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Got_Bent ,

And naturally it looks like Mike Johnson will lead legal challenges to a new Democrat candidate being on the ballot in battle ground states.

kandoh ,

That might be too ugly a look even for a republican.

Got_Bent ,

There’s a whole thread about it somewhere on Lemmy. I don’t think anything is too ugly a look, especially after attempts to keep Trump off the ballot in Colorado because of his thirty four felony convictions. It’ll be all both sides rhetoric again.

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

…fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

twinnie ,

He’s just endorsed Harris.

slickgoat ,

Well, the Trump team has been panicking in anticipation of this happening. They have already started launching law suits trying to stop it. The biggest scare they had was Biden’s age and that may have just vaporised?

BallsandBayonets ,

If nothing else, this should be a sign that Biden stepping aside was the right move.

kandoh ,

It looks good that the democrat is willing to give up power. People do notice that sort of stuff.

Zaktor ,

“President Biden put his country first and stepped aside. When Donald Trump was told by the voters to get lost, he called on his followers to march on the capitol.”

confusedbytheBasics ,

Source on the lawsuits? I need to broadcast that

slickgoat ,

Damn it, I was only reading about that this morning. Now I shall have to try and find it. Give me a few.

slickgoat ,

seattletimes.com/…/trump-campaign-prepares-attack…

slickgoat ,

www.notus.org/…/biden-heritage-republicans

merc ,

OTOH, Biden countered a lot of their favourite lines of attack.

He was a white, catholic man who was obviously not rich. They couldn’t attack his religious beliefs without inviting comparisons to Trump. They couldn’t attack his race or his sex. They couldn’t make him out to be a threat to American values, when his image was always very friendly and loving.

They’re going to go hard on Kamala being the “DEI” candidate. They’re going to go hard on her not being Christian (whether or not she is, they’re going to imply that she isn’t, just like they claimed that non-white Obama was a muslim). There are tons of lines of attack that are now open to them because they’re not running against Biden anymore.

Nobody knows how this is going to turn out. It all depends on how undecided people vote. And, if you’re undecided at this stage, you’re an absolute moron. Who can predict the vote of the low-information moron voter?

Zaktor ,

And now Trump is the dangerously old one. Hammer it home. He’s incoherent and a hamburger away from death.

xnx ,

Its extremely worrying he didnt announce who is replacing him. This election might wnd up being decided by the supreme court after republicans challenge the replacement in the courts

CosmoNova ,

He just gave media something to speculate on for the next couple hours or days. It’s much more effective that way because who cares about Trump right now?

mosiacmango ,

He just endorsed Harris, but I expect they will still let it go to the convention.

iz_ok ,

Harris had a meeting with the financial backers a few days ago. It would probably be easier for the funds to go to her campaign then if someone fresh started. One of the arguments for Biden to stick around was that the new candidate would have to raise nearly a billion dollars to even have a chance at winning.

yumpsuit ,

It would probably be easier for the funds to go to her campaign then if someone fresh started.

You’re correct. AP:

What happens to Biden’s campaign money?

Biden’s campaign recently reported $91 million cash on hand. Allied Democratic campaign committees brought the total at his disposal to more than $240 million. Campaign finance experts agree generally that Harris could control all those funds since the campaign was set up in her name as well as Biden’s. If Democrats do nominate someone other than Harris, party accounts could still benefit the nominee, but the Biden-Harris account would have more restrictions. For example, legal experts say it could become an independent expenditure political action committee but not simply transfer its balance to a different nominee.

cyborganism ,

I don’t understand you people in this thread.

Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race and give the place to someone else.

Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing? Are you for real? They’re doing EXACTLY what people have been asking for. They’re doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.

Fucking hell you guys, make up your fucking mind.

Sincerely,

A Canadian with severe anxiety over your next presidential election.

alvvayson ,

Well, to be fair, he should have stepped down a year ago, or at least 3 months ago. I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.

Anyway, I respect Biden. I honestly think he was a better president than Obama, Bush, Trump and Clinton. Perhaps the best since Carter or JFK.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.

You’re correct, he did. Everyone forgot that for some reason. Note that this article is from 2019:

www.politico.com/news/…/biden-single-term-082129

Blackbeard ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

Another top Biden adviser put it this way: “He’s going into this thinking, ‘I want to find a running mate I can turn things over to after four years but if that’s not possible or doesn’t happen then I’ll run for reelection.’ But he’s not going to publicly make a one term pledge.”

