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JeSuisUnHombre , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

Let’s get those numbers up, I’m not paying.

RagingRobot ,

Great news we are now at 62.0001%

TheWoozy ,

Yeah, but 58% are lying.

Lt_Worf , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

I think this is an example of what people say in surveys being drastically different than what they’ll do in reality.

MeetInPotatoes ,

Today’s phrase is “garnish your wages.” If their protest doesn’t involve moving to another country it’s not going to happen. I’ve thought about it too, but my contingency,for that definitely involves moving to Scandinavia.

bobs_monkey , (edited )

Ah bullshit. Civil rights weren’t achieved by threatening to leave and not be the oppressor’s problem anymore, they were achieved by standing ones ground damned the consequences. No one wants to be a martyr, but that’s how battles are unfortunately won, especially against today’s brand of fascists.

_Mantissa ,

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  • doggle ,

    Can’t garnish imaginary wages [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Then people will just take their checks through an LLC and be independent contractors. Or go into business for themselves. Or just revolt.

    The last one is the most worrisome.

    ineedaunion ,

    The last one is the one we need the most.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    That’s partly why it’s so worrisome. 10 years ago, it would have meant something, but now it’s too late, and I fear now it will only negatively contribute to climate collapse and cause the genocide we hope to avoid.

    I think it might be too late to save the country and we all ought to get several state governments to secede… and if a civil war brews because of that, then it would at least have some semblance of a positive outcome.

    marmo7ade ,

    The government is made up of people we voted for. Want to check voter turn out rates for democrats? And for people under 40? Go check. Do it!

    ineedaunion ,

    More of this. It’s time for mass protests instead of complaining and then working a 9 to 5 and browsing Instagram.

    marmo7ade ,

    Lol that’s why we are in this situation. 99% of the people complaining are gonna go home, order doordash, watch netflix, do nothing, and cry when the world doesn’t magically conform to their expectations.

    You want change? Do something.

    ineedaunion ,

    Fucking exactly.

    PeterPoopshit ,

    The US government: let’s enable the economy to get to the point where it’s basically impossible for young people to even participate in society.

    Also the US government: damn, why do people keep going on suicidal mass shootings? If only there was anything we could do about it.

    ineedaunion ,

    Exactly

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Leave. The. Country.

    CADmonkey ,

    I’m so glad you’re willing to sponsor people who want to leave the US, when can I expect the check?

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Read my other comments on it. You can get well more then enough to move from the gov (unemployment/food stamps/etc)

    DietBajaBlast ,

    Exactly, they’d be ruining their credit scores.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    LOL who tf cares about their american credit score

    quicksand ,

    People who want to buy a house…

    Hazor ,

    Most of them are never going to be able to afford a house.

    quicksand ,

    Right so we should ruin their credit scores so it gets harder to rent (yes rental agencies check) or buy a car (even if they get one, their interest rate will be super high). Better we just fuck people over since they can’t afford a house, right?

    Discoslugs ,
    @Discoslugs@lemmy.world avatar

    Fr

    My credt score is not a choice. Its something i have to deal with.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Leave the country. Rent a house there instead.

    quicksand ,

    Ok so I’ll move to Ireland, since they speak English and I could keep my job I’m sure I’ll have much better luck renting there XD. Go away troll

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Lemmy.world kids will never understand the actual world and how it works…

    You can’t just all complain you’re getting fucked AND agree to all do nothing about it. The rest of the world is watching and laughing at the USA right now.

    Don’t pay your American banks, there is nothing stopping you from doing that.

    quicksand ,

    You say kids, but you’re talking about people who are mostly mid 20s-40s. Exactly how old are you, geezer?

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    20-40s who can “afford to move” should have already done so. Boiling frogs, just sitting there. Owe 80k to Chase Bank? Just. Fucking. Leave.

    quicksand ,

    Many people can’t afford to move. When were you born? Just give me a decade. You sound like a Boomer. Born into a fantastic economic situation, ruining it for the future, and then sitting on the sidelines with stupid fucking opinions

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Calling an outsider looking in, a “boomer,” doesn’t help the situation. My 25-30s were spent just-fucking-escaping that cesspool. Again, if you owe more than say… 10k, it makes more sense to take your diploma to another country.

