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ViewSonik , in Donald Trump expected to attend civil fraud trial opening

Everyone should prepare themselves in the vicinity of court house by dressing up as a Oompa Loompa

JustZ , in Baltimore CEO, 26, was killed by a repeat offender who should have never been on the street, officials allege
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Why shouldn’t he have been out? Did he escape custody or something? Was he locked up and then processed out by mistakes?

Sounds like he pleaded guilty to his prior charges and was sentenced to a lengthy prison term which he served and was then released at the end. Nothing wrong with that.

If anything this is evidence that the way in which we are incarcerating is not working. We had this dude in custody for sounds like about seven years or something? What the fuck were they doing in that prison?

JustAManOnAToilet OP ,

Too lenient of a plea deal with such a violent offender.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Compared to what?

JustAManOnAToilet OP ,

The full 30. This woman would still be alive if he’d been kept behind bars. How he worked it out to serve only 7 should be going into a lawsuit, which unfortunately won’t bring this woman back but might send a message to prosecutors and prevent future tragedies.

loobkoob ,
@loobkoob@kbin.social avatar

This woman, yes, but him serving another 23 years could have just been delaying it happening to another woman in 23 years' time.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but the key point here is that prisons should be about rehabilitating prisoners so that they're fit to return to society. Just locking someone away for 30 years and assuming they'll come out reformed is flawed thinking; the prison system needs to actively work towards making sure prisoners are safe to release into society and equipped to deal with society. And if one of those things isn't true, the prisoner should not be released.

In this instance, it's clear 7 years wasn't long enough either way. But I doubt 30 years would have been enough either with the current attitude of prisons being for punishment rather than rehabilitation.

JustAManOnAToilet OP ,

That might be your key point, mine is the prosecutor didn’t do their job.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Probably quiet as a mouse when they are overcharging kids. All fired up about nothing.

TAG ,
@TAG@lemmy.world avatar

What did the prosecutor do wrong? They proved that he was a violent criminal and a danger to society. The original sentencing would have him in jail until at least 2029 (if he did not fuck up, reoffend in prison, and serve the full 30) and put him on the sex offender registry (which worked as well as expected).

It was a judge that chose to suspend part of the original sentence. It was a prison system that failed to rehabilitate him. It was a parole board that decided that time served was long enough.

A lot of people (and a lot of systems) fucked up to let a violent individual roam the streets, but I feel like the prosecutor did their job to the best extent that could be expected.

ThrowawayPermanente ,

Partially agree, but people often age out of crime. Statistically speaking, a 55 year old man is much less dangerous than a 32 year old.

Astroturfed ,

No, but the American prison system just makes people more violent and insane. So, this person was only going to get worse. Instead of asking why that is our politicians just think we should leave people in prison forever. .

pearsche ,

No, but the American prison system just makes people more violent and insane.

Prisons overall seem to do that… Ditto with correctional facilities.

GiddyGap ,

Prisons overall seem to do that… Ditto with correctional facilities.

Not everywhere. This is what a maximum-security prison in Denmark looks like that is designed to promote rehabilitation over punishment.

pearsche ,

That’s cool! Over here in LATAM correctional facilities and prisons just make people worse.

tsonfeir , in Pinal Sheriff Mark Lamb’s office spent $200K on guns and ammo from an ‘inmate welfare' fund
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Arizona has a long history of shitty sheriffs

SupraMario , in Just five western oil firms, including BP and Shell, set to spend $15 million every hour until 2030 producing oil and gas | Global Witness

Everyone who can WFH should be required to. Less people on the road and less gas used. I don’t get why this isn’t more pushed with the green crowd.

givesomefucks , in California Gov. Newsom will appoint Laphonza Butler to fill Feinstein’s Senate seat

the president of EMILY’s List,

  1. It’s a PAC
  2. To join is “only” $100 to the PAC… but then you need to donate another $500 to the PAC every year.
  3. Their main donors are billionaire CEOs.
  4. They were Sinema’s largest donor.
  5. It’s supposed to be for women, but the most money they ever gave was to Joe Biden.

