Kamala Harris is probably the second-worst candidate behind Hillary Clinton that the Democrats could field against Trump. She’s disliked, she’s a hypocrite (look at her current ‘stance’ on legalizing marijuana compared to her previous record as a prosecutor where she ruined thousands of lives with criminal convictions for smoking wacky tobaccy), and a vote for Biden was going to be a de-facto vote for her regardless, because we know that if Biden was going to fall seriously ill or die during his second term, she’d take over the presidency.
The Democrats have many better candidates to run. I hope they don’t make the mistake of backing Biden’s running mate.
Who exactly do they have who’s “better”, who ALSO would agree to run, who ALSO doesn’t have a mountain of baggage saddled with them? I’ve seen Whitmer thrown around, but she’s had a serious smear campaign and a credible assassination attempt against her already. Beshear’s another, he said he isn’t going to accept even if the DNC nominates him. Sanders also gets tarred with the “but he’s old” brush, plus the GOP can run thousands of hours of “he’s a literall socialist”. AOC is also similarly divisive, and I don’t think she’d accept anyway.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren, Andrew Yang, plenty of good candidates.
Sanders would be a bad choice because he’s too old and while he’s certainly more compos mentis than Biden, he cannot escape that criticism. Michael Bloomberg would also be a similarly bad candidate for the same reason, plus also for running an incredibly expensive and half-assed campaign last time around.
Ladbrokes currently have Michelle Obama as the second-favourite to win the Democrat nomination. She would actually be a great choice because it means Barack gets another four to eight years in the White House, albeit as the First Man. She also seems like a very sensible candidate in her own right.
Alternatively, they could go the Reagan/Trump route and usher in a celebrity as their candidate. Someone like Oprah Winfrey, Taylor Swift, Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Fallon would be huge.
Yang? Already flamed out once, and had very few specific policy goals beyond UBI.
AOC? If she accepts, which I doubt, she’ll face challenges of “she’s too young” despite her being of-age by the inauguration, and would certainly see a federal or SCOTUS case trying to disqualify her. I could see BOEs in multiple states trying to boot her off the ballot because of it.
Warren and Buttigieg both are saddled with lots of baggage - Warren’s already been tarred as a nut by mainstream media, and Buttigieg’s performance as Secretary of Transportation is…lackluster.
Michelle Obama would be foolish - it would see the same challenges as Hilary in the “we’re building another dynasty” angle.
Oprah is a poor choice, Taylor Swift, same. Colbert and Fallon would seriously be BAD choices.
At least now we don’t have to deal with Republicans attacking Biden for his age and we can turn that around on Trump.
I could run a full list of pros and cons on the woman but at the end of the day we got an upgrade if this decision should have been made much earlier. Gotta always vote blue no matter who. Can’t let Republicans get in.
Remember a couple of days ago where you complained about Biden not doing something and I showed everyone a screenshot of you complaining about it when Biden did do that thing 10 months earlier?
I am absolutely aware of her history as the district attorney of San Francisco and how she targeted young black men with nonviolent offenses throughout her career.
She was my least favorite out of the three options mentioned back in 2020 for VP but at the end of the day she’s not Trump.
I won’t agree with her on everything but Trump is this massive danger to society that can’t be overlooked or allowed any ground.
He will chicken out. He’ll pull some excuse about unfair rules or a biased moderator that will be completely and utterly transparent to everyone except his base.
It’s transparent to his base too. It’s not that they don’t see the lies, it’s that they don’t care.
To Republicans, winning matters more than playing by the rules. This isn’t some gentlemanly game of chess. It’s a knife fight. The future of their country hangs in the balance, and the only thing that matters is being the people who steer the ship. If you have to lie cheat and steal to get there, so be it.
The Dems need to wake the fuck up and start doing the same.
What’s the point here? I’m trying to point out the very real danger they represent. Are you really going to downplay that danger? This is how we lost roe v wade
Whoa…I agree with you. And I’m not sure why what I said upset you. I am just speaking in the context of the discussion of the post which is campaign strategy.
We need to shout about Project 2025 from the rooftops because it’s so toxic the Trump campaign wants it to stay hidden.
Well thank you for holding up your end. I admittedly lose my cool with people sometimes. It’s hard to read tone, but I will say that you did a good job of avoiding condescension, which is probably the biggest problem in online discourse that I see.
This is really what it boils down to. But with Trump there is nothing to promote. The only way they can win is by ruining the reputation of their opponent to try to make them look worse.