    10k is way more money than it takes to get to Canada, Germany, France, Spain, Australia, anywhere really. Every single other “industrialized” nation pays for their citizens healthcare because it’s cheaper in the long run.

    If you can find a SEA country that will take you? Even more power to you.

    Don’t see the world from your own lemmy.world myopic-viewpoint. Big, big banks’ collateral will be fucked when these types of loans all collapse and get downgraded by fitch(/etc). Not paying will just shorten the fuse for these trillion $ orgs.

    quicksand , (edited )

    For one, you dodged the question. For two, wanna float me 10+ grand? Promise I’ll pay it back in social security. I already started payment so you know I’m good for it.

    Edit to add (since you’re probably too old to understand acronyms): How old are you? You’ve failed to answer this question

    Zuberi , (edited )
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    Take 100% of what unemployment will pay you for 5-6 weeks. Depends on the state, but this gave me 5.6k. Hunker down and eat staple foods. Even during inflationary times, you can get by pretty cheaply on rice/chicken/eggs.

    Take out a loan with an American country company. If they lent you 100k for school, maybe Sofi or some other online bank would give you 20k. Now prepare to move anything you care about to your destination.

    Zuberi ,
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    UHAUL’s long term rentals are very cheap (esp if you have a hitch already and can tow it yourself). If you don’t have a car, that might be a good first step with the 25.6k if you’re thinking of Canada.

    If you’re thinking EU, you’re going to make sure you can get a visa to where you’re going. Also sell most of your heavy items, as you’re going to want to just buy those heavier objects when you get there. Treat items like a price/density ratio and try to keep sentimental things over “I want to be cool” items like heavy computers or other electronics.

    quicksand ,

    Ok sorry for being so flip, this is decent advice. Just stop eating avocado toast and you’ll own a house, guys!!! Just listen to this man!!!1!1!1

    Zuberi ,
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    Getting a passport in the states is the biggest hurdle. Be very specific and follow instructions or they will send it back weeks later saying to fix something (try again). Currently their website lists a “record number” of requests of people trying to leave. :/

    Something like 10-13 weeks to get a passport…?, USA needs to step tf up

    quicksand ,

    I have a passport already, my work paid for it. That’s not the issue. The issue is that student loans are burdening people in an unmanageable way. Once the payments start kicking in, I’ll be fine, but many people won’t. Should they have not got useless degrees, Ya. But they don’t deserve to suffer for it when everyone told them to choose whatever they want. But that shouldn’t haunt them for the rest of their lives. I’m done arguing, so this is my opinion. Agree or not, that’s fine

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Disengage comrade

    Discoslugs ,
    @Discoslugs@lemmy.world avatar

    I have family here asshole. Im not leaving my nieces.

    You’re a coward for even thinking that is a real option for most people.

    some_designer_dude ,

    What’s the un-cowardly response to financial oppression by your own government?

    arashikage ,
    @arashikage@lemmy.world avatar

    Mass non-compliance

    BURN ,

    Can’t even rent without a credit score a lot of the time

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Buy a house in a different country then if you can afford it.

    CADmonkey ,

    Oh NOES anything but THAT.

    Sensitivezombie ,

    Ppl need to know that student loans (federal or private) and medical related debts don’t impact your credit scores nearly as much as say private loans, mortgage, auto loan, etc.

    reverendsteveii ,

    I think you underestimate how many people simply can’t pay their loans at all

    siph , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

    I’ve been boycotting mine for years.

    Reverendender ,

    You know, I think you just convinced me.

    Sterile_Technique , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    Wouldn’t our wages just get garnished or shit repo’d or something? I’m 100% for forgiveness cuz fuck that predatory shit, but this route seems like a guarantee to just exacerbate harm to the borrowers.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    Nothing will be repoed. They may garnish your wages but at the end of the day, there is no collateral.

    cbarrick ,

    Garnished wages is still a huge problem.