So not surprising they get a favor in return, hopefully people take two seconds to read up on the PAC

www.factcheck.org/…/emilys-list-women-vote-2/

OldWoodFrame ,

To be fair on 5, of course the most money a PAC gives is to the largest race at the highest level, and Kamala was on the ticket as well, and it was for defeating the guy who single handedly overturned Roe.

givesomefucks ,

To be fair…

The entire point of the PAC is to donate to women who will fight for women to have access to abortion…

But their biggest recipient is a man…

Although he’s better than Sinema, who got most of her money from this PAC and then continues to threaten to fillibuster any codifying of abortion access.

The takeaway here is either the people running the PAC are terrible at their job, or not trying to do what they tell everyone they’re trying to do when asking for donations. And for some reason that qualifies their president for an “interm” Senate seat.

This is nothing but political back patting and payback for giving money to the party’s preferred candidate even tho it made zero logical sense.

BB69 ,

Would you have preferred they not have donated anything at all

givesomefucks ,

Than being Sinema’s largest donor?

Yes, absolutely I would have preferred they didn’t help her win the primary and then general…

For Biden? He got 10% of what was donated to the PAC, seems kind of inefficient.

And again, not what the people who gave money to the PAC thought it would be used for.

You don’t see any problems with any of that?

Cleverdawny ,

For all of Sinemas flaws I don’t recall her being anti choice.

givesomefucks , (edited )

abcnews.go.com/Politics/…/story?id=86069899

Edit:

Oh, and before you try to say that’s not opposing it:

“We believe the decision by Sen. Sinema is not only a blow to voting rights and our electoral system but also to the work of all the partners who supported her victory and her constituents who tried to communicate the importance of this bill,” said Emily’s List president Laphonza Butler.

nbcnews.com/…/emily-s-list-naral-pull-support-sin…

Although I’m sure moderates will line up to tell me with enough doublethink the moderates were right at all times again.

That shit never gets old.

Cleverdawny ,

So I was right and she didn’t vote against abortion. She’s in favor of the filibuster.

And, wait, okay, first you blame them for donating to Sinema, and now you praise Emily’s List for withdrawing support from her? Make up your fucking mind lmfao

givesomefucks ,

If you keep giving your life savings to Nigerian princes, it doesn’t matter if you eventually figure it out then keep falling for it.

It’s not that difficult, but I guess it would make sense some people fall for it.

I’d recommend spending less time online if you’re that gullible tho, lots of people would take advantage of you.

Cleverdawny ,

The unmitigated arrogance. Fucking insufferable. Grow the hell up.

givesomefucks ,

Ever wonder if when people always fail to explain things to you, it’s not that everyone you disagree with is bad at explaining things?

Maybe it’s just you start insulting them, so they stop trying to help you understand?

I’ve tried to explain things to you before, and you did the same thing…

Why would I ever try again?

Cleverdawny ,

You’ve been insufferable, arrogant, and insulting before, and this trend continues. You just can’t stop being a prick.

bitsplease ,

Ever wonder if when people always fail to agree with you, it’s not that everyone you disagree with is bad at underdtanding things?

Maybe it’s just you start insulting them, so they stop trying to listen to you’re asinine takes?

He’s tried to explain things to you before, and you did the same thing you’re now accusing him of doing…

Why would anyone want to converse with you?

Zaktor ,

That was in her run before she became the DINO queen. They’ve since pulled support because she sucks. Before she was elected she appeared to be ok. Not great, but not obviously shit.

halfwaythere , in 13 truck drivers parked side by side in the middle of the night to save a life

Fuck upworthy and fuck the bullshit copy pasta that I’ve been seeing lately on Lemmy.

ThisIsMyLemmyLogin , in ‘Get Help’ – Elon Musk Blasted for Mocking Ukraine With Fake Zelensky Picture
@ThisIsMyLemmyLogin@lemmy.world avatar

Elon loves drama and attention. Responding to his idiotic tweets with outrage is exactly the kind of drama he craves.

Goo_bubbs ,

He really is a 13 year old internet troll trapped inside a 52 year old man’s body.

