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BloodSlut , in Linux interoperability is maturing fast thanks to SteamOS

I was doubtful that the Steam Deck would take off enough for game devs to even make *considerations" to think about any decisions that would improve their game’s compatibility with Proton.

Im really glad I was wrong

dinckelman ,

The absolutely colossal effort from the community is making it possible. Great times are ahead

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Even as a decades long Linux user, I never thought it would sell like it did. And that the editors followed is even more surprising.

I got one early on, even though I really have a hard time using a controller interface for the first time. So I end up not using it as much as I’d like.

dinckelman , in Nexus Mods asking for Stardew Valley players to test new Mod Manager -- Linux Included

I hope this ends up being better, than what Vortex was built to be.

After hearing that one of the primary developers behind Mod Organizer got hired, i was super excited, but Vortex ended up being inferior in… practically every single way. I still wouldn’t recommend it even to brand new people, because the learning curve of MO is considerably lower, than the error fixing curve with the other

ichbinjasokreativ ,

MO also works really nicely on linux too

deathmetal27 ,

Do versions newer than 2.4.4 work properly now? Last I checked (with proton 8.0) the only version that worked was 2.4.4. Newer versions would not load USVFS and your mods don’t get loaded.

sorrybookbroke ,

I’ve personally had no issues with the latest version of MO2 distributed on nexus when modding skyrim

deathmetal27 ,

What Proton/Wine version did you test on?

sorrybookbroke ,

Experimental

deathmetal27 ,

Ohh, I didn’t think of using that. Let me try it out and see if it works.

I use MO2 via SteamTinkerLaunch and IIRC it only installs version 2.4.4.

DarkThoughts ,

https://github.com/rockerbacon/modorganizer2-linux-installer
I definitely had some woes with it and at the moment you also have to source protontricks from a more up to date repo but there's also definitely a lot of room for improvements.

I hope this new app is going to be not as much of a confusing clusterfuck as Vortex. We really need a good native mod manager for Bethesda titles.

loo , in Riot official response about League of Legends on Linux for Vanguard anti cheat
@loo@lemmy.world avatar

My main issue with this blog post is that rather than properly addressing concerns, they make fun of them.

It’s not a rootkit, journalists just spread misinformation for clicks

Why is it not a rootkit, then??

Aux ,

Because journalists.

yggstyle ,

A blog toxic as it’s community? Gasp.

A long while back riot used to be a fun sorta disruptive thing that was pretty healthy overall. It was awkward and fun. That was before it was purchased though. Now riot exists to make money for big china. It isn’t that company anymore. It’s a facade.

You can’t fix it, nor can the employees.

Riot is a skinpuppet that has no autonomy. Unlike the employees though, we have the choice to leave that failing franchise and move on. Rootkits aren’t acceptable and that needs to be the standard. It wasn’t okay when Sony tried it in the name of anti-piracy and it’s still not okay now. No person should be okay with installing a black box with greater admin rights than they have on their own machine. That is not okay. It is security heresy. That blog uses hand waving and bullshit to sell the concept to people that don’t know any better. And honestly? That’s almost just as bad as the rootkit itself.

A rough translation is:

Be a good drone and put the slave collar on. It’s good for you. Don’t ask questions, you don’t need to know why. Just do it. You are the product and you have no rights.

slumberlust ,

I disagree that they went downhill post-purchase. They were shit from the very start when pendragon decided to burn one community to promote his own in the name of capitalism.

yggstyle ,

They had their issues, sure. But most studios will have burned bridges in their wake. Not a hard and fast rule of course.

When I refer to downhill I’m looking directly at the slippery slope that is changing from profit as a target to profit above all else. When you sell a company regardless of who you retain - there will be a value shift as the head drives the body. The existing cracks got worse and new ones formed. People that care the most generally give up, leave, or both and the whole thing falls in on the void left by those support’s absences.

You may be right that a shift in ideal started then. I’m not terribly familiar with the story so I’ll defer to you on that.