That source does not say what you’re claiming it says.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Which is ironic, because he picked Harris then used her as the bearer of bad news at every single opportunity.

shasta ,

So add those together and it implies he doesn’t think Harris has the chops. But, to be fair, if that was actually the plan, they would’ve given her much more PR over the last 4 years.

dariusj18 ,

If it weren’t Trump running I think he would have stepped aside. He believed in 2019, and probably still believes now, that he has the best chance against Trump and that Trump is a singularly existential threat.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

It feels like they have explicitly tried to prevent Kamala from getting positive coverage throughout.

merc ,

it implies he doesn’t think Harris has the chops

Or that he changed his mind. Or that his assurances to aides that he wouldn’t run for a second term were just to shut them up.

Power is seductive, and I think it’s pretty likely that once he became president, he convinced himself that he was still the best one for the job, and that he uniquely deserved to continue to govern.

vxx ,

Well, he didn’t lie.

OldWoodFrame ,

He very specifically did not say publicly that he would be a 1 term president. Talking through the idea with aides and someone leaking it does not equal a campaign promise.

This is a new decision, obviously. He is going to be a 1 term president. But he never promised it.

MegaUltraChicken ,

abcnews.go.com/Politics/…/story?id=67662497

bolexforsoup ,

Your own source contradicts this claim…doesn’t look like we forgot about anything.

MegaUltraChicken ,

I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.

He specifically denied that when asked. To be fair he did say he was a “bridge to a new generation” or something, that’s where I think a lot of people are getting this one term commitment thing from.

abcnews.go.com/Politics/…/story?id=67662497

spaghettiwestern ,

Biden definitely learned something from watching the Republicans screw Obama again and again.

GreyEyedGhost ,

All the sane countries can do their elections in less than a year, possibly because the stagecoach is no longer the best transportation or communication option anymore. If you guys didn’t run it like American Fucking Idol, maybe it wouldn’t be this difficult.

Now I’ll go sit in the corner and hope for the best for you guys while waiting to see if my country shits the bed in a year.

njm1314 ,

Yes some of us been paying attention to who is backing him and who wasn’t. Some of us had noticed that all the leftists in the party were still behind Joe Biden while all the neoliberals weren’t. Some of us have noticed that the president who has protected worker rights and expanded consumer protection and wants to tax the wealthy is getting pushed out by the corporate Democrats.

archomrade ,

None of those things matter if he can’t campaign effectively to beat his opponent.

njm1314 ,

That’s true, which is why I’m voting for whoever replaces them. I just can’t view this as a victory.

dank ,

Lol. Yeah, leftists have famously supported Genocide Joe unconditionally. /s

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

They probably think liberals are leftists.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

abcnews.go.com/Politics/…/story?id=112129063

Because it will be contested.

ShepherdPie ,

Just like everything else? They also contested the 2020 election but that doesn’t mean they actually had the truth or law on their side. I don’t know why you’re giving any weight to what Mike Johnson says.

dvoraqs ,

The Democratic candidate is chosen at the convention, which hasn’t happened yet. What would a legal contest even be based on?

catloaf ,

It doesn’t matter. They can make up whatever justification they want and drag it through the court system. Maybe they get it up to the Supreme Court and get the win handed to them like in Bush v. Gore.

Zaktor ,

If you think things are that off the rails then it doesn’t matter whether this is the inciting event or something else because they’re completely disconnected from even the premise of law.

catloaf ,

It certainly seems to be that way.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Booooo

NocturnalMorning ,

I didn’t say any of that. With only four months until the election, I think this is kind of dumb.

TSG_Asmodeus ,
@TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

It absolutely blows my (Canadian) mind that four months is considered ‘short’ for a campaign.

kautau ,

Do you elect new leaders every three months?

ECB ,

In most European countries governments are elected for 3-6 years (though they may end up happening more frequently since, most places, it’s possible to call early elections). The campaigning only really happens for 1-2 months before the election.

The fact that the US essentially spends 1.5-2 years campaigning for a 4 year position is insanity to me!

kautau , (edited )

That’s pretty interesting, thanks for sharing. It probably also has to do with a more strict balance of power. Our president is now our king, but really it’s only the presidential election that has constant campaigning for the next election. It’s ok now though, we’ll no longer need that, as our king will choose the next one

aesthelete ,

Our president is now our king, but really it’s only the presidential election that has constant campaigning for the next election.

This isn’t really true. Campaigning takes up a large amount of time for even house members. They have two year terms and they spend much of that fending off primary challenges and then campaigning for the general election.

kautau ,

Maybe that’s internal? I don’t see much house or senate campaigning until the months lead up to the elections (ad spends, yard signs, rallies, etc) though I will agree they are likely working on it the whole time

aesthelete ,

It’s portions internal for sure, but yeah it’s happening the whole time basically. Increasingly all elections are becoming nationalized and about national issues rather than something about the actual locality being “served”.

