Kinda misleading.
First of all, games do not have to be on Steam & launch through Proton to be able to run on Linux. Wine hs gotten extremely good too, even if it may require a bit more tinkering in comparison.
It's also not like this because of the Deck. Proton has been on a good run for several years now, which was very much evident based on the stats on ProtonDB. The Deck helped more with popularity & spread of Linux, rather than actual compatibility.
And those unsupported titles are almost all competitive multiplayer games. Regular multiplayer titles that are mostly PvE focused work usually fine under Linux.
Well, I mean… of course, yeah? They’re a private a corporation, they want to make a profit on anything they do. But the idea is the Steamdeck with Linux on it is worthless if it doesn’t play games, hence why so much money was poured into Proton to make the Steamdeck a desirable and profitable object.
Saying it’s not a good handheld because it will become outdated is like saying every laptop in existence is bad because it will eventually become outdated. You sacrifice upgradeability for portability.
Technology can be upgraded and Valve chooses to make the deck a worst version of handheld. Just look at other handheld, less problem with holding and more gameplay experience. Proton doesn’t solve the linux gaming issue, companies are more willing to lose the Linux platform for protection of their games.
Gaming in Linux shouldn’t become this bad, one company controls the entire reason for the Linux platform, there should have been more if not better ways.
The other handhelds cost more, and usually have worse battery life.
Proton has absolutely solved the chicken and the egg problem. There’s a big enough audience on Steamdeck that many devs of online games have flipped the switch to allow their anti-cheat to work under proton.
there should have been more if not better ways.
Linux gaming was stagnant for over 20 years, what would you have done differently?
The other consoles are built for gaming and offering features that Valve hasn’t even announced for such. Moreover the steam deck being locked in the Steam ecosystem doesn’t help the “solved problems”. One company that is known for greedy developers is in control of Linux Proton.
It’s clear what should have happened, the steam deck shouldn’t have existed. Valve the billionaire company should’ve offered better alternative or find better hardware. We have computers in the size of a credit card and they decided a brick with unnecessary specs with uneven screen size is the best? They clearly didn’t care anything but cheap hardware and software that is free. The steamOS isn’t open source and you people are letting Valve make their money on free software.
The other consoles are built for gaming and offering features that Valve hasn’t even announced for such.
Such as? Also are you implying the Steam Deck wasn’t built for gaming?
Moreover the steam deck being locked in the Steam ecosystem doesn’t help the “solved problems”. One company that is known for greedy developers is in control of Linux Proton.
You do know that you can install any launcher in the Steam Deck, right? Even Tim Sweeney praised this feature and he bad mouths Valve on almost everything.
Also, Proton is open source, anyone can fork and develop it independently of Valve. See “Glorious Eggroll”.
It’s clear what should have happened, the steam deck shouldn’t have existed.
What should have existed then?
Valve the billionaire company should’ve offered better alternative or find better hardware. We have computers in the size of a credit card and they decided a brick with unnecessary specs with uneven screen size is the best?
You’re just nitpicking now. The form factor isn’t ideal but it’s appropriate for running a full fledged PC.
They clearly didn’t care anything but cheap hardware and software that is free. The steamOS isn’t open source and you people are letting Valve make their money on free software.
OK, so what should they have done then. Please enlighten us.
The keyboard is awful, want to type something? You better press on the screen or have physical keyboard. One hand holds the steam deck the other requires touching the screen. Shouldn’t have to come to such annoying conclusions, oh and takes like a good portion of the screen like any android phone. The answer is the deck should not be bigger again the bigger device is the issue not the software offered by another company that only made it for desktop computers. You don’t hear android users complaining about their keyboard.
No you can not install any launcher, MMO games are going to block it. Genshin Impact blocked it, stop with the fake information.
SteamOS is not open source, Proton is a copy of wine. Valve has no business controlling your product but people are okay with it and the whole thing is mess up. A group believes in Corporate than Linux is not the future of Linux gaming.