    Student loans are not forgiven in bankruptcy.

    The federal government will garnish borrowers wages until they are paid, even if the borrower is bankrupt.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    They look at your wages and expenses. I knew a dentist who got garnished 10 dollars a month. That’s all he could afford.

    You can’t take blood from a turnip

    JustZ ,
    @JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

    Fuck now I want turnips.

    mrnotoriousman ,

    Jan Jansen?

    wintermute_oregon ,

    I went to a place and picked some the other day. Ironically picking your own vegetables is more expensive than buying them.

    jpreston2005 ,

    i applied for income based repayment program 3-4 different times, always denied. I was making around 2k/month, and they wanted me to pay $1000/month. after getting rejected the third or fourth time, I just stopped even attempting to handle the debt in good faith.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    That is insane. I don’t think college should be free but it needs to be less expensive. It shouldn’t cost an arm and leg to go to college and cost more than a car. I strongly support a subsidized school system that is reasonably priced. Free just means fewer people would be able to go. That is how most other countries handle the situation. I want everyone to have access to a low cost education to better themselves either for a job or just for personal enjoyment. I am always taking college classes but it has become a strain on my budget.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @wintermute_oregon @jpreston2005

    Why shouldn't it be free? I mean if businesses are making A LOT of money from the labour of those who've paid extraordinary amounts for their education - and are no where near providing equal compensation for that labour - then businesses should be paying for ALL education.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    I explained why it shouldn’t be free. We would have to limit the number of students like the rest of the world does to control the cost. We would close it off to only the brightest and most people would be excluded from a college education. That is how most countries handle college. Only the best get to go and the rest go to trade school or just work other jobs. I want people here to have the chance to better themselves. That is the American dream.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @wintermute_oregon

    Why would we have to limit the number of students?

    edit to add -- If businesses are paying ALL education costs there's no reasons whatsoever to limit education.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    Then why isn’t anyone else in the world doing it ? Because unit isn’t cost effective.

    Also it isn’t the role of a business to pay for everything you want. That would bankrupt most companies overnight.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @wintermute_oregon

    There are actually 24 countries that have free college education.

    https://financesonline.com/free-college-education-statistics/

    wintermute_oregon ,

    They don’t offer it to everyone. I’ve already addressed that. They control the numbers by standards. Something we don’t do in America.

    A good example is Sweden. Their students come out owing almost as much as the average American.

    www.bustedcubicle.com/advocacy/student-debt#:~:te….

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @wintermute_oregon

    Then do what Canada does.

    It's not that hard to find a better way than what America does now.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    Canada is similar to us.

    blog.gitnux.com/student-debt-in-canada-statistics….

    28k vs 37k with a us worker may more than the Canadian and paying less in taxes. So it’s a wash

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @wintermute_oregon

    The first link you posted says

    "Canada’s policies regarding student loans are similar to those in the US but injected with a small dose of compassion and critical thinking. The federal government provides up to 60 percent of a student’s tuition through the Canadian Student Loan Program (CSLP), while private lenders pick up the rest of the bill. All student loan payments are suspended until a student graduates and earns at least 25,000 CAD annually."

    https://www.bustedcubicle.com/advocacy/student-debt

    wintermute_oregon ,

    That’s similar to ours. You don’t pay until you’re done. We don’t have a lower income range but 25k isn’t very much money. That’s below minimum wage in Canada.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @wintermute_oregon

    Canada does not have a national minimum wage.

    I know that because I live here.

    edit to add -- ... and my income last year was less than $15k.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    You have a minimum wage per province, correct?

    nerdwallet.com/…/canada-minmimum-wage-explained#:…

    College should be affordable and available. It used to be college kids word during the summer to pay their expenses during the college year. I don’t think that is feasible nowadays.

