How about instead of making sure they wear the correct clothing, you make sure they do their god damn fucking job of making life better for the citizens. Because that hasn’t been happening for decades now and what they wear while fucking over Americans hardly matters.
The crappy thing is it’s our job as citizens to make sure they do their job but too many Americans just don’t seem to care. Getting half of eligible voters to vote in a non presidential election is nearly impossible.
Yes, there are many Nazis on Twitter and Musk isn’t doing anything about them. That doesn’t mean getting rid of this office won’t have an effect. Even idiots and assholes can be swayed by the right reframing of information or not even hearing about it if they get rid of a tweet before it goes viral.
I think they should raid the site and find every piece of transphobic shit and put them all in jail. And Musk should be put away for life as he’s enabling all of this shit.
Maybe you’d change your mind if you were constantly being harassed by people online because of troll farms like this. Not to mention that places like that enable people to stalk and terrorize trans people IRL. Besides, I never called for executions, that’s you just putting words in my mouth. And by your own admission, I’m not surprised you’d collaborate with nazis either or that you actually believe that they could take over. Guess that speaks volumes about you.
He always has been kind of trash, but now he has regular business meetings with Putin.
In other COMPLETELY UNRELATED News: Russia has been pushing far right isolationist propaganda in the west for the last 20 years or so, going as far as to fund major parties in the Brexit movement, and far right parties all across Europe, and the Republicans in the USA.
Yes, I know what happens. I give you an article or even specific names and then you say, “how is he a Nazi?” and then I give you specific quotes and you say, “what about those quotes makes him a Nazi?”
Holy fucking fuck! Fuck this shit and fuck that piece of shit pig!
FUCKING CHRIST! JUST FUCKING THROWING OUT THE CASE WHERE HE MURDERED A MAN THROUGH A CAR DOOR THAT FUCKING OPENS OUTWARDS?!! THEN FUCKING LIED AND LIED ABOUT FUCKING LYING!!
Fuck you Wendy Pew I hope he’ll is real just so you rot in it and maybe I can meet you in it to make your afterlife a little bit worse.
For fucks shack antivax should have animals and kids taken away pure abuse. We need laws to force people to get vaxxed. And start jailing people spreading misinformation against vaccines.
New Orleans should be abandoned for many reasons. This is just the latest. Ideally the government would have resettled people after Katrina and declared everywhere that flooded to be unbuildable.
You’re looking at this backwards. It essentially would make a business compete with every other minimum wage job if all they’re offering is $20/h. They either raise wages to lure skilled workers, or try to provide some other benefits.
I wonder why stores like Walmart and Whole Foods are shuttering stores. Can’t wait for these community run stores to become crime-ridden shitholes from rowdies.
It’s totally not the ridiculous crime rates from a minority of the population amirite?
There’s a part of the Bible that talks about swelling the belly that can be considered vague enough to ignore. Although I think it’s pretty obvious what it’s talking about.
But the Bible is 100% crystal clear about fetuses being property and absolutely not a living human. In fact, I think it’s a bit extreme in that it says if you cause a miscarriage you just have to pay a fine.
I’m pro abortion but 20 weeks seems like it’s pushing that line for acceptable.
Article:
According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
Police say that the Burgesses buried the fetal remains. An examination of the remains suggested they may have also been burned, according to court documents.
20 weeks is not pushing anything especially in states where it is extremely difficult to get an abortion. Some states require multiple doctor visits which can mean multiple days off work. That is not an easy task for many who are living paycheck to paycheck.
Also, who the fuck calls themselves pro-abortion?
That said, I read that she was about 28 weeks along. At that point it is considered a stillborn and needs to be properly disposed of. Burning the body and burying it in a friend’s yard does not fall under proper disposal.
I do. I am also pro-angioplasty and pro- root canal. These are all great medical procedures, and while it’s sad when an individual needs them, its great that they exist.
It’s a poor way to frame your position. It somewhat implies you want more of them to happen. Personally I’d prefer no abortions happen. Not because they’re illegal, but because there’s no need for the operation. I’d also prefer no need for angioplasty or root canals. Kinda like the idiots that call themselves “pro life” yet support the death penalty and think it needs to be used more.
It’s absolutely a poor way to label yourself and the far right latch onto that and use it to convince their base that all pro choice people want more abortions and want to force those abortions on others. While you may have your own definition, it will absolutely be taken and used against you by the far right especially when you make it easy for them.
I mean me, abortion is great if done correctly and doesn’t endanger the mother.
