Reddit’s megathread on this is already broken. Just goes to show how terrible it is, you’d think after all this time they’d figure out how to run a website…
It makes him a martyr. Biden was already an extremely weak leader with a massive public perception problem. Trump surviving an assassination attempt while defiantly pumping his fist in the air is the clarion call for Amerikan Fascism.
Biden was already losing in every single swing state. I believe his existing chances before this event for winning reelection were somewhere around 10% at best. This obliterated those chances entirely. The average person is dumb as fuck, and they will vote for strong man leadership. It is a generational mind virus that rises up over and over again in the human psyche. This generation will be no different.
People who would sit at home and not vote may be more likely to vote. I hope every able person votes, but this may turn the tide if the other side doesn’t turn out in full force.
Two main effects are to be expected: More people leaning towards him, that might not have gone to the polls out of whatever reason (lacking enthusiasm for example) will be more fired up to go vote, and his base will be more fired up to support him in grassroots campaigning. Also, some undecided voters will likely switch from the martyrdom narrative.
This was the worst possible outcome. Unless someone intends on finishing the job it may as well be his election now.
He’ll spend the rest of the election telling people how strong he is, how Biden could not have survived and he’ll use the attack to validate all his claims of Democrat corruption/Republican righteousness.
Unfortunately I think he pretty much had the election the moment the democrats showed weakness by publically doubting their own candidate. But yes, this seals the deal for a trump win this year. What a damn fool. This is something that if you are going to do, you need to make absolutely sure you finish the job apripriately. You fuck this up and you end up giving him a gift.
i agree, but also assassinating the president cannot be an easy task, and considering how far away they were, literally grazing his head is a very very good attempt. trump got absurdly lucky here
You are missing that there is nothing good about this. His protections will double, his base will rally, he will justify further insane actions as he takes over the US. This is like swatting at a hornet and missing and saying it was a pretty great swat though as it stings you repeatedly in the face. Trump gets absurdly lucky with everything. He is meritless but propped up my multitudes of special interests and hordes of uneducated fools.
Well, yeah this really really isn’t good. This outcome is the worst of anything that couldve happened, but it also was absurdly, stupidly, close, if the wind had gusted differently, or if trump moved his head differently while speaking, we would be having a very different conversation.
If you make a great, almost certainly deadly, swat at a hornet, but it miraculously escapes and stings you in the face, acknowledging that it was a good try at least is fair.
Doubt it. The people, the actual Democratic voters, not numbers, know what’s at stake, nobody is changing their vote over this, nobody is going to lose votes over this.
There are hardline Democrats and Republicans who aren’t going to change their positions over anything. There’s also many people who don’t pay close attention to politics and only pick up on big news like this. Those are the people that are going to be influenced unfortunately. These people exist. They are uninformed, easily influenced and they can swing the outcome unfortunately.
Do you actually know those people IRL? People on the fence? I haven’t talked to anyone who hasn’t already had their vote decided. The political climate has been the most divisive in my lifetime, to the point where the people I’ve spoken with IRL are either dug in with Trump or dug in against Trump. This scene doesn’t change Trumps degressive views or awful policies. It doesn’t change Trump from being a Felon or suspected pedophile.
If there are swing voters it’s likely a really small number. At the end of the day the Democrats are dug in on Not Trump, and they have the numbers. They showed up for the last election, and the divisive politics have kept it in their peripheral since. RvW was huge, 2025 has been getting traction. There ain’t many left that don’t have their political compass set.
Biden added: “Jill and I are grateful to the Secret Service for getting him to safety. There’s no place for this kind of violence in America. We must unite as one nation to condemn it,”
Must the Democrats champion good manners ALL the time? Jesus Christ he’s a fascist! Fuck good sportsmanship!
Who the fuck are you trying to impress? Who’s going to consider this the moment they vote for Biden over Trump?
“Violence has no place in America.”
Cops killing citizens. Native genocide. Genocide in Palestine. Protesters being beaten. People using their “rights” being arrested and killed. Slow socially accepted murder caused by poverty. Rights for Queer youth being taken away, which leads to self harm.
Why do they just give “thoughts and prayers” to Hitler 2.0? Trump isn’t going to be kind with this, he’ll start saying every Democrat is responsible for this. Fuck the “higher moral ground”.
Because like it or not saying “Too bad you didn’t die from that” will not only lose moral high ground but also already-can’t-aford-to-lose votes?
Are you suddenly pro-violence because one is a someone you think is the Hitler 2.0? I get the sentiment but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what Jan 6 people would say to Joe.
Don’t fuck the higher moral ground. Why be them to fight them? Celebrating public shooting is doing more than just losing moral highground…
“Thoughts and prayers to the man who wishes to make America a fascist dictatorship because of Russia. It’d be rude to wish that man dead.”
Violence to fascists is self defense for minorities, especially ones like me. I bet you if Trump died, the Mexicans locked in cages at the border would cheer. I would.
