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gianni ,

I wouldn’t mind leaving a lot of Earth’s natural beauty alone, as much as SpaceX’s mission doesn’t resonate with me very much

akincisor ,

Me (a sysadmin): We need an off-site backup. Preferably in a completely different “availability zone”.

UnfortunateShort ,

I love the thought of being one of the only programmers on Mars. Being able to say: “I’m gonna do it my way. What are you gonna do, travel to Mars?”, when some comes up with a stupid request, would be absolutely priceless.

son_named_bort ,

The poor moon, it gets skipped over. Doesn’t it deserve to be colonized too? Maybe we could put an amusement park there or something.

Maltese_Liquor ,

Ooh! It could have animatronics that sing songs about what it was like being a whaler on the moon!

Oiconomia OP ,

Or farming space beetles on the half of the planet your family owns

olafurp ,

That’s Kirkjufell in Iceland

DragonTypeWyvern ,

You could have just slapped any combination of letters together in that name as long as there’s a J and I’d still believe this sentence.

ekZepp ,
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

Shhhh!!! 🤫 This the best chance we have to get rid of a bunch of them all at once

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I don’t think anyone deserves to be a space slave to Musk.

RandomVideos , (edited )

What about Elon Musk or other billionaires?

explodicle ,

He deserves a front row seat, like the CEO of OceanGate!

Holzkohlen ,

Nah, he can take his simps. They won’t be missed. Half of thrm are fascists anyways.

Flaky ,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

I don’t think space travel is inherently a bad idea. But I don’t think it’d be the billionaires to get us there, especially not someone like Elon.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

SpaceX is a rocket ship manufacturer, NASA outsourced that like the US military outsources aircraft manufacturing to Boeing or Lockheed Martin.

Elon is not going to/was never going to “get us there” he’s just the guy who owns the company that makes the vehicles. Idk what this huge miscommunication is and how people got to the idea that he’s personally going to be the one who pushes humanity to mars, he doesn’t even have a say in the operations NASA uses his spacecraft for.

spauldo ,

Elon used to say he was going to found a Mars colony. I don’t pay much attention to him so maybe he doesn’t talk about it anymore, but it was a big thing maybe fifteen years ago.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Just talk to get him in the cultural zeitgeist, the man has essentially adopted the philosophy of “no bad press” and just said and done whatever he could to manipulate the market.

Look at Twitter, he didn’t want to buy it, he just said so while he quietly sold the Tesla stock and started claiming Tesla was going downhill. It was a ploy to dumpster Tesla so he could reacquire it at a lower value. At that point he’d claim Tesla is amazing and rocket the stock value again.

That’s why he’s making all these short term cash grab solutions while destroying the long term value of Twitter, he never wanted it in the first place and is just trying to scrape up any dollar he can while it burns down. He’s not dumb, he’s manipulative and willing to commit to massive lies in order to make more money. He’s a sociopath, but he’s good at playing his fanboys like a marionette and it’s been working for him for years.

This idea that he’s just accidentally stumbled into making Tesla and SpaceX into multi billion dollar companies is a fantasy created by people who can’t conceive that someone can be evil and intelligent at the same time. If it was that easy to be a bumbling moron and become a multi billionaire I wouldn’t be middle class.

You don’t become one of the wealthiest people on the globe by being an idiot, you do it by being conniving, exploitative, and having a quick enough wit to see the potential avenues of profit by doing the aforementioned things.

I don’t like Elon, he’s a POS that needs heavy taxation to regulate the industries he’s a part of, but I’m so sick of people on here pretending he’s just somehow accidentally moron’d his way into being richy rich. That doesn’t happen or most of you would be millionaires as well.

jherazob ,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

He very definitely would pull the same shit as the bad guys in Total Recall while pretending he’s a hero

HolyDiver ,

just send all the billionaires to mars and the rest of us will have to learn how to survive without them

Flaky ,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

…Learn?

Peruvian_Skies ,
@Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social avatar

That's a common misspelling of "thrive".

stephen01king ,

What makes you guys think they can’t rule over you from Mars? On the other hand, that would just make them out of reach of any protests or riots and even more immune from consequences.

msage ,

We will just cut off the interplanetary network.

And watch them enjoy the planet they have all to themselves.

It’s not like anyone today protests directly to the billionaires.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

More like Celebrate.

explodicle ,

But without the Galts, our society will fall apart! /s

yoz ,

Lol so true.

FunkyMonk ,

Villia Starlight strikes again.

photonic_sorcerer ,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s not about prime real estate, it’s about increasing the redundancy of humanity’s survival. Two planets are better than one.

MajinBlayze ,

There seems to be a large amount of overlap between people who say things like “It’s hubris to think that humans can change the atmosphere of the earth enough to make a noticeable difference in 400 years” and “we can make Mars inhabitable by humans in 50 years”

Grimy ,

What the fuck, no there isn’t. Are you actually implying most people that are interested in a mars colony are climate change deniers?

Peruvian_Skies ,
@Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social avatar

That seems to be exactly what they're implying.

MajinBlayze , (edited )

More the other way around, I know a surprising amount of climate change deniers that think we need to colonize Mars to save the human race.

I’m not trying to say it can’t or it shouldn’t be done, but it has to be both. We have to find a way to live sustainably and also expand.

photonic_sorcerer ,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s also not about Terraforming! That’s a goal for a few thousand years down the line. For now, just spreading out our habitats is a good idea.