I have no idea as a guy with no kids how far along 20 weeks is in the gestation cycle. Other than there are about 4.3 weeks in a month and that’ll put them just under 5 months along? Seems pretty far along to me but again i don’t know the process.
Did you also miss the part about her being a teenager? Mental health issues? Only $400 to her name? You would sentence her and the fetus to an extremely difficult life. If you advocate adoption, you probably don’t understand the physical toll of carrying a fetus to term. So you’d be sentencing a teenager to undergo that still.
Pro abortion is a terrible way to frame that position. No one is advocating for more abortions. We are advocating for that option to be legally available alongside a multitude of support and educational routes to help people be fully informed as well as have access to proper birth control and medical care.
I’m advocating for abortions that make sense, i meant pro choice but pro abortion is fine too. As long as it doesn’t endanger the mother.
I’m an advocate for adoption, I’m adopted. All of that fucking sucks right? Not having money, chance for issues because of a young mother, mental health issues. Who doesn’t have mental health issues these days? Why wait 4-5 months? There are agencies that help people go across state lines to get abortions.
I have not given birth or been on the receiving end of investigations like this. But you are telling me going through 4-5 more months of carrying the baby to term would do more harm to this young lady than the invesigation process, wondering if you will get caught, getting caught, and then 90 days in jail would be better for her?
I think this whole thing is a shit situation and I’m sad to see them get sent to jail for something they could do legally in another state but endangering herself would not be what i would have done personally.
She is a teenager but she is 19, not 13/14/15. She is an adult
I have not given birth or been on the receiving end of investigations like this. But you are telling me going through 4-5 more months of carrying the baby to term would do more harm to this young lady than the invesigation process, wondering if you will get caught, getting caught, and then 90 days in jail would be better for her?
That’s her choice to make. Birth is a traumatic event (for all women) carrying a chance of death and long-term damage to their body. It’s not important what you think is easier or what you accept, it’s her body and should be her choice.
Fair, i mean to some extent right. But an abortion on a fetus that is 9 months along would be to late right? Or not? If there is no harm to the baby or mother, how far along in your opinion is to far for an abortion?
I’m pro choice within reason. Pro lgbtq+ within reason. You enjoy your life just don’t touch my butt.
But an abortion on a fetus that is 9 months along would be to late right? Or not? If there is no harm to the baby or mother, how far along in your opinion is to far for an abortion?
“Do women have bodily autonomy?” is a yes or no question. Does the state have a right to forced organ donation? No. And that’s for fully formed people with experiences and relationships.
I’m pro choice within reason. Pro lgbtq+ within reason. You enjoy your life just don’t touch my butt.
This doesn’t really sound like you are as much those things as you’d like to believe. You don’t need to support a woman’s right to choose “but” or associate sexual assault with LGBTQ+ rights.
We are a culture steeped in conservative influence campaigns with insufficient pushback from liberals so we develop these framings of topics that have intentionally twisted muich easier questions. Pro choice means pro choice and LGBTQ+ rights do not cause sexual assault.
Do women have bodily autonomy? No. My mom should not be able to go and hurt herself too the point of being hospitalized/instatutionalized. So no blanket body autonomy. At some point people that know more about the subject than me should step in for the health of those involved.
That is the same thing for abortion. As long as the health of everyone involved is taken into consideration that is all i care about. The tricky question is when is the fetus considered a person? I don’t have an answer to that.
The “dont touch my butt” statement is a joke. You/they live their lives how they want. Just don’t infringe upon my life and my rights aka “dont touch my butt”. You want to go march at a gay parade? Sure. I’ve joined one in California. I’ve lived with lesbians, very good friends, fell out of touch recently thanks for reminding me to reach out.
Edit: and if you read my comments, never once have i said she should not have gotten an abortion. I just asked questions and expressed my reservations
Do women have bodily autonomy? No. My mom should not be able to go and hurt herself too the point of being hospitalized/instatutionalized.
This is an absurd dodge. Do women, in full possession of their faculties and well informed about their options, have bodily autonomy? Accepting that this case may not have involved well-informed medical decisions.
As long as the health of everyone involved is taken into consideration that is all i care about. The tricky question is when is the fetus considered a person?
This is a long way to say “no”. Do you support forced organ donation? You don’t have an answer for when fetuses are people, but people certainly are people.
The “dont touch my butt” statement is a joke. You/they live their lives how they want. Just don’t infringe upon my life and my rights aka “dont touch my butt”.