Most house politicians spend all of the time they aren’t in Washington doing fundraising and other campaign related activities. Some (like AOC) try to actually help their communities during these times and fundraise or organize on that basis.

kautau ,

Makes sense. I wish more politicians would combine fundraising or organizing with ways to help those they were voted to represent.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

It’s also not true because, in England/the UK, at least, the King was established as not being above the law by the Magna Carta and when Charles I tried to dispute that they cut his head off. The autocracy that the USA is setting up is far worse than a monarchy.

Strykker ,

No but the canadian entire election cycle lasts about 2

dave ,
@dave@feddit.uk avatar

UK just went from announcement to election day in 6 weeks. But then, there wasn’t much point dragging it out any longer, was there Rishi ;)

TSG_Asmodeus ,
@TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

No.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Boooooo I support this move!

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

Dumb to not let Trump win? Cause that is what was going to happen if he stayed in.

NocturnalMorning ,

Oh, you have a crystal ball and already saw what happened in the future?

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

Yes I do. Thanks for asking.

catloaf ,

Those are not necessarily the same people.

But there is no good option here. The good option would have been to run a good candidate over a year ago. That time has obviously long since passed.

MelodiousFunk ,

The good option would have been to run a good candidate over a year ago.

“Eight years ago” is indeed “over a year ago.”

dead horse pummeling sounds

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

The US “election cycle” is insane. You don’t need to be running a candidate over a year before the election. 3 months is more than enough time to tell people who your candidate is and what they are running on, and you have more than 3 months.

Yes, it would have been better to announce earlier, but jesus christ he is too fucking old for this shit. Stepping back now is still better than pushing through.

Tryptaminev ,

The longer the cycle is made, the more people can be distracted from the actual politics and the more it matters who gets the most money.

Zaktor ,

Especially with how calcified the voting population is. Each candidate has something like a 44% floor of people who already know they’re going to vote for “the Democratic candidate” and the only question is how many of them actually go to the polls and what the remaining randos decide. And only in a handful of swing states. Most of the system is already predetermined.

takeda ,

Well now we have an old fascist, convicted felon, geezer that has no business running the country.

dpkonofa ,

Bro, we start selling a Christmas decorations in July in the US. People need to be making money off this shit.

tburkhol ,

You can’t just launder $2B of campaign contributions overnight. You need a year or two to filter it credibly through pundits, consultants, pollsters, and advertisers.

localme ,

I agree the timeframe isn’t the main issue. It’s more concerning that the nominee isn’t getting selected through the primaries/caucuses where actual voters are involved in choosing the nominee.

apprehensively_human ,

One thing I appreciate about Canadian elections is how quickly they happen. An election is called, campaigning is like a month or two and then we find out the new government just hours after casting our votes.

WoahWoah ,

You’re a non-global superpower with a total population smaller than California, 90% of which lives 100 miles or less from the US border. It would be bizarre if your elections were as complicated as the United States.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Are American politicians visiting each citizen individually? The internet exists, population size does not limit how quickly you can get information out.

porous_grey_matter ,

This is your brain on American exceptionalism lmao

WoahWoah ,

The United States isn’t an exception here. There are many other countries with larger populations and/or that have dramatic geopolitical influence. Canada just isn’t one of them.

TheTetrapod ,

Isn’t the UK’s voting process basically identical to Canada’s?

takeda ,

US elections are definitively complicated, but for no good reason. It is a lot because of the complex old laws, traditions, first-past-the-post and that primary elections don’t happen together but individually in different states over a period of one year.

If we would just use the popular vote to decide the election and use ranked choice voting we would have election done much faster and would pickup a candidate, that most people would be happy with.

RCV already showed in Alaska that it makes it very hard for the least desirable candidate to win when there are two better candidates that people are divided over (i.e. with FPTP Palin (who most Alaskans hate) would normally win)

Krauerking ,

It’s been chaos in the comments for a while now this is just catharsis for a lot of people and reaffirming for some of the naysayers.
You are gonna see a lot of takes from a lot of terminally online types.

Now just comes the actual work and it’s gonna look chaotic for a while. I hope we get it together.

archomrade ,

You’re seeing the people who either didn’t agree he should step down or agreed but didn’t think they’d actually do it.

takeda ,

IMO what is happening are disinformation bots trying to discourage people from voting.

It was first that you should stay home and not vote, because Democrats put an “old geezer who is not aware what is happening around him”, now the same bots will be saying how Democrats were cheated by deciding their candidate without input of the voters, trying to replicate the upset that was over Bernie in 2016.

IMO I think Biden was excellent at governing, and no one will be as good as him when taking with foreign leaders, as he knew them all and had a good relation with them.