Didn’t you know Kamala let her tamagotchi die 30 years ago? Do you know where that tamagotchi has been buried? You might not know about this, but everyone is talking about this. But they don’t because they are too scared to talk about it. A lot of good people. They talk about it. And the world is laughing at us. The good people talking about this are too scared to talk because the world is laughing.
But it doesn’t matter if he had nothing to promote. He’s not above lying. This was just a bad decision on their part. Even if biden hadn’t dropped out, there’s no guarantee that a man that age will be here in four months.
I was thinking this when everyone was saying it’s too late to change candidates. While that might have been true if a campaign consisted of promoting people’s positives, that’s not what it is. It’s all about finding the dirt on the other and switching candidates late just means there has been less shit talked.
In the blink of an eye, their surplus of hateful anti-Biden merchandise becomes even more useless. This will surely make them realize how idiotic their cult is /s.
I can’t believe all those stupid anti-biden truck decals etc will be rendered pointless in a matter of months. I better start making anti-Kamala decals if i want to properly capitalize on these next 4 years 🤑
Edit: cry into your fuckin ear-squares ya bunch of sad sacks
Incidentally, there’s a bunch of people on Lemmy really mad that they can’t tell everyone not to vote for Biden anymore. They’ll tell us not to vote for whoever is going to be his replacement though.
Eh, their new dissent orders seem to be “Biden can’t appoint Harris! I didn’t vote for her!” which, of course, displays a total lack of knowledge about what primaries are and what the DNC is.
They didn’t want Biden to run, and now they mysteriously don’t want the person most of the party supports to run either.
The uptick in those types of accounts makes this site start to feel like 2016 reddit 😂. Lemmy has become large enough to justify investment of bots to brigade and astroturf; we’ve made it!
Get ready to repeat this: “The Biden of today is not the Biden who was voted for in the primaries.” Even Biden himself acknowledged that by stepping aside as candidate!
And her past as a prosecutor, and the fact that she lost the primary 4 years ago, and her laugh. In addition to yours, that’s all I’ve seen so far. They ran “Heels up Harris” into the ground several years ago, but I do think it will make a return at some point. It was a shit insult but so are the others they’re trying to use.
Really all they have is a terrible legal gambit to try to keep her off ballots. That one is laughably bad. No deadlines have passed. The idiot at the front of the House said something stupid. I would hammer that until election day. “The Republicans did their best to keep us off the ballot because they hate freedom and democracy. They don’t want you to have a choice. And Trump endorsed Harris. Here’s the check.”
Now they’re panicking and can’t decide if she’s unlikable or if she’s the “whacky aunt” entertaining everyone at the barbecue.
I went to the other place to check TFGs meltdown tweets or truths or turds or whatever they call them and I was not disappointed. He is asking for his money back because the attack ads they’ve purchased were against Joe.
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
ALL of the tentative happiness about Harris maybe being a stronger candidate than Biden was, is coming from people who were either neutral or defending Biden before. The people who were giving a firehose of criticism to Biden and demanding that it was MANDATORY for him to step down have, for the good of the Democrats and the country, have for the most part fallen silent, and a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
Several others are not. Including a person who has been posting anti-Biden articles in this community for months, who has now switched to anti-Harris articles.
lol that’s a really broad extrapolation of what, a few people you saw that happened to post something in the last day? Just boldly labeling anyone who had a criticism of Biden as a bitter troll or something?
Wasn’t rabid before, but I was one of those for Biden stepping down in favor of Kamala. I just wanted a strong voice that was capable of at least countering Trump’s endless spew of lies. But I have noticed those that are now bashing Kamala were also telling people not to vote for Biden.
Remember the end of season 1 of "Arcane", where everything looks like maybe it's gonna be okay, and then you get to see in slow motion how an unexpected spasm of violence undoes anything good that might have been building, and you know everything's gonna be bad, bad bad, going forward?
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
Really? I’ve seen plenty of posts like that. Stuff like “Donated to the democratic party to show this was necessary”, “Finally, we can safely roast Trump for being old and senile”, “I don’t care who the replacement is, thank god he’s out”.
There are some shit-stirrers, but they seem to be the minority.
Disclaimer: I am not American, cannot vote or donate, am heavily invested in the election due to the ramifications on Ukraine.
Just look around this comment section, and other comment sections in !news and !politicalmemes
As I said, there’s the occasional commenter that is trying to throw shit at the democratic party generally, but by and large the majority of comments are in favour of this, and if you click through to individual users it’s not hard to find users that were hoping that Biden would drop out a week ago.
