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Nebraska governor signs executive order defining men as "bigger, stronger and faster"

Nebraska governor Jim Pillen, a Republican not noted as a women’s rights supporter, yesterday issued an executive order “defining” males and females and the attributes thereof. The anti-transgender political grandstanding offers fusty explanations of the sexes–men are “bigger, stronger and faster” on average–in pursuit of Rowling-esque calls for sexual segregation (and even echoing her ostensibly feminist rationales) and not a lot else.

The order declares that, in matters of the state, the “biological differences between the sexes are enduring” and that the “sex” of a person will be defined by the gender designated at birth. In addition to specifically noting how boy, girl, man, and woman will be defined, the order also includes biological descriptions. …

“It is common sense that men do not belong in women’s only spaces,” Pillen said in the news release. “As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women’s athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women’s sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms.”

The reaction, at least from Democrats, is to point out that if it were enforced, the likely outcome would be Nebraska losing federal funding for womens’ shelters.

“Today Governor Pillen, famous women’s rights supporter, signed this offensive and ridiculous proclamation establishing a “Women’s Bill of Rights.” He should try saying this stuff to my face then we would see who’s got what biological advantage,” wrote State Senator Megan Hunt on Twitter.

Veraticus ,
@Veraticus@lib.lgbt avatar

All we need to do is find a woman bigger, faster, and stronger than him, and then he’s officially a woman by his own legislation.

Carvex ,

And women are worthless stay-at-home breed mares to them so I guess they should get a new Governor.

PS I’d pay good money to watch Britney Griner kick his ass.

Wogi ,

We tried. By God we tried.

Discount Lex luthor termed out and it was a three way race for the Republican nomination.

Democrats will never win the state again so it was a game of who’s the least awful Republican?

Residents of Omaha and the surrounding area flocked to change their registration to Republican to vote in the primary. A moderate who wasn’t fucking insane was running and we tried our hardest to get him the seat. The other two were so similar we thought they’d split the crazy vote and the moderates would win out.

He came in 3rd, by a wide margin.

solidgrue ,
@solidgrue@lemmy.world avatar

But why not does that larger woman simply eat the Governor?

0110010001100010 ,
@0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

Is there an unexpected Futurama lemmy community somewhere? That was solid, lol

Brunbrun6766 ,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

Futurama is always expected

jtk ,
@jtk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

The internet needs to flood his inbox with challenges from women that would destroy him at arm wrestling.

ShittyKopper ,

horny subtextdon’t play into the game this is all part of the long con to get strong dommy women to slide into his dms

themeatbridge ,

Something about him makes me think he’d be into that.

somedude5 ,

I’m not agreeing with this legislation but it does say “bigger, stronger, faster on average”

Veraticus ,
@Veraticus@lib.lgbt avatar

That’s true. But “on average” in circumstances like this is meaningless; “on average,” a person is male. But I think we can agree that some women do exist.

Car ,

On average, a person is female.

www.statista.com/…/us-population-by-gender/#:~:te….

Veraticus ,
@Veraticus@lib.lgbt avatar

Whoops thanks!

WoodenBleachers ,
@WoodenBleachers@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

It’s not meaningless, we have a quantifiable metric and we average it. Men are stronger than women on average

eupraxia ,
@eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s not meaningless, but not meaningful enough for a legislative definition of sex. The law must be consistently applicable to people who aren’t “average”.

Serdan ,

It’s meaningless in terms of legislation and enforcement.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

But I think we can agree that some women do exist.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8O4UWeAglU

deft ,

This will make it so the state can only have the “One True Man of Nebraska”

solstice ,

We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world’s first bionic woman. Better than she was before

jscummy ,

Gabi Garcia is a 6’2" 210 pound MMA fighter, think we could send her over there and see what he says

mateomaui ,

Counterpoint: Ben Shapiro

bartolomeo ,
@bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

What’s with the Ben Shapiro jokes here? I know who he is and I’ve read some of his (often comically) idiotic takes on world events, but care to explain it as it relates to this topic?

mateomaui ,

properly answering that would require spending entirely too much time talking about Ben Shapiro, this will have to do

https://i.imgur.com/oMuJmG1.jpg

iheartneopets ,

He’s a right wing pundit who claims to only care about “facts” and “logic” to make himself seem more intelligent and credible to his base. Of course, none of his views hold up to much scrutiny, showing that he doesn’t actually care about facts and logic, meaning that really he’s just another bigot.

