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samus12345 , in 'Zionist-free zone': Israelis are increasingly unwanted at global tourism sites
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The Israeli government sucks, but it’s not fair to punish its traveling citizens for that.

Deceptichum ,
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Yes it is.

The Israel government does not exist in a vacuum. Its Israelis running the government, Israelis committing war crimes, and its Israelis who should be held accountable for their actions.

samus12345 ,
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“The American government does not exist in a vacuum. It’s Americans running the government, Americans committing war crimes, and it’s Americans who should be held responsible for their actions.”

Yen ,

You are not making the point you think you are.

Beetschnapps ,

So logical fallacies are valid to you?

ProvableGecko ,

Glad you get the picture

samus12345 , (edited )
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As long as you’re consistent. Also make sure to replace the country name with pretty much every large country, since they all commit war crimes. Something about glass houses and throwing stones applies.

ProvableGecko ,

Nah actually I won’t do that. The USA is special for its status as the hegemon and for the amount and viciousness of the atrocities it committed to uphold that status throughout history. It’s up there right next to British and Roman empires and maybe the Mongols.

samus12345 ,
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Don’t mistake the inability to commit war crimes at the scope the US does with an unwillingness to.

explodicle ,

“You forget Poland!”

— George W. Bush

WldFyre ,

Where do you live?

Allero ,

Oh, so civilian Palestinians are therefore wholly responsible for Hamas attacks in October and suffer reasonable consequences?

Civilians are NOT RESPONSIBLE, I can’t believe I have to explain that.

Deceptichum ,
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Gaza isn’t a democracy and the average Palestinian wasn’t even born yet when Hamas gained power.

So no.

In a democracy, where the people have the say, they have the responsibility for who they elect to represent and act for them.

Allero ,

In a perfect democracy, 49% of people can be strictly against the government and its actions, yet you suggest they are responsible for it.

Many Israelis and Jews have denounced the attacks, and should not be responsible for what happens.

SloppyPuppy ,

Reminder that the current israeli government got only 49% of the votes. They lost the popular vote so to speak.

ytg ,

Its Israelis running the government

Elected government. Have you heard of majority rule? The government needs only 50% + 1 votes to get in power. Also consider the low voter turnout.

awesome_lowlander ,

Also consider the low voter turnout.

Isn’t that an argument for blaming them? Their govt is ducked and they can’t be bothered to vote

ytg ,

Maybe? But then you’d have to blame Arab citizens of Israel (however they may identify) the most. They make up a fifth of the population only about 15% of voters (in the last election). There’s a comparison to be drawn to the “not voting for Biden” crowd[1].

[1] - It is different, as Biden is too moderate for some people, but that’s not an issue with Arab parties in Israel. It’s more a feeling that, even with a high seat count, nothing can be done, which may or may not be true.

Letstakealook ,

They all serve in the IDF. They have all been actively involved in war crimes. There are no innocent Israeli adults.

Allero ,

They have not all beem involved in battle in Gaza, and some could also flee to avoid serving.

I can’t believe we have to explain that not all citizens are responsible for war when Israel makes such wide radical assumptions to raze Gaza.

You’re playing the wrong (Israeli) side when you assume civilians are to blame.

ytg ,

This is going to get you nowhere. What are you saying? Lock everyone up? Despite being wrong and immoral, it’s also impractical.

Letstakealook ,

I didn’t say any of that shit you made up. It is not immoral for a business to deny service to war criminals and child killers. I’ll stand on that any day of the week.

ytg ,

They all serve in the IDF. They have all been actively involved in war crimes.

How does that follow? In your opinion, is involed in war crimes the same as war criminals, and that the same as child killers? Where do you make the distinction, if not?

I didn’t say any of that […]

I know. That’s why I added a question mark.

Letstakealook ,

OK, why not? Deport them all to their countries of origin and have them tried for their crimes.

b161 ,

Go look up some interviews of Israeli citizens on the street, their Tik Tok videos, etc. and find out what the average Israeli citizen has to say about Palestinians. The entire society has been brainwashed into being genocidal maniacs. The vast majority of the citizens are just as bad as the government.

tlou3please , in Ex-Porsche Lawyer Sentenced After Throwing Her Newborn Out Window So It Wouldn't Disrupt Her Career

Least psychopathic lawyer

ThePantser , in Musk plans to give $45 mln a month to new pro-Trump PAC, WSJ reports
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  • fartington , in Sen. Bob Menendez guilty of all 16 charges in corruption scheme that rocked NJ politics

    Fucking finally. Looking forward to voting for Mr. Andy Kim.