So then what is your “within reason” for LGBTQ+ rights then? Because you put your joke about sexual assault is in the same place you put your sincere belief about abortion. And what’s the actual joke, because “it’s just a joke” requires there to be humor involved. Explain the joke to me.
It wasn’t a dodge it got my point across. “Do women, in full possession of their faculties and well informed about their options, have bodily autonomy?”
Yes they do.
You will have to excuse me, i do not understand your meaning behind “forced organ donation” in this context, could you explain that?
I believe i already started my within reason for lgbtq+ rights. I support them until they infringe upon my rights. The same as how i support other religions/races/genders/little people i support their causes as long as they don’t infringe upon my rights.
As for explain the joke, no, I’m not going to. You may not find it humerous and maybe it’s just not a great translation to text.
You may believe i don’t support these causes, and that is your right, i do believe i support them and agree with them within reason and that is my right.
It wasn’t a dodge it got my point across. “Do women, in full possession of their faculties and well informed about their options, have bodily autonomy?”
Then it shouldn’t matter how far along the pregnancy is, because any rule where you say “you can’t remove this from your body in the safest way possible” is infringing on that.
You will have to excuse me, i do not understand your meaning behind “forced organ donation” in this context, could you explain that?
If someone needs a kidney and you are match for them, would you support the government forcing you to donate one of yours?
“you can’t remove this from your body in the safest way possible” is infringing on that.
Ahh so in my opinion, that is the crux of our different stances. I have the belief that everyone has their rights until it infringes upon my rights or the rights of others. To me, in my opinion, at some point that fetus becomes a child/person and has rights of its own, now i don’t know when that is i would say 3rd trimester maybe? again in my opinion. So unless there is danger to the mother or child eventually at some point the mother should bring the child to term. I think if you hit that 7th month you should know if you want to keep the baby and bring it to term. Whether you give the child up for adoption or raise it yourself is another matter entirely.
If someone needs a kidney and you are match for them, would you support the government forcing you to donate one of yours?
So unless there is danger to the mother or child eventually at some point the mother should bring the child to term.
Proceeding to birth is both a physical hardship and a more dangerous method for removing the fetus. Why does the state get to tell the potential mother to spend the next two months pregnant (likely missing work at some point along the way) and then go through something with a risk to their life and with potential lifelong impacts on their body? Birth isn’t a costless physical act.
If someone needs a kidney and you are match for them, would you support the government forcing you to donate one of yours?
No, now what does that have to do with this?
The person in need of the kidney has a right to life and your refusal infringes on it. If you’re willing to tell women they must risk their health for a potential child, you should approve of the government forcing you to risk your health for a person who needs it. It’s just a balance of rights, is it not?
The person in need of the kidney has a right to life and your refusal infringes on it. If you’re willing to tell women they must risk their health for a potential child, you should approve of the government forcing you to risk your health for a person who needs it. It’s just a balance of rights, is it not?
I would disagree here. Their right to life cannot infringe upon my rights. In my opinion that is a different scenario. I can understand if you disagree.
You are saying that a woman in full control of her facilities and in no danger of medical complications one day before her due date should be able to abort the fetus? What about giving birth half way babies head is out of the mother, can abort the baby? What about still connected before they cut the umbilical cord? Still able to abort?
I would disagree here. Their right to life cannot infringe upon my rights.
How do you not get that this is exactly what you’re demanding of pregnant women?? The fetus’s right to life cannot infringe on the prospective mother. And that’s just a fetus, the transplant recipient is a full unquestionable person with a myriad of relationships, obligations, and contributions to society.
You are saying that a woman in full control of her facilities and in no danger of medical complications
This is not a situation that ever exists. Birthing is a traumatic process that incurs risk of death and long-term damage to the body, even when everything is going well right up until it starts. You don’t seem to know much about pregnancy.
I’m ignoring your other questions because they’re stupid.
I get that, i believe i asked or infered the question earlier about when the fetus becomes a “person” is basically what this whole discussion revolves around.
You didn’t want to answer the questions because while they are stupid, much like forced organ donation, they are awkward to answer and they go against “100% her body, her choice” there is a line out their that at some point aborting the fetus is “murder” what that line is? I have no idea but we have laws for things like that. Much like we have laws that can force you to do things you don’t want to do for the health of others and yourself, go to jail if you are a violent criminal, go to the psych ward, court mandated therapy etc. At some point you shouldn’t be able to abort a child. You want to you want to abort a child for the first, second, third, up to the fifth month? Sure no questions six and seven? Kinda pushing it in my mind eighth or ninth? Kinda seems rediculous to me.