That would be pathetic enough, except that he’s kind of the king of self-burns. Like, shit the CIA couldn’t get out of most people. You should look up ‘ben shapiro WAP’. It’s fucking hilarious that he felt the need to commentate on the song in the first place, but the things he said solidified him as a meme. “Wet ass p-word” is a classic quote, and the fact that he admitted to his wife telling him that being that wet isn’t normal is hysterical.

mateomaui ,

damn I totally forgot about the WAP self-own, good stuff, for everyone except his wife obviously

mateomaui ,

One of the most amusing things about him is how he routinely “destroys” people with debate superiority and yet he does what he does now because he completely failed as a hollywood nepo baby screenwriter or some shit… so now he just complains all the time about inequality for white men and wokeness like a leaky helium balloon, telling women to stay in their lane and making bad related predictions, like saying the Barbie movie will burn out after a week or so from irrelevance, only to see it top a billion in sales. Dude can’t help punching himself in the nuts on the regular.

bartolomeo ,
@bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

Cool thanks for explaining.

givesomefucks ,

The order declares that, in matters of the state, the “biological differences between the sexes are enduring” and that the “sex” of a person will be defined by the gender designated at birth.

That makes zero fucking sense

Wogi ,

This means that insecure men in Nebraska can now go in to the dive bar they get drunk at starting at 1030 AM, and hit on any woman in the place without fear of her secretly having a penis.

Not that there are any women in that bar, that they’d ever have a chance at taking one home, or, that this executive order actually means any of that. But the idiots who support this kind of thing will think it does.

StandingCat ,
@StandingCat@lemmy.world avatar

God i hate living here, because this is exactly how the rest of the idiots here think. But it’s too expensive to move right now.

Wogi ,

My wife didn’t want to move to Minnesota, so we bought a house here, and aren’t likely to leave now. Had I not met her when I did I likely would have left a few years ago.

Blamemeta ,

XX vs XY.

I think you’re thinking of gender.

givesomefucks ,

I think you don’t know how often it’s not one of those two, and if someone is going to get to pick, maybe we should also let individuals pick for themselves too.

Edit:

Looked at that profile…

Pretty sure you don’t think at all, easiest block of the week. Have fun shouting hated into the void

Blamemeta ,

I do. Less than a percent of a percent. It’s so rare, we can effectively handle it on a case by case basis, and not bog ourselves down in pedantry.

Wogi ,

I got it. I have a perfect solution. The perfect definition to solve all debate.

Man is a featherless bird.

Wogi ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4d857a2f-b1ce-47c1-bb9b-5b8e1c22415d.jpeg

BEHOLD MAN

Drivebyhaiku ,

You are thinking of sex. Gender comes from the same root as genre - like how you categorize books. It was initially used to define things loosely by cultural traits like “tribe” or “type” and was used in the 15 century to describe men and women in a tongue in cheek way. Basically saying “the tribe of woman” right before trying to be witty about how women don’t make any sense because they are like another culture. Other uses would have been to distinguish differences between any different nations, families, groups. So your gendre could have been “English” or “From this specific village where they eat a lot of cheese” or of a social class.

The word got hijacked by Victorian sensibilities which used it euphemistically in that “tribe of” way for the word sex because having a woman saying the word sex aloud to a room in the scientific sense of the word caused monocles to shoot out of men’s eyesockets at lethal speeds and early feminists needed language they could use without being censored… But the modern usage of gender is not a euphemism for sex. They are two distinct words.

Gender does not concern itself with any part of the person’s body. It refers more to classification by cultural attributes. Like how you would decide if a book belongs in the mystery section or romance. Whether the book is hard or soft cover is not relevant to genre classification in the same way male /female/intersex is largely irrelevant in regards to gender classification.

