Or, like, get on a bus. Or walk. Or cycle. Or get food delivered from any one of many cheap delivery options. Or even a food bank or church. Or neighbour. Or family. Or friends. You think people without a car who don’t have a supermarket next door just die? I can’t even imagine the level of learned helplessness you seem to possess.
Buses take money. And walk where? Bicycle where? You think they could just walk to the nearest supermarket? Do you not understand that there isn’t food available for miles? Do you really not understand what the term ‘food desert’ means?
And delivered? Do you really not understand what being poor means?
Bused are cheap, walk to a store, bicycle to a store, I bike 12km to and from every day. But you’re conveniently ignoring every other argument the lad above made, so that shows your victim mentality.
You think poor people can afford get food delivered. You think a supermarket is within walking distance. You have no idea what being poor means or what a food desert is. People can be 20 miles from the nearest place to buy food in rural small towns. All they can do is buy junk food at the Dollar General and survive on that.
Poor doesn’t mean you can afford luxuries. Food desert doesn’t mean you can walk to a supermarket.
Sorry, that was another person I was talking to. And yes, junk food is expensive. Too bad it can be literally the only option sometimes. But I guess those people are too poor to matter.
Again, if you live in “fucking America” and the nearest supermarket is 10 miles away and you work 3 jobs and have no good access to transportation, it sure as hell is your only option.
“The distance to the nearest supermarket or supercenter for the average U.S. household was 2.14 miles and that average household primarily shopped at a store 3.79 miles from home.3 aug 2015”
“The researchers found that in 2015, the median distance to the nearest food store for the overall U.S. population was 0.9 miles, with 40 percent of the U.S. population living more than 1 mile from a food store. The median distance to the third-nearest food store for the overall population was 1.7 miles.3 jun 2019 www.ers.usda.gov"
" ‘far’ is defined as more than one mile for urban locations and more than 10 miles in rural spots.”
Not having access to food is quite rare for the average American, most of the ones there are are in bumfuck nowhere.
They don’t have to be starving to death for it to be a huge problem. I doubt you’ll read this, but I’ll leave it for others: www.feedingamerica.org/…/food-insecurity
You have no idea what a food desert is like, and seem to think everyone can afford to just catch a bus across town or pay for Amazon Prime for free delivery (and oh the irony, screeching about “crime” then expecting people working multiple jobs to just get delivery, like those wouldn’t get stolen in your crime world - guess those all those criminals running rampant through grocery stores would leave packages sitting by a doorstep be, eh? 🙄)
So does food from the supermarket. That’s why we give poor people money. We should, IMHO, give them even more. Either way, with that money, they get on the bus.
Half of the world’s population walk miles for food and water. That’s certainly not a big ask on a bicycle. I commute six miles each way to work on a bike, every day. For millennia, humans roamed hundreds of miles on foot hunting for game. Yet you’re arguing someone today can’t cycle a few miles?? Lordy.
Delivery is often cheaper than the time and commute, so I’m not sure what you’re arguing there. Amazon offers free delivery, and you can buy every staple you need.
Wow. You’re actually asking poor Americans to live like they’re in third-world countries? I thought America was the richest nation?
That’s some spicy classism. Walking and cycling isn’t the domain of the unwashed masses. It’s a clean, healthy source of transport which more cities should encourage. Furthermore, should one choose to use the less healthy and polluting forms of transport, they can: the bus. Using the money they are given for not working at all. They don’t get that in developing nations.
And food delivery is not cheap. That’s just a lie.
I don’t expect them to walk miles for water. I expect them to take a bus for food. I don’t think you are reading what I’m writing.
And you have to pay for Prime for “free” delivery. Which poor people can’t afford.
No you don’t. Prime offers free fast shipping. There’s still free shipping on millions of products without Prime. It just won’t come the same/next day.
You cannot use SNAP for bus fare. You also cannot get delivery using SNAP, besides Amazon, and you have to have a Whole Foods near you. The closest one for me, as an example, is in another state 3hrs away. So Amazon won’t deliver to me. There’s actually no bud where I live, so that’s out. And I just looked it up, it’d take me over 2hrs to bike to the nearest grocery store, and I’d have to do it on a highway. Oh and on top of that, I’d have to bring my toddlers.
