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PenisWenisGenius ,

inb4 the Supreme Court rules that new laws made about the Supreme Court are illegal. Why even stop there. They can simply rule that ACKTCHUALLY the US is a monarchy and Clarence Thomas is in charge of it all.

toasteecup ,

I’m down to commit regicide

PenisWenisGenius , (edited )

Become ungovernable instead, whatever that means to you. Refusing to have kids and then living as flat as possible so you can smoke weed is one example of social behavior that harms their agenda a lot more than committing suicide does.

toasteecup ,

I respect the decision. We all gotta go our particular ways

melvisntnormal ,

Where was suicide mentioned?

LesserAbe ,

Imagine shit hitting the fan if Congress passed a law limiting a clearly corrupt court and then the court “ruled it unconstitutional”.

That isn’t going to fly.

It’s not even in the constitution that the supreme court can rule something unconstitutional, they just did it once early on and everyone went with it.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

He can’t do it with a Republican House and a Senate that requires 60 votes to do anything.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

And even if he could, there’s literally zero reason to think he would. This is more empty campaign rhetoric like back in 2020.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Yep, this is the carrot that will never be given to us, standard DNC playbook.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the thing that kills me, he makes these promises that he KNOWS he can’t get done, which leads to the whole “Well, Democrats never do anything!” argument.

What he NEEDS to say is “Here’s what I want to do, but I need your help throwing out the bastards in the House and Senate blocking it! Here are their names, let’s get them gone!”

EnderWiggin ,

That’s the real problem, but too many people here and elsewhere are unaware of the limitations on how the legislative process works. Anything like this is pretty much DOA and purely ceremonial. I’m happy for all of the positive things Biden has been able to get done in spite of such gridlock, but amendment level change in this country is just not at all possible right now.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Nope. And while the call for a Constitutional Convention to re-do the whole thing currently has more support (28 states out of 34 required), it’s generally coming from red states and would require 3/4 of the states to approve it. So that’s a non-starter too.

www.commoncause.org/…/article-v-convention/#

A_Random_Idiot ,

Well, I mean. if their rhetoric has hit a tipping point, maybe there wont be 60 for long.

givesomefucks ,

Bush full of birds, but our hands are still empty…

Biden had four fucking years to do something, half of that time Dems controlled both House and Senate.

But he doesn’t start talking about it till right before the election as a promise for something he’ll “look into” in January

Twitches ,

Yeah, seriously considering, so nothing is going to happen. Words mean nothing without action.

Habahnow ,

Dems didn’t control both the house and the senate soo… Thats why Dems haven’t been able to pass as many things as they would like.

Vent ,

Dems controlled the Senate with the slimmest majority possible. One fucker that owns a coal company was able to tank all meaningful climate bills and there was nothing Biden or anyone else could do about it. You can forget about any progressive policies in that environment, lol. Biden did well with the tools he was given.

givesomefucks ,

Dems controlled the Senate with the slimmest majority possible

And four years ago Biden wouldnt shut up about how only he could work with a Republican Senate.

Long before we dreamed if 50 seats.

As soon as that was on the table, it switched to 50 accomplishes everything. And almost immediately after we got that. Biden said it wasn’t enough

Three big goalpost moves in like 6 months, that shit is noticable to voters and some can remember the last election, and not take Biden on his word again.

TheRealCharlesEames ,

You’re misplacing the blame, friend

givesomefucks ,

This is like saying we can’t criticize the police because criminals are worse…

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Tag his username, he’s usually like this

stoly ,

You’re supposed to be angry at the people preventing progress, not the people trying to create progress.

Organichedgehog ,

Promising progress and intentionally not fulfilling the promise is, indeed, preventing progress. Of course the R’s are awful. The D’s are also shitty and I hold them to a higher standard.

InternetUser2012 ,

I love how people blame Biden for shit the racist rapist with 34 felonies did. The amount of mental gymnastics that requires is amazing. Unless you’re not a real person and at this point, I kinda hope you’re not.

givesomefucks ,

Bruh…

How is it you read something like:

We’re not fighting fascists enough

And your take away

That guy likes fascists

Seriously, what steps of logic did you get to thinking I’m a trump supporter?

It’s 2024, you can’t imagine someone doesn’t like Biden but hates trump?