    _haha_oh_wow_ , in CIA director says Hamas leader is facing growing pressure from his own commanders to end Gaza war
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    I bet they are

    peg , in Donald Trump Does Not Get Post-Shooting Poll Boost

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  • Veedem , in Sen. Bob Menendez guilty of all 16 charges in corruption scheme that rocked NJ politics
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    It’s always funny how when it’s a democratic politician found guilty, everyone agrees it’s fair and right. When it’s a Republican, it’s a witch hunt for half of the country.

    gAlienLifeform ,
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    Shit, I’m struggling to remember the last time they let it get as far as a guilty conviction or plea for a congressional Republican

    Lemminary ,

    And I’m struggling to remember a time when one wasn’t convicted every other week!

    eran_morad ,

    Hastert? No, that Duncan Hunter dude. Who was — of course — pardoned by trump.

    NotMyOldRedditName ,

    That dude who literally lied through his teeth the whole campaign? House member?

    Feathercrown , in Sen. Bob Menendez guilty of all 16 charges in corruption scheme that rocked NJ politics
    CaptainKickass , in Sen. Bob Menendez guilty of all 16 charges in corruption scheme that rocked NJ politics

    Good. Fuck what side you’re on.

    p5yk0t1km1r4ge , in Sen. Bob Menendez guilty of all 16 charges in corruption scheme that rocked NJ politics
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    Sigh. If only he were President, then it’d be OK.

    Got_Bent ,

    Or a supreme Court Justice

    Delusional ,

    If he just ran as republican, he’d have the backing of all the other corrupt criminal republicans in office.

    RememberTheApollo_ , in Rifle used by Trump rally shooter bought 11 years ago, person familiar says

    Interesting that the investigators say he had “no strongly held political beliefs”, while people who knew him say he was right leaning, Republican, and of course he was a registered Republican voter.

    Is “no strongly held political beliefs” code for “we don’t want to talk about him being Republican”?

    Fedizen ,

    exactly this.

    PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

    Or their definition of “strongly held” is just skewed to the extremes. Sort of like how during the pandemic, any case of COVID that didn’t require a ventilator was considered “mild”. Even if you feel like you’re dying, it’s a triage situation and you don’t need urgent medical attention. So even if your symptoms are debilitating, they aren’t imminently life-threatening and you’re considered mild.

    skuzz , in Musk plans to give $45 mln a month to new pro-Trump PAC, WSJ reports

    While campaign finance laws are dogshit these days, isn’t there some kind of upper limit on how much one can donate to a campaign?

    Reverendender ,

    That’s why he’s not donating to the campaign. He’s donating to a Maga PAC.

    oxjox ,
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    There are limits to what an individual can donate to a campaign and a PAC. There are no limits to donating to a Super PAC.

    fec.gov/…/contribution-limits-nonconnected-pacs/
    fec.gov/…/contributions-to-super-pacs-and-hybrid-…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee#…

    Super PACs are unlike traditional PACs in that they may raise unlimited amounts from individuals, corporations, unions, and other groups to spend on, for example, ads overtly advocating for or against political candidates. However, they are not allowed to either coordinate with or contribute directly to candidate campaigns or political parties.

    Upsidedownturtle ,

    One thing to note is pac money is less efficient than campaign money. Campaigns get the lowest rate for advertisements while pacs pay market rate. Super pacs technically can’t coordinate with campaigns so there isn’t a unified message, however the FEC is pretty toothless so any coordination would likely have to be very blatant for action to be taken. Their advertisements can also be overly biased by their ultra wealthy donors, ie something that musk cares about a lot may not have significant sway on the public which can cause said ad to be wasted.

    SirDerpy ,

    The answer is similar to the answer of, “Do large corporations pay taxes?”