Having said that I will be voting for whomever Democrats put up (Kamala or anyone). I already got fooled to vote 3rd party in 2016 and won’t make the same mistake.

Someonelol ,
@Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

All of this should have been done a couple years ago for presidential hopefuls to gather resources and prepare for the elections. The assumption that Biden was seeking a second term stalled a lot of minor steps needed to build a campaign. Biden stepping down a month before the DNC is gonna be a shit show. Who’s gonna run for becoming a candidate? How are they gonna fundraise quickly enough to get the word out? This is a clusterfuck of poorly timed decisions and I only hope the new candidate can gather enough support to win the presidential election. Given the Democratic party’s penchant of favoring people from their inner circle, I doubt they’ll be well received by the general public to begin with.

Traejen ,

Non-issue. Kamala Harris is the heir apparent.

thejoker954 ,

Who is a black woman. Which means that unfortunately she has a pretty steep uphill battle to win the presidency.

In fact I think it would drive more of the non voting republicans to the polls.

lagomorphlecture ,

Honest question, are there that many non voting Republicans? They tend to be pretty rabid.

whoreticulture ,

Obama won pretty hard though despite the racism, there were more people excited to see a black president than there were racists (although obviously there as a lot of vocal racism as well).

If Kamala tells a convincing story, I could see it working well.

Tacos_y_margaritas ,

Kamala can have access to Biden’s fundraising, and now all the GOP talking points are mute. I think it’s actually quite effective if they run Kamala. Also, she will eviscerate Trump in a debate, unlike Biden.

PugJesus ,

Many of the people involved in such agitation are not arguing in good faith. They simply want to attack the ‘libs’ at every opportunity, and reality be damned.

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

Not speaking for the rest of the thread, but…

  1. Biden should have said he wasn’t up for reelección since day 1
  2. The Democratic Party hasn’t known what to do since the 2016 election… at least.
projectsquared ,

I haven’t known what to do since the 2016 election. The “Fuck your feelings” bunch are clearly in their feels and ignoring documented events in what most of us call “reality “.

bolexforsoup ,

The Democratic Party hasn’t known what to do since the 2016 election…at least

The Democrats have won nationally in 2018, 2020, arguably 2022, and like 85% of special elections since 2016. What the fuck are you talking about? They’ve been basically non-stop winning elections since 2016.

HiddenLife ,

Not only that, Republicans often begin undermining their opponent’s reputation from day one, spending nearly four years focused on convincing the public that Biden is ineffective. Now, all that effort is erased at the most crucial time of the election. They no longer have years to shape public perception. This sets the stage for a fairer fight, and Harris is a more compelling speaker than Biden. I believe It was a good play.

Tacos_y_margaritas ,

I saw some articles that Trump is furious that Biden dropped out. I think Trump is very aware of this.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

And yet we still don’t have abortion protections, gunshot wounds are the #1 cause of death in children, the housing market is on fire, the “minimum wage should be $15” conversation has been going on for so long that it should be nearly $30 now, there is an activist republican supermajority in the SCOTUS, and there are openly fascist candidates as republican front runners because the Overton window has shifted so far right.

Democrats haven’t been winning elections because people have been excited about good democrat candidates; They have been winning because democrat voters are terrified of a republican in office.

takeda ,

Biden was perfectly fine and IMO and him and his team do an excellent job at governing l, both domestically as well as with foreign policy (this looks like it was mostly him). He just let go of the pressure.

I would vote for him (not just against trump, but I genuinely think he was good at his job), but will vote for whomever will be the replacement (because I don’t want trump to win).

chrischryse ,

They’re doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.

How would this help them win exactly? I’m not really well tuned with politics

lone_faerie ,

It was becoming more and more apparent that Biden didn’t stand a chance of winning, so staying in would’ve just handed the presidency to Trump. Now that he’s dropped out, the Democratic party can at least do something.

takeda ,

That was the narrative pushed by media and bots. According to www.270towin.com it doesn’t look like even assassination attempt had any impact. Also the polls really start to matter after conventions.

morphballganon ,

Lemmy posters are not a monolith.

floofloof ,

I am.

Zaktor ,

Lemmy posters are not a monolith. They are many monoliths interacting with the internet via psychic emanations from atop lonely hillocks in places where mankind fears to tread.

SpaceNoodle ,

Americans aren’t a monolith.

Kroxx ,

Personally the best news I’ve heard in a while. I think there is a little bit of a knee jerk reaction happening because a lot is on the line and people are scared because it’s such an unknown right now. When things settle more and the smoke clears I think everything will be more positive.

danc4498 ,

I’m excited AF… maybe the people you’re reading are republican plants that are just trying to make it feel like chaos.