Blamemeta ,

Im not disagreeing with you? Sex is the physical body, xx/xy/others, gender is the societal/mental.

Car ,

I wonder if you can legally change genders with this. If you’re a woman who’s bigger, stronger, and faster than the average male in Nebraska, then you satisfy this biological condition set forth in law.

door_in_the_face ,

Transition by combat!

cyberfae ,

This is way too funny!

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

The nazis are back, Russia’s trying its best to cause WW3, our rights are dropping like flies, oligarchs have become cartoonishly overt in fucking the rest of us cuz they know we’ll just bend over and take it, and we’re literally cooking our planet with cow farts and dinosaur juice to the point that its ability to support life is rapidly approaching a hard stop.

…and the thing we’re putting our energy into is the dangly bits in our pants.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Just as God intended

Rozauhtuno ,
@Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The nazis are back

They never left, they were bidding their time.

lemmyseikai ,

While I know what you meant I am just imagining Nazis sitting at a table playing poker with seconds XD

bemenaker ,

Unfortunately, this isn’t the comedy version where they hid in a secret base on the moon.

phoenixz ,

All this is just smoke and mirrors. These governors don’t give a shit about any of this. However, their rabblerousing bases do, so they pull this shit because they know it’ll keep the press and protestors busy enough so they don’t look at the real issues. It’s easy to rob a man or woman blind if they are busy protesting some nonsense stupidity you out up there to distract them.

luthis ,

An enlightened one.

Duamerthrax ,

So if a body builder woman beats him up in one-on-one combat, he’ll have to be redefined as a women? Where’s the Celebrity Death Match reboot?

pdxfed ,

I think he would be arrested for violating his gender assigned at birth?

Duamerthrax ,

All the more motivation for “him” to put up a good fight.

Muetzenman ,
@Muetzenman@feddit.de avatar

The order sayes “on average”

CandyPants ,

Out of all of the problems we have, this joker decided this made up one was actually worth his energy and effort. What a fucking stupid time to be alive.

asteriskeverything ,

And he wouldn’t even be wrong because this shit is what conservative voters now days thanks to how their media networks made it into this frenzy.

Fedizen ,

This is anti-twink legislation, Ben Shapiro can’t live up to this.

gnuplusmatt ,

So in Nebraska a two men with a measurable difference in size and strength in a relationship are actually heterosexual?

Delusional ,

That guy definitely watches trans porn daily.

30mag ,

Headline is clickbait. The executive order does not define men as “bigger, stronger, and faster,” and the headline contains zero information about how the executive order actually does define “sex”. This shit really gets under my skin. Misinformation like this makes it more difficult to educate people about what is wrong with the system, why it needs to be changed, and the actions necessary to change it. It greatly reduces a person’s ability to advocate for a cause effectively.

The bigger, stronger, faster part is in the section of the order called the preamble, not part of the definition. The preamble is all the WHEREAS shit you see at the beginning of bills and explains the rationale for the bill, or executive order as is the case here.

A preamble may be inserted between the title and the enacting clause of a bill for multiple reasons: to explain the state of affairs that caused the bill to be introduced; to make clear the purpose of the bill; as a sales pitch to improve the chances of enactment; or to serve some other purpose of the sponsor. A preamble is not a part of the enacted bill.[source - pdf warning]

In this instance, the preamble is grandstanding, and the article even refers to it as such:

Nebraska governor Jim Pillen, a Republican not noted as a women’s rights supporter, yesterday issued an executive order “defining” males and females and the attributes thereof. The anti-transgender political grandstanding offers fusty explanations of the sexes–men are “bigger, stronger and faster” on average–in pursuit of Rowling-esque calls for sexual segregation (and even echoing her ostensibly feminist rationales) and not a lot else.

Here’s the preamble, which doesn’t mean shit:

WHEREAS, males and females possess unique and immutable biological differences that manifest prior to birth and increase as they age and experience puberty;
WHEREAS, biological differences between the sexes mean that males are, on average, bigger, stronger, and faster than females;
WHEREAS, women have achieved inspirational and significant accomplishments in education, athletics, and employment;
WHEREAS, biological differences between the sexes are enduring and may, in some circumstances, warrant the creation of separate social, educational, athletic, or other spaces in order to ensure safety and/or to allow members of each sex to succeed and thrive; and
WHEREAS, inconsistencies in court rulings and policy initiatives with respect to the definitions of “sex,” “male,” “female,” “man,” and “woman” have led to endangerment of single-sex spaces and resources, thereby necessitating clarification of certain terms.