Your points are great, if you live in a city. But most food deserts are in smaller rural towns. You’re asking people, in America a supposedly developed nation, to do the same things people in developing nations have to do to get food. It’s kinda ass backwards don’t ya think? That the “richest” nation is telling their population to live like some of the poorest nations.
You cannot use SNAP for bus fare. You also cannot get delivery using SNAP
This is a good argument for giving people money, not food stamps.
You’re asking people, in America a supposedly developed nation, to do the same things people in developing nations have to do to get food.
I don’t get this revulsion to walking. Most people walk every day for commutes, food, and errands. Walking does not mean your life is irredeemably terrible. In fact, data shows you will live longer and be happier. Ditto for cycling.
You live in a little town far away from civilisation. I think it’s unreasonable to expect city amenities in such places. There’s no logistical way to get supermarkets close to every home. Not when people have built homes so far away from everyone else.
Here was you response to me prior to you deleteing it:
You cannot use SNAP for bus fare. You also cannot get delivery using SNAP
This is a good argument for giving people money, not food stamps.
You’re asking people, in America a supposedly developed nation, to do the same things people in developing nations have to do to get food.
I don’t get this revulsion to walking. Most people walk every day for commutes, food, and errands. Walking does not mean your life is irredeemably terrible. In fact, data shows you will live longer and be happier. Ditto for cycling.
You live in a little town far away from civilisation. I think it’s unreasonable to expect city amenities in such places. There’s no logistical way to get supermarkets close to every home. Not when people have built homes so far away from everyone else.
And my response: No one is asking for supermarkets near their home. But a grocery store that’s reasonably priced is well within the realm of possible. You’re literally blaming people for where they live, even though they can’t afford to move. These aren’t new builds. These are generational homes. The people who built them are long dead and their grandkids or great grandkids now live in the same house because they are too poor to live elsewhere. My town has a pop of over 10k. It’s reasonable to expect a grocery store or 3, or even a supermarket, to be there. And I’ve explained in another comment why there isn’t. No one is against walking, but as I said in my other comment to you, I’d have to bike over 2hrs to the nearest grocery store, walking? It’d take me 8hrs. It is not reasonable to expect anyone to walk 8hrs to the nearest grocery store. (And yes, I Google mapped it so I’m not just talking out my ass.) I’m honestly just so flabbergasted that people blame others for where they live like they have a choice when they can’t even afford a car.
The part about not being able to use SNAP for delivery isn’t even true. I’m on food stamps; I can get delivery from Walmart, Instacart, most local grocers and more. As long as I’m only getting food stamp eligible items, I don’t have to use any real cash.
Has to depend on state then, even though I know it’s a federal subsidy, because I’m also on food stamps and cannot order delivery. Not when I lived in the city, and not now in the town I live in.
Ah, yes. Me working hard to be where I am and seeing others do nothing and complain about being poor is classism. I’m not rich, I’m just not a fucking bum.
How do you know they are able to work by just seeing them on their porch? I’m semi-disabled. No one would be able to tell unless I told them. I work, but I was unable to for 3 years until I got my medication sorted and a job that was liberal about me taking sick days. Was I a bum for three years? Should I have worked while screaming in agonizing pain?
You weren’t unable to work, you were just unable to do work that you felt was good enough for you. You could’ve taken a call centre job and worked from home, you could’ve attempted something like drop shipping which has nearly no initial costs, you could’ve done a million things right there from your bedroom and you did nothing and called yourself “semi-disabled”. You’re either disabled, or you’re not. So yeah, you were a bum for three years.
I literally screamed in pain every 20 minutes. I have trigeminal neuralgia, the suicide disease. It’s called that because most people kill themselves rather than handle it. I’m sure a call center job would have worked really well if I screamed at the customer. Thankfully, that has been solved and I’m only in severe pain all the time now instead of severe to agonizing every 20 minutes. You have no idea what I go through. You are being fucking offensive.
