The move means Israel must take reciprocal actions toward American citizens, including Palestinian Americans who often face difficulties in traveling to Palestinian territories to see family members and friends.”
Something tells me Biden sees this as a double-win.
And does the world owe the Israelis, exactly? Regarding history, there are many episodes in recent history that I will never forget, such as this one: theguardian.com/…/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
Going to guess it is significantly easier to be competent enough to kill someone with hypoxia rather than a cocktail of multiple constantly changing drugs administered by someone who had little training.
This sounds like a bunch of kids that thought it would be cool to yell things they shouldn’t and a coach that let them do it, more so than a team that’s actually super racist.
If it happened once, you’d be right. Sometimes kids have the wrong idea of what is appropriate, and when they err it’s important to set them straight immediately.
But doing that for most of the half? Yeah, that coach knew it. And we shouldn’t let the fact that they’re kids let any of them “it’s just a joke, bro” out of it.
It seems like setting the kids straight is what’s happening. The Beachwood administration is happy with the response so far from the Brooklyn school. The adult that should have stopped or prevented it is gone, hopefully assistants are too.
It’s not about pretending to be racist. It’s about understanding that high school kids don’t understand racism beyond a surface level. Yelling bad thing gets them angry, is probably as far as most the team understood it. Writing off the team as just racist ass holes is just going to push them that way.
They’re teenagers, not toddlers, they knew the significance of what they were doing, otherwise they wouldn’t have done it. And how does calling them out push them to become racist?
And how does calling them out push them to become racist?
“Doing [X] is actually only going to have the opposite effect” is the tired refrain of idiots pushing agendas. In this case, the agenda appears to be downplaying racism and antisemitism… And that person is bending over backwards to do so.
Your description sounds to me like a team that’s actually super racist, but I disagree with you.
They used “Nazi” as a playcall against a team consisting primarily of Jewish kids. That means that, even if it was a student’s idea, the coaches knew about it beforehand, approved the idea, and shared the call with all of the players. And that’s the most generous possible assumption. Every player on the field in the play needs to know what the playcall means. It’s not just something people shout out in the middle of a game. More likely it came from the coaches, but you’re right that we don’t know that for sure.
The “don’t be so sensitive, it’s only a joke” thing is how a lot of people start off as racists. When you minimize those things the step to full blown KKK is an easier one.
I find it hard to believe every player was ok with it. How many kids do you think were told “No, no, no, we are calling Not Z. Using Nazi would be wrong.”
I still think they should end the season for the whole team as a way to say this crap is inconceivable.
How do we know they didn't try anything to stop it? They might have raised objections to the coach and got shot down. If you aren't the coach or a majority voice, you have no power to actually change the call being used.
I hear what you’re saying, and were it a college or professional team I probably would agree, but for high schoolers that’s harder. At that age, their very identity and self-worth are dependent on peer acceptance. Not to mention any shy kids who might have felt powerless to speak up. We also don’t know that they didn’t try; one or some may have tried and been shut down by peer pressure. My guess is one idiot thought it’d be funny, convinced a few more, and pressured the rest. “It’s just a prank bro” or somesuch.
That the coach didn’t put an immediate stop to it is definitely an issue.
I find it hard to believe every player was ok with it. How many kids do you think were told “No, no, no, we are calling Not Z. Using Nazi would be wrong.”
I'm not sure, but I'd have to think that if the kids were told that and believed it, theyre either super incurious or not very bright. I would think that even the slowest among us that isn't a shit head would be able to see that 'not z' and 'nazi' are too close to use without being misunderstood and assumed to be a shit head by using that.
I think you may be right if the kids were younger.
My father was in the RAF in WWII. He was literally bombed by the Germans.
We moved to the States when I was six and I started school here in 1969. In second or third grade some friends and I learned how to draw swastikas. We sorta maybe knew they were the emblem of the German military, but beyond that we were ignorant. I got out my crayons and drew them in many colors all over my school notebook.