This is the part that contains information about defining someone’s “sex”, and is actually enacted:

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Jim Pillen, Governor of the State of Nebraska, under and pursuant to the authority vested in the Governor by the Constitution and the laws of the State of Nebraska, do hereby order and direct the following:

  1. In the promulgation of administrative rules, enforcement of administrative decisions, and the adjudication of disputes by administrative agencies, boards, and commissions, all state agencies, boards, and commissions when using the following terms shall, to the fullest extent permitted by law, define them as follows:
    a. a person’s “sex” is defined as his or her biological sex (either male or female) at birth;
    b. a “female” is an individual whose biological reproductive system is developed to produce ova; a “male” is an individual whose biological reproductive system is developed to fertilize the ova of a female;
    a. [sic] “woman” and “girl” refer to human females, and the terms “man” and “boy” refer to human males;
    b. [sic] the word “mother” is defined as a parent of the female sex and “father” is defined as a parent of the male sex;
  2. There are legitimate reasons to distinguish between the sexes with respect to athletics, prisons or other detention facilities, domestic violence shelters, rape crisis centers, locker rooms, restrooms, and other areas where biology, safety, and/or privacy are implicated;
  3. Any public school or school district and any state agency, department, or office that collects vital statistics for the purpose of complying with antidiscrimination laws or for the purpose. of gathering accurate public health, crime, economic, or other data shall identify each individual who is part of the collected data set as either male or female at birth.
    This Executive Order shall become effective immediately and shall expire upon the effective date of state law governing participation of biological males in female athletics and prescribing environments where single-sex dedicated services and/or facilities should be provided.
    IN WITNESS THEREOF, I hereunto set my hand and cause the Seal of the State of Nebraska to be affixed this 30^th^ day of August, 2023.
dragonflyteaparty ,

I honestly think that’s semantics. If the preamble doesn’t matter, then why is it there? Why have it if it doesn’t mean anything? Just because one is called a preamble and one a definition doesn’t mean that people won’t use either as the “real” definition. Maybe you could have argued that several years ago, but you certainly can’t now.

30mag ,

I may be incorrect, but I do not believe this is sematic.

If the preamble doesn’t matter, then why is it there? Why have it if it doesn’t mean anything?

I had a short explanation in my comment: A preamble may be inserted between the title and the enacting clause of a bill for multiple reasons: to explain the state of affairs that caused the bill to be introduced; to make clear the purpose of the bill; as a sales pitch to improve the chances of enactment; or to serve some other purpose of the sponsor.

Just because one is called a preamble and one a definition doesn’t mean that people won’t use either as the “real” definition.

The actions the government are to take to enact this order are described after this portion of the order:

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Jim Pillen, Governor of the State of Nebraska, under and pursuant to the authority vested in the Governor by the Constitution and the laws of the State of Nebraska, do hereby order and direct the following:

That does not include the preamble.

dragonflyteaparty ,

I do see what you’re saying, but I’m talking about it in practice of the current political climate, not the ideal, normal way of doing things.

funkless_eck ,

IANAL but isn’t there an issue with “if any data is collected it must define someone as a man or a woman” doesn’t allow there to be an “unknown.” Therefore you could potentially skew things like crime or Healthcare statistics by counting all unknowns as one gender or the other.

Secondly, the definition “shall identify each individual… as male or female at birth” also provides a problem as one presumably can now kick back a whole bunch of stuff with the message “yes but this data doesn’t contain their sex at birth, please provide birth certificates for all 128,323 members of this list”

30mag ,

isn’t there an issue with “if any data is collected it must define someone as a man or a woman” doesn’t allow there to be an “unknown.”

It seems so to me.

SCB ,

We all knew where this was going and making fun of the preamble is way more fun than going “well shit there’s another state ruining lives.”