No there’s nothing appropriate about your entire hand to hold on to brick sized plastic with good chance of breaking the glass. The usb for physical keyboard or mouse is poorly designed as you need it to power the device itself. Making people buy bluetooth devices is just speaking cheap or laziness in the design. You can’t make this stuff up, Valve thought a few extra plastic was too much or something. Oh the controller you know the thing gamers have to play the game. Well can’t recharge and use controllers if you’re using cables and were forced to buy/use bluetooth versions. A lot of batteries are used and throw in the trash because of Valve cheap design.
The “repair kit” is not easy and can break the hardware or system. Oh and Valve clearly never intended to be repaired because the battery and other components are tricky stuck in place. Android batteries and iPhones don’t have such problems but Valve took the cheap way for profit.
What you say isn’t entirely true, just because you can do it doesn’t mean others can. The repair to replace batteries is stick to the hardware. Loosely attached pads that Valve admits they were broken, etc.
Valve is a known liar, we have enough lawsuits where they lied about everything. They lied to AU gov, EU gov, USA gov and user base of TF2. You can not trust them with something like SteamOS becoming Open Source, it’s been a year and refuses to do anything.
Don’t try to think fancy words is better or something magical. Copying a software to only focus on games is still the same function of Wine. Infact Linux users often have better chances at Wine than Proton which disproves it’s a different function.
My point stands has anyone tried to use wireless devices. It’s not fun to randomly get problems that Linux can’t fix. Drivers for the devices are not good enough to be used. Yet you claim there’s nothing wrong with it?!? Oh and we shouldn’t forget how useless it becomes when using portable chargers because unless you’re spending $1000 in a real charger, the average person will have a charger with nearly no speed for depleted batteries. A whole lie people like you claim never happens but science doesn’t care about your own personal opinion.
There’s nothing worth believing or pretending to care about the Steam Deck, stop promoting and protecting the billion dollar company and learn to think for yourself.
Dude no offense but these visual novels/dialogue rpgs all look like something you could throw together in a few hours of Scratch or no-code engines and they all seem like almost exact replicas of each other. I could easily believe this involved 0 coding
Yeah mate Python code for bad copy-paste 2d games is so impressive, that really shows that you can read the low-level code used in things like Proton… LOL what a joke.
Python is literally known for being the easiest and most accessible programming language (that and Lua), EVERYONE can use Python. A game made in a game engine in Python nowadays can barely even be considered code when you compare it to something like C/C++ (which is what’s mainly used in Proton and most other similar types of projects BTW). If you were using it for data science work or something, I could take it seriously, but things like PyGame and RenPy make it so easy that people who haven’t coded in their lives could make what you made in just a few days, or less…
Bottom line is you 100% do NOT know what you’re talking about when it comes to actual software development. Especially since you apparently don’t know what a fork is and just call the open-source development “copying”. You’re spouting a bunch of BS about things you clearly don’t have any knowledge about or experience with and expecting other people to fall for it. It’s insulting you’re trying to act as if toys like extremely simple Python games can even be compared to even somewhat complicated low-level code.
Again with the lies, you think 3D game engines don’t have C++ or something. You are so mad at me for being successful you trying to make other people believe in your fantasy story. Moreover you didn’t even play my games that offered RPG custom code made by me and another guy.
You don’t even know i got banned for making a RPG code for renpy because the creator is a loser who wants pure VN.
Such is you being mad and working to dead at a job. I can take this week off because I own my house and I can do whatever I want. You are nothing to me.
You can’t prove anything and just name calling, it’s just pathetic. I seen better trolling than this. What? Too scared to say mean things after I showed everyone how dumb you sound.
What? I laid out exactly what’s wrong with your logic, renpy can barely even be considered code. It’s easier to use and understand than Scratch. You thinking that making shitty dialogue games with it proves anything at all is sad lol. I could not care if you get 3rd world income from said shitty games, you couldn’t read a lick of real code. Let the adults talk, little guy.
I have nothing to prove to you, you’re the one saying Proton isn’t real software. Burden’s on you, where’s your emulation software? It doesn’t exist, you can’t understand actual software development enough to work on projects like that. But go ahead and continue trying to justify your years wasted doing nothing but making bad ““games”” that are lower than the level of what 9 year olds make, while LARPing as someone even near the level of Steam devs.