KillingTimeItself ,

because on windows it’s not considered a rootkit, it’s consider user obscured feature sets.

jkrtn ,

I guess the difference is in whether or not the victim was complicit with installing spyware in the kernel.

laurelraven ,

If that’s the distinction they’re going with, they don’t actually know what a rootkit is and have no business declaring something is or isn’t one

winety , in Slay the Spire 2 announced, using Godot as its engine

It’s cool to see Godot used for a serious project. The original was made using Java, if I recall correctly.

muhyb ,

Don’t know about Java part but their previous engine was GameMaker 2 I think.

donio ,

Yep, original is Java and uses libGDX. Slay the Spire is mentioned in the showcase.

mox ,

Backpack Battles is another one.

shininghero , in Distros Used for Gaming on Linux, Evolution over Time - November 2023 Edition - Goodbye Manjaro!

Arch takes the majority because SteamOS is based on it. Unfortunately, I don't think there's anything in the data that would allow discerning between those two.

matt1126 ,

From the comments on the video the uploader said that they use ProtonDB which separates steam deck from normal Arch

falsem ,

I think SteamOS doesn't report itself as Arch, but as SteamOS/Holo.

merthyr1831 ,

I’m not sure if that’s the case, since looking at the stats you’d expect SteamOS/Holo to beat a couple of these listings if it was truly being counted separately to Arch

bisby ,

ProtonDB reports PC and Steam Deck separately. So unless the video creator took the PC stats and then added in Steam Deck and just counted SteamOS as Arch themselves, it’s probably just omitted entirely.

Also actually watching the video: Arch was already riding along at 20-21% before 2022. And in some cases dipped down to 19% mid 2022… So after the Steam Deck launched, the Arch numbers went DOWN. So yet another sign that Arch isn’t Arch + SteamOS: this is purely desktop usage.

headmetwall , in Microsoft - keep your filthy hands off Valve, leak shows MSFT would buy Valve

Day 1 of suddenly having the urge to keep an offline and DRM free copy of all my steam games.

reonu ,

The article says Microsoft would like to buy Valve. Of course they do. Valve is actively working against Microsoft’s interests (and we have to thank them for that).

It does not say Gabe Newell has the slightest intention to sell. Because he doesn’t.

headmetwall ,

Yea, but Gabe is not going to be around forever, and any successor leadership might have a different philosophy. And it’s never a bad idea to have a backup.

AceFuzzLord ,

I hope to god he personally takes a someone he wants as his company successor under his wing and mentors them under his ways so that we may not worry as much. That’s if he doesn’t already have one or doesn’t have plans for it.

festus ,

Yeah for a while now I’m been buying games on GOG where possible and keeping an archive of them, because I know at some point every company will eventually let you down.

Privatepower42 ,

@festus @headmetwall how do you make sure that when you load up a gog game that it does not launch the gog launcher? What are the steps?

festus ,

The GOG launcher is optional (I don’t use it). On their website you can download offline installers for every game you own, and these installers don’t require the GOG launcher or any account authentication.

Privatepower42 ,

@festus where is this offline installer, exactly? Link? I just get hit with the gog new launcher option being advertised on the site.

festus ,

…gog.com/…/213148105-How-do-I-download-my-purchas… has as the second option how to download the offline installers.

Privatepower42 ,

@festus nice. So what’s the point of the gog launcher app after this? Anyways, I prefer to use heroic. Much lighter and easier.

festus ,

Honestly I’m not sure - as I said I don’t use it. I know of at least one game that’s “DRM-free” but requires the GOG launcher for multiplayer (No Man’s Sky). That’s fairly controversial and I think the only reason why it’s on GOG is because it came onto GOG back when it was a singleplayer only game.

Privatepower42 ,

@festus do you know why I get this error message using gog on heroic on the Steam Deck?

festus ,

Sorry, unfortunately I don’t use heroic.