I took that notebook home to show my parents this cool thing I had learned. Neither of them said a thing, but my mother bought me a brand new notebook.
I look back on that with so much shame. Even without knowing the depth of meaning to that symbol, I had not put together that this was the symbol of a military that had done its best to kill my father, his family, and had succeeded in killing thousands and thousands of his countrymen.
Now, knowing full-well what that symbol means, the shame is deeper.
All that said, I was eight or nine so my ignorance might be excusable. I’m unsure that it is for high schoolers.
I think the biggest thing isn't even your age. It's that when you realized it was wrong and why, you changed. These kids obviously knew better because the school had received this type of bullying before and the kids keep using hate speech after being told not to.
You might be shocked to find out that when this kind of thing is brought to attention the people involved have been doing the same hateful stuff for years prior. They are never caught the first time.
It’s a high school football team, years ago at least half the kids weren’t on it. Or is it acceptable now to deem the entire area the school is from as all racists?
A football team can have terrible behavior for years while there is turnover in the same way that any group can. The new players are influenced by the older students as they come in in addition to the coaches, frequently filtering out the ones who don't want to conform to a culture of racism.
Although I didn't say it, the community where the school is located being racist would be consistent with their high school football team exhibiting racism on the field. It isn't like high school kids and coaches and those that attend the game aren't part of the community.
That of course isn't to say every single person in the community is racist, but those that are participating or watching high school football and are letting this behavior happen are racists or at the minimum complicit.
I wonder if you'd have the same opinion if the opposing team was black and the team in question were shouting plays using KKK or confederate shit.
They clearly are a racist team, considering the article explicitly states that players kept being racist little shits after they stopped using the Nazi call:
However, several Brooklyn players continued to direct racial slurs at Beachwood players during the game, the statement read.
Clearly those players just wanted to have fun saying inappropriate things and are just trying to be inflammatory /s
A good way to get them to understand that that shit is not funny is to punish them for it. Maybe make all of them do reports in the Holocaust and/or visit a synagogue.
Also, it’s generally the coaching staff that makes the play calls.
Anyone know why they can’t be charged with trespassing and removed? Article says the school and land are privately owned now, but surely unless the actual owner is physically there or has given permission it’s a very clear case of trespassing? Especially when they’re asking for plumbers and other tradespeople to come and trying to set something up long-term.
That being said, if I was in a trolley dilemma with one Nazi versus five racists I would still take out the five racists with the trolly over the one Nazi.
Of course, then I would walk over to the one Nazi and beat them to death while they're tied to the track for good measure.
You mean like promoting conspiracy theories to excuse violence against minorities, forming a coalition out of the most violent racists you can find, and using that coalition of domestic terrorists to assault Congress while it’s in session?
Because that’s literally the chain of events that got Hitler in prison writing Mein Kampf in the first place.
I don’t really understand. Did I miss something? What I see in the post here is someone who only wants to meet white people. That is racist, but nothing compared to what a Nazi does.
That one can become the other is a different issue. So far, all I see is a flyer. That is about as harmless as racism can be. Calling that Nazi removes any meaning of that word, which should be reserved for people that are extremely violent etc.
Last time a new method of execution was made, lethal injection, it was developed by a veterinarian who vaguely described how it might work and then it was administered by non-physicians because no doctor would ever touch this. I wonder who developed this new method.
Actually it’s pretty well understood.
The human body reacts to CO2 buildup with a ‘gasping for air’ sensation. Nitrogen however, not at all. The air we breathe is 80% nitrogen 20% oxygen, so we aren’t sensitive to nitrogen at all. Breathing air with little oxygen is something well understood as it can happen to pilots of unpressurized aircraft. Here’s a funny example of what happens when pressurization fails. Once ATC figures out he has hypoxia, they order him to descend to 11,000’ (which is usually the point hypoxia starts to kick in) and he’s fine. But while he’s hypoxic, he happily admits he has no control over his airplane and is totally unbothered by that fact.
