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NeoNachtwaechter ,

Nah… vim users fight emacs users, but not nano users. Wrong league. We do not beat little children ;)

skittlebrau ,

Nano is more like fast food. It’s easy and convenient, but it makes you feel a little guilty and dirty afterwards.

sping ,

And yet Emacs users don’t fight vim users. Emacs users decided vim’s interface was pretty cool and added it to Emacs. Somehow people still call it a war though.

kata1yst ,

Bruh 😂 the Emacs user community absolutely constantly shit on Vim users. When they added Vi(m) bindings they literally named it ‘evil mode’, and they constantly make fun of people who use it, and spacemacs, and the latest flavor of (neo)vi(m), and all the extensions necessary to make vim halfway useful as an ide, etc etc etc.

amw3i7dwgoblinlabs ,
@amw3i7dwgoblinlabs@lemmy.world avatar

Evil or the extensible vi layer is super popular and improves the one area that emacs was lacking i prefer the emacs keybinds but have never seen peeps chat shit about it

MidsizedSedan ,

I once fixed my bashrc file with libreoffice

deuleb_biezelbob ,
@deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev avatar

calm down satan

voracitude ,

I regularly fix my bashrc file with Notepad. I run it in Wine because I cbf to RealVNC from my Windows CE media server.

(n.b: None of this is real, I wrote it to upset people, I’m sorry)

riodoro1 ,

Well let me upset you.

Ive been helping my coworker on a call and he was sharing his screen. I told him to edit a file (add a line) on a linux box we develop and he copied the file to his windows host with winscp, edited it in notepad and copied it back. I fantasize about killing him ever since.

voracitude ,

That’s crazy! At my job, I just help our users. I don’t have to build (and then maintain) infrastructure with them.

SexualPolytope ,
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I prefer Office 365 online.

FMT99 ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a3d98d02-b3e0-45fb-a7c5-871d12f19fee.png

mariusafa ,

Vscode is malware

sunbunman ,

VScodium is FOSS though

fluxion ,

IME?

gigachad ,

Integrated Mevelopment Environment. You should have known this

jaybone ,

I’m a meveloper

gigachad ,

MevOps Engineer

jaybone ,

My mate mevops

ObsidianZed ,

tips fedora M’eveloper

socsa ,

The M stands for beefcake

RandomLegend ,
@RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/7eb82203-25f2-4fb4-bd73-8c5573e78134.webp

xeekei ,

Micro, hell yea!

macattack ,

Made the switch as well thanks to the modern key bindings

psycho_driver ,

nano friends rise up!

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Looks like you only got one so far.

ipkpjersi ,

There are dozens of us!

scorp ,

nah you’re wrong

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Why do you all say that? There were no replies when I added mine so that’s why I said what I said.

lemmesay ,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I too use nano.

alias nano=“vi -y”

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

nano gang

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Gross

Lightor ,

They hate’us cause they anus.

ramble81 ,

I’ve come to the conclusion, people who use vim just continue to do so out of a stubborn sense of pride for finally learning the key combinations.

psycho_driver ,

That’s funny, I feel the same way about Excel users.

techwizrd ,

I am faster, more comfortable, and more productive in Vim. I use the same keybindings in all my editors and IDEs. It’s okay for people to have different preferences.

JustAnotherKay ,

In my case it’s not a sense of pride. I can’t use anything other than Vim because I keep accidentally putting random incantations into my word documents.

“There once was a dduuuZQ:q!”

lemmesay ,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

haha, same. do you use vimium as well?

hakunawazo ,

It’s just convenient that it’s pre-installed on many servers.
So I can use it now everywhere with my stubborn sense of pride for finally learning the key combinations.

Theharpyeagle ,

I honestly learned it just because I hated having to change hand position to use a mouse.

Treachery4524 ,

Can you use a mouse in nano? I always just use the arrow keys, or page up/down and home/end

I mostly use vim but I barely use the jkl; to navigate the document.

catshit_dogfart ,

I just use vi

Is that stupid? It’s all I ever bothered to learn, hasn’t failed me yet. Now I’m not some big time linux guru but I’m a sysadmin and regularly find myself elbow deep in a CLI for stuff.

pixelscript ,

I mean, yeah, kind of. In the same way pilots fly planes out of a stubborn sense of pride for knowing what all the flight deck controls do.

bizdelnick ,

Vim (or emacs, or any other advanced text editor) is much easier to use than nano when you need to do something more complex than type couple of lines.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

(…once you learn the bindings)

Jean_le_Flambeur ,

Better? Maybe!

More efficient? Surley!

But easier?! Hell no! Easy means you can use it without a lot of training or studying. It is self explanatory. And there is no way on earth that vim is easier than nano. I don’t need to know anything to use nano I need to check docs for hours before I can even start using vim

bizdelnick ,

It is easier after you learn basics. Learning is not easy, but usage is.

Jean_le_Flambeur ,

Well okay by that logic playing Beethoven in piano is super easy

GammaGames ,

A handful of shortcuts isn’t that hard

Fox ,

Right, it’s remembering them and using them efficiently that’s hard. It’s amusing watching coworkers try to flex in vim and then struggle at the most basic tasks.

socsa ,

This makes it seem like jerking off to MILF porn is hard because there is a learning curve

leisesprecher ,

And how often does that happen in the real world?

VIM may have been a very useful tool 20 or 30 years ago, but today it’s nothing else but a tool for one’s sense of superiority. It’s the vinyl of editors.

If you have to type that much code in a terminal, your infrastructure is outdated. Simple as that.

bizdelnick ,

Every day in my case, except holidays.

leisesprecher ,

…so your infrastructure is outdated.

timbuck2themoon ,

Yes it’s so outdated that mostly every IDE offers usage with its keybindings.

Chewt ,

You seem to believe that people only use the terminal if they HAVE to. I doubt anybody these days HAS to type any amount of code in the terminal, but choose to anyway. Like probably anyone else I have access to modern tools and infrastructure, but I choose to do work in the terminal because I’m more productive there. I use (neo)vim because I like it more than any other text editor I’ve used, and have no problem writing code and debugging in the terminal.

leisesprecher ,

You’re using the terminal, because you’re used to it. It is not the better tool, it’s simply what you happen to know already.

People who argue with productivity because of some key bindings live in the world of the 80s. You don’t just sit there and type code 12h a day, that’s not how modern software development works.

And all those blockheads down voting me are caught up in their weird superiority complex. They are the powerful superhackers, and don’t understand that we are just highly qualified plumbers.

Chewt ,

I’m actually fairly young and wasn’t around in the 80s. I graduated college with a CS degree in the past 5 years, where I was exposed to many different tools and software. What did I come out of that experience with? I like the terminal more than any IDE I had to use in any class.

Now in the real world, we don’t always get to use our favorite tools for every task, obviously. I do need to use other, more enterprise, software from time to time for work. But whenever possible I go to the terminal because I’m faster there, and I can quickly automate things.

I’m not saying the terminal is the best tool for every job, I’m just saying it is the best for ME. Notice I’m also not putting down other tools here. It seems to me like you might be the one with a superiority complex.

leisesprecher ,

No, I’d argue you simply didn’t