InternetUser2012 ,

What in the hell are you talking about? Did you respond to the wrong person because you’re quoting shit that wasn’t in what I replied to. You broken?

givesomefucks ,

How is it you read something like:

I mean, I thought the “like” was a clear signal I was paraphrasing…

But overestimating people is a flaw I openly admit

Orbituary ,
@Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

Not sure why you’re getting negative votes. You’re right. But Dems still haven’t learned that the days of working across party lines is a dream from a bygone era.

Old man dreams.

givesomefucks ,

You can’t even get moderates to understand if the best we can do is a tie, it’s harder to even manage that.

Anyone that can look at the last 16 years of the party and say with a straight face we’re making the right moves isn’t worth listening to.

There is absolutely zero benefit to running Hillary/Biden types rather than an Obama type

BassTurd ,

Biden has been successful at getting bipartisan legislation passed over the last few years. That doesn’t mean that everything can be done. It horse shit that you think that because he wasn’t able to convince any Republicans and lost a turn coat and coal barron that it’s his fault, or that he mislead with his “working across the aisle” comments.

To address one of your other comments, this shit is the reason people might believe your a Trump supporter. The same shit rhetoric day in and day out. There’s being critical and there’s being beneficial to Trump. You frequently sit on the Trump benefits side of comments.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

It’s very disingenuous to say the Democratic party controlled the Senate while having the House majority. The Senate was 48 Democratic, 2 Independents who caucused with the Democratic Senators, and 50 Republicans with the VP casting tie-breakong votes. Very little legislation could be passed because of the filibuster, which needed 51 votes to reform and both Machines and Lineman stating they absolutely would not go along with that. The Senate could approve most nominees, and pass reconciliation (ie 3 types of budget-related bills) once a year. They had no path the expand the court or codify Roe or anything like that with the “majority” they had. We need either 51 Senators who will amend the filibuster (or get rid of it) or 61 Senators to overcome the filibuster to really have the ability to get anything substantial done.

givesomefucks ,

Then why was Biden saying he could work with a Republican controlled Senate 4 years ago?

Why say that the Georgia runoffs would get the whole platform?

What number do we need for any current campaign promises to come true? And if the deciding factor is House and Senate, shouldn’t we do ch Biden for a candidate that would help down allot races?

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

Then why was Biden saying he could work with a Republican controlled Senate 4 years ago?

Probably because he did have a history of bipartisan work as a Senator.

Why say that the Georgia runoffs would get the whole platform?

In 2020? We didn’t know yet that Sinema would do a 180 after being elected or that Manchin would be such a dick.

What number do we need for any current campaign promises to come true?

I already addressed that.

And if the deciding factor is House and Senate, shouldn’t we do ch Biden for a candidate that would help down allot races?

Anybody who supports the Democratic platform relative to the Republican platform and says they won’t vote if Biden is on the ticket is, quite simply, failing our society most egregiously. Protest voting does nothing but lose.

Historically, a contested convention or not running the incumbent is a losing proposition. But I don’t care who the Democratic party nominates in this election, I will vote for them up and down the ballot. The presidential nominees are going to be shitty until we can collectively get our heads out of our asses and turn up it overwhelming numbers in the primaries to get progressives in state legislatures to overhaul our election process. It will take a constitutional amendment to unshitify the presidential election.

givesomefucks ,

Probably because he did have a history of bipartisan work as a Senator

Oh ok…

So despite Biden spending 8 years in Obama’s White House and getting a literal front row seat…

Biden was just too stupid to realize shit changed?

Or you think he knew and intentionally lied about it in that primary so he’d be the candidate even tho he knew the only reason to go with him was bullshit?

Like, you get that’s where your logic leads right?

Biden is either:

  1. Dumb as shit and if ignorant of modern politics
  2. He knew what reality was like, but lied to become an ineffectual president on purpose. Not just bad because he put himself over the country, but he did it in the middle of a fascists takeover. Literally, there was a failed insurrection days before he took office.

Neither of those options makes people energized to vote for him again, and this election is too important to risk Joe.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

My dude, Biden has had more bipartisan success than Obama did. So I really don’t think you have a winning point here.

Like, you get that’s where your logic leads right?

No, but I get that it’s where you insist on taking it.

Neither of those options makes people energized to vote for him again, and this election is too important to risk Joe.

You have it wrong, this election is too important to risk not voting Democratic regardless if it is Joe. O will vote blue regardless. Will you?

givesomefucks ,

, this election is too important to risk not voting Democratic regardless if it is Joe

There are 10s of millions of voters Biden needs to convince, and every indication is he’s not going to be able to convince enough, especially not the tens of thousands up for grabs in battleground states.

