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Bumblefumble ,

This decision really raises my opinion of Biden so much. God damn do I love that man, he is truly a great person who dedicated his life to serve his country, literally. He honestly had a great term given the circumstances, and the only thing he probably should have done differently is to not run for reelection to begin with. But he seemed to genuinely believe he could win and stave off Trump. Now that that seemed impossible, he makes a very courageous decision that a lot of people probably wouldn’t have made and puts the country ahead of his ego. Lots of respect from me, and I hope this reinvigorates the democratic base and makes the future brighter for all of us.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

come up for air you are choking on it

Dkarma ,

Coming from maga throatpie that’s hilarious

abracaDavid ,

Yeah the Biden dick riding is fucking crazy.

It’s not like he graciously stepped down. It took almost the entire DNC calling for him to step down before he would.

Not to mention that he’s been funding a genocide, and did practically nothing to address the biggest issue of our lives, which is climate change.

Bumblefumble ,

As a European progressive I obviously don’t worship Biden, but I have really come to respect him and he has been nothing but a class act throughout his whole term. He is stepping down and handing over the reins, now is as good a time as ever to recognize him as a - quite surprisingly honestly - good president.

assassin_aragorn ,

That’s fine, the choking helps me show just how much I appreciate him doing this.

What, did you think I was going to take this an insult? “Oh no he’s saying I’m sucking another man’s penis!”

Nah. Biden just showed he’s putting the country over his ego. That’s not something Trump would’ve ever done, and very few politicians at all would do this. I’m going to keep guzzling for as long as I damn please, thank you very much.

kelargo ,

President Biden is doing what Justice Ginsburg couldn’t do and look what that accomplished.

EnderWiggin ,

Kamala 2024! Let’s go!

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

our country just does not have enough police representation

go Kamala 2024! who wants to be under a prosecutor’s boot? we do!

suction ,

Back to /pol with you

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m surprised you got Daddy Trumps cock out your mouth enough to look at a screen to type this. Or you’re multi-tasking in which case I applaud you.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

That’s why I’m never gonna cancel my USA subscription. Your shows always have a crazy twist right before the season finale.

Jokes aside: Not a single person who even considers voting for Trump is worth any hassle. Their vote is a coin flip on fucking acid. The dems should try to animate the lazy nonvoting pricks.

Revan343 ,

Don’t disparage acid like that, every psychedelic user I know is left wing

TrickDacy ,

Your assessment is spot on. I am forever shocked that people seem to think there are voters on the fence between trump and anyone else

Angry_Autist ,

It’s pretty telling how you can meme about the most dangerous nation on the planet slipping into fascism. Of course you don’t care now because it isn’t happening in your city. I guaran-fucking-tee if drumpf gets re-elected, it will be IN your city by next year. So laugh it up.

nepenthes ,
@nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think anyone means to disparage the very real concerns facing USians, and I think non-USians recognize this affects every one of us regardless of country (I recently made a comment regarding this exactly).

I think that commenter was just using humour because it’s quite overwhelming that within a week-- Trump’s been shot at and Biden is stepping aside.

If us outsiders are feeling this, then I imagine it is so much worse for USians. I am empathetic to how stressful this must be, and hope for a candidate who annhilates Trump and leads your country towards healing.

EurekaStockade ,

The president of the United States affects the rest of the world but we don’t have a say in who it is, so I don’t know what you expect from us foreigners? Perhaps my country which is a staunch US ally and a fraction of the size should launch a coup?

Sort your shit out, America, because nobody is in a position to do it for you. We’re making jokes because it seems unreal that things have gotten this far and because there is no real way for us to influence US domestic politics.

Sarothazrom ,

Definitely should have happened 6 months ago, but better late than never - something about planting a tree.

This also robs the GOP of the hE’s ToO oLd argument, which is one of their only effective attacks.

Valmond ,

Yeah, who’s the old rambling man now eh!

fubarx ,

The biggest hot-topic issue this election should have been abortion (and by extension, SCOTUS). But the discussion got side-tracked by all this talk of old age. The debate just reinforced the narrative and concern with Biden. They would have hammered him over and over, with Trump bragging about how quickly he recovered from an injury.