Or the normal name, fothergill’s disease. Very painful indeed, ay but maybe starting out with that would’ve been better than claiming semi-disabled, because that’s a bullshit term. You have Fothergill disease, you’re disabled.
You misunderstand, I simply don’t care what you go through, and I don’t care about offending you in the slightest. We’re on the internet, we’re nothing to eachother and will likely never interact again after this. Sure, it sucks for you, but it has exactly 0 impact on my life.
No one calls it Fothergill’s disease. Not a single medical professional has ever said that to me. That’s not a “normal name” that I have heard anyone use in any context outside people like you who find it on internet searches.
And no, when I said semi-disabled, I meant it. I am able to work and receive disability to make up for the lost time when I can’t.
Yeah, it might be a language thing because I’m guessing English isn’t your first. But feel free to find evidence that “Fothergill’s Disease” is the common name in the U.S. where I live. I’d like to see it.
Excellent point. If stealing is what keeps people fed, then the taxes that keep that store open are worth it. But also I think the reported rates of theft are wildly overstated, here in Australia we had our two largest stores basically admit they made up the whole "epidemic" so they'd have an excuse to raise prices.
Do you believe every USPS office is profitable? No, many are not, but people need access to mail. Roads don’t generate a profit either. Government services shouldn’t need to be profitable.
Bullshit. Those large stores come in to an area and drive out local competition, then when they don’t make the % to keep the shareholders happy they fold up and leave. Mom and pop shops are the backbone of communities and these pricks destroy that.
Because wehh corporations wehh mom and pop shop (which they don’t go to because it’s inconvient) bla bla poor people. People like thinking they have a deeper understanding of something even if it’s objectively not true because it makes them feel intelligent, no matter how stupid it makes then look. The reason these stores closed is really simple, crime in low income areas caused these stores to not be profitable or simply not worth the endless hassle. I don’t even get why they’re mad though, they cry about mom and pop shops and when the large corporations leave and there is all the space for them they get mad the large corporations left. Idiotic.
So I’d like to chime in here as someone who lives in a low income food desert. The food desert isn’t because of theft. In fact, many chains have tried to open up here over the decades. The city government is so hostile towards them though, that these stores don’t even get to the opening stages. The city wants to charge these stores exorbitant fees for no reason. Charge 10x as much for electricity than the town with a smaller population 15minutes away. Is this everywhere, no, but it is in more places than you’d think.
Let me guess, your response to that would be “Well just vote those people out! It’s your fault for keeping them in there!” And my response to that is, vote them out and replace them with who? No one has run against these people since they were first elected into office in the 1960’s. Oh sure we’ve tried to get people to turn against them, but they’ve stacked the system so it’s damn near impossible. The only thing we can do is wait until they die, which doesn’t seem to be any time soon.
You remind me of this guy I’ve debated with who had this outlandish claim that “If CEO’s are paid less, then they’d work less.” But there’s no actual proof to that, and trust me, he looked. He then went on to say he’d rather be paid in company stock than cash. Like he’d legit forego minimum wage to be paid in 100% stock.
So I’m going to say the same thing to you that I’ve said to him. You’ve been all up and down this thread blaming theft as the reason why food deserts are a thing, can you provide nonbiased studies proving that?
I’ve read all the threads and comments since I get notifications for every single one, and have yet to see you back up a claim with anything but insults and bluster. You’ve asserted a lot but proven nothing.
Stores expanded too much and then got hit by the pandemic, a tight labor market, and changes in buying patterns. Those sort of things have a lot larger impact on their profitability than whether shrink was 1.6% or 1.4%.
Some stores are higher than 1.4%, but it’s still in the low end of single digits, not like 15%. Raising prices a couple percent to compensate wouldn’t even be noticed.
Does shrink include the cost of security, security measures, vandalism or injured employees? You have this one thing you think describes the whole thing and the reality is you’ve chosen your bad guy and you’re going to confirmation bias yourself there.
If they admit they overreached, it will hurt stock prices and their bonuses.