XenoStare ,

Did everyone conveniently forget that Steam DRM is the reason why Steam came to prominence, and why it was ever used by any devs in the first place. Yes it’s easily cracked and barely an anti-piracy measure, even admitted by Valve, but it is still DRM.

Privatepower42 ,

@XenoStare @headmetwall that’s right. Steam is a business. They are not really for open source. Open source, is still a business model. It’s not public domain or libre software. Then can always make their stuff closed source at anytime. Just need to gather free work from the community and to elevate its private business. Still, there are articles detailing Valve as anti-consumer. It’s a search bar away.

Norgur , in Riot official response about League of Legends on Linux for Vanguard anti cheat
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

So .. do we have any evidence that rootkits actually decrease the amount of cheating? Like... At all?

fluckx ,

it totally decreases the amount of cheating by a lot. Like the biggest decrease in history. That’s right. It’s huge. /trumpvoice

Also

trust me bro

Norgur ,
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

I wouldn't trust you if you were a valid SSL cert, bro

fluckx ,

Come oooon. I’m google.com. really! Would I lie to you?

Karyoplasma ,

If you’re google.com, then yes. But then that would mean you are not google.com, which would mean you are google.com.

Norgur ,
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

It's a good thing Google isn't based on Athens. That would have amplified the logic bomb tremendously!

Norgur ,
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

Nah, you wouldn't! Sorry, mate!

But... Uh... Do you really need all this credit card data and my banking password to show me more accurate search results? Sounds like a pretty convoluted tech to me... Well, who am I to question Google, right? There you go.

mitchty ,

Prove it with your dnssec record otherwise I shall consider you a liar.

You999 ,

The awnser is a firm no. Cheaters have moved to hardware based cheats with DMA boards. On valorant some cheaters have started exploiting remote play services to use machine vision based aim bots. Neither of those two methods can be detected by a kernel level anti cheat.

joyjoy ,

And now they have more fun working with hardware than software. No needing to reverse engineer the game either since you’re just processing display output and executing inputs on separate hardware like an Arduino or Raspberry Pi

You999 ,

With DMA based cheats I disagree as if you were developing a DMA based cheat you would still need to understand how the game works so you can figure out what memory adresses are for what part of the game.

joyjoy ,

You’re assuming the anti cheat won’t refuse to run if a DMA device is installed.

You999 ,
GlitterInfection ,

Pfft… that’s easy to solve. Just ask them to identify all the fire hydrants.

woelkchen , in A Linux gaming Laptop isn't as crazy as it sounds: Slimbook Hero review
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a 15 inch device, with a 1440p display that refreshes at 165 hertz, with an aluminium chassis, a 13th gen Intel i7 CPU, an RTX 4060 GPU

https://i.imgur.com/hdJi6r9.jpeg

The whole setup makes no sense with Linux in mind and screams of a rebadged Windows notebook. Just go with an AMD-exclusive system, perhaps with an Intel WiFi module.

Amends1782 ,

Agreed with Linux gaming AMD all the way. For laptops if you don’t wanna go dedicated GPU they make some wonderful budget friendly performance APUs (CPU plus GPU like Intel integrated graphics but more capable for light gaming :) IMO of course

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

As far as I can tell, there isn’t a single Linux laptop with an AMD GPU. Admittedly, even in the Windows world AMD laptops are a lot rarer than Nvidia ones, but there are still a few. None of them come with Linux out-of-the-box, though.

a_random_fox ,
@a_random_fox@discuss.tchncs.de avatar
woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Well, then those Linux notebook makers do a crappy job. Radeon is the best supported gaming GPU on Linux as of now. That’s just fact. Any notebook manufacturer would look which vendors Valve uses for Steam Deck and pick whatever is the latest component from that vendor because all the driver improvements made by Valve also benefit the newer, more powerful GPU.

Taking an obvious Windows notebook and just rebadging it isn’t a real Linux notebook anyway. If I were to buy a new notebook, it would be the Framework 16. Sure, there is no option for it to ship with Linux but the DIY edition ships without Windows.