    Technically, large corporations pay taxes and there’s limits to how much an individual donates to a political campaign.

    But, if the individual uses financial constructs such as SPACS and C-Corporations, they can effectively donate as much as they wish, and even do so covertly.

    It’s like most anything else: The rules are constructed for and enforced inversely proportional to fiscal class.

    Small groups can make a substantial difference by using these tools for “good”. A fantastic example of an idea that scaled beautifully is Proton, a C-corp, soon to be majority owned by a trust with zero liabilities, soon forever subordinate to the principle of privacy in digital services.

    azimir , in FBI, DHS warn of possible 'follow-on or retaliatory' attacks in wake of Trump assassination attempt

    Since it was a Conservative Republican who shot at him. Would they be retaliating against other republicans?

    Or (more likely) would they be like the drunk idiots at the bar who just start swinging at anything that moves in their stupidity and anger?

    MelodiousFunk ,

    The latter of course. This is the excuse the ammosexuals needed to Do Bad Things.

    NOT_RICK ,
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    Can we say conclusively the shooter was a conservative Republican? I know they were registered to the party but they also donated to Democratic campaigns. I think ascribing any kind of political affiliation or motivation to him is premature

    Captainvaqina ,

    His high school classmates said that he was staunchly conservative.

    NOT_RICK ,
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    Hadn’t seen that, thanks

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod , (edited )
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    The donation was from a different person, and his classmates have said he’s a conservative, and his parents had Trump signs in their yard

    NOT_RICK ,
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    Do you have a source for the donation? I just read a Forbes article and they’re still reporting he made the donation

    Valmond ,

    Maybe some of the craziest, who believed in the most craziest stuff, and thus will feel the most wrong-doed/betrayed, starts to understand it was just lies?

    NeptuneOrbit ,

    It’s only fair if Biden gets shot in the ear too - Both Siders

    Zaktor ,

    Since a conservative shot Trump, it is our duty as liberals to nick Biden so that it’s fair.

    Dorkyd68 ,

    This entire election has been nothing but drunk idiots swinging at anything that moves

    Fedizen , in Donald Trump Does Not Get Post-Shooting Poll Boost

    If Trump loses the election he got shot for nothing and will have the worlds most hilarious breakdown. Make it so.

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  • ChairmanMeow ,
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    Trump is way too much of a wuss to cut himself, nor is he dextrous enough to professionally hide himself doing it.

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  • BigDanishGuy ,

    GTFO with that bullshit! An innocent bystander got killed, show some respect. The projectile was capture on video, do you really think that Trump would let anybody shoot live ammo at him? Puleeese!

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  • retrospectology ,
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    I mean, someone quite literally did capture the bullet itself:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d1575fea-b033-43db-b194-08f1ae95d785.jpeg

    Fedizen ,

    is that even the bullet that him? it looks to low to hit the top of his ear

    PriorityMotif ,
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    I was thinking that it might be blood carried by the bullet.

    On a side note, I wonder if that hat is bulletproof or something, it looks so weird.

    IzzyJ ,
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    That’s the perspective screwing you up, its hitting the ear on the other side of his head. Compare to where the bandage is on OP

    ChaoticEntropy ,
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    ProdigalFrog ,

    The bullet was captured in a photo midflight.

    cnn.com/…/doug-mills-trump-rally-photo-src-digvid

    I understand why you’d suspect this was a false flag, but it really seems like it wasn’t.

    Gsus4 ,
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    I don’t believe it was false flag, particularly because it is really easy to hit by mistake if you take a shot like that, but it is still intriguing that trump got out in the open to pose for his photo and exposing himself if there were a second or third shooters out there… but the simple explanation is that he is not smart enough to have considered that :)

    kembik ,

    The Pod Save America ep from today discussed this, Jon Lovett said that Trump has often talked about being a target in a public place and may well have thought about what he would do in that moment. ‘hes a showman’.

    RIPandTERROR ,
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    🤡Honk🤡

    Audacious ,

    I hope he has a breakdown and it’s public when he loses again.

    FelixCress ,

    “Frankly, we won this election” 😂

    demizerone , in Donald Trump Does Not Get Post-Shooting Poll Boost

    This mother f’er has to be the luckiest human to ever live.

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