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Snapz , in House Republican Immediately Accuses Biden of Having ‘Sent the Orders’ to Kill Trump in Bizarre Post
Klear ,

Moisturise me!

gAlienLifeform OP , in Secret Service: We Didn’t Turn Down Trump’s Extra Security Request
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

I think this article that lists five different times the Secret Service had major security lapses since 2012 is also worth reading

My theory is that Trump was getting the best security the Secret Service can give, and they’re just really bad at their jobs for some reason

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Is it just that it’s a really fucking hard job? How do you protect someone who wants to travel the country and stand in front of live audiences of thousands of people, without getting in the way of the personal experience they are trying to sell?

If you are as controversial as Trump, anyone can be an assassin and the secret service have to somehow separate crazy fan from crazy assassin, in a thousand different venues. The only real option is a bulletproof Popemobile.

Chainweasel ,

Someone reported the shooter 3 minutes before the first shots were fired.
“Follow up on suspicious reports” doesn’t sound like it’s a very hard part of the job.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

“There’s a shooter in the stadium somewhere, find them in the next 3 minutes” actually sounds like a really hard job.

Chainweasel ,

They pointed to the guy on the roof…

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I honestly think you’re underestimating how hard this is. 3 minutes is probably not enough time to get to the roof let alone find him if he moved.

Chainweasel ,

It’s not that hard to pull Trump from the stage until they had time to assess threat.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

They had snipers set up on the other roofs. Turn and look when you get the radio call.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

All the more reason to not be concerned when someone reports a gunman on the roof?

fartington ,

I think ginger Wayne Static even said that from the angle of the roof the shooter was on, secret service couldn’t actually see him. I guess until he exposed himself to take the shots.

Quick edit: They still should have pulled Trump from the stage. If there are multiple people yelling that there is someone with a gun on a roof, you don’t let Trump keep talking lol, like wtf.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Yeah, but we don’t know how often they get false reports. I think from now on the security approach will probably change.

fartington ,

100%

aphlamingphoenix ,

ginger Wayne Static

This is so good.

someguy3 ,

“There’s a shooter in the stadium, get Trump off the stage” is really fucking easy.

nobody158 ,

Yeah like you are getting tRump off a stage while he is ranting with just one report

someguy3 ,

Yes, you do. You push him off, he doesn’t get a say in it. Nevermind that he probably would want to, he doesn’t want to get shot.

PyroNeurosis ,

Abusing that system to silence him would be super easy.

Zaktor ,

It wasn’t clear from the Trump-visor guy that he actually reported anything, just yelled and pointed and assumed they’d pick up on it. What the security actually saw and heard is another question. Maybe if you see a suspected assassin coming for your godking, it’s important enough to actually leave your seat and talk to someone directly.

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  • LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    Right? They were directly told and chose to ignore it.

    gAlienLifeform OP ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, I definitely wouldn’t want to do their job (and Trump with his thing for rallies is probably extra tough), but I don’t think the drunk driving crashes and visiting sex workers while traveling overseas with the President helps

    Dave ,
    @Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

    Yeah, I’ll give you that one. I’m assuming there’s a super tough process to be selected for the secret service, like an astronaut selection process? But maybe I’m assuming wrong.

    gAlienLifeform OP ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    @mozz made a really good comment here that I think starts to answer this

    I imagine it’s just incredibly difficult to take your job super seriously when any given thing only happens like once every 5-10 years, and probably not to you. I imagine most secret service people who are doing security spend 100% of their careers just standing around and then retire with nothing having happened.

    At one point, US embassy security details had this problem, and what they settled on was rotating active-duty combat troops in straight from the field so they were super alert. After about 6 months they would start to relax, and they would rotate them out and have fresh people.

    I won’t claim to know what the answer is for the SS but clearly there are some issues with the way they’re doing it.

    I could see something like - someone is the best of the best, gets selected for a very prestigious Secret Service posting, then nothing happens and they just have to pick up dry cleaning and watch the fanciest and most pretentious people in the world attend cocktail parties for several years, and eventually they end up visiting sex workers and drinking on duty and things like that

    Dave ,
    @Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

    That’s a really good point, it must be hard keeping them on top of their game.

    KevonLooney ,

    I am not in security, but I have worked in secure areas. The way you prevent issues is having multiple layers of security that watch each other.

    Like you prevent individual employees from committing fraud by having other employees sign off on their work. Then you prevent those employees from colluding to commit fraud by having another group of employees monitor their actions. Finally a third group of employees audits everyone occasionally (at random).

    This way it requires at least 4 people who don’t know each other to do anything illegal. I’m sure the Secret Service could do with some audits. Like literally have an entire team of Secret Service people test them, trying to trick them into making a mistake.

    vividspecter ,

    Somewhat unrelated topic, but this is why driving is so dangerous at a population level. Most of the time, nothing happens even if you take a bunch of risks. But if enough risks occur at the same time, people die (Swiss cheese model).

    Wrench ,

    I think most secret service are ex military, often special ops. Former SEALS, etc.

    You tend to get a certain kind of personality with that kind of experience. So you have to accept a little bit of risk with after hour entertainment.