    I also think we need more trade schools. Not everyone needs a degree. We need plumbers, electricians, etc as well.

    b

    grue ,

    Only the best get to go and the rest go to trade school or just work other jobs. I want people here to have the chance to better themselves. That is the American dream.

    But they would have the chance to better themselves, by having good enough scores to get in. That’s what “chance” means. What you’re really suggesting is that everybody be guaranteed college, which is hardly the same thing.

    More to the point, sending everybody to college is a waste and does a disservice both to society and the less-college-inclined individuals who otherwise wouldn’t have gone. We need more people learning actual useful skills like plumbing and welding and whatnot, and we don’t need them wasting years of their life earning a bullshit diploma-mill* bachelor’s degree that they’ll never use and would only serve to inflate the requirements for job applications.

    Besides, if you want the baseline level of education to change from K-12 to K-16, just say that instead.

    (* And they are bullshit diploma mills, because if the people we’re talking about were capable of completing a rigorous curriculum, they’d have succeeded under the merit-based system you’re decrying to begin with.)

    wintermute_oregon ,

    I am suggesting no such thing. I have never suggested guaranteed college for anyone. What I have said is college should be affordable and available. You may be confusing me with the previous person who wants free college for everyone. I don’t support that.

    grue , (edited )

    I’m not confusing anything. You are advocating that people be given “the chance to better themselves,” but apparently failing to understand that a free college system with admissions limited by merit accomplishes exactly that: to give everyone a chance to show sufficient merit to get in!

    By rejecting a merit-based system, you’re actually advocating that everybody be able to go to college even despite failing their “chance,” which sure sounds like a guarantee to me!

    wintermute_oregon ,

    I have never advocated for free college. I am not sure why you keep saying that. I said college should be affordable. I’ve clearly stated I do not think it should be free.

    Once again I never said guaranteed but available. That’s how I system works now. We have community colleges, colleges and universities.

    People can go through the system based on their ability.

    In many countries If they miss a window, that’s it. We don’t have that here and it’s a good thing.

    grue ,

    I have never advocated for free college. I am not sure why you keep saying that.

    I’m not saying that. You’re the one trying to put words in my mouth, not the other way around. If you think that’s incorrect, prove it by quoting me.

    Once again I never said guaranteed but available. That’s how I system works now. We have community colleges, colleges and universities.

    Fine; we’ll pretend for a moment that non-merit-based “availability” is somehow different from a “guarantee” of admission. Either way, it’s way more misguided and harmful to society than free college with limited admissions based solely on merit!

    Again, having everybody get a college degree just for the sake of inflating expectations such that even shitty sales-clerk-type jobs require them as a baseline for consideration does nobody any fucking good! Neither society, nor the degree-holding sales clerks themselves. So what do you hope to accomplish by it?

    The people who can’t get in to college in a limited-admission merit-based system are precisely the ones who are better off not going. This ridiculous “everybody needs to go to college” expectation has created an entire generation of people who are screwed because they wasted half a decade getting useless degrees only to end up with barely mediocre jobs anyway, when they would have been BOTH HAPPIER AND MORE SUCCESSFUL doing the “blue collar” work the dipshit high school guidance counselors warned them away from!

    A lot of the borderline-suicidal sales clerks in this thread should’ve become welders etc., but didn’t because of attitudes like yours.

    P.S.: The notion that people learning a blue-collar skilled trade is somehow incompatible with them “hav[ing] the chance to better themselves” is ridiculously classist. You should be ashamed of yourself for that.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    You keep stating things I never said.

    I said college should be available and you switch to merit. I’ve never said merit shouldn’t be favored in.

    Since I never advocated for everyone to having a degree. I’m not sure why you’re asking me. Sounds like if you’d actually read what I said, you’d realize you’re repeating what I said.

    What I said is we need to have more trade schools to allow people to become carpenters and plumbers.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    We shall see. The court battles could rage for decades.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    They can’t force you to give them money you don’t have. Just leave the country.

    thenerdjournals ,

    yes, I will use the money I don’t have to leave the country. 🧠

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Read my other comments on it. You can get money from the gov (well more than enough to leave)

    grue ,

    Where are you going to get the money or skills to get some other country to accept you, though? If you had those, you wouldn’t be trying to leave (at least for this reason) in the first place!