Now, we have:

  • A sittingVP with actual Whitehouse experience, who can take credit for all the economic policies under Biden. Also, a former Senator.
  • A prosecutor and former Attorney General vs a convicted felon.
  • The age issue disappears (in fact, it now becomes a liability against Trump).
  • A woman vs the guy who bragged about killing Roe v. Wade.
  • Future of SCOTUS.

If she just keeps talking about those topics non-stop, she’ll do fine.

The only thing better would have been if Biden had resigned to let people see her in the actual role, but this works. She picks a mid-westerner as VP who can stand up to Vance and it’s a whole new ballgame.

I’m actually stoked about this race again.

HonkTonkWoman ,

Could we tap Liz Cheney to be our Vance wrangler?

Not a candidate, no, KH will still need a VP.

I just mean a wrangler. Someone who’s sole purpose is to disrupt JD Vance anyway possible…

Maybe she could:

  • Follow JD around, constantly whispering that she’s going to grab him by his pussy
  • Send him noose shaped flowers and cakes to decorate his new office
  • Pay Clint Howard to randomly walk by Vance every day & accuse him of ruining his brother’s directing career
  • Leave a conspicuous trail of classified documents behind him
  • Lewdly suggest she would have her relations with her attractive child, on camera
  • Smear fecal matter on his desk & let Pelosi call of his efforts a bowl of poopoo
  • Constantly make contact & remind JD who her father is.

I think Liz Cheney would be awesome at all of these things. As long as we don’t “elect” her, what could go wrong?

fubarx ,

As entertaining as the Cheney vs Vance debate would be, she voted an awful lot to support Trump policies. Guessing she’s happy to wait for the Trump collapse, then offer herself up as a return to a more traditional GOP.

HonkTonkWoman ,

That’s a really intelligent point… much more intelligent than mine…

Guess all this craziness has left me with the heebie-jeebies.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

nothing got sidetracked it just was never dealt with or talked about in a meaningful discussion or in any way in the last fifty years of Biden’s career

just like the minimum wage is not enough to cover the astronomical costs of food and housing and was not even brought up during the debate

yes lets support a prosecutor that represents the police who want their boots shined with our tongues

TrickDacy ,

Propose someone else who can win.

I know there’s a whole chorus of lemmings who cannot fathom uttering anything but criticism, but maybe if you tried you could have an actual idea of your own?

merc ,

Unfortunately we also have:

  • A non-white candidate
  • A non-male candidate
  • A very sexist and racist electorate, who basically voted Trump in because they were so upset by the election of Barack Hussein Obama

It remains to be seen if the racists and sexists will prevail.

Having said that, this might energize women who are on the fence and want to see the first female president. It might energize black voters. It will almost certainly energize Indian voters, possibly even all South-Asian voters. It will definitely energize voters who were worried about the age of the candidates. And now, suddenly, Trump has to go on the defensive about his age.

As long as all the democrats fall in line and push for Kamala, it might go really well. If Hillary Clinton goes out and works for Kamala, it could energize the people who are still angry about her loss, and can now channel that into the new option for a first female president. If Biden campaigns for her, it could reassure all the people who just wanted some stability.

OTOH, if there is infighting, and people trying to take her down so that they can become the nominee, then that could be trouble too.

seejur ,

The racists, as OP mentioned, would have voted for Trump regardless. The Dems need to convince the moderate, undecided voters

merc ,

Not at all. The Nazis would have voted for Trump regardless. But, there are a lot of biased people out there who wouldn’t even think of themselves as racist or sexist, they’ll just “have doubts”.

Unconscious bias is a major issue.

Anybody right now who is undecided is not moderate. The moderates are all already voting against Trump. Anybody undecided is either a very-low-information voter, who mostly gets their news from TikTok or conspiracy forums, or they’re a very right-wing voter who hates the democrats with a passion, but are having trouble getting over their dislike of Trump too.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I don’t disagree with you, but let’s not forget apathetic voters… people that were just disenchanted with both of the old guys and wouldn’t vote for either.

Surely Kamala will get some traction with women.

merc ,

Definitely, I just wonder how that will compare with the sexist vote (both men and women (but mostly men)).

Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

If they chose to vote, sure. Plenty of them that would have stayed home are now going to be highly motivated.