    IamSparticles ,

    To get assigned to protect a president? Yes, that’s a pretty tough selection process. The Secret Service has other responsibilities, though. Presidential protection details are just one possible assignment. It just happens to be the most high profile and prestigious assignment. But they were actually chartered as a law-enforcement/intelligence branch of the Department of the Treasury, so they also investigate a range of financial crimes, including (but not limited to) forgery, counterfeiting, wire fraud, etc. At the time that it was decided the president needed constant protection (after McKinley was assassinated in 1901), the FBI didn’t exist yet, or else they might have gotten the job.

    LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s a “hard job,” yet they were literally informed about the shooter crawling to location and ignored it. Seems like incompetence at minimum

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    I imagine it’s just incredibly difficult to take your job super seriously when any given thing only happens like once every 5-10 years, and probably not to you. I imagine most secret service people who are doing security spend 100% of their careers just standing around and then retire with nothing having happened.

    At one point, US embassy security details had this problem, and what they settled on was rotating active-duty combat troops in straight from the field so they were super alert. After about 6 months they would start to relax, and they would rotate them out and have fresh people.

    I won’t claim to know what the answer is for the SS but clearly there are some issues with the way they’re doing it.

    jonne ,

    My guess is that most of his SS agents are chosen because they’re loyalists, not because of any particular skill.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    SS agents are chosen because they’re loyalists

    This was also true in the 1930s, funny how history repeats.

    tiefling ,

    If they don’t want to be called SS, maybe they should stop protecting a Hitler wannabe

    FlyingSquid , in Secret Service: We Didn’t Turn Down Trump’s Extra Security Request
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Pissing off the Secret Service might not be the best move considering they know where all the bodies, metaphorical and possibly literal, are buried.

    gAlienLifeform OP ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe, but Republicans have to stay on the offensive somehow or we might have a chance to remember that time Trump joked about the assassination attempt on Pelosi

    p5yk0t1km1r4ge , in House Republican Immediately Accuses Biden of Having ‘Sent the Orders’ to Kill Trump in Bizarre Post
    @p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

    Even if he did it’d be an official act and you can’t do shit, bitch

    Enkers ,

    Wouldn’t that eventually come back to SCOTUS, though, and have “official” determined by: Republican ✅ Democrat ❌

    TheReturnOfPEB , in MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally

    The WSJ:

    Biden’s Rhetoric Grew Heated in Recent Days

    A few days ago the WSJ said Biden was old and ineffectual. Now Biden is a power master.

    Pick a fucking lane, WSJ

    ChillPenguin , in House Republican Immediately Accuses Biden of Having ‘Sent the Orders’ to Kill Trump in Bizarre Post

    There it is folks.

    GarrulousBrevity , in Secret Service: We Didn’t Turn Down Trump’s Extra Security Request

    Man, any narrative that avoids talking about gun control

    Bluefalcon ,

    He talks about there being blood if loses. Relaxed gun regulations and appointed Judges that will keep it that way. When you act like a strong man expect stupid shit.

    LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    Live by the sword, die by the sword, so to speak

    Emmy , in House Republican Immediately Accuses Biden of Having ‘Sent the Orders’ to Kill Trump in Bizarre Post

    To biden: Just do it. They were always going to accuse you. They’ll charge you when you lose. Just actually do it.

    thestar , in House Republican Immediately Accuses Biden of Having ‘Sent the Orders’ to Kill Trump in Bizarre Post
    @thestar@mastodon.social avatar

    Mike Collins is a conspiracy theorist in congress, what a ridiculous person.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    If only he were the only one.

    Three members of congress have been on Ancient Aliens.

    lemmy.world/post/17523333

    SeattleRain , in The Only Kind of “Political Violence” All U.S. Politicians Oppose

    Finally a good take on this.

    Etterra , in House Republican Immediately Accuses Biden of Having ‘Sent the Orders’ to Kill Trump in Bizarre Post

    And so fucking what. What are they gonna do. Are they gonna outlaw the exact thing that SCOTUS decided because it suddenly occurred to them that a sword cuts both ways? No. They just going to make a lot of fucking noise to rile up their own base. We all know where this is going and it’s nowhere good. And the worst part - the worst part? America was able to bail Europe out of the debacle when it happened last time. There’s nobody to bail us out of this cluster fuck.

    el_abuelo ,

    Ummmm you might care to remember that the USSR also “bailed out” Europe.

    You know…in the sense that you were dragged into a war you had no intention of joining, by a foe that had already gone 11 rounds with the UK and Russia.

    The UK spent an entire empire “bailing out” europe. Twice. But we don’t hark on about it.

    But you’re right about one thing - no one is coming to bail you out. You’ve made it abundantly clear you will only act unilaterally. Europe will stay in its lane, quietly hope that Trump has a stroke, but ready to stand on its own for a 3rd time.

    TootSweet , in Religious Group Targets Parent With Copyright Lawsuit Over Kids' Curriculum.

    This does not “promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts”.

    Etterra , in Lawyers for ‘Rust’ armourer move to get case dismissed after Baldwin trial collapses

    That’s not exactly surprising - I’m pretty sure a first-year law student would do as much. The real question is will it actually get dismissed. Normally I would suspect not, but we live in the weirdest fucking timeline, so who the hell knows.

    Dorkyd68 , in MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally

    I just man… ya know like… don’t fucking care anymore, I just dont

    Adderbox76 , in Lawyers for ‘Rust’ armourer move to get case dismissed after Baldwin trial collapses

    Sorry kid. Someone’s gotta swing and they weren’t ever going to let it be the rich guy.

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