We’ve never had a pair of candidates this unpopular. (Maybe Trump vs Clinton)
If the Dems had any kind of brains, they absolutely would pick someone else at the convention. Just not Harris; She might be the only one, less popular than Biden is.
At this point, I guess she’s a better pick than Biden, just not by much.
I still want an open convention, and someone else.
I think the missing factor to consider is that Biden is unpopular mostly because of the media telling absolute dogshit lies about him like that he was bad for the economy.
Sure, he's old. But if "elderly" was a disqualifying factor, then "insurrectionist" would be, also. I think the issue is that the media is going in the tank against the progressive, as they tend to do, and that that has the potential to swing against any genuinely decent candidate that the Democrats want to put forward. I sorta hesitate to say that a good answer to that is "okay well let's just put forward a more corporate friendly candidate who will be 'popular' with the people whose perception is shaped by the media."
But if “elderly” was a disqualifying factor, then “insurrectionist” would be, also.
Those two things are unrelated.
One is a crime, the other is inevitable.
But my issue is that nearly all the Democratic elite, are more or less anti-progressive. The only real economic populist thing I know Biden did was appoint Lina Kahn as the FTC chair.
I would love to see her as a candidate! But she chose to be born in England, taking herself out of the running.
The only real economic populist thing I know Biden did was appoint Lina Kahn as the FTC chair.
Half a trillion dollars spent addressing climate change, huge boosts to domestic manufacturing and unions, resulting in big wage gains for the working class outpacing even historic levels of inflation, income inequality actually going down which usually doesn’t happen in the US, big hike in corporate tax by two trillion dollars to pay for all of that
The fact that Biden wasn’t seen as a victory for working people and progressive goals in the US is a sign of how INSANELY counterfactual our media created political reality is
Biden’s legacy is secure. He can rest easy as the man who beat back the right-wing fascist autocracy and led the country to elect the first female president. 🤞
They’re waiting on the next talking points from their Russian overlords. Give it a day or so and they’ll be back with some new, yet all the same, arguments.
I actually was curious about it, so I looked over his posts, and it's all over the place. Pro-Marianne Williamson, anti-Nancy Pelosi, pro-open convention and by implication anti-"coronation", criticizing Harris for not being LBGTQ friendly enough...
Actually. You know what, it's not really all that all over the place. 🙂 It's just a little bit subtle with the consistent anti-Harris / anti-Democrat message, from different angles, enough so that I didn't really pick up on it until I started typing them out.
Also I notice Marianne Williamson is starting to edge out Cornel West as the nonsensical candidate to support instead of the candidate that might be able to win the election
But do please explain why I shouldn’t have ignored the people I wasn’t criticizing when I was criticizing another group. Is this some weird ‘both sides’ thing?
While I never told anyone not to vote for Biden, I definitely openly bitched about him not being capable of speaking and the absolute joke it is. I’m not a fan of Harris, but my God, a sentient adult I’d amazing.
We don’t need project 2025 to fill all elected appointments with lackeys and yes-men – we’ve got a shadowy cabal of billionaires already doing it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
This would be a good time for republicans to campaign on all the politics they intend to run. Lol. They’ve been unusually silent lately. because they can’t find common ground on anything but being anti-democrat.
GOP will implode on itself if Democrats just stay silent for a week or two.
I wouldn’t say sexy. But I’ll say this about Kelly;
Mark Kelly is the embodiment of everything that Conservative America thinks it stands for. When white christian families tuck their kids into the bed at night and tell them about people they should be looking up to and idolizing, it’s Kelly. War Hero, Fighter Pilot, Astronaut from a family of cops.
The twist that he’s a democrat and believes in everything they in reality hate will break MAGA’s fucking brain, and (I think) bring in a lot of what I can “non-republican conservatives”; ie, people who are among the 40% of Americans who don’t vote because, while they live a christian-conservative lifestyle, they don’t necessarily believe in the Republican bullshit.
I can respect that kind of conservativism. I don’t really agree with it anymore, but I can at least respect it. I don’t really think it’s a good idea to nominate anyone but Harris for the presidential role, but Kelly would probably stomp, if we lived in a slightly less cursed timeline.
Mark is barely an astronaut compared to his twin brother, who has 10x the spaceflight time and actual EVA hours.
Still, I’d love to see a democratic astronaut on the ticket. Someone with affinity for science and earths delicate balance, while also a remarkable military history.
Oh, and he’s a senator from ARIZONA. He unseated a Republican after McCains special election.
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