It’s easier to switch out Biden while there’s still time than to convince all those people.

You’re worried about forcing everyone into making a smart decision. We’re talking about the American public here. We don’t have a good track record with that.

So rather than gamble on the intelligence of the American public, why not give them a better candidate?

What’s the benefit of sticking with Biden? How many people already willing to vote for Biden isn’t voting D regardless of candidate?

You’re right that everyone should vote Biden.

But that doesn’t matter. The American public does the wrong thing almost constantly, have you been in public lately?

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

What you don’t seem to be understanding is that I’m not arguing for Biden being the nominee. I’m arguing against not voting Democratic in the event the Biden is the nominee:

Anybody who supports the Democratic platform relative to the Republican platform and says they won’t vote if Biden is on the ticket is, quite simply, failing our society most egregiously. Protest voting does nothing but lose.

I’m not objecting to people asking for a better candidate. I’m concerned that those people will fuck over the rest of the country and not vote Democratic if they don’t get one.

givesomefucks ,

I’m arguing against not voting Democratic in the event the Biden is the nominee:

To who?

Who are you arguing against?

No one that’s here…

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

I’m arguing with you, because you’re out here misplacing blame on Biden for things that are under the purview of Congress and declaring that the Democrats will lose even the down-ballot races if he’s the nominee. If you’re going to vote Democratic regardless who the nominee is, then please make that statement alongside everything else you’re stating. Otherwise you sound like you’re going to protest vote if Biden is the nominee.

givesomefucks ,

I’m arguing with you

For something I never said…

This isnt the first you’ve done it either, I don’t think it’ll magically become productive. Have a nice life

LesserAbe ,

Yeah, would have loved to see action before now. Still, what specific steps would you rather see this moment?

At least he’s talking about it and maybe giving people hope that things could settle the fuck down. Lot of people probably voting against Trump, but would help to have more reasons to vote for Biden

givesomefucks ,

At least he’s talking about it

So noble to bring up things the country desperately needs and he has no intention of working towards

Shits too bad to keep wasting Dem administrations on neoliberals

LesserAbe ,

What specific steps would you like to see Biden take right now?

givesomefucks ,

Use the powers granted to him as president of the United States…

He can just fucking arrest Clarence for acts against the US government and throw his ass in Gitmo

What’s the reason not to? You one of those people that think Republicans are holding back so if we fight back they’re fight even harder?

They been fighting as hard as they can for decades. And Trump will use every power granted to him (and some that aren’t) if he’s president.

You don’t fight fascism with both hands tied behind your back unless you’re not worried about fascism winning…

What was that Biden quote about if he loses the election?

Ensign_Crab ,

Democrats should quit waiting until they can’t do shit to suggest doing it.

BallsandBayonets ,

That’s their whole strategy. If they suggest doing shit when they still had time to do anything, they might feel pressured by the populace to do something, and that would upset their owners.

daikiki ,

Just pack the goddamn court. There’s ONE conservative justice on the Supreme Court who was appointed by a president who came to power having received more votes than his opponent, and that’s Clarence Thomas, the man whose loyalties can be bought with a luxury vacation and whose wife aided and abetted insurrectionist traitors.

The ENTIRE conservative wing of the Supreme Court is illegitimate. Every single one of them. And you know what? Thanks to the GOP, it only takes 50 votes to approve a supreme court justice. It used to be sixty, but they changed the rules so they could more conveniently destroy America.

IamSparticles ,

Easier than a constitutional amendment, but it still requires 60 votes in the senate to expand the number of justices in the court.

MyOpinion ,

There needs to be a true check to the complete corruption of the supreme court.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

We need,

The Ultra Supreme Court XXL

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

add ranked choice

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Only if the ranking is applied at the state level AND the national level. I’m not going to throw away my vote or my delegate’s vote.

stickyShift ,

Why not get rid of delegates altogether while we’re at it?

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Yes please. As someone who isn’t in a swing state, I would like my vote to matter.

And a popular vote means citizens in other countries could vote (Puerto Rico).

Also, prisoners should get a vote.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

And a popular vote means citizens in other countries could vote (Puerto Rico).

I just want to point out that Puerto Rico is not a separate country, it is part of the United States. The people there are US Citizens just like those in the 50 States. However, as a territory they do not have the same representation in government or federal support as a full State.

A lot of people get this wrong. Including some Border Patrol officers. They don’t exactly hire the most educated for the Frontline positions, that’s pretty clear from the stupid clearly wrong or illegal shit CBP ends up doing.