When Trump starts calling for certain politicians to be unalive and even gets the ok from the Supreme Court, I hope all the people crying about the moral high ground remember this moment
Take some solace in the fact that thoughts and prayers are laughably useless. It’s just “well isn’t that a shame” only somehow society hasn’t caught on that it’s a fucking joke.
Do you really think that Trump wouldn’t be replaced by a more evil and intelligent republican, and then win because of Trump being a martyr?
The republicans have Trump as a runner because he’s the only one who has any chance or winning. As soon as he’s politically-motivated murdered, that changes completely. It’d be even scarier to have an actual smart fascist at the helm.
That makes so much sense! Hitler had to commit suicide because no one else could execute him without risking losing the moral high ground! I can’t believe I never realized that!
We have other means to stop Trump. If he gets elected and becomes Hitler 2.0 dictator as advertised and that there’s no other way to stop him I’d say go for it. Heck, I think constitution would too.
This is not the trolley problem. The question is not kill Trump or. The killing attempt failed. Trump is alive. There is nothing to gain by advocating for political violence after a failed assassination attempt.
If this was an assassination attempt on Hitler in 1939, would the trolley problem not apply? If the attempt succeeded before his successful rise to power, how many lives would have ultimately been saved?
I don’t think you can say either way for sure which outcome would lead to less bloodshed… I do know that trying and missing is probably the worst possible outcome…
Don’t forget allowing abortion bans so teen and child rape victims are forced to give birth to their rapists’ babies. And Tuskegee. And lack of healthcare access which kinda eugenics disabled people. And the CIA. Guantanamo. The government’s response to the AIDs epidemic.
So, I am fearing this will not only rally all Trump supporters to really vote for and support him extra hard, and get some undecideds to his side for his martyr status, but it might also spark a wave of stochastic terrorism and shootings by some right-wingers acting out, who will want to deliver justice to whatever group they will blame.
There is definitely some danger of this potentially spiraling, not guaranteed, but that will depend on some more potentially chaotic weeks ahead. Stay safe, stay prepared, stay organised.
Not really. The guy who saw the shooter also said that nobody, including him, could see the shooter clearly as he was climbing up the other side of the roof. What the guy mostly saw was the rifle (that was slung on the shooter’s back) wiggling back and forth as the shooter crawled up the roof to the peak.
I don’t think your advocating for or celebrating violence, but this comment is probably going to be taken that way and deleted. I totally agree with your point though, a failed assassination attempt is probably the worst thing you can do to a guy who wants to destroy democracy.
All things being equal, I am glad that the assassin failed. I am no fan of Trump by any measure. I wish, every day, that Trump would just go away and stay out of politics.
I feel that assassinating someone like Trump would only intensify the right-wing’s rhetoric and make things worse in the long run. I also feel that whomever would replace Trump would be far much worse than Trump himself. It’s a lose-lose either way.
No, the appropriate thing to do is to vote these bastards out of office. I fear the worst, that maybe we’re going to fail doing that; we’re what, 4 months away from the election and we’re talking about replacing Biden, but NOBODY has said with whom? Yeah that’s confidence inspiring.
My doomer mentality aside, I do still hope I’m wrong, and that democracy and justice will prevail. But dammit if the “good guys” aren’t bending over backwards to make that hard to believe.
we’re talking about replacing Biden, but NOBODY has said with whom?
People have said over, and over, and over that it would be Harris. She is beating both Trump and Biden in the polls, is able to take over the Biden-Harris campaign funds with minimal legal dispute, she appeals more to women, independents, black voters etc.
It’s not a question. She’s not ideal, but she actually stands a chance to beat Trump. Biden does not, especially now. It would be Harris. Now you know.
I have heard that mentionedonce or twice, but never concretely. Most of what I’ve been seeing is that “Biden should step down,” and nothing more.
Either way, the last thing the Democratic Party needs right now is more fragmentation. If they’re going to replace Biden, just fucking do it already. If not, shut the fuck up about it. Time is ticking, and it’s not on our side.
4 months is not a long time to campaign. We’re already halfway through July. This should’ve been figured out long ago.
I have heard that mentionedonce or twice, but never concretely. Most of what I’ve been seeing is that “Biden should step down,” and nothing more.
Because that’s the order of operations. But if you having only heard it twice is because you’re not paying attention, not because people haven’t been talking about it.
Biden has already fragmented the party, he simply cannot win. It’s not viable. No one can force him to leave. And no, people should not “shut the fuck up about it” since doing so means Democrats will lose for sure. Democrats will unify more behind any candidate who is not as polarizing and alienating as Biden. If he stays in past the convention then you can start telling people to shut the fuck up, but until the convention is over people should be doing everything they can to convince him to leave.
It’s going to mobilize his violent base anyway. We have some rough times ahead of us. I fully expect rampant domestic terrorism to increase as a result of this.
I feel that assassinating someone like Trump would only intensify the right-wing’s rhetoric and make things worse in the long run.
I hear that a lot, but I honestly don’t see how. The man is toxic to the core, he consistently takes all the sanity out of public conversation. An America without him is just less crazy and less angry.
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