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    This is a fictional situation where a person loaned money to go/finish school. If you went to school, have a shit ton of debt, AND don’t want to do anything to improve, sure.

    Plenty (PLENTY) of countries take Americans no questions asked. The tough ones to get into are the ones that check your skin color before entry. But for those in particular, just be white and you’ll likely get in anyway. Such is life :/

    grue ,

    It’s not a question of getting in; it’s a question of getting in with the kind of visa that allows you to work and being allowed to stay long-term.

    For example, even a white engineer like me would have trouble immigrating to somewhere like New Zealand without already having an employer lined up beforehand. The relevant type of visa isn’t even accepting new “expressions of interest” right now, LOL.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Using a tiny-ass country as an example of tough immigration is disingenuous. Plenty of places will take you. Open your mind.

    grue ,

    I’m reasonably confident that Canada, Australia, the UK, and Ireland (i.e. the rest of the wealthy English-speaking countries that an American would most likely want to go to), along with the rest of western Europe, have similar restrictions.

    CADmonkey ,

    If enough people refuse to pay, the courts can’t keep up.

    marmo7ade ,

    A building doesn’t garnish your wages. It is a keyboard stroke.

    WhyDoesntThisThingWork , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

    I would love this to be true, but when it comes down to it, I think most of that 63% will make payments as expected. This is just something they can tell a surveyor to make themselves feel better unfortunately.

    PottedPlant , (edited ) in And that's a wrap: Edmonton restaurant chain wins auction for government donair costume
    @PottedPlant@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh man

    That article wrapped me up in a cozy small town newspaper article, so basic in its nature to make you laugh a little about a sale of a sandwich costume that sold for $16,000 🫔

    And something about lettuce 🥬

    obinice , in Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
    @obinice@lemmy.world avatar

    Extremist fascists gonna fascist.

    style99 , in North Carolina lawmakers override veto on bill limiting LGBTQ+ instruction in early grades
    @style99@kbin.social avatar

    Republicans sure care a LOT about children's genitals... for some strange reason.

    CaptainPedantic , in Air Force awards a start-up company $235 million to build an example of a sleek new plane

    Cargo? Sure. Passengers? I’m not betting on it. I sure wouldn’t want to the guy farthest from the center of the aircraft. Every banking turn would become a roller coaster ride. Plus airport infrastructure would have to change. And tubes are easy to build.

    I_M_The_M ,

    I work for a subcontractor that’s been consulting for this project since November and even virtually attended some of the Wednesday briefing mentioned in the article. The body is actually designed specifically to work with existing airport infrastructures… Much much much cheaper not to reinvent the wheel when you don’t have to. The passenger airline is actually their biggest long-term goal: the air force/refuelling use case is how they plan to fund the long-term goals.

    Also, I believe this is roughly the size of a 737 - the passenger deck is no wider than a 747s, and it’s not like window seats on the bigger jets aren’t comfortable.

    reddig33 , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

    Sounds like a good way to have your wages garnished.

    Chozo ,

    Only for government-issued loans, I believe. Private loans won't go into auto-garnishing unless you agree to it.

    _Mantissa ,

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  • Chozo ,

    Collections can't garnish without your permission. Only the government can force garnishments.

    Granted, the lender could sue you for the debt and garnishment could be part of the ruling. But you'll probably know if you've gotten to that point.

    For what it's worth, I never paid off my private loans, and they went to collections, but never garnished me. My federal loans did auto-garnish, though.

    Sir_Kevin ,
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    I believe this varies by state.

    drewdarko ,

    So don’t pay and make them work for it.

    With the labor shortage right now it would be expensive for loan collectors to hire enough workers to track down and force payments if people stop paying on a large scale.

    wheeldawg ,

    Not to mention none of those employees would care much about “getting them robbers” either. They’ll take whatever paycheck they can get and run.