You are right i don’t know a lot about pregnancy I’m not a doctor, I’ve never given birth. Just what i read and have seen from friends/ family and being their for them during their recoveries.
At this point i think we are going in circles in the discussion, I’d be happy to continue but i don’t see the point. I hope you have a great week and thanks for taking the time to have a semi civil conversation with me about a very charged subject.
Jumping in here. Would you accept forced blood donation? If someone desperately needed a blood transfusion and no volunteer donors come forward, would you accept a government finding an eligible person and drawing blood by force if necessary? Why or why not?
That’s hard to answer. It would depend on the greater good that the forced blood donation would be for. If it is because joe billionaire needs it for some elective surgery, no. If it is for some sort of pandemic and my blood will help sure. Especially if it is like a system that incenivises the donation in some way. “Hey patient A needs blood if you donate you’ll be higher up on the list for xyz” or something
The logical followup is where is that line to decide if it’s “enough of a greater good” and who gets to decide? My answer to that would be people that are smarter than me and people we put in office to help make laws. Regardless of what they decide i will have an opinion about it and look to discuss it.
I also give blood quarterly anyway. Getting out of forced blood draw would be easy, recent tattoos, rusty knife of unknown origin cut your skin while you were walking, or participated in an orgy with people of questionable virtue will all get you politely asked to leave. They don’t mess around with potential blood contaminants.
Sorry but you avoided the point of the question. In this case you are specifically the only person with acceptable blood for the transfer and it is to a person you refuse to provide blood for. That can take the form of Joe Billionaire or some other manifestation of what you might consider an “ultimate evil”, but at the heart of the matter is that you do not want to participate. Would you be OK with a government forcing you to provide blood against your wishes?
Ahh OK. So would i be OK with someone doing something to me or a loved one against my wishes? No, but would i give blood in this case if it was a law, yes. Laws force you to do something potentially against your will.
Someone is driving a car swerving, driving erratically, and when the officer pulls them over the car smells of alchohol. The officer requests they do a breathalyzer or they go to the station for a blood test, refuse that and they lose their ability to drive for a year. They refuse everything, is it fair the officer can force them to not drive and take away their free will for a night throwing you in jail?
If that isn’t the same thing fine. What about required vaccinations before a kid can go to public school? That policy is recently under more scrutiny since covid. For the greater good i think that is a good policy.
So your two examples of the drunk driver and vaccines are different. You don’t have the right to drive or go to school. You are granted that privilege by the government. Part of those privileges involve consent to certain requirements. So in those cases, the government is simply forcing you to uphold the agreement put in place. If you used this reasoning to support your argument, it would be like saying bodily autonomy is a privilege granted by the government. Maybe if you’re at a breeding age they would prevent you from sterilization (so you can procreate for the greater good). They could tell you not to get a tattoo (or go full Hitler and force you to get a tattoo).
You say you would not be OK with the law, but would comply. How far does that go? Would you support another military draft? Potentially being put into deadly situations (especially if you don’t agree with the war/whatever is happening)? Forced labor if it was for “the good of the country” or some reason (maybe making a product you don’t agree with e.g. drugs, guns, late term abortion kits)?
If someone were to refuse to comply with any of these laws, what should the punishment be?
Edit: What if the government tried to mandate forced abortions? If they can declare something necessary “for the greater good”?
Driving is a privilege, but i believe education is a right and requirement for every child. Parents can choose private/home/public but the education is a requirement. CPS can remove a child from a home if they are not going to school.
I’d like to clarify, bodily autonomy is a right in my opinion.
I do agree fundamentally with the draft. I do agree that in certain circumstances we can/ should give up rights “for the greater good”. The widening of surveillance after 9/11 for instance. I agree with it in concept but also agree it was abused and went on to long.
I trust the people that we vote for and the checks and balances in place would stop overt abuse of the system. Do i think the system is perfect? No. Do i agree with everything Democrats do in office? No. Do i agree with everything Republicans do in office? No. But the concept i agree with.
If i disagreed with a law vehemently enough, and voting/ trusting the system isn’t enough i would leave the country.
As for punishments, that isn’t for one person to arbitrarily decide and should always be re assessed with the times.
Ps: really making me regret using only mobile for lemmy lmao
I share your frustration with using mobile. Also I must commend you on staying pretty consistent. There’s a lot of abortion opponents that come unglued at the thought of something like forced blood or organ donation. Though I disagree with your opinion, this is a rare case where the issue was almost fully boiled down to a difference of opinions. I’ll change course a tad.
