return a “maintenance” page instead of the live site if a particular file exists. Which is actually pretty cool because then you don’t have to update the config when you need to do something or let your users get a bunch of 502 errors, you just touch maintenance and you’re good.

null ,

That’s a good one!

moon , in As someone not in tech, I have no idea how to refer to my tech friends' jobs

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