Zink ,

Honestly if I look at his actions through the lens of what I remember it was like to be a 13 year old edge lord, it kind of makes sense. It fits so well.

nonailsleft ,

He’s making up for time lost. It actually makes some sense to become a multibillionaire first

Goo_bubbs ,

The time he lost in the womb? He was born into wealth, and his whole life has been on easy mode.

ThePantser , in Pinal Sheriff Mark Lamb’s office spent $200K on guns and ammo from an ‘inmate welfare' fund
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

Is it Pie-nal, pee-nal, or pin-al?

Spaghetti_Hitchens ,

Pin-al

zzzzz ,

PIN-al or pin-AL?

Cort , (edited )

pi-NAL or p’NAL

technicalogical ,

This is the way…

bluejay ,
@bluejay@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Pin-al

vanontom ,
@vanontom@lemmy.world avatar

Pe-nile, and residents are called Pe-nis. /s

kandoh , in Vigilante Pedophile Hunter Killed While Confronting Teens

There is something so weird about this. I don’t think these guys are trying to protect children, I think they are getting off on the roleplaying and using the ‘hunting predators’ thing as an excuse to justify it.

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  • NOT_RICK ,
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    Nah, if you want to help people who are SA victims volunteer at an NGO or become a detective. People like this actively harm investigations and I get the impression that most are just clout chasers.

    SCB ,

    Would it not be the best case scenario to have the people who have an impulse to hunt people, be hunting people who are pedophiles?

    The problem with supporting vigilantism is that vigilantes are wrong a lot and there is no recourse or protection against that.

    Cops themselves acknowledge this

    "His one-man crusade has led to the arrest and criminal charges being filed against several men,” it said. “He has also mistakenly identified someone as a sexual predator who was not.”

    “It’s ok if it’s people I don’t like” is not the mindset of an emotionally mature human.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    Yeah seriously, actual cops and detectives with actual training, as minimal as it is, get it wrong plenty, imagine how often some jagoff with no training is going to end up attacking an innocent?

    Anyone else remember, “we did it Reddit!”

    Martytix ,

    I’ve never seen a comment that has this much 2013 reddit energy. It’s like looking through a portal.

    Fascinating.

    Cryophilia ,

    Honestly I’ve seen way more braindead teenager logic takes on lemmy than I ever did on reddit.

    kandoh ,

    I’m saying I suspect this is a pedophile going online to fantasize with others about children having sex with adults, who then protects himself afterwards by exposing the person he was talking to while portraying himself as a hero.

    It’s like someone with a porn addiction publicly being anti-porn and supporting laws that ban porn as a way of coping.

    I would honestly check this guys computers for CSAM.

    It’s also important to remember that the majority of child sexual abuse happens between relatives or close family friends with access to children, not random people on the internet. The best way to catch pedophiles remains early grade sexual education in schools, not amateur vigilante undercover sting operation for twitch views.

    Cryophilia ,

    I think this guy was in the wrong, but it’s a leap to call him a pedo

    Can we just stop accusing everyone of being a pedo please

    instamat ,

    We can safely remove you from the list of Is This Person Secretly Elon?

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    No it would not be better. I want someone cool and unemotional dealing with high stake situations with complex legal systems. Without that you get into situations like exactly this describes.

    Cryophilia ,

    “successfully caught” 132 predators…only 4 arrests. Even if every single one of those 132 people were actual pedophiles (I have my doubts), this is clearly a terribly ineffective path.

    A lot of the “to catch a predator” guys got off specifically because of how the show handled their being caught. There’s a reason police investigators do things the way they do.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Your comment just made me think of something. Think of how ineffective our criminal justice system is. Got it? As bad as it is, it is still greatly exceeds this guy.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    People like to accuse the cancellation of that show being because they accused a judge with influence, but IIRC it’s because someone who wasn’t actually a pedo ended up killing themself because of how destroyed their life was by the show.

    Reddit_Is_Trash ,

    I see your point, and agree with it. I’m sure a lot of it do it for the fame and it’s not really about protecting the kids to them.

    But, even if they’re doing it for their own self-interest, they’re still doing a good thing. You don’t have to have good intentions to still promote positive change. I couldn’t care less for the guilty people they find, good riddance, they don’t belong in society.