The fact that this happened the weekend after the RNC makes me feel it was very well planned.

ashok36 ,

Lemmy, as opposed to reddit, has seemed to be very much on the Keep Biden train for some reason.

I for one will be happy with any candidate that can do two to three campaign appearances per day for the next four months and doesn’t have the Genocide Joe baggage. Everything else is gravy.

theangryseal , (edited )

I personally just said last week that I believed only Biden was capable of beating Trump, so I’m feeling pretty sick right now. God, I hope I’m wrong.

We haaaaaavvvvvve to see this example and set a damn age limit for people to hold such high positions in our country. Old dude may have very well just sent us down an irreversible and utterly destructive path by seeking the office in the first place.

I know Bernie Sanders is old too, but damn I wish he had won the nomination. We wouldn’t be in this crisis right now. Still though, it’s a gamble electing people who are already waist deep in their grave.

Man

What a strange and historic month this has been. We’re all living in a very big moment in history right now, just, all the way around.

Tacos_y_margaritas ,

I remember talking, to my liberal, Hispanic friend prior to the 2016 election. It was just before the primary and she was complaining that she didn’t really like Hilary, but she was straight up afraid of Trump. I said “what about Bernie” and she said, “Isn’t he too old?” I lost touch with her after that, and I have no idea how she ended up voting.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I actually feel good about these news. I don’t get all the criticism.

fishos ,
@fishos@lemmy.world avatar

I think part of the reason it feels like “wtf are you doing?!?” is because we were really saying “Joe needs to step the fuck up or step aside” and then in the last week he’s thrown some absolute hard hits at Trump making it look like “holy shit, we got old Joe back!”. Then suddenly after appearing to wake up, he goes “nah, I’m good.”.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad he’s stepping aside. But it’s been a bit of a rollercoaster and not a very consistent message. They kept telling us to shut up and follow Biden and anyone who doesn’t is supporting facism and then suddenly, “nah, not Biden, it’s cool”? You can’t pump a rhetoric machine up and then expect the brakes to stop it instantly.

5redie8 ,

Seriously, I was seeing banger ads I hadn’t seen from him before as recently as last night

Burstar ,

In Biden’s defence he has Covid and that probably is really making him feel his age right about now.

JJROKCZ ,

I just worry about who they select as replacement…. Unfortunately Kamala doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell since she’s a non-white female, one of those features is maybe surmountable but both eliminates so many so called “centrists” from casting a blue vote to do their misogyny and bigotry.

If the democrats nominate Kamala it’s just handing Trump the win since so many of my countrymen are racist or misogynistic

ipkpjersi ,

I don’t think it’s the same people wanting him to drop out vs sad that he did drop out. Or they did want him to drop out because he’s aging but they are sad that he did because he was a good president.

splonglo ,

I think you’re remembering it wrong and comparing different groups of people.

corsicanguppy ,

people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down

everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing

You say ‘people’ and ‘everyone’ where you may really mean to say ‘republicans’ and ‘russians’.

Frozengyro ,

I’m sure Dems too, it’s roughly half the country. Certainly a big part of them wanted him out.

takeda , (edited )

This was an astroturfing campaign covering our media and also via bots on social media.

I watched the debate and while he was slower, and mixed up words he actually was aware of US goals and challenges (despite what media tried to imply), trump was more energetic but he was constantly spewing nonsense, and while part of it was lying as usual, part of it was clear that he was actually getting lost.

I even wrote that in certain that if Biden steps down the same bots will start campaign how Democrats were cheated to discourage them from voting (like it was worth Bernie).

I’m definitively voting for Kamala now no matter what ridiculous bullshit they will come up on her on September-October (you can be sure there will be some scandal that will turnout to be nothing burger after election). I got fooled (like a lot of people) in 2016 to vote 3rd party and we got trump.

Republicans are actually a minority they can only win if they discourage enough people from voting. That’s why they are against laws that that make voting easier.

I actually was hoping Biden would run as he has great experience with foreign leaders as well as very successful reaching compromises and passing bills that otherwise wouldn’t fly.

As I say though I will 100% vote for Kamala (or whomever will be the democratic candidate), definitively not the fascist party and in fact anyone on Democrats side looks good.

noisefree ,

I got fooled (like a lot of people) in 2016 to vote 3rd party and we got trump.

So rare to see someone actually say these words outside of pointing the finger at others. Kudos.

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

They’re not the same people.

lagomorphlecture ,

Holy shit you think you’re anxious? Some of us are stuck living here. It’s not actually that easy to emigrate to Canada (bet you guys did that for a reason…).

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

The comments you saw aren’t by the same people or are they?