ArtikBanana ,

Framework laptops don’t come with Linux out of the box, but Linux is very nicely supported and tested on them.

sata_andagi ,

Yeah but consider the following: CUDA. I don’t even game that much (and I was okay with older games that can be played on a Ryzen APU) but I had to get a laptop with a 3050 for GPGPU shenanigans. It is definitely a downgrade in terms of Linux compatibility compared to my older laptop (the machine doesn’t go to sleep properly unless you are running Ubuntu 20.04, which I discovered accidentally)

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

CUDA isn’t for games.

jimmy90 ,

I just got an HP omen with a 3070ti and Ubuntu is doing a great job of gaming. It came with windows 11

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Not doing a great job running basic modern desktop environments with Wayland, though, where workarounds are required everywhere to make shoddy Nvidia drivers work. Very recently (I think is was just last week) I’ve read that the developers need to give Nvidia special treatment just to make the cursor work. That’s just fucked up.

A house build on shortcuts and workarounds is not on a strong foundation. It’ll break down on the user at some point.

WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

I have had no problems with my nvidia gpu on wayland for the record, except for the wayland performance hit

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

I’m happy for you that you think that required workarounds implemented by DE developers don’t affect you.

cyberic , in This little machine continues to surprise me
@cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It wasn’t always that way, but I’m glad proton is great now!

mavedustaine OP ,

I only read of the rocky starts, i got mine with the recent steam sale at 10% off for the 64GB. Just need to get it a bigger SSD and I’ll be all set!

Weylandyuta ,

I just picked up the corsairs mp600 1tb and an nvme enclosure to clone my drive for about 130 all together.

BadRS ,

A 1tb microSD card is a pretty good compromise. Its just as fast as ssd storage and significantly easier to install.

TheWildTangler ,

Yeah until you can’t fill up the SD because the boot drive is full of shaders.

256 GB deck should be the baseline tbh, even with an SD card

szczuroarturo ,

From what i know you can put shaders on sd card.

TheWildTangler ,

Technically you can, but anytime the shaders need to update it’ll download the full shader cache back to the boot drive so there’s a lot of back and forth

Rootiest ,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

I would have to disagree that any sdcard is as fast as an SSD.

Maybe a really fast sdcard and a really slow SSD?

Edit: oh maybe that is a steam-deck-specific thing? It’s the SSD connection over USB2 or something?

szczuroarturo ,

No its Just that at some point disk speed provides marginal improvments for most games, especialy since most games were designed with hdd drivers in mind . And sd vs ssd in steam deck are at that point. There are exceptions to that, but they are pretty rare ( alghtough i cant remember one right now but i know i watched one comparison where nvme disk provided actual reasonable benefit compared to sata so i imagine its even bigger with sd card ). So unless you play very specific game a lot that you know benefits from fast disk speed then it dosent really matter that much.

Rootiest ,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

I would think it would at the very least improve loading times?

I wouldn’t call it no difference.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I used Linux before Steam came to Linux, those were the good old days where every game required tinkering in WINE. I actually didn’t have a Steam account until it came to Linux, and then I played only a handful of Linux-native games (Rocket League was one of them).

When Proton came to Steam, a whole new world opened up, and now I can basically assume a game will work and I’ll be right more often than not.

So from my perspective, it wasn’t a rocky start at all, but a gradual widening of my gaming library. I’ve since played a ton more games, so I’ve rewarded Steam for the effort.

Kangie ,

I spent ages thinking that I’d found a title that didn’t work, getting barely double-digit frame rates in the 3D hub area.

And about two months later I realised that what I’d actually done was lock the laptop into low power mode with the CPU and GPU being way underclocked and locked to that regardless of load. One metaphorical switch flip later, 60+ fps.

simple , in Open Source League of Legends remake in the works!

I’m not a game dev, I’m a web dev. I’ve never made anything more complicated game-wise than 2d fishing animation games

Well… At least the dev is honest about it being just for fun… I’ll give it 2 months before it’s a dead project. There is literally no way someone that has zero gamedev experience can remake a multi-million dollar game.