    Confused_Emus , (edited ) in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

    I’m considering not paying as long as they’re doing the “ease you back into it” stuff like not reporting to credit agencies or garnishing wages. Seems essentially like a forbearance without the interest freeze. It really just depends on what my new payments end up being. But until that dog gets its teeth back, Nelnet can have what’s left after I pay my actual bills and buy my weed.

    Stinkywizzleteets ,

    I was with you until you said buying weed comes first. Lol fucking retards all of you.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Some of us need it for medical reasons. Like severe pain.

    Confused_Emus ,

    No, I said paying my actual bills first. AND buying weed. Now go lick on nelnet’s tasty boot “r-tard”.

    MajorJimmy ,

    Don’t worry, they just can’t read.

    TheWoozy ,

    Drugs before keeping promises is my motto too!!

    Confused_Emus ,

    Definitely not a “too” in this situation. I still handle my responsibilities.

    BrainisfineIthink , in New Jersey Supreme Court rules in favor of Catholic school that fired a teacher for having premarital sex

    Hate the Catholic Church (I do) or religion as a whole (I also do), but per the article:

    St. Theresa School argued Crisitello’s pregnancy violated the terms of her employment agreement, which required “employees to adhere to the teachings of the Catholic Church and refrain from premarital sex,” court documents say.

    Agree or disagree, that all fine, but the exact reason for termination is verbatim in her contract which she signed well ahead of being fired. Is it prudish, archaic, and nonsensical? Yes. But did she sign a contract saying she wouldn’t do that and then get fired for doing that thing? Also yes.

    buckykat ,

    The idea that a job contract can dictate your sex life is completely fucking deranged.

    BrainisfineIthink ,

    I agree and I’m not saying it makes sense to rationale people but objectively in this case, the optics hold water. This is a fundamentalist Catholic school with nuns. The teacher was unmarried and was also pregnant. The optics of an unwed pregnant teacher, teaching kids whose parents put them in a Fundy school where pre-marital sex is an explicit no-no does put the staff in a very awkward position.

    buckykat ,

    The awkward position of their evil patriarchial cannibal death cult beliefs being exposed?

    Papists shouldn’t be allowed to run schools. No religion should.

    themeatbridge ,

    Yes.

    And while I agree with the idea that churches shouldn’t run schools, they do and have done for a long time, and as long as people keep sending their kids there, they will continue.

    BrainisfineIthink ,

    As I said, I agree completely. But the teacher was hired into that environment and knowingly signed a puritanesque ethics clause and broke it. That’s why the case was upheld ultimately.

    rambaroo ,

    So what? Just because you put something down in a piece of paper doesn’t mean it should be legal.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Fuck their awkward position

    DemBoSain ,
    @DemBoSain@midwest.social avatar

    Marijuana is legal in my state. All the empty businesses in town are now filled with pot stores.

    My job does random drug testing. If they detect marijuana, that’s instant firing, no recourse (at will employment).

    The idea that a job can dictate anything I do outside of work is deranged.

    thedarkfly ,

    Sometimes, the contents of contracts are illegal even when they are signed. It’s apparently not the case here according to the Court, but the question can be worth to ask.

    AstridWipenaugh ,

    You can’t sign away actual rights, but you can agree to pretty much anything else. It’s been well established that companies can fire you for any off-duty behavior they deem inappropriate, as long as the reason doesn’t conflict with a protected class. This is the same mechanism that allows people to be fired for being a Nazi or participating in the Jan 6th insurrection, even before being charged with a crime.

    SheeEttin ,

    Being pregnant is a protected class under the Pregnancy Discrimination Act, though: eeoc.gov/…/enforcement-guidance-pregnancy-discrim…

    While there can probably fire her for having premarital sex, they legally can’t fire her for being pregnant. If she became pregnant through IVF, for example, then there was no sex involved.