    That being said, if they falsely accuse people to try and keep growing their influence, then it becomes a problem

    Malfeasant ,

    even if they’re doing it for their own self-interest, they’re still doing a good thing

    Are they? Teenagers attracted to teenagers is wrong now?

    Reddit_Is_Trash ,

    Depending on the age difference, yes.

    Astroturfed ,

    And teens he confronted killed him? He typically posed as a 15 year old girl to catch people it says. I guess these teens are in the wrong if they’re 18-19? Story just seems a little strange.

    Confronting people by yourself is not something a level headed individual does. This guy was clearly getting off on some type of vigilante hero complex.

    Cryophilia ,

    Low hanging fruit. There’s not that many actual pedophiles out there, and the ones that exist are usually pretty cautious (otherwise they’d have been caught already).

    But technically an 18 year old wanting to have sex with a 16 year old…

    I don’t know anything about this guy, but the fact that he was accusing teenagers of being pedophiles suggests he was just trying to get fame and attention by capitalizing on the current “pedophiles everywhere” moral panic.

    Nollij ,

    But technically an 18 year old wanting to have sex with a 16 year old…

    Is highly dependent on local laws. Some outlaw it, some are perfectly fine with it, and some fall into a gray area between. For instance, it may be a minor offense (no pun intended, I swear) instead of a major offense if there were a greater age gap. These are sometimes known as “Romeo and Juliet” laws

    Cryophilia ,

    I think you might be lost, friendo

    We were talking about pedophiles, not pedantry

    Sjy ,

    Romeo and Juliet laws are not a defense or protection from prosecution. They generally only apply after a conviction and generally they just prevent one person from being labeled as a sex offender if specific conditions are met. The application and conditions vary depending on location.

    Cethin ,

    These kids weren’t wrong no matter what though. They were attracted to an adult man in women’s clothing. Unless he was somehow broadcasting the fake age, they weren’t attracted to a 15 year old girl. They were attracted to an adult man who thought he looked like a 15 year old girl.

    TitanLaGrange ,

    I’m not familiar with this guy’s technique. How did he go about baiting potential targets?

    The usual methods of the past used text and staged images, so the targets didn’t see the real person until a meetup. I’d suppose though that with the advancements in live video filters over the past several years there’s no reason this guy couldn’t just dress in drag and apply appropriate filters so he appears as required.

    Cethin ,

    Yeah, I was thinking this was all in person, hence why he may accidentally end up targeting teenagers. It probably was online and they didn’t see the person until the meeting. This man has to be super dumb to go after other teenagers, let alone putting himself in this position without other support structures and things to protect him.

    Grimy ,

    It’s literally for money. He makes a living from the amount of views it gets.

    StorminNorman ,

    *he made a living

    instamat ,

    *because he ain’t living

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    See also the ammosexuals who fantasize on the daily about the day they get to “defend themselves” against a “home intruder”

    The hero complex is IMO just the masking of sociopathic violent fantasies in self righteousness. “No no no, I’m not obsessed with being able to kill justifiably, I just REALLY hate pedos!”

    ThePantser , in Tom Hanks says AI version of him used in dental plan ad without his consent
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    sik0fewl ,

    That's just a fish combined with a light bulb.

    magnetosphere ,
    @magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

    There’s your answer, fishbulb.

    givesomefucks , in Pinal Sheriff Mark Lamb’s office spent $200K on guns and ammo from an ‘inmate welfare' fund

    Sherrifs have been doing shit like this for as long as we’ve had sherrifs…

    It’s almost like we need a national agency to hold police accountable or, I dunno, try fucking anything?

    aaaaa ,

    The police unions would start foaming at the mouth.

    NovaPrime ,
    @NovaPrime@lemmy.ml avatar

    Let’s hope it’s cyanide foam

    CmdrShepard ,

    It’s a bit of rabies foam mixed in with zombie foam.

    flossdaily , in Nobel Prize Awarded to Covid Vaccine Pioneers

    So these guys saved millions of lives, but thanks to Republican political games, they will probably be getting death threats from the MAGA crowd.

    flossdaily , in Tom Hanks says AI version of him used in dental plan ad without his consent

    Between voice cloning, gpt-4, and social media, the technology exists TODAY for scammers to call you at 4am with the voice and intimate knowledge of a loved-one, and tell you that they need you to send them money for an emergency.