You are a delusional, sad little man, and you need professional help. Enough said.
No one said Proton isn’t software, its just a copycat of Proton just like Renpy games are copycats of the original source code. I don’t know why you keep bringing it up, you really are awful at trolling. RPG doesn’t exist in renpy and you think mathematically balanced code is easy enough for people like you. Oh ya almost forgot the game is in android too, not current version of renpy but when 2014 starts out android didn’t exist has a port.
Yes, that’s right im the first of many to have android renpy before google took over. Whatever claim you have is meaningless because HTML wasn’t the way renpy android worked.
It had to be completely coded to android studio. Which let me tell you, requires C at the time.
Too bad you are now dead wrong. Since my android versions are old it just means you can open it up and see the C language or is that too hard for your little brain.
I find it a lot better than the Switch, and I’m guessing the other devices have similar issues. The touchpads are about as good as I could expect for a device of this form factor.
No you can not install any launcher, MMO games are going to block it
You can install pretty much any launcher, but games with anti-cheat are likely not going to work. That’s not a Linux problem, it’s a game problem. Linux has solved the technical issues here as much as it can, and even MP games w/ anti-cheat are starting to work on Linux.
SteamOS is not open source
That depends on your definition of SteamOS. The base is all FOSS, so you can grab the graphic stack, kernel, etc and run with it. The UI Valve has made (I.e. the Steam client) is not FOSS, but that’s true of games as well, so I don’t really see what benefit the end user would have if Steam was FOSS but the games weren’t if they had issues with proprietary software.
If you want, you could even uninstall all the proprietary stuff from a Steam Deck since it’s just a fork of Arch Linux under the hood.
No there’s nothing appropriate about your entire hand to hold on to brick sized plastic with good chance of breaking the glass
Uh, what? I’ve never had anything remotely close to the problem you’ve described. I either hold it with one grip, or I grip it on the back of the device. How am I going to break the glass?
Or are you just complaining about the size? I think it’s fine, it’s a lot more comfortable to use than my Switch, and there’s really not much you can do to get that ergonomics in a smaller package w/o sacrificing screen size.
The usb for physical keyboard or mouse is poorly designed as you need it to power the device itself
Just get a USB hub. If you’re going to use it with keyboard and mouse, you’ll want some kind of dock or hub anyway. Any off-the-shelf hub should work just fine, just get something with enough power passthrough so you can charge while gaming.
A lot of batteries are used and throw in the trash because of Valve cheap design.
What do you mean? I mostly use the built-in controller, and my other controllers can charge just fine through a USB hub. I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.
the battery and other components are tricky stuck in place
Just the battery, and that’s true for pretty much every other small device with a battery. Batteries need to be stable, and the easiest way to do that is to glue it in place. This can absolutely be better, and apparently Valve reduced the amount of glue on the new Steam Deck OLED.
And yes, most Android and iPhones have that exact same problem, phone repair places have been complaining for ages about glued-in batteries. iPhone is even worse in that it pairs a lot of the components to the device, so you need their software to program replacement parts (not sure if it’s available yet, but that was a huge complaint about their repair program). The Steam Deck does no such nonsense, everything is just a standard PCB, though the glue on the battery does suck (again, par for the course for small devices).
Valve took the cheap way for profit
I doubt the Steam Deck is directly profitable. If you look at other devices with similar hardware, they tend to go for at least $100 more than the Deck, and they don’t nearly as much custom software (just an app on Windows).
The consensus in the community is that Steam is investing in SteamOS and Steam Deck in order to sell more games and create a viable alternative to Windows, not to make profit on the hardware. Gabe Newell himself described the price point as “painful”, so I doubt they’re turning much of a profit, if at all.
SteamOS being open source would solve a lot of problems including the keyboard. Users should be allowed to customize their U.I has any Linux operating system. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t.
Again you should not trust Valve for anything. There’s enough lawsuits to prove they lied to everyone. Gabe is part of the list of liars, claiming better Steam Deck and after a year it’s a joke performance.
I’m not sure how this is implemented, but it’s possible it already is FOSS, since it’s probably part of the KDE ecosystem. I’m not sure though, I haven’t bothered to look since the keyboard works really well for me.