TheDannysaur ,

How many people, realistically, would vote for a white male Democrat but NOT a non-white female?

People are talking about this, but I don’t know who this voter is. The hard line racists and sexists were not moderates, they’re all already Republican.

There are far more democrats that were against Biden because of his age than would be against Harris as a woman. This is a net gain. Fuck the people who won’t vote for her along gender or racial lines. I don’t want to try and appease them.

Give people something to vote FOR rather than vote against.

GBU_28 ,

There are definitely SOME very center democrats or even centerish republicans who will have reservations about Harris for her categories.

It’s not your job to appease them but it’s important we get their votes.

Personally I think those votes will be safe regardless, as trimp is just that repugnant.

merc ,

How many people, realistically, would vote for a white male Democrat but NOT a non-white female?

Far too many. It doesn’t mean they’re going to admit, even to themselves, that the reason they’re making that choice is that they hate women. But, unconscious bias is a helluva thing.

www.pbs.org/newshour/features/hidden-sexism/

Fuck the people who won’t vote for her along gender or racial lines. I don’t want to try and appease them.

Would you rather appease them and win, or not appease them and lose?

Schmoo ,

Would you rather appease them and win, or not appease them and lose?

Sacrificing your values to win is no true victory.

Here’s the way I see it:

If you’re right and there are too many closet racists/sexists for a black woman to win, and we run her anyway, then we lose. If we don’t run her in order to appease the racists and we “win” we’ve actually still lost because we sacrificed a core value. That sacrifice will haunt the Democrats as the decay that was already happening will accelerate.

It’s the same cowardice that has plagued the Democrats for decades. Choosing appeasement for political convenience over and over, each time removing a section of their spines until there’s none of it left. Do not let fear control you.

GBU_28 ,

I think the massive majority of Biden voters will take any democrat over trump,.and we also have the opportunity to shed some of the “sins” of the Biden admin, in the sense that Harris can say “i saw how it was first hand, but here’s how I’d change it if I were in charge.”

paddirn ,

I would love for Kamala Harris to be more charismatic and less ineffectual than she currently is, I’ll vote for whoever is not Trump. Now is the perfect opportunity to reinvigorate the campaign and turn everything upside down, but I’m not optimistic. They’ll probably trot out Hillary Clinton again if it’s not Harris, and it’ll be a replay of 2016.

dhork ,

The only thing better would have been if Biden had resigned to let people see her in the actual role, but this works.

I used to be an advocate for this, until I realized that in this political environment, whoever President Harris picks for VP would need both House and Senate approval, and this House will take a page from Mitch’s book and simply not bother. So you would have your first female and mixed-race President, in a country full of armed bigots, and if they get to her, Mike Johnson becomes President and can start Project 2025 early.

macarthur_park ,

Fortunately she could just order his assassination, call it an official act (“he was obstructing the confirmation of my vice president”), and get off scot-free.

Yes I realize this would never work because

  1. Harris would never do that, and democrats would never allow it, and
  2. the Supreme Court would immediately rule this is not an official act for “reasons”.
GBU_28 ,

I wonder if there’s political wrangling available for them to just swap lol. Technically each are already confirmed by Congress.

chiliedogg ,

Pro-choice is poison at the General election. It does well as a ballot initiative, but the reality is that very few pro-choice moderates and right-leaning people will change their vote over the issue, whereas pro-lifers are far and away the strongest single-issue voting group.

If Harris and Trump were identical in every way except their stance on abortion, how many Dem voters would flip for Trump in order to vote pro-choice? Would you?

Because millions of people who are otherwise liberal-leaning vote based on their pro-lifer position.

The biggest reason Dems got a Roe boost in 2022 was pro-lifer voters who didn’t feel the need to vote Republican because they’d won and could focus on other issues. But running a campaign based on restoring Roe undoes that bump.

Maggoty ,

That’s not what the data tells us. If that was the case the abortion referendums would have failed while Democrats got a push. But they didn’t. They consistently succeeded in even the reddest areas. Abortion protections gets people out to vote.

chiliedogg ,

Abortion refferendums are easy.

A pro-choice gun nut won’t vote Democrat because he cares more about guns than the right to choose. But when you put it as a ballot initiative he doesn’t have to weigh it against anything else.

The thing about single-issue voters is that they can swing elections even though they’re a minority. The GOP has survived for decades by embracing the pro-life and pro-gun voters. These are massive groups with voters on one side who will base the entirety of their vote on the issue, while the other side of the debate doesn’t.

Maggoty ,

The GOP has survived for decades because we vote for land, not people. They consistently hold majorities in government with a minority of the population.

fubarx ,

2022 should have been a red wave, but wasn’t. There are proposals to make draconian anti-abortion laws national and override state protections.

I wouldn’t underestimate its power to reengage voters, especially the youth vote.

Draedron ,

Now you have someone who has not been seen since she was elected VP with no time at all to prepare her for a presedential run. You will get Trump again because the dems are so fucking stupid and stabbed Biden in the back this late.

Maggoty ,

You think she hasn’t been preparing for 2028?

Draedron ,

She hasnt been doing anything since becoming VP. Biden could have had a sack of rice as VP and the result would be the same.

Maggoty ,

That’s how most VPs act.

Draedron ,

Biden and Pence still had public showing and were talked about sometimes. Harris was completely invisible. And most dont randomly jump in less than 4 month before the election.

danny801 ,
@danny801@lemmy.world avatar

Everyone needs to join a church before the Nazi MAGA army starts hunting atheists

morphballganon ,

You can’t identify an atheist on sight like you can a minority

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

tell that to the gestapo when they come knocking

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

a lot did

they joined either the Blue Church or the Red Church

MutilationWave ,

Churches have too many windows to be defended with small arms.

HawlSera ,

Good

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Dems now have a non-zero chance of winning 2024.

stoly ,

This is my take as well.

capital ,

Waiting for the “you’re gonna vote for a cop?” comments on Lemmy in regards to Harris.

MutilationWave ,

They’re already here. I hate the fucking cops but damn right I’ll vote for one over fascism.

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s gooooo! Harris/AOC, maybe? That would be wild

HomerianSymphony ,

No chance. Maybe Harris/Kelly.

MutilationWave ,

They’ll never run two women. It’s too risky. Don’t get me wrong I’d love it.

BeigeAgenda ,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Harris - Ocasio-Cortez 2024 let’s gooo

Ragdoll_X ,
@Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world avatar

IT’S JOEVER

en1gma ,

Byeden

zarathustra0 ,

Baiden

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t agree with his endorsement for Kamala but thank god finally.

Now throw in some fresh candidates and provable promises, and I’m completely on board.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Goddammit.

I’m just going to say it. They can’t put Harris up. Not because she’s lacking in any political skills, she isn’t, but there are far too many swing voters that will sit on their hands or vote for trump if the Dems try to put up a woman who also happens to be African American as the nominee. There’s still too much prejudice and misogyny that wants an old white man over anyone else. She’s been far too quiet as VP to build any sort of following. The press will pull a Hillary on her, the clueless SJW in the Dems will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because they’d rather have a woman run than win an election. I’ll vote for anyone they put up, but I sure as hell hope they can put someone up that the swing voters will show up for too.

criitz ,

With Hillary they had been dragging her name for 30 years. They haven’t had time to Hillary Kamala. The misogyny and racism aspect may indeed hurt her, but luckily most of those votes were already Trumps

Zaktor ,

Seriously. What more could Trump possibly do to inspire someone with racism as one of their primary issues to vote for him. If you’re that dedicated to it, you already had your candidate.

5redie8 ,

Not because she’s lacking in any political skills, she isn’t, but there are far too many swing voters that will sit on their hands or vote for trump if the Dems try to put up a woman who also happens to be African American as the nominee. There’s still too much prejudice and misogyny that wants an old white man over anyone else.

Yeah, this is the first thing my girlfriend and I said to each other, it’s my biggest point of worry and IMO could have been the straw that broke Hillary’s 2016 run. I’m just hoping that the positives shine through at this point.

UristMcHolland ,

Jon Stewart / Katie Porter ticket would get my vote 1000%

MutilationWave ,

Jon Stewart is the obvious choice to lead this country. But he doesn’t want to. Which makes him an even better choice.

But he’s not going to run and I don’t blame him for trying to enjoy his life instead of going to hell as a president who cares.

Zaktor ,

I’d vote 3 or 4 times for that ticket.

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