    You thought old people were easy to scam before? We’re about to enter a golden age of manipulation.

    helio ,

    My grandmother is a Greek immigrant and doesn’t speak English very well. Back in 2017 someone called her and told her myself and my mother were dead and she spent like 3 days freaking out and crying. I can only imagine what would happen if someone were to do that today while emulating a voice she knew…

    LedgeDrop ,

    … Or you just have a word/phrase known between yourself and the other person.

    collegefurtrader ,

    Great, now we need a safe word just to talk on the phone

    Risk ,

    Mine is pineapples. What’s yours?

    collegefurtrader ,

    Nice try

    Fedizen ,

    12345 same as my luggage code

    Risk ,

    Weird, I thought it was hunter2.

    doktorseven ,

    Chariots chariots

    flossdaily ,

    Yes. I highly recommend your set one up today.

    DrM ,

    Yes, the technology exists. No, it’s not a threat for your grandma. Scammers would first need need to know which phone number is your grandmas, them they need to find out the relatives of your grandma, obtain enough sample data from your voice and train an AI model for at least a few hours to imitate your voice. That’s not a realistic scenario to do for a slim chance of getting a few thousand bucks. This kind of social engineering attack is only viable for very rich persons and businesses.

    flossdaily , (edited )

    I’m sorry, but your assessment of how difficult that would be is WAAAAAY off.

    Scammers are already doing stuff like this en masse with highly customized email scams.

    The way this scam would work is to start with YouTubers, where grabbing the voice data is easy. Then you find their Facebook profile… Very easy, since people use the same usernames, or they go out of their way to link their profiles.

    It’s a pretty easy step to make friend requests with those people. And then a very easy leap to find their relatives real names and towns through their Facebook connections.

    Now you take their connections and towns and do reverse phone number lookups.

    ALL of this can be automated. Every step.

    The voice cloning and gpt-powered phone calls can be automated now, too.

    The only reason this isn’t happening at scale is that scammers haven’t had enough time to adapt yet.

    guacupado ,

    It’s weird you talk about how easy it is but your only example is with very public people where all you need is a Google search to get their info.

    deeroh ,

    I’d guess that most people with public social media accounts would be susceptible to something like this. As long as there are videos available with the person speaking, which are plentiful by way of instagram reels / tiktoks, the rest of what the commenter described above sounds totally feasible.

    flossdaily ,

    You don’t need another example if you understand how many people are covered in that category.

    Do you have any idea how many people have at least 5 minutes of audio on YouTube? (That’s all you need for voice cloning), tens of millions? Hundreds of millions?.. And how many of them have a Facebook, insta, tic Tok, or Twitter account? Virtually all of them.

    If you wrote a script to do what I outlined, it would run FOREVER, because he users would be signing up and making videos faster than this script could ever hope to keep up.

    Rai ,

    People are reaaally downvoting you, but how would someone call my G-Ma and imitate my voice using AI?! My voice isn’t on the internet. That’s an insane thing to fear for any regular person.

    Seraphin ,
    @Seraphin@pawb.social avatar

    Do you have a recorded voicemail greeting? There are techniques now to train an AI voice on as little as 3 seconds of audio.

    Source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6HSsVIkqIU

    Rai ,

    Naaah I use the default, but that’s interesting!

    Rai ,

    I’m watching the whole thing now

    Holy dick

    Kalkaline ,
    @Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

    Probably a good idea to come up with a code word or something for verifying it’s you.

    clegko ,
    @clegko@lemmy.world avatar

    Or just text the other person on the d/l to see whats up.

    KazuyaDarklight ,
    @KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world avatar

    And/or for signs of being under duress.

    drdalek ,

    I read something recently that said a study was performed and Teens are most susceptible to getting scammed online.

    clegko ,
    @clegko@lemmy.world avatar

    Its because their brains are still developing. As they get older, they’ll gain more common sense (hopefully)

    Laticauda ,

    I’m guessing that’s because of sheer numbers, there are going to be more teens online than any other demographic.