As for the UI, users don’t have the ability to customize the Steam client on Linux because that is proprietary, though running Steam doesn’t prevent them from customizing the desktop. The same is true on the Deck, you can customize anything on the desktop you want, you just can’t customize the Steam client.
joke performance
Citation needed. I have not had any issues with performance, and it’s actually exceeded my expectations.
you people are letting Valve make their money on free software.
Making money on free software is absolutely fine. Even GNU, perhaps the most hardcore free software group, has this to say:
You may have paid money to get copies of a free program, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies.
There’s absolutely no problem with Valve profiting from free software, the only obligation is that they share their modifications to any free software they use with their users. Here’s their fork of Proton, and here’s an article about the rest of the software stack they have modified (i.e. they’ve made lots of changes to the graphics stack, as well as various other parts that are important to their use-case.
So it’s not like they’re taking and not giving, it’s a two-way process where they and the community both benefit from using free software.
The other points have been well covered here, I just wanted to point out that making money is not a bad thing.
Valve has not been pulling their weight. Hiring people and letting the community work on Proton isn’t a good thing. GitHub history shows zero work on Valve employees or developers of Proton. Only the community has updated the system not Valve, don’t give credit to lazy cheapskates.
Hiring people and letting the community work on Proton isn’t a good thing
How so? They literally hire people to work on Proton. That’s exactly how FOSS should work as it relates to for-profit companies. Source:
Griffais says the company is also directly paying more than 100 open-source developers to work on the Proton compatibility layer
So they may not be Valve employees, but they’re paid by Valve (I suppose as contractors?), which is essentially the same thing. So it seems they’re throwing money at the problem, and reserving their internal talent to work on the graphics stack.
What you say is true, but I should credit Valve for making many games “just work” when clicking the play button without involving more steps for the user.
I know some time ago, I had to set up a bunch of wineprefixes manually whether it was using Steam or Wine to play a game, but Steam’s automatic management puts it a little bit ahead now in my view. Even though Lutris makes managing it much easier as well compared to before, it’s still a few more steps that some users would get confused or frustrated doing.
Yup, I ran MtG: Arena since public beta on Linux (way before the Steam release) and it was fine. I would have to manually reinstall every update until someone fixed it in the Lutris script, but the installation process was totally fine. I also installed a bunch of games before Steam was even a thing on Linux and they ran just fine in WINE (old PC game Lords of the Realm II, Starcraft & Starcraft 2, and others).
The Deck helped more with popularity & spread of Linux, rather than actual compatibility.
While true, it represents a greater investment by Valve into gaming on Linux. Before the Deck, there was a steady improvement, but great strides were pretty rare. After the Deck, there was a ton of fixes that landed, especially during the 6-12 months leading up to the launch and the year following (i.e. as backorders were being fulfilled). So they absolutely invested more resources when the Deck launched.
And those unsupported titles are almost all competitive multiplayer games. Regular multiplayer titles that are mostly PvE focused work usually fine under Linux.
It’s still hit and miss, but a lot more hit than miss these days. I still run into older games where the Unsupported flag really does apply, but more often than not, Unsupported just means I may need a small tweak to get it to work.
Wife likes modding Sims and already bought some expansions before we moved her to Linux. They actually still add some free content sometimes, so we keep the wifey happy, and hope to almighty Gaben that EA doesn’t fuck things up too bad. Good news is that she knows that when things go wrong, it’s 100% on EA
It still won’t work with Playtron since it also can’t load Windows kernel drivers under Linux.
The only way this could ever happen without also making it work for SteamOS is if they made a deal with Epic to either support user mode anticheat with their OS or to compile and ship ring 0 anticheat with every release of Playtron.
That issue will be true on any linux platform because Epic Games is a nasty company that doesn’t care about consumer friendly practices. How will this device get around that?
Regardless, to say that the Steam Deck is locked down to the steamverse, is such a weird thing to lie about. You can install basically anything on Steam Deck:
Fortnite works (confirmed in beta), both anticheats it uses work, Epic just needs to enable Linux support in the EAC dashboard and ship the library to get EAC to work, and for BattlEYE all that is required is an email. They just don’t care about us.