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

I think people are angry about the timing. It feels like too little, too late. If he had made the decision at the beginning of the year, then sure. But now it’ll be rushed, and people won’t be able to agree on a single candidate. And people are worried that, due to the resulting lack of agreement, a split vote will hand the win to Trump.

confusedbytheBasics ,

I think it is a great time to try to take the news cycle away from Trump. Now just keep dropping big news.

ouRKaoS ,

If republicans can rush approval for a supreme court justice out of nowhere, Dems should be able to get a current VP up to POTUS status quickly.

Burstar ,

Harris has already announced her candidacy. It will be difficult for anyone else to seriously challenge. Especially if/when Biden endorses her.

Gullible ,

The internet isn’t a place to draw an understanding of politics. The internet isn’t even a place to draw an understanding of the internet.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

The internet isn’t even a place to draw an understanding of the internet.

RFC 751, Internet Protocol:

datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc791

Gullible ,

No way, man. My friend read that document and developed blood clots. RFK jr also recently talked about it on Joe Rogan’s podcast, where they suggested that… etc…

HawlSera ,

They’re doomers

chakan2 ,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

I’m ecstatic of Biden dropping. It’s no longer a sure loss for the D’s…there’s a glimmer of hope for us after all.

DaleGribble88 ,
@DaleGribble88@programming.dev avatar

I never thought Biden was a sure loss, but I do think that Harris, et al, all stand a better chance of winning. I’m excited for this change, it feels like the DNC is trying for the first time since Obama’s first term.

StereoTrespasser ,

It’s because progressives were tripping over themselves to agree with AOC yesterday. Now that it’s been shown how out of touch she is, they are backpedaling to argue Biden should not have dropped out.

13esq ,

It’s just an anecdote, but I’ve experienced a lot of people saying “I’d vote for a dead dog over Trump”, who for some reason still wouldn’t back a democrat that didn’t look like and sound like a mummy.

Tikiporch ,

Lemmy isn’t a monolith, including the ones in this thread. I’ve seen as many people calling for him to drop out as those saying he should say. End of the day, none of us have anything valuable to say you should be relying on for insight.

EnderWiggin ,

I don’t understand you people in this thread.

Goes to show how many of these people were disingenuous and never actually wanted the party to win regardless. Some of those people operate on the far right. Some of them were just Trumpers in disguise, foreign operators, bots, etc. It’s a lot of bullshit. I’m looking forward to supporting Kamala though.

mctoasterson ,

I want to see actual demographics of the various Lemmy instances for this reason. There are tons of very loud and confident opinions but based on the simple facts they get wrong, there must be a large number of non-Americans or edgy teens who can’t vote or wouldn’t vote anyway.

Juigi ,

I mean many here openly support Putin too, what can you do

PugJesus ,

It’s fun, Lemmy having an option for searching user comments. See a user make a suss comment? Search their comments for ‘Ukraine’. If they’re a fascist, there’s a good chance they can’t help themselves but start talking about “Russia’s legitimate security concerns” or “2014 coup”

Lodra ,
@Lodra@programming.dev avatar

I think this is a side effect of sharing and discussion these events online, especially in a link aggregator like Lemmy. You can you see inconsistent views presented in multiple threads yet they feel as if you’re interacting with the same group of people.

Some people are happy about this turn of events while others are not. I expect that you’re seeing differing major opinions from separate groups of people.

Xanis ,

People are scared. Most of the ones calling for Biden to drop out were just parroting popular opinion, with the rest uncertain where him actually dropping will take us. I think your feelings are valid here, though to give people some credit: At least we made the right choice. Immediately after the debate I wasn’t sure if Joe dropping out was a good idea. After the Miss Heard Around the World I strongly felt he had no choice.

Time for Part whatever on this several part series, I guess. BOOTSTRAPS IT IS.

paddirn ,

There’s going to be people pushing on both sides pushing either way, some with honest intentions/beliefs, some just bots/bad actors trying to amp up the chaos. It’s impossible to tell how this plays out at the point though, but it does have the potential to be a really good thing for the Democratic campaign. Unfortunately, Democrats have a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, so I’m not overly optimistic of our chances. I hope they get somebody smart, younger, and charismatic who just completely blows the Right out of the water this election and completely changes the trajectory of this country… but I’m not going to hold my breath. I’ll vote for whomever is not Trump, to try to prevent the takeover of literal fascists.

merc ,

Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down

Yes, some.

Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing

Yes, others.

Different people speak up on different days. This is especially true in social media where often people won’t speak up if they know they’re going to get jumped on.

abracaDavid ,

The fact the the DNC didn’t have a contingency plan while running the oldest candidate ever is just insane.