    Fedizen ,

    winning by not answering my phone ever

    Ataraxia ,

    They would fail. I have many ways to corroborate and they know I don’t answer the phone and to call 911. Nobody is calling me in a emergency ever. I don’t drive, I don’t give money to anyone etc… People need to have the policy of if you can make a call and it’s an emergency then call 911. Also always have roadside assistance.

    camr_on ,
    @camr_on@lemmy.world avatar

    Didn’t this happen recently? I thought I saw an article about a guy in India who got an ai-faked video call from a friend who needed a quick money transfer to get out of a tough spot. He said it was sketchy but believable. It’s already here

    bobman ,

    And the answer is to get off the internet and start trusting those close to you more than digital strangers.

    givesomefucks , in Biden worries ‘extreme’ supreme court can’t be relied on to uphold rule of law

    The reasons he was Obama’s VP:

    1. He was “the Republican Senator whisper”
    2. He was supposed to be there to guide Obama

    He was supposed to be the one that got that SC pick thru, but I don’t remember seeing a single article or interview where he tried.

    That 5 years later people forgot and started claiming Joe was “the Senate whisper” again was just fucking ridiculous. The only thing worse was when Biden implied once the Dems had a white man as president, suddenly Republicans would be super cool again.

    BolexForSoup , (edited )
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    asdfasfasf

    thatKamGuy ,

    With hindsight, given the dirty tricks the GOP played in order to secure Trump two Supreme Court appointments; the Dem’s should have just gone full radical and take the Senates refusal to put the nomination up for a vote as a tacit ‘approval’ (seeing as they didn’t technically vote him down), and sit Garland on the court.

    It’s the political equivalent of not negotiating with Terrorists, akin to the Paradox of Tolerance.

    BolexForSoup , (edited )
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    asdfasfasdf

    AngryCommieKender ,

    They don’t give a fuck about the rules. Why should the Dems? They don’t want to play by the rules, then we shouldn’t hamstring ourselves with following the rules. If they want to knock over all the pieces and shit all over the board, that means we can do whatever we want, whenever we want because they threw the rule of law out the window, after wiping their ass with it.

    BolexForSoup , (edited )
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  • AngryCommieKender ,

    Change the playing field during the few weeks he had a supermajority in the house and Congress.

    Campaign finance reform, voting rights guarantees, fucking anything rather than pissing away an opportunity to actually enact some meaningful changes.

    givesomefucks ,

    It’s like playing checkers with a kid who openly cheats…

    If you keep following the rules, the kid will always win. If you can’t make them stop cheating, your only options are to stop playing or cheat back.

    This isn’t a game of checkers tho. We can’t just stop, and if we keep following the rules then we’ll never win.

    So literally the only thing we can do is play like they do.

    givesomefucks ,

    Tell me what he could’ve done

    At the absolute bare minimum Biden should have understood that the issue with Republicans wasn’t just a Black president…

    And that “working with Republicans” wouldn’t work.

    Yet that’s what Biden ran on in the primary, and surprise! Working with Republicans is just as impossible today.

    It’s not that complicated, and I highly doubt no one has ever explained that if you ask a lot…

    Are you just ignoring people when they try to explain that to you?

    bostonbananarama ,

    In all fairness, saying “working with Republicans won’t work” isn’t specifying what the Dems could have done to have their nominee seated, which is what the commenter asked for.

    givesomefucks ,

    Oh, thought we were talking about Biden…

    Back when Obama was in office he should have said:

    If republicans won’t hold a vote, I’ll appoint who I want

    And then just fucking did it. Republicans don’t just do what they’re allowed, they do everything they can.

    That’s why their winning. They don’t spend half a term discussing if they can do something, they do it and hope it sticks.

    You can say that’s not how a government should work, and I’d agree. But when 2 people are playing a game without a ref, you better cheat just as hard or you’ll never win. Because regardless of if we always play explicitly by the rules or not, they’re gonna keep cheating.