Is it really worth dealing with Windows’ bullshit to play a native version of a bad competitive shooter from a shitty company, with a controller? It’s not like you can play it offline either.
Is this Lemmy’s version of Reddit’s “pc vs console” I’ve been seeing this a lot lately. Why are you all so obsessed with who plays on what and what their opinions are?
Gonna have to get in line behind consoles first. PC gamers have been around for years, still at the bottom of the list when games get published. So…what’s the point in saying “play on Linux because games also work here” when publishers don’t care?
I decline the premise of the question. No one in the thread leading to your comment said anything remotely similar to “play on Linux because games also work here”.
Well, at least get partity with Windows. It’s unlikely to get Rockstar to launch on PC first, but it might mean more MP games work well on Linux.
All I want is for enough people to use Linux so devs care enough to remove roadblocks for Linux, such as anti-cheat. I don’t expect Linux to overtake Windows or anything, I just want my selection to not be limited just because I’m running Linux.
More like play on Linux because windows gets more bugs,bloat, and built in spying every version and if I had the kind of money to afford the whole collection of apple products you inevitably end up with when chosing that path, I would have had kids instead and not been dumped by my ex for being born into a poor family and failing to gain anything from working other than worse health and not even breaking even financially. Linux is free too. Free is my favourite price.
It’s like when you discuss music with a metalhead, it’s not that you just don’t feel anything when you listen to metal, and you don’t consider complex polyrhythms to just be objectively “better” because they’re harder to play. It’s that your music sucks ass and if it’s not the right kind of metal it also sucks ass.
Linux can play most games, but if you like playing games that Linux doesn’t play then those games suck and you shouldn’t want to play them. That’s their perspective.
Why do you want to play Fortnite or CoD warzone? Don’t you know kernel level anticheat is a rOoTkiT?!? (As if they could even define such a thing without resorting to just pointing at shit they don’t like and twisting the definition like a Baptist preacher trying to create theology.)
You can’t win with these types of people, Linux can play games! And if it can’t it’s YOUR FAULT FOR NOT EXCLUSIVELY PLAYING GAMES THAT LINUX CAN PLAY.
Nah, you’re getting too deep into your own feelings. Most threads I’ve seen where people start talking about Linux as a viable gaming option, it’s because some commenter or the OP mentions a problem they’re facing in Windows, which is directly solved or mitigated in Linux. Also, most of the time when people recommend Linux, it comes with warnings like “it has a learning curve” and “not everything works”. The hard line Linux-or-bust types are definitely not the majority.
Also, the very nature of Lemmy means the userbase probably skews towards more techy types who have been using Linux in their professional lives for years and have naturally come to harbor positive feelings for it. That drives the recommendation as well as anything else.
Whatever you say, I’ve literally had people ask me “why do you play insert game here?” When I tell them why I haven’t completely gotten off windows. It’s happened multiple times. I’m not getting in my feelings, some of you guys are just insufferable.
I love Fedora on my old gaming laptop and arch/SteamOS kicks ass on deck, but I’m not giving up my main game that I play for socializing with my friends just because the FOSS community assigns themselves moral superiority for not being on Windows.
I just want more games to work on Linux, and more marketshare gets devs interested. I don’t care what specific people use, just that enough use Linux to grow marketshare.
Use what you want, but I’ll encourage anyone who is interested to give it a try.
My only problem with reporting bugs in a game, despite knowing how to report a bug and playing a lotta games, is that I don’t always have the knowledge a thing happening is a bug and not the intended design. It’s not like I, as a regular every day player, have insight into what was supposed to happen that would indicate a bug.
Obviously a bug like my guy doesn’t jump despite pressing the jump button is pretty easy to recognize. But how am I to know the damage calculation is fucked up when I’m not told what the formula is supposed to be?