There’s a thing called a hypoxia chamber- the oxygen % of the air is reduced (not eliminated) to simulate what it’s like being at high altitude without pressurization. Always funny videos there, grown men with oxygen-starved brains playing with a children’s puzzle trying to put the square block in the round hole.
Execution by 100% nitrogen is the most humane death I can think of. The gas is odorless, and as it takes effect the prisoner would experience a euphoric feeling before just falling asleep and dying a few minutes later.
That said, I’m sure they’ll fuck this up somehow- most civilized people have concluded that execution is barbaric and unnecessary, so whoever builds the nitrogen gadget is probably not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed.
And that’s what a botched execution would look like- if you shut off the nitrogen too soon or don’t ensure a high enough nitrogen concentration, the prisoner will be left with brain damage but not dead.
Pedophiles usually don’t want to be pedophiles and won’t act on their desires; they’re just quietly suffering from mental illness and just their existence shouldn’t change someone’s stance on the death penalty.
I agree that there are some crimes so horrible that the offenders no longer deserve to live. The trouble is that I don’t trust police and the courts to correctly identify the guilty all of the time. Until there’s a system that can prove guilt with 100% accuracy we shouldn’t have a death penalty.
Yeah. Look at I think it was either south korea or taiwan but one of them went and grabbed a dude for murder and then killed him, came out a few months later he was nowhere fucking near the crime and was completely innocent. They grabbed another dude and did the same. Wrong. Again. They never even found the actual killer.
To make the same point in a less sarcastic way, it is a problem that just throwing the term pedophile at someone immediately ostracizes them and society is willing to condem them to effective death.
It’s so bad that a jury doesn’t even really need evidence to indict. Because apparently seeing one, potentially censored image is enough to cause PTSD?
I’ve seen people being decapitated without getting PTSD. I’ve seen horrible things from the Holocaust. I don’t think one image is going to cause permanent damage. (I fully believe dealing with this stuff every day for years can be an issue. That’s different.)
A while back round where I live a guy was burned to death by a mob of his neighbours because people were saying he was a pedophile. Turned out he had only been taking photos of kids vandalising his garden. Oops.
They should’ve given the people who did it a life order with all chances of parole chewed up, spat out, burnt up and the ashes shot into oblivion before being buried 900 feet underground.
Holy fucking shit. It never once occurred to me that lynching was a thing in the modern UK. Mass stabbings? Sure. Getting mugged and beaten by gangs of teens, okay. But straight up lynching? Fuck.
I agree with you when it comes to the ostracizing problem. I would just like to remind you that not everyone is psychologically identical to you. Some (perhaps many) people CAN get PTSD by looking at a picture of a terrible crime.
I have seen some horrible shit too. Like that girl and her male cousin rapping in a bathroom with a gun, and she winds up accidentally killing her cousin and then killing herself after she realized what she did. Yeah, never going to forget that. Don’t have PTSD from it, but definitely was traumatic.
The capitalist owners could make more profit off it, and that’s literally all human civilization values. And bonus, the people the Capitalists and their doting peasant sycophants consider “lazy, socialist commies” would largely opt out, leaving them to count their shillings in peace, unopposed.
Is it about needing a homeless population that can’t (easily) opt out to scare the other peasants into continuing to show up for their purposeless jobs? Or just the last thin fig leaf of the capitalists deluding themselves into believing themselves less than monstrous?
Because being trapped in this labor camp of a civilization isn’t mercy. It’s the opposite of mercy. Not legalizing escape isn’t the same thing as valuing life, and we clearly don’t. It’s the same thing as an anti-abortionist claiming to value human life while opposing social programs to help the newborn and mother.
Wait, was the book title actually localized to Celsius when it was exported? In America the original book is titled Fahrenheit 451, which honestly rolls off the tongue fairly well.
I think they said it the way they did to make it clear they were talking about the library books burning, rather than referring to the book with that title
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