Fubarberry , in How up to date is the Steam Flatpak?
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

Steam downloads its own client updates. It’s very rare for them to need to update the flatpak itself because usually any updates can be accomplished through the built in updater.

million OP ,
@million@lemmy.world avatar

What about mesa drivers and other dependencies like Mangohud?

Fal ,
@Fal@yiffit.net avatar

There’s no way steam packages graphics drivers. That would be crazy, no?

million OP ,
@million@lemmy.world avatar

My understanding is the Mesa driver is userland so Flatpaks can include it. I just assumed Steam would include it for slower moving distros.

I am new to Flatpaks and still trying to understand, any correction is welcome.

Everyday3671 , (edited )

Mesa comes as separate flatpaks which is hidden in the GUI, and is automatically install when you install a flatpak. The system can have multiple versions of the driver installed. When Steam is ready to use a newer Mesa version, it will do it automatically.

Mangohud, on the other hand, is a flatpak you need to install manually via the command line. You should follow the instruction on their Github page for that.

P.S: In case you like a GUI for things. You should install Flatseal, which provide a GUI for configuring flatpaks.

mox ,

Components like that come from separate flatpaks (e.g. the Freedesktop Platform) or the Steam runtime (updated by Steam).

million OP ,
@million@lemmy.world avatar

Makes sense, I was wondering how that worked when I saw some of those in my list. Is that another layer to the flatpak, like a Docker layer or are Flatpaks allowed out of their sandboxes to talk to other Flatpaks?

mox , (edited )

A flatpak can name extensions that are mounted into the running container if they’re installed.

or are Flatpaks allowed out of their sandboxes

Be careful when thinking of flatpaks as sandboxes. What they confine is (by default) up to the maintainer of each flatpak, and most of the ones I have audited are very permissive.

You can mitigate this somewhat by editing the permissions of each flatpak before running it for the first time, with the command line or a GUI like flatseal. But that only goes so far, since some of the permissions are not fine-grained enough to provide meaningful sandboxing while still allowing games to run. (For example, shared memory and network access.) You might also consider creating a second linux account just for games, and logging in to that account’s desktop when installing or running them.

A Flatpak container is better than nothing, and will probably keep you safe from most programming mistakes, but I wouldn’t consider it a security/privacy sandbox by any means. If you want that, a hypervisor-based virtual machine would be better.

Fubarberry , (edited )
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

I’m not sure on the exact details of how it sources mesa, but you can check what version of mesa steam is using by clicking help in steam, and selecting “Steam Runtime Diagnostics”. My flatpak steam install reports that I’m using Mesa 24.0.2-arch1.1, which is the same version I get if I check glxinfo | grep Mesa. I’m assuming that means flatpak Steam is using my system’s mesa.

I do have some versions of Mesa installed through flatpak in the form of freedesktop.Platform packages, but they’re older versions than what was reported from inside steam.

million OP ,
@million@lemmy.world avatar

Great tip. It looks like the Flatpak has a newer version then even Tumbleweed, so that answers my initial question, thanks!

pineapplelover , in Gamedev and linux

I’ve never once touched the logs button until I used linux. Over my time asking for help with anything wrong on my machine I’ve been asked to provide logs, replication steps, what went wrong and what’s supposed to happen. This has trained me to be a good reporter and sometimes these issues help me fix them myself. Thank you Linux community for providing these skills. This isn’t gaming industry specific but even with things like protonvpn, vmware, virtualbox, and stuff on Arch I use.

Owljfien ,

Part of it too is that logging on Windows is just dogshit. No one uses event viewer so it’s not like the end user even knows where to look for logs, and most of the shit in there is like"lol computer crashed and idk why go fuck yourself"

uis OP ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

TIL

uis OP ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Some games have such community, that it treats life as this game. For example community of certain factory optimization simulator was so enlightened, that optimized it and made 30% faster.

kby , in Steam On Linux(1.96%) Usage Spikes To Nearly 2% In July, Larger Marketshare Than Apple macOS(1.84%)

2021202220232024 is the year of the Linux desktop

m3adow ,
@m3adow@feddit.de avatar

When looking at the Steam Linux breakdown, the SteamOS Holo that powers the Steam Deck is now accounting for around 42% of all Linux gamers on Steam.

While the increase is great, it - sadly - doesn’t look like it.

Thaurin ,

Hey, I use the desktop on my Steam Deck all the time for normal computer use!

keenkoon ,

Nah, man. That’s not sad at all for me.

cyberpunk007 ,

2077

sit_up_straight , in Sorry I can't do it.
@sit_up_straight@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

with the issues you’ve had i think it’s perfectly understandable, but I’ll agree with other commenters that arch is not a good choice for a first distro. i recommend trying dual booting windows and a more "beginner " distro like Linux mint or pop_os

kylian0087 ,

the reason why arch gets recommend a lot as a gaming distro is that it is bleeding edge. Their for has very up to date drivers and parches that can help gaming. But with the current state of gaming on Linux this is a bit less of a requirement. most distros are new enough for most games. Exception might be debian LTS or something.

So i totaly agree that choosing something other then arch for gaming is a good option if you are rather new to linux.

smiletolerantly ,

Funny. I just had to downgrade my kernel from 6.8.9 to 6.1 for my main game to work. So much for bleeding edge… 😅

(Not on Arch btw, but still applies)

ticho ,
@ticho@lemmy.world avatar

As a longtime Debian Stable user, I can attest that gaming on it works just fine, whether via Proton or natively.

It was rough at the first half year or so after Steam Linux client launched where system libraries were simply too old and one had to smuggle in libc from Ubuntu, but that got solved by the next Debian release, and it’s been smooth sailing ever since. :)

Of course, I wouldn’t recommend Debian for a gaming system for a newbie. It’s just what I’ve been using as my daily driver for decades, so I did not want to switch to something else just for something as unimportant as gaming.

Anticorp ,

Bleeding edge should still work though. KDE Plasma does not seem ready for Nvidia. They should have a big-ass banner on the wiki that says “this DE will be janky as fuck if you have an Nvidia card”.

kylian0087 ,

I never said bleeding edge wouldn’t work. But bleeding edge comes with its own complications that might not be suited for a newbie

Anticorp ,

I’m saying that it doesn’t work. At least not without some pretty serious bugs. Perhaps there are some magic fixes out there that I haven’t found, or perhaps I have some taboo combination of hardware, but so far I haven’t been able to fix the visual and latency bugs that are present with KDE Plasma and an Nvidia GFX card. I’ve followed the wiki thoroughly, and some instructions on some forum threads, but none of it helped.

Valmond ,

What the hell, he uses Arch as a first checkout linux gaming distro?

Bro, you missed one small but crucial information there just at the beginning of your journey…

savvywolf , in Linux share on Steam bounces back to nearly 2% for March 2024
@savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

Anyone tried FreeBSD? Linux is starting to lose that hipster allure.

A_Random_Idiot ,

the real l33t h4x0rz use TempleOS

_dev_null ,
@_dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz avatar

It’s what my router runs.

gunpachi ,

I have used Freebsd for sometime on my desktop back in 2021. For the most part I had a good experience except that I couldn’t figure out how to connect earphones/mic on the ports on my PC case. I had to plug it directly to my motherboard for Freebsd to detect them. I used an Nvidia card at that time and it also worked very nicely although it had much older drivers than Linux.

I ended up switching back to linux because of 2 reasons -

  1. I have a few BTRFS drives that I use regularly and couldn’t afford to buy some new ones for Freebsd at that time.
  2. I couldn’t play games using steam proton. I don’t know the situation these days, but I’ll surely check it out If it has improved since then.

You should give Freebsd a try, you might like it.

Psythik ,

TIL that FreeBSD is an OS and not just another Distro.

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