    ArmokGoB ,

    You see, one of these things is a personal choice between two consenting adults and the other is promoting criminal hate, violence, and sedition which negatively affects large groups of people.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Very well. I will now be requiring all my women employees to not get above the age of 30 and all my minority employees to always look white.

    Oh wait, I can’t do that? Is it because we have non-discrimination laws?

    A school does not have religious freedom, a person does. A school doesn’t pray, a school doesn’t worry about angry skydaddy, a school doesn’t think it has a soul. A school is a collective of individuals. Those individuals have religious freedoms, not the collective that they built. If we don’t allow corporations to get around these types of laws we should not be allowing schools to.

    Why are you defending the fake rights of a school and supporting their bigotry?

    BrainisfineIthink ,

    I read the article and summarized it. You should try it, you’d sound like less of an asshole. You disagree, that’s wonderful. Nobody is interested in your rant about it.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    How did you determine that I didn’t read it? Sorry you hate woman who have enjoy sex. Have fun shilling for the worldwide pedo league

    BrainisfineIthink ,

    Because you sound like an idiot that didn’t read the article and is knee jerk reacting and going on a soap box rant. You disagreeing with the outcome of something is not the same as it being illegal. Also fuck yourself, I’m an atheist. Learn to differentiate fact and opinion jackass.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I don’t believe you.

    Phoebe ,

    This is not a legal passage. It is violating your autonomie and is highly discriminating. Why do i have to explain that in 2023…?

    You can sign a contract with problematic passages. Your signing doesn’t make illigal stuff legal. And you don’t agree with illigal stuff just by signing. It is the same with rental agreements or other contracs.

    The lore protects people from abuse of power and arbitrariness.

    BrainisfineIthink ,

    This is not a legal passage.

    The entire article is about how it was upheld in court so…

    Narte , in Air Force awards a start-up company $235 million to build an example of a sleek new plane

    I’m curious how the public funding element of this works. Does the government end up owning/profiting off of the company or earn some form of royalties if this concept takes off?

    GregorGizeh ,

    How it always works: someone keeps it and the public gets nothing, with the military getting a new toy they can spend more public money on.

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    While I see your point, it’s also important to point out that a lot of technological advancement in human history has been spearheaded (ha) by military advancements, which eventually get developed at a far more reasonable cost for civilian use.

    So the takeaway here: yeah, they’re throwing a few hundred million at this, but in terms of developing a brand-new, clean-sheet transport airframe in a style that’s never been done before - and which, if successful, will potentially lead to a diametric shift in civil aerospace design - it’s really not that expensive, and there is real potential benefit here.

    Chocrates ,

    Same with medical research. You could argue that the the public having access to an otherwise unattainable medicine is the benefit even though we are charged out the nose for it, but I feel like medical company profits beg to differ.

    GregorGizeh ,

    While it’s true that often military developments eventually make their way to civilian applications, imagine that money was spent directly on development of in this instance a new type of civilian aircraft.

    The military could still adapt the frame to their needs, and it would most likely result in a cheaper and more useful vehicle outside of helping to kill people on another continent. This would also mean much earlier and more widespread adoption than yet another patented concept locked away because the military wants to keep it for themselves for a few decades (until it’s obsolete).

    And even if that development somehow ended up being less optimized than one the military would make, it would most likely still be leaps and bounds better than the eventual commercial derivatives again sold by private entities, optimized for profit.

    Syrc , in Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online

    Completely normal behavior for peaceful supporters of a law-abiding citizen. Who wouldn’t do some friendly doxxing to support their absolutely innocent leader.

    RadicalCandour , in Air Force awards a start-up company $235 million to build an example of a sleek new plane

    It would be nice to get out under the thumb of behemoths like Northrup and Lockheed. Motherfuckers build $1 proprietary bolts and charges the government $700 for that bolt. It’s fucking gross and it’s even grosser that it’s still going on. We need startups and new innovations to break to spending cycle STAT

    here’s an interesting piece 60 minutes did on the subject cbsnews.com/…/pentagon-budget-price-gouging-milit…

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