    We can piss and moan all day about how it shouldn’t be like this, but the reality is that it is like this.

    BolexForSoup , (edited )
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    asdfasfa

    uberkalden ,

    Lol, I know it’s fake internet points, but how does this guy have a positive score for the “direct violation of the constitution” strategy.

    BolexForSoup , (edited )
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    sadfasdfasdf

    spacecowboy ,

    Because your country is rife with people who don’t understand how their own country works.

    YeetPics ,

    This board is full of you saying the same thing trying to get people upset. You’re not a very good troll.

    spacecowboy ,

    Im not wrong.

    YeetPics ,

    No you’re not wrong, you’re also not a very good troll.

    baronvonj ,
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    Oh, thought we were talking about Biden…

    We are. You asserted that as Obama’s VP “[Biden] was supposed to be the one that got that SC pick thru.” And you’ve been challenged to state how you think Biden could have done that.

    Your suggestion what you think Obama should have done belies a misunderstanding of the process. Obama did appoint Merrick Garland. The Constitution says the appointee has to be confirmed by the Senate before they can be seated. The Court isn’t going to end-run around that and seat an unconfirmed judge.

    The lesson to have learned is not to cheat harder than them, it’s that we need to update the rule book to prevent this type of obstruction in the future.

    ryathal ,

    There actually is a loophole that allows for appointments without approval. If the senate is in recess the appointment just happens. The Obama administration tried and failed to argue several lower positions were recess appointments when there were pro forma sessions though. It’s really not possible that a justice was going to be seated without approval.

    baronvonj ,
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    Very true about recess appointments.

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    For sure, but it is an option that exists.

    bostonbananarama ,

    Actually during recesses Republicans would leave someone behind to keep the Senate in session. They’d open and then adjourn, essentially blocking recess appointments.

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    nogooduser ,

    Are you just ignoring people when they try to explain that to you?

    Well, you ignored the actual question. The question was what could Biden have done to get the Dem nomination to the Supreme Court through in the face of McConnell obstructing it.

    givesomefucks ,

    Well, if he was there for his ability to negotiate with Republicans, he could have negotiated with Republicans…

    If he was there to use his lifetime in the Senate to advise Obama, he could have explained that the Senate is just allowed to vote on SC picks. Not voting is a choice, so Obama should have called their bluff and appointed his pick.

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    June ,

    Yes, I’m quite sure that Obama, the Constitutional scholar, wasn’t aware that a simple trick like saying ‘I’ll accept your silence as consent’ would actually work and get his SC pick through. I’m absolutely confident that whoever the hell you are is right and Obama, Biden, and their entire administration overlooked this one neat trick that republicans hate. Damn you’re smart.

    givesomefucks ,

    Republicans were cheating, so we just gave up?

    How did that work out? Did republicans suddenly discover morals and stop cheating?

    Is everything better now that we took “the high road”?

    It’s insane to see so many people act like they’re fine with the last decade of politics and think Dems are doing a great job

    June ,

    A) republicans cheat within constitutional loopholes. what you bigger isn’t a loophole, it’s wholesale disregard for the constitution.

    B) they’re bad so we should be bad too is a shit line of reasoning.

    C) I’m not fine with the last 30 years of politics (if you think it’s only a decade that we’ve been seeing the rise of this breed of fascist right wing, you’re less informed than even I guessed from your previous comments), and the dems are doing a pretty poor job, particularly in regards to being aggressive with pushing their agenda through.

    Grow up.

    givesomefucks ,

    Grow up.

    Maybe the people who need to hear that are the ones that thought 2020 Biden was going to be able to negotiate in good faith with Republicans?

    June ,

    Excellent and substantive reply. You’ve won me over. Well, you would have if I were 14, but unfortunately I’m not and you’re just showing your hand to how unaware you are of the political landscape and how shallow your understanding of the constitution is. People like you voting scare me. Not as much as people like my mother, but you’re certainly on the list.

    givesomefucks ,

    What is it with “moderates” getting offended when someone questions their political strategy and then just piling on personal insults while claiming to have the high road?

    It’s been super common the last couple weeks

    June ,

    Never said I was a moderate.