The DNC has been fumbling for years and years now. Anyone else remember 2016?

sunzu ,

people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race

Pretty sure that was a DNC campaign to coup biden. Sure people had opinions both ways but what you are talking about was a psyop to turn public opinion.

Across all socials and teevee, it was laddered and in sync.

FireTower ,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

There’s multiple people on here with multiple opinions, and those opinions are subject to change as new information arises.

HotsauceHurricane ,

I am cautiously hopeful for harris. I 100% thi k she can win.

Angry_Autist ,

WOW IT’S ALMOST AS IF ANY LARGE GROUPING OF PEOPLE WILL HAVE MEMBERS THAT DON’T COMPLETELY ALIGN WITH ALL THE GROUP’S VALUES AND GOALS!

ImpressiveEssay ,

It’s not people wanting a fair process. It’s maga. They want a king.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

lemmy is the only social media worth anything goddamn

timestatic ,

Bro I went below Bidens twitter post and it was so bad. How can anyone seriously clown on Biden. I highly think of his decision and think that this really is what it means to serve the country. Better late than never!

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Holy shit.

BuddyTheBeefalo ,

I hope for a next president who understands that they shouldn’t use twitter.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

As long as the public reads Twitter to the degree they do, the President’s team is gonna have a Twitter communications strategy.

credo ,

I know people will say this is bad, a new campaign will be rushed, etc. But I think we all know Biden was an excuse for many not to vote, or worse, to vote for Trump. Withdrawing will be his legacy when we win, not his failing.

Thank you President Biden. You are a hero.

njm1314 , (edited )

Nobody who would consider voting for Trump is going to vote for whoever replaces Biden. Nobody. This is about getting apathetic voters off their butt. Which I hope works, but every part of my being is telling me they’re going to pick someone who apathetic voters wouldn’t vote for anyway.

Pacattack57 ,

Kamala 🙄

Krauerking ,

People have done more with less campaign time and he will go down as having listened and done what was requested of the people and party I honestly think this says a lot of good stuff about the democratic party and Biden once we get the spin right.

cogman ,

It won’t be hard. Kamala is going to be able to put a bullseye on Trump and republican politics like Biden simply wasn’t ever able to do. She’s going to be able to hyper focus on the deeply unpopular beliefs of the base and it will be hard for Trump or others to really deny it without losing their core supporters.

Further, because she’s relatively unknown there’s really not the same baggage as there was with Hillary. Most people don’t know who she is and I think that really plays to her favor.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s be honest here, Trump will never lose his core supporters. He could literally turn out to be the devil incarnate, and his supporters will say it’s their god’s will. He’s a 34-count convicted felon and they see that as something to boast about.

The issue in this country is that the less educated are following those with a playbook of getting the less educated to vote, to vote for them, and in areas that games the electoral college system.

We were a hair’s breadth from another Trump term in 2020 by 11,000 votes in GA. Not to mention his coup attempt.

It cannot be that close again. It must be decisive. I hope Harris, if she is the nominee, can achieve that.

Schmoo ,

Kamala is going to be able to put a bullseye on Trump

I agree with you but this is an interesting choice of words given other recent events lol.

assassin_aragorn ,

If we win in November, it’ll be because Biden made this selfless decision. He’ll deserve medals and statues.

abracaDavid ,

Lol the Speaker of the House publicly called for him to step down. He was practically forced out.

Some hero.

CosmicTurtle0 ,

Biden absolutely did the right thing and, perhaps, the most courageous thing.

Democrats would have coalesced around him if decided to keep going but we’ve been begging him to step aside. This is a key difference between Trump “fans” and Biden voters. We’re not drawn to him as a personality.

Once a candidate is selected, I don’t care who it is, we must support them because not doing so is voting for an end to democracy.

The fact that we’re here is a travesty.

jumjummy ,

Except for the bank of those who are just Russian agents who will undoubtedly find some new “excuse” why the Democrat candidate is not fit to run.

capital ,

Expect lots of “cop” comments in regards to Harris from Russians totally real leftists.

MutilationWave ,

She was a cop. She called herself the “top cop”. I fucking hate the police and she’s got my vote over a literal pedophile felonious fascist.

capital ,

Seriously, thank you for voting.

assassin_aragorn ,

I’m no fan of cops, but I think this actually plays very well with the political environment. Recent elections saw rebukes of progressive Police policies in the Pacific North West. As much as I wish it were otherwise, that message isn’t resonating with voters even in considerably progressive areas.