I remember when Elite Dangerous was still in beta, there was a bug where System Authority Vessels would label you a criminal upon attacking verified out-of-system bounties on the victim and attack you. So many players thought that was intended, like there was a “corrupt cop” system in the game until it was actually fixed. 🤦♂️
I really liked the idea that could be a possibility; unfortunately the fact that firing back at the “corrupt” cops just increased your bounty, which is what showed me that it wasn’t intended.
“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.”
If it looks like a duck, swims like a dog and barks like a dog but I am still telling you it is a plain old duck, there is a miscommunication between me as a game developer and you as the player.
Yeah, there is some hope for as long as Valve isn’t publicly traded. It’s investors that push companies to care only for short term gains.
Valve is not saintly, they have their own sketchy aspects like how they profit over that cosmetics trading market, but releasing the Steam Deck shows they are still thinking of the long term future of PC gaming.
I think valve will be okay as long as they have Gabe Newell, since it seems like he really does care about things like linux support. I’m worried what will happen if he ever leaves though
the man is 60 and morbidly obese. even if he never leaves there’s every chance he’ll have sudden health problems. at least he’d have the money for good medical treatment
That doesn’t guarantee much of anything, though, and private companies still have investors that can influence the direction of the company. E.g., a lot of people are wary of Tencent’s influence over Epic or Reddit even though both are private.
Well the thing is … yes Valve has shareholding investors… Only one that matter as far as anyone knows is Gabe Newell. Given it’s private corp, they don’t have to publicly tell what his exact ownership is and I think it is known it isn’t anymore 100% unlike at some point. However all “as far as we know” indications are, Gabe Newell maintains 50%+ controlling shareholding. Rest of the shareholders as people understand are employees and ex employees, who got private shares as part of compensation packages.
We don’t have actual look at the books, but Valve people have on multiple occasion said “Valve doesn’t have external investors”. Given it was public official comments by official people, I would think they wouldn’t lie about it. So there is no external VCs or share external investor investors.
Gabe pretty much has probably pretty universal control only limited by business regulation and maybe whatever clauses the corporate charter has. However since he was at one point sole owner, I doubt it contains anything too much curtailing him. Since the way any other people have gotten shares is by Gabe agreeing to give them or sell them to people in the first place.
As far as I understand at no point has Valve been cash strapped such as to need to ask for external investors. Since it is company founded by two early ex-Microsoft people who had made decently money at Microsoft already before Founding Valve. Gabe ended as sole owner as the other founding owner decided to leave the business and Gabe bought him out.
One person being the majority shareholder doesn’t stop people from worrying, though. Epic is majority owned by its founder like Valve is, but everybody still points to the minority investors and says, “What about their influence?”
In any case, my point is more that just being private isn’t some kinda of magic bullet to forever avoiding outside influence. It’s possible that, eventually, the other 49% not controlled by Gabe have sold out to Tencent and they’re in the same position as a lot of other companies with outside investors holding just under the majority.
It already played great on the Deck (Denuvo hasn’t been a problem for Wine/Proton for several years), but the removal of DRM is always a win in my book.
I’d like to see this trend of publishers stripping it out of their games after a couple years continue.
Why wait a few years and not avoid it completely? I doubt there’s any reliable data that confirms a significant loss in sales if they launched without Denuvo and its ilk. DRM is at best useless and at worst “harms” customers.
I don’t think that astroturfers claiming to be pirates who “gave in and bought the game because of the DRM” is what people have in mind when they say reliable data.
Sure I don’t deny that those people actually exist but I do also know that there is an incentive to push that narrative because they are spending money or time (in the case of In-House DRM) on implementing these measures so they got to make it seem as worthwhile as possible (especially in the case of publicly traded companies with shareholders).
I doubt there’s any reliable data that confirms a significant loss in sales if they launched without Denuvo and its ilk.
There’s no publicly available hard data one way or the other. However the fact that publishers continue to use it while abandoning other forms of DRM suggests that there is probably some benefit.
I don’t really buy the argument that the only people who pirate content are people who would never pay for it to begin with. I know too many fellow software engineers that make comfy 6-figure salaries and pirate everything they can and spend money when it’s the only option.
There is definitely a benifit, it just doesn’t necessarily have to be for the bottom line. If you are running a major publisher you are likely spending public shareholders money or executive partners money (with some skin in the game yourself) on these games.