Zoboomafoo ,
@Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world avatar

I could say the same about the opposite position

MajinBlayze ,

What do you mean by opposite position?

That there’s an overlap between people who think “climate change is manmade and requires systematic change to overcome” and also “terraforming Mars is a laudable long term goal, but can’t be done at the expense of the earth”?

Yeah, there’s a lot of overlap there, it’s not particularly hypocritical.

Haus ,
@Haus@kbin.social avatar

While I fundamentally agree, it's inevitable that Earth and Mars would go to war in that scenario.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Why is it inevitable? We don’t even have a colony there let alone a government and you think it would inevitably lead to war?

Put down the sci fi novels for a second.

Jaytreeman ,

In order to colonize mars, having a good space station in orbit would help out immensely. We're talking big enough to stretch out and hold a few hundred people.
The station would need to grow crops and have minor but flexible manufacturing.
At that point, why would you colonize mars vs just make more stations?

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

For real, resource extraction is a big one. Finding ice means they can make, besides water, oxygen and rocket fuel. Not to mention that shelters for radiation are incredibly hard to make without a huge amount of mass, which we cannot efficiently get into orbit without a space elevator. Hence being able to extract it from the location of the colony, say dig into the ground or build thick walls with bricks made from soil, is necessary for long term survival of the inhabitants. I think it is cool that due to these reasons having air balloons over Venus might even be a better option due to it having a protective atmosphere.

Jaytreeman ,

You can make a radiation field by running a large motor that would save you from the solar radiation.
In space you always have access to the sun. A cheap form of power. You need a lot more batteries if you're on the planet.

Venus is a much better idea over mars.

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Didn’t know that it was feasible to create a radiation field by running a large motor. Not that I doubt you, but if you have a source I would be very happy to read more about it.

Jaytreeman ,

I heard about it on one of Isaac Arthur's videos. I can't remember which one, but the analogy he used was that earth's magnetosphere is essentially a big motor created by earth's metal core spinning. (Oversimplified) So you should be able to build a motor that would shield a station

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, and theoretically we could do a lot of shit. Isaac Arthur isnt a scientist he’s a edutainment YouTuber.

Creating our own magnetosphere is a little more complex or we’d have already done it, plus what happens if it fails? Where’s your backup? You just gonna die when it shuts down?

Zoboomafoo ,
@Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world avatar

Creating our own magnetosphere is a little more complex or we’d have already done it

There hasn’t been a need for it until now, thats like expecting people to invent parachutes before aircraft

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

We’ve been to space and understood radiation for decades, we’ve known that any potential lunar colony would need radiation shielding for long term habitation and Mars as well, which as a nation we’ve planned on going to since the Apollo program was still flying.

You’re making a false equivalency here, the aircraft has been around for decades we just don’t have the financial backing in our space program to actually develop the technology. However, I can guarantee you that it’s not as simple as “just make a big electric motor!” Or some enthusiast would have already done it.

Jaytreeman ,

Arthur is literally a scientist.
He also does edutainment

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

Right now, even with water recycling systems, we still have to ship water to the ISS. A planet or moon also offers way more radiation protection by tunneling underground than any spacecraft at this time could provide.

I'd say we go for Deimos and Phobos first and set up mining operations there before spreading to the Martian surface. Their super-low gravity will make shipping materials easier. They essentially are natural space stations, just add infrastructure.

Peruvian_Skies ,
@Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social avatar

Mining is a big reason. And radiation shielding, as others have said.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Space stations don’t produce raw materials, even if they could self sustain their human populations with food grown onboard they’d require the resources of earth to build and expand, so they’re still dependent on Earth.

A space station wouldn’t make anything inherently easier, unless it was attached via space elevator just having a chunk of metal in orbit doesn’t change how much energy you need to get things out of the gravity well.

Jaytreeman ,

You could have resources from asteroids. There's lots of options out there

PopOfAfrica ,

Who cares about human survival without Earth?

Doesn’t sound like a life to me

explodicle ,

Star Trek even without Earth would be pretty nice.

MBM ,

Space colonies are cool but we’re nowhere close to being able to make a self-sustaining colony

vreraan ,

However, Mars has mountains 10 times higher, Deeper and larger canyons. In general it would be suitable for megalophobic scenarios.

Mixel ,
@Mixel@szmer.info avatar

both are not mutually exclusive

imgonnatrythis ,

Yep. People definitely want to colonize the first one. The only thing keeping apartments off that location is strict governmental regulation of space like that. The desire is definitely there though.

miss_brainfart , (edited )
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Okay, but The Planet Crafter is really cool for exactly that reason. You slowly but surely make a barren wasteland livable, it’s extremely rewarding

Edit: I may have misunderstood the intention of this meme, but I still stand behind Planet Crafter being a fun game

jackoneill ,

Meanwhile on earth we are slowly but surely making a livable planet a barren wasteland

For money

For like 400 massive douchebags

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, pretty much. What was the name of that movie? Oh yeah, Elysium. That’s probably what’s going to happen, isn’t it

H2207 ,
@H2207@lemmy.world avatar

Bet Elongated Husk will be the one to build the Elysium.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m all for it. With his ability to fuck things up, he’d actually do us a favour for once

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Let him. Hopefully someone will then hack into Space Force network and nuke it.

H2207 ,
@H2207@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the only way to be sure…

Blackmist ,

Can’t eat the rich if we can’t reach the rich.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

The fuck you think they want spaceships for? Lol

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