30mag ,

My apologies. Carry on.

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not from there and didn’t know where it was going, and this user’s explanation is very important, I’m glad they shared it <3

synae ,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Daft Punk could not be reached for comment

FinalBoy1975 ,

South Park the Movie was also not answering the phone.

DocBlaze ,

is it bad that I thought of the Kanye West song first instead of the original

synae ,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

i’m no expert but i’ll gonna say… yes

Laticauda ,

Yes

ZeroCool ,

You mean prominent neo-Nazi Kanye West?

csolisr ,

I thought you were gonna talk about Grant Kirkhope’s magnum opus, the DK Rap. You know, because of the “He’s bigger, and faster, and stronger too, he’s the first member of the DK Crew! Huh!”

A_A , (edited )
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

@Wogi wrote in here 6h ago :

There’s no legal reason to define the genders, no ongoing court drama in Nebraska that hinges on this definition, nothing legally will ever be decided because of it. It’s just one idiot shouting out to a bunch of other idiots that he doesn’t like it when people who were born with one set of genitals want to have a different set of genitals.

What this will accomplish is added brain drain, an issue Nebraska sorely needs a remedy to, it will cost millions in court cases that will now be filed against the state and the governor, and it will cost women’s centers in Nebraska Federal money. All while doing absolutely nothing worthwhile for the state of Nebraska.

It’s Jim Pillen saying he wants a fight with a minority group. And it’s an idiotic call to arms at that.

N.B. : This excellent comment was unfortunately part of a thread which was deleted by the mod. I read the other comments in this post and, compared to the above, they’re mostly not worth one cent.

A_A ,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

Confetti // Charlotte Cardin
Always been loud in a quiet way
I always feel alone in a crowded place
I always wanna stay, wanna go, wanna stay, lwanna go
I don’t know
I don’t know

I get sad on my birthday
I wanna talk back in the worst way
I always wanna stay, wanna go, wanna stay, wanna go
I don’t know what to say
I wanna throw it all away

I feel like a zombie, I’ll die at the party
Yeah, you’ll find my body fully covered in confetti
I tried calling somebody to tell them come get me
But you’ll find my body fully covered in confetti
Singing la da da da da

La da da da da
La da da da da
La da da da da

Find me in the club looking golden
I know everyone, I got no friends
I always wanna stay, wanna go, wanna stay, wanna go
I don’t know
I don’t know

And I never know what to say
'Til I’m already walking away
Wanna punch you in the face
But I won’t, but I might, but I won’t
And I don’t wanna play
I wanna throw it all away

I feel like a zombie, I’ll die at the party
Yeah, you’ll find my body fully covered in confetti
I tried calling somebody to tell them come get me
But you’ll find my body fully covered in confetti
Singing la da da da da

La da da da da
La da da da da
La da da da da

Look at the people, they’re crazy
Look at the people, they’re crazy
Look at the people, they’re crazy
Look at their pupils dilating
Look at the people, they’re crazy (crazy)

I feel like a zombie, I’ll die at the party
Yeah, you’ll find my body fully covered in confetti
I tried calling somebody to tell them come get me
But you’ll find my body fully covered in confetti
Singing la da da da da

Maeve ,

Thank you for sharing that.

Nikki ,
@Nikki@lemmy.world avatar

yeah cuz im such a big scary guy in my striped thigh highs, weighing in at 120 pounds

i can run away in a flash though :3

TokyoMonsterTrucker ,

Meanwhile, legislation like this also forces the Buck Angels of the world to use women’s restrooms. It’s all so fucking stupid. Kids are statistically in more danger from a priest or youth pastor.

WHYAREWEALLCAPS ,

Or politician.

bemenaker ,

or republicans.

luthis ,

What colour stripes?

Nikki ,
@Nikki@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve got blue ones and pink ones

luthis ,

Nice.

MossyFeathers ,

Apparently, from what I’m reading, this will also potentially cause women’s shelters to lose federal funding. They aren’t legally allowed to discriminate against trans-women, which means they’ll be disqualified for getting funding.

cyberfae ,

For them, this might be considered a feature rather than a bug.

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