No doubt you agree with the right to privacy and I’m sure you’d have some exceptions (probable cause to search and stuff like that). If a doctor considers it medically necessary to abort citing life of the mother as being in danger, how would you reconcile allowing the government to overrule that? What other areas should the government overrule licensed and practicing professionals in their area of expertise? How would you reconcile the right to medical privacy? After all the government would need to know it was a medically necessary operation rather than some reason you oppose. What other medical information should the government have access to without your consent? Surely you could also see that would be rife for abuse (don’t hire the woman on fertility drugs as she’s likely going to be pregnant soon).
In some other comments you’d mentioned you’d think at some point in the pregnancy it would transition from fetus to person. What obligations would the government need to adhere to once the fetus is considered a person? Consider a pregnant woman fasting in an effort to induce a miscarriage. No doubt you’d expect government involvement if a parent decided to just stop feeding their already born child. Would you support an extreme like force feeding a woman in an effort to preserve the “person”? Forced c-section once deemed viable? If you don’t support that extreme, where do you draw the line and is that consistent with where you draw the line for already born people?
There is nothing wrong with differing opinions and it is, in my opinion, the lack of the ability to have a civil conversation about those differences that has lead to some divides that we are seeing in the world today.
You cannot argue that eventually a fetus becomes a person. It’s just when that happens that you can argue. It’s it the first, second, third trimester, when it leaves the vaginal canal, or when the umbilical cord is snipped. And maybe fetus isn’t the right term. Eventually the thing growing inside a woman during pregnancy becomes a person. I also have not said in my opinion when that happens as I’m not nearly educated enough in that realm. I just said something along the lines of “seems a little late” or something along those lines in regards to the 5 month abortion time.
I think that if a guy impregnates a girl and splits they should be paying child support during the pregnancy. As for obligations the government has to keep the un born child/fetus/person alive? I don’t know. Thinking about it as i have over the past couple days, I do think abortion should unquestionably be allowed up to the third tri mester. It’s just after that where it starts to get into that gray area for me personally.
As for government forced procedures it would be on them to prove the burden of the “greater good” in my opinion. I cannot see a reason for the government to force a pregnancy through from day 1 to birth “for the greater good”. In my opinion a case could be made to “force/require/mandate” a woman that is the day before her due date to cary the child to term, that case could be the fetus is a person and has a right to life, do i agree with the argument? I don’t know but a case could be made. I would personally be interested in knowing why the woman wants to abort the day before delivery. And it all comes back to when that fetus/child/ whatever you want to call it becomes a person in my opinion.
The government already has the ability to overrule healthcare officials right? They need to be licensed through the state to practice, that’s my understanding at least. As for your private medical data? You keep that as long as you don’t participate in any government medical aid/programs. I would love to see free medical for everyone via government. But you will give up some privacy from the government in that case. Should your medical records be out their for everyone to see? No. But the appropriate programs/entities with reasonable use should have access. For instance if someone wants a new liver, their previous drug/alchohol information should be taken into account. Should government sponsored food stamps have access to your medical history? No.
Just because one entity has access to your data doesn’t mean it should be shared with the world. If the government has access to your medical information potential employers, government agencies or private sector, should not have access to it. Anti Discrimination laws are still in place and should be upheld. Do those laws get violated? Sure, all laws do. But we need laws of some sort in place. If you disagree with them get out and vote, protest, lobby for change.
You cannot argue that eventually a fetus becomes a person.
No real argument there. But “personhood” can be a troublesome notion to define. I’ve found it easier to frame it as “At what point should the government confer certain rights to a fetus/person?” After all, there are many rights that are age gated and no one really balks at that (driving, smoking, voting).
I do think abortion should unquestionably be allowed up to the third tri mester. It’s just after that where it starts to get into that gray area for me personally.
This gets back to doctors being overruled by the government. If a doctor recommends terminating a pregnancy the day before they’re due date, who are you or the government to contravene that? The licensing isn’t the government overruling their decisions. That’s the government’s check to ensure its citizens won’t fall victim to some quack rubbing then down with crystals and essential oils while calling themselves doctors.