Having a traditional prosecutor may be an advantage in that regard. And it may provide us a new avenue to look at how we can have better policing that more people will support.

sentientity ,

Fwiw, I am harshly critical of most elected dems but I have never considered not voting. I think I and many people hold our allies (for lack of better term) to higher standards and get angrier when they fuck up. So I think a lot of these posts are just that. Harsh criticism of a candidate =/= not voting for them. People are strategic about voting pragmatically, they’re just also very frustrated with the dem establishment’s behavior.

kandoh ,

It’ll be great to have a woman talking about abortion and making this election a referendum on national abortion access.

Americans love to vote for something rather than against something.

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

But, when democrats lose due to this move… ???

I would have preferred him to stay on course. While I don’t care what sex they are or color or whatever, a fuckload of garbage twats in this country sure as fuck do. Biden was also likeable in public appearances. I have fuck all idea what Harris is like, and 5y of time vs like 4 months to win public opinion, oof it will be an absolute blitz. And I consider myself rather knowledgeable and up-to-date on US politics. I have friends that have no idea what’s going on at any given time, or why.

I need to research her now and become familiar, but I see this as a big negative for chances, not positive. Anxiety spiked hard about what’s to come.

Anyone in Canada looking for a roommate…?

bolexforsoup ,

If*

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. Still doesn’t invalidate the concern.

Schmoo ,

While I don’t care what sex they are or color or whatever, a fuckload of garbage twats in this country sure as fuck do

This is my least favorite argument I keep seeing for why Biden shouldn’t drop out. The racist shit-heels you’re referring to were always going to vote for Trump regardless of who the Democratic candidate is. There is no reason for Democrats to try and appeal to racists, and even if there were it would be immoral to do so. Sacrificing your values to win is no true victory.

You’re losing your nerve, and while that’s understandable, it’s self-sabotage.

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldn’t say I’m ‘sacrificing values’, more like “woman bad, no vote for” is strong here still. Yeah yeah ‘we will see how it goes’ but that’s exactly what fucking scares me, we don’t get a “best 2 out of 3” save, and we need fucking EVERYONE on board to avert catastrophe.

I’m in a swing state and it’s like a sea of Trumpers and I’m just like “yeah, we are fucked”.

jwt ,

I’m so thankful I live in a country where 4 months is (still) believed to be a ridiculously long amount of time to campaign.

Good luck America! Please show the rest of the world you’re still capable of making sane choices.

lemmytellyousomething ,

An alternative is needed. The search in the nearest old people’s home has probably already begun.

Sorry for the sarcasm…

harrys_balzac ,

DNC staffer, screaming into the phone: “What do you mean Jimmy Carter won’t take our calls?”

AlexanderESmith ,

Hopefully Camilla doesn't skip any battleground states while she's campaigning, like somebody...

someguy3 ,

Wow.

ByteOnBikes ,

I’m going to bet the combination of his weak debate, as well as what happened to Trump, pushed this.

Absolutely some nutter is looking for some payback.

dditty ,

Well it is a huge opportunity to steer media coverage away from Trump, which will likely be the most effective tactic at the moment

floofloof , (edited )

I kind of expected them to announce another candidate, not just that their only candidate wouldn’t be. Do they have to elect a candidate now? For how long will only one party have a candidate?

Edit: Just read that they’ll choose the candidate in late August. So for a whole month there will be only Republican campaigning in the media, unless the Democrats can make their process interesting enough to catch the media’s attention.

Another edit: Seems they’re moving much quicker than that after all.

dhork ,

Biden has already endorsed Harris, at least on Twitter. I think that part is over. They already have to nominate someone early due to some deadlines, so the actual nomination will happen in the next week or two. It’s Harris. We should all accept it.

harrys_balzac ,

Goddamn this timeline sucks hairy balls (not to be confused with me cuz ain’t nobody sucking me). I didn’t like her as a VP pick and I don’t like the idea of her as President but she’s still 1000 times better than Cheetodick.

I’d love to see them nominate Bernie or AOC for VP. That’s how they’ll get the 18-24 year olds to come out to vote.

bolexforsoup ,

18-24 year olds didn’t show up for Bernie in 2015 or 2019. They aren’t coming this time. Their enthusiasm always get way overestimated.

5redie8 ,

Probably because that’s one of the primary demos of sites like Lemmy and reddit, plus some sub populations of Twitter

bolexforsoup ,

I also think millennials/gen X need to not demand Gen Z bail us out, especially since a substantial portion can’t even vote yet.

MutilationWave ,

Why not? As an elder millennial/xennial I’d be totally happy with Zs coming up to me saying we saved your ass for the rest of my life if they show up to vote.

mosiacmango ,

The media loves conflict, and this is going to be a juicy one. If anyhting, this sucks the wind out of Trump’s campaign.

Its still going to be “dems in disarray” non stop until they pick someone, but it mutes that chucklefuck up.

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