So they blame crime, knowing a significant amount of the population will go along with it because it’s victim blaming and psychologically that makes people think it can’t ever effect themselves.
I dont know why else people would take Walmart PR as gospel
Wal-mart regularly closes stores that try to unionize.
Whole Foods is a division of Amazon, and their store decisions generally float around hurting labor until labor gets fed up.
But that is only the pattern that both of those employers have shown repeatedly for years now so maybe I am prejudice against companies owned by multibillionaires.
Funny how that’s the same excuse used by stores in my area that were trying to unionize. Weird that these two things always seem to align. It’s almost like monopolies are bad
You’re skipping a few steps there lad, 1. There’s more than 1 store, they might not carry everything so you’ll have to go to another store, but that is the reality of mom and pop shops. 2. How is it that a lot of those stores died out in the first place? Because you purchased everything at the large cooperation, and when the mom and pop shops closed you blamed the large storechain WHOM YOU GAVE YOUR MONEY TO. It’s like none of you understand that every action has a consequence and there is no one to blame but yourself. It’s a business, ofcourse they want profit, and you let them to the detriment of the shops you pretend to care so much about. You made your choice, stop fucking complaining.
I don’t think you understand what a food desert is. Or what being poor is like. Especially when you seem to be suggesting that it’s poor people’s fault for being poor.
I always try to forgo people’s political stance and just debate them on issues as humans. Sucks that these particular humans ignore everything that doesn’t fit their agenda and they all have no fucking responsibility and claim innocence and blame everyone else. It’s pathetic.
Americans going to the government owned post office that isn’t profitable: Wow, I sure am glad that there is a way for me to send and receive mail, it’s a service everyone needs.
Americans considering the government opening a grocery store that might not be profitable: This is totally unsustainable and there is too much stealing for this to exist. People do not deserve access to a conveniently located grocery store.
Implying that a government opening a grocery store in an area because companies closed thiers being some sort of extremist commie take when the government already does this with things like libraries and postal offices and nobody bats an eye.
A lot of people do critize USPS, several years ago Republicans tried to privatize it but there was heavy push back. It’s not exactly hypocritical here.
Republicans are afraid that LGBTQ characters will humanize LGBTQ people and children might learn to empathize with them, which would reduce bigotry against them.
Instead of making you wait, they should have been forced to shell out to get you a new machine from another company. Well, Resmed. All of us who use CPAPs know that Phillips and Resmed machines are far and away better than any other machine out there. Which sucks for us users.
Once again profit was more important than the health and safety of common people. And i am quite sure that none of the responsible parties will see jail time over this, because they never do.
Anyone know why they can’t be charged with trespassing and removed? Article says the school and land are privately owned now, but surely unless the actual owner is physically there or has given permission it’s a very clear case of trespassing? Especially when they’re asking for plumbers and other tradespeople to come and trying to set something up long-term.
This lady is certified. I looked her up on wiki, and find this bit of drama hilarious:
Though Didulo did not initially explain the basis for her claim to be the Monarch of Canada, she later clarified that she had been “appointed” to that position by an American named David J. Carlson, purportedly the “Commander-In-Chief” and “King” of the United States. Didulo claims that Carlson appointed her after she led in 2017 a mission against the Chinese communist military, who were allegedly occupying Canada in underground tunnels, where they were producing adrenochrome, trafficking humans and planning to start World War III by attacking the United States
Awhile later this happens:
In 2022, David Carlson, whom Didulo claims appointed her as Monarch of Canada, ended their partnership by denouncing Didulo’s behavior and endorsing a former follower of Didulo who now claims to be the true Canadian “Queen”. Didulo responded by suggesting that the person posing online as Carlson may be a clone.
If they are fishing vessels, then Naval vessels can board them. If they fight back, then they’re pirates. The ancient laws against sea piracy in most countries still stand: death.
A better way is to loosen the hose clamp at the brake booster, which creates a vacuum leak and makes the engine run like shit. It does no harm to the engine so you can’t be charged if caught.
I know this because I’ve done it (and used to be a mechanic). :)
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