This is the point opponents like to use the “abortion as birth control” and try to argue these late term abortions should be banned to prevent that. That’s just simply not the case for late term abortions though. Women are not carrying a fetus for 9 months only to up and change their mind right before it becomes unequivocally murder. Again, the hypothetical is this is a doctor’s recommendation. A doctor would not be recommending terminating that late simply because the person felt like it. Things would need to be catastrophically dire for the mother or fetus for that to be recommended that late. On top of that, a tiny fraction of abortions happen in the third trimester. The implications for malpractice are huge if they recommend dangerous treatments that are not outweighed by the benefits. You have espoused at least a modicum of faith in the government to identify “the greater good”. Would you extend that same faith to doctors? Assume they will mostly act ethically and professionally and only recommend abortion if it is truly the best option?
That’s not up to you to decide. That’s a decision to be made between a doctor and patient privately.
The rest of your comment is just special pleading to placate your delicate and ill placed sensibilities. That is a healthcare decision, the same as anything else you’d go to a doctor for. You not agreeing with someone else’s decision is your problem and yours alone.
I didn’t say the abortions needed to make sense to me, they need to make sense to the people involved. Will i have an opinion on the matter sure. Does my opinion matter? No. If i disagree i will vote to put people into office that will hopefully vote the way i want on things. If more people vote the other way and my guy/gal doesn’t win? That sucks try again another time.
And fuck my delicate ill placed sensibilities. I’m just here having a conversation. Expressing my thoughts, opinions, in a hopefully civil discourse.
I didn’t say the abortions needed to make sense to me
Then why say it? Who else are you talking about and who decides what makes sense? Why would it have to make sense to anyone besides the doctor and patient?
If i disagree i will vote to put people into office that will hopefully vote the way i want on things.
And if some angry twat spouts lies like women are aborting at 9 months just for fun and that they’ll stop that, whats to stop you from voting for an idiot like that because you both don’t know what you’re talking about?
You try very hard to defend a shitty position while not admitting you hold it. From your other comments you are fully buying into the bullshit propaganda about abortions. Then you take that misinformation to the voting booth. You claimed to have LGBT friends (while making a thinly veiled homophobic joke). Ask them for some information on abortions. Ask some women. Hell, ask a damn doctor.
It’s OK to be wrong. It’s OK to have fallen for some well dressed propaganda. Just learn from it and try to understand why that happened.
As for who decides what makes sense, purple that are smarter than me, people that we vote into office, and hopefully the experts that we see when we go in for medical care.
And if some angry twat spouts lies like women are aborting at 9 months just for fun and that they’ll stop that, whats to stop you from voting for an idiot like that because you both don’t know what you’re talking about?
Nothing is to stop me or anyone else from voting. Or should anyway. Nice job calling me an idiot i suppose. What specific position am i defending that has you do up in arms? What have i done other than mistakenly end my first comment in this thread with a period Instead of a question mark? I seriously want to know. As someone raised republican and now a Democrat, and a card carrying member of the church of satan, that donates to them every year, what position am i defending?
As for homophobic joke… I’m not a fan of women i don’t know touching my butt, men i don’t know touching my butt, or really anyone i don’t know touching my butt.
When that teenage girl, i think of 14, from Ohio had to cross state lines to get an abortion because she was raped, i was appalled to hear of people saying “well there is no records of her being restored so obviously it’s a political stunt”.
Jesus fucking Christ people, put down your fucking pitch forks and try having a conversation with people. That’s the only way you are going to change minds. Stop going to war and have civil discourse.
I know it’s OK to be wrong, I’ve made many mistakes in life. But having my opinions on these matters is not one of them.
I don’t know what’s it’s like where you are, but there are definitely also a lot of young homeless people where I live. I don’t just mean house-less, I mean living in tents or worse.
It really sucks that so many people are suffering, and there isn’t even a good reason for it.
You can work your arse off day in, day out, only to get hit by someone driving drunk. Then, you get stuck on insufficient disability payments, even through you had no fault in what happened to you. Even if you manage get a decent court payout in a good country, you’re still probably looking at a lot of expenses accessibility-wise (ESPECIALLY if you live somewhere like the US.) A lot of that stuff isn’t cheap. Plus, you would have to try to make that payment last for the rest of your life. Food, bills, rent, clothing, and more would all still be costs you would have.
It sucks that so many people push back against any kind of support for these individuals. It really makes you wonder what they would do if they woke up with the shoe on the other foot.
Honestly, maybe this is an effective strategy. Rather than continue to try to convince them to care about others, we just have to convince them that they are in danger themselves. Republicans discovered that fear motivates boomers better than avocado motivates millennials, so it’s time to start using the tools we have available to drive the point home.
And then we can finally get our hands on all that sweet avocado and toast…
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