At the very least based on the consistency some publishers use Drm we know getting Drm buys piece of mind/job security that whoever is managing the project is doing something to prevent shrink/theft.
It’s like the ad line goes, nobody ever gets fired for buying an IBM.
There is safety in doing the best practice or industry standard.
That all said, it’s entirely possible there is hard data out there that strongly suggests there is a cost benifit too it, and it’s just not public data.
I was not thinking about the business side but rather about what the customer gets out of it. What bothers me about DRM systems is that they cause problems that you don’t have with pirated game, which is the opposite of how it should be. I don’t want to struggle to get a game running, when the pirated version does not caus those problems. That being said, I haven’t bought any large AAA title in years and my experience is from 7+ years ago. Maybe things have changed but I kinda doubt it.
I think this is why Denuvo has been successful. Where old DRM solutions got up in your face with onerous installation procedures, installing borderline rootkits, and ridiculous activation limits, Denuvo is essentially invisible to the end-user. It’s not ideal, but if developers are going to insist on shipping DRM I’ll take this over what we used to deal with any day of the week.
You can’t really measure the proportion of players that would buy the game were they not able to pirate it, which makes it easy for CEOs to imagine every incidence of piracy as a lost sale. Who’s going to convince them they put the cart before the horse? It absolves them of direct responsibility for almost any shortcoming possible
I am pretty sure that when Denovo pricing leaked a while ago, we learned that keeping Denovo in a game is way more expensive the longer you keep it (yes, it’s basically a subscription service for game publishers)
Denovo is really only designed for early sales, and it accomplishes that pretty well.
Stop caring about native. It seriously just doesn’t matter anymore.
XIV Launcher is the easiest way to get FF XIV running, plus it can link to your phone to almost automatically handle OTP (no typing it in, your phone just sends the code over your local network), but you could also just install the trial inside Steam, should work fine.
Copypasta time. “Did you know that the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV has a free trial, and includes the entirety of A Realm Reborn AND the award-winning Heavensward and Stormblood expansions up to level 70 with no restrictions on playtime? Sign up, and enjoy Eorzea today!”
Gaben is also an FF XIV player, and Proton always gets a hotfix like a day after anything breaks (usually it’s the launcher).
If bans from playing on Linux (or at least the deck) were common there’d be a lot more info about it like there is for other games. Just don’t cheat or use sketchy mods. I’ve only played on Linux (all AMD tbf, both desktop and steam deck, so the drivers are good) and have never had a problem.
Then why make the distinction when A can often be B? People like to paint a picture of the little guy being bullied by the big guy into making a decision that players didn’t like, but we’ve seen plenty of times that developers will be the ones making the decisions we didn’t like. If there’s an incentive to do the bad thing, developers will do it without being told to.
That’s a strawman argument, sorry. You’re arguing as if all developers are publishers. You just said it “A can often be B,” but A is not always B.
Publishers do this bullshit. Period. And in small shops, developers are the publishers, sure. But when they make those decisions, they don’t make them in their roles of developers. They do so in their roles of publishers. And also, not all publishers and not all developers-turned-publishers are dicks.
But I understand what you’re saying. When they are dicks, they are dicks.
Developers can and have made this decision on their own even when they’ve got a publisher, because publishing deals come in all sizes, and online connection requirements that inevitably lead to a game’s death are pervasive in the industry right now.
No, not really. You just said it, man. “Publishing deals come in all sizes.” Publishing. Publishing. So, it’s the publishers who make those decisions. Not developers. That developers must accept them is one thing. But the publishers made the decision.
*Publishers? Shareholders are the problem.*If any involved can make a change then we should do that. I can’t talk of publishers but I can speak dev.
If many of us refused towrite code unless it will be shared under an open source/free software license then publushers would have no choice but to let people self host. Sadly school doesn’t appear to teach programmers ethics of software, specifically flsoftware freedomn
University. Cyberethics is a required course where I graduated from, and it goes deep into open source licensing and the free software movement. I can tell you from experience presenting on open source licensing and the free software movement during that class that almost no one in the class gave a shit about it. It was quite sad to see so many people uninterested in a topic I’m so passionate about, especially because these are the types of people who would go on to be my coworkers.