    And regardless, I call out infantile rhetoric posing as dialogue when I see it.

    givesomefucks ,

    Yeah, figured it would just be more insults…

    It’s crazy you all don’t realize you’re basically trumpets

    June ,

    Calling reality for what it is isn’t an insult

    givesomefucks ,

    Well, I’ll just leave you to the juvenile insults then. Tho most people got to 4chan or Facebook for that depending on their age group.

    bostonbananarama ,

    Who are these people, I don’t know any of them. You can’t negotiate with a person who’s acting in bad faith. They don’t care if the government functions, they don’t want it to anyway. But the option of throwing out the rule of law and doing whatever you want isn’t appealing either.

    givesomefucks ,

    You can’t negotiate with a person who’s acting in bad faith.

    cnbc.com/…/midterm-elections-biden-says-he-will-w…

    Somebody should tell the president…

    Seriously, someone should tell him

    SheeEttin ,

    I recall an exchange, I think it was between Obama and some Republican senator, but for the life of me I haven’t been able to find it since I read it. It went something like “I’m not going to vote on this bill without something in exchange.” “Okay, I can make sure we get some funding for some project. So, this means I can count on your vote?” “Oh, no, I would never vote for that.”

    There is no negotiating. You try to meet them half way, and they’ll take a step back. Every time.

    givesomefucks ,

    So…

    Why did Biden, the party, and the media all act like Biden was the only one who could negotiate with Republicans in 2020?

    Were all those people just too stupid to know better? Or were they all lying to voters?

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    givesomefucks ,

    Too bad you can’t scroll down and see I’ve addressed that multiple times…

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    givesomefucks ,

    I just realized I already replied to you multiple times… No matter what you just say “that’s not what I meant” and never clarify what you meant.

    I think the reason “no one has explained it to you” is the same reason my dog doesn’t know anything about nuclear physics. The smartest experts in the world can spend his whole life explaining it.

    But my dog is never going to get it. Thinking that means there’s no explanation for nuclear physics…

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    goldenlocks ,

    Obama could have easily used row v wade and plenty of others to go to the opposing senators constituencies and gotten their support to flip the senators votes. Even in red states a majority support abortion.

    He could have rallied his movement that got him elected that he threw in the trash mere seconds after being elected. He could have told them to march to make this happen. He sat back and did nothing because he is rich and wanted the supreme court to defend his private property over everything else.

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    goldenlocks ,

    You clearly do not understand politics. You asked for a tactic, I gave you a proven one. Get over yourself little one.

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    Lol. AKA you have no legitimate argument so you removed it for the edit in cowardice. I’m enjoying Lemmy you guys are easy to debate.

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  • goldenlocks ,

    Obama made no effort to mobilize his massive base that got him elected to put pressure on those senators.

    uberkalden ,

    Dude. Your answers are like complaining about our lack of faster than light travel. It’s actually impossible and yelling about it not happening is not an actual solution.

    spacecowboy ,

    Do you honestly think what you’re saying in this thread is intelligent? Admit you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about and log off for the day, bud.

    goldenlocks ,

    Love your projection. Only the unintelligent would defend Obama after the drone campaigns in the middle east and affordable care act written by Newt Gingrich

    spacecowboy ,

    What the fuck are you babbling about now? I have not mentioned any politicians in this thread. You need to chill out and go for a walk.

    goldenlocks ,

    Very hypocritical considering your previous comment.

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    goldenlocks ,

    I do understand simple politics unlike yourself. Obama made no effort to mobilize his massive base that got him elected to put pressure on those senators. It’s not your fault, you just are unaware of the power a president has. That’s okay. You’ve got a lot to learn. You won’t learn anything acting like a child on the internet though.

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  • goldenlocks ,

    Obama made no effort to mobilize his massive base that got him elected to put pressure on those senators.

    Your response - This is a waste of time because I have no counter argument.

    HeartyBeast , in Tom Hanks says AI version of him used in dental plan ad without his consent
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    Waiting for the inevitable person to come along in a minute saying "IT's nOT StEaLING - thAT MeaNs To TAKe SomeTHIng. hE STill hAS HIS LIKENESS!"

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