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you. I meant to say other territories (hence citizens), since they don’t get a vote. But yeah, a lot of people don’t realize they are part of the U.S.

cybersandwich ,

Bro, a quarter of the Borer Patrol *are" Puerto Ricans.

bufalo1973 ,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

So PR is a colony

Mog_fanatic ,

Isn’t ranked choice like straight up banned in like 12 states or something? You’d have to flip each of those states first before even going down that road right?

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Well, theoretically federal law would supercede state law. But current SCOTUS is kinda wack right now.

xionzui ,

Doesn’t the constitution explicitly grant states the right to decide how they hold their elections?

SwingingTheLamp ,

The Constitution is so vague on the point, it doesn’t even require that states hold elections. It just says that the legislature decides how the state’s presidential electors are appointed. That didn’t stop the Originalists on the Best Supreme Court Money Can Buy™ from ruling in the Colorado ballot case that, well, akshually, legislatures aren’t allowed to decide how to run their state’s elections.

Now, you’d think that a ruling that federal law supersedes state control of elections means that federal law supersedes state control of elections, but that principle may only apply to who appears on the ballot. It may only apply to whether their guy appears on the ballot. Don’t pin down the Best Supreme Court Money Can Buy™, man! They need to know who’s going to benefit from ranked-choice voting before they know what the Constitution actually says. Hell, the Constitution may actually contain a list of which states are allowed to have ranked-choice voting, and which are not. We just don’t know yet!

scroll_responsibly ,
@scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Make every US citizen a Supreme Court justice when they turn 18. There’s nothing in the constitution that says you can’t do that. Put cases up to popular vote every year or two. Also, whatever law passed to do this would count as senate approval because who’s going to strike it down… the Supreme Court?

ZoopZeZoop ,

This is hilarious. I’m sure someone with more bandwidth than me can point out a dozen reasons why this is bad, but fuck if it isn’t funny and appealing.

psycho_driver , (edited )

Yeah but what we have now is clearly bad too.

WindyRebel ,

We’ve already got a partisan court and the decisions affect us all anyway, so…

bamboo ,

There’s nothing in the constitution that says dogs can’t play basketball.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

This meme is great but it drives me crazy. There are certainly multiple eligibility requirements to play on a school basketball team, including age and being a registered student, which would prevent a dog from qualifying.

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

Don’t stomp on Air Bud’s dreams.

Notyou ,

There is that basketball court that’s on top of the Supreme Court…does that mean another Air Bud sequel but this time he’s a justice?

AlexWIWA ,

Hopefully he succeeds. The court is fucked

octopus_ink ,

I can’t imagine how he possibly will. R is happy just the way things are.

retrospectology , (edited )
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

People need to flip House and Senate blue. Theres a better chance of that happening than Biden winning.

Even when Biden loses, it will be necessary to have a majority to keep Trump in check.

xmunk ,

No talkie talkie. Fucking do.

charles ,
@charles@lemmy.world avatar

Explain how.

Phoenix3875 ,

The reforms backed by Biden would need congressional approval and the constitutional amendment would require ratification by 38 states in a process that seems nearly impossible to succeed.

Psythik ,

Why doesn’t he just bypass congress and call it an official act?

Bremmy ,

He’s a “soft” Democrat that cares about “optics” 🙄

Natanael ,

But practically speaking there’s no way for him to enforce it without threatening violence and there’s no chance that would go over well even with other democrats

Thedogspaw ,

This is like Bidens re election chance 0% chance this actually happens 🤣😭

psycho_driver ,

He needs to push hard and fast.

Ensign_Crab ,

Incrementalists don’t do that.

BallsandBayonets ,

You mean conservatives, but I agree. Our less-fascist conservative party doesn’t like to even attempt too much progress; it would upset their owners.

Ensign_Crab ,

You mean conservatives

Incrementalists believe in doing as little as possible and would do nothing if they thought they could get away with it. Conservatives believe in fascism and will implement it as quickly as we let them. Incrementalists believe in letting them.

HawlSera ,

Oh Captain my Captain!

whotookkarl ,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

Needs the Congress to make them amendments

d00phy ,

And if they’re going to do that, they should add all federally elected or appointed people. If you hit the federal retirement age during your term, you’re ineligible to run again. For SCOTUS, if you hit it, you begin the process to step down while a replacement is vetted and approved.

InternetUser2012 ,

This needs to happen.

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