The fact of the matter is that most people (including programmers) will never care about it, simply because they refuse to understand how important it is or how they can make money from it. It seems to me that people just want to conform to the systems that already exist (copyright and proprietary software) instead of challenging and changing the way we view, write, and interact with software.
But of course, that only really applies to students who graduate with a Bachelor’s in CS, and likely doesn’t apply to every university. The layperson still has absolutely no idea what “open source” even means or why it is important. In fact, the layperson is often brainwashed into thinking that the best thing for enterprises is the best thing for them, so in all likelihood most people would rather fight for copyright than against it, even if they had been informed on open source licensing and the free software movement. US businesses do a damn good job of brainwashing their consumers into echoing their views.
Now that you mention it, that is the same logo as the SBC manufacturer. I though Orange Pi was just the name of the SBC but it appears to be both. Still confusing, given the clear reference in the company name, but I digress.
Going with #HoloISO doesn't seem like it would make much sense to me. As far as I understand it is something like an unauthorized derivative of #SteamOS so you'd be putting yourself at Valve's whims without Valve okaying it and no voice at all in the development process.
I like getting the dev team of an open distro involved, I guess #ChimeraOS might have been better if they fit that description as well though.
ChimeraOS is basically a totally hardware-agnostic version of SteamOS, though instead of forking SteamOS it’s more like a re-implementation of it from an Arch base.
Many steam games don’t even have DRM and most games only require Steam to be present and not necessarily online.
The company as a whole is very stable and doesn’t perform any overly wild anti user behaviour. And they’re big supporters and developers of Linux.
If you want to install games that are spyware that’s totally up to you. And I suppose that’s really the point.
Instead of turning into hyper capitalist assholes like every other company, steam just leaves us the fuck alone while providing great great games at great prices. Also no sexual harrassment coverups or buyouts.
Steam just leaves us the fuck alone and let’s you focus purely on the game.
Wine/Proton (Codeweavers and independent contractors). Proton is open source even if it’s mostly Steam specific.
Mesa RADV (Vulkan AMD driver)
The Linux kernel
KDE Plasma
gamescope
HDR/colour management
That’s just off the top of my head. I’ll admit that some of this work comes from 1 or 2 single paid developers that have their hands in many things, but that’s not a bad thing.
It’s a double edged sword. The channels are bridged across to Matrix, and the poll ran in multiple places, but 90%+ of the player community are on Discord.
I’ll never understand why certain people don’t like this message. I use Discord every day, and have been for years, but I still hate it. Other than the fact they collect so much data and does god knows what with it, I despise the fact that SO many communities rely on it for things like support, instead of using publicly accessible websites and forums. I don’t want to go through my list of servers to find one to leave so I can join yours just to find the answer to a simple question, or to be involved in the decision making process.
I use it too when I need to talk to people. It’s a good tool, but it is absolutely nothing else positive. I would love a better tool to come and replace it.
Why people have decided to keep information I used to be able to freely search for there is unfathomable to me.
are you me? Cause I was confused as fuck cause i could not remember making this post.
Cause I’ve been saying the same exact shit.
Discord is fine for friday night fuckaround with your gaming friends.
it is not a repository of information, and shouldnt be treated as such, because it can not be indexed and archived… So the overwhelming bulk of people that need that information will never find it, and that information will be lost when the discord disappears.
same reason it shouldnt be used as a support system.
And Vanguard is already being bypassed by using external tools. IIRC I saw a video about it where the cheater had the hack running on a completely separate computer.
The number would be higher too, I doubt I was the only one who stopped playing months ago when Vanguard was supposedly going to be implemented imminently.
Fun fact: you could get an account locked in under an hour if you used a command line to close the league client. Not powershell - just good ol cmd. No reports needed. Reproduced it 4 times in 2 days… Lots of fun emails with initially the support teams and then the devs. Apparently “taskkill” is the most nefarious cheat known to the gaming industry.
A grade schooler with a “learn programming in 24 hours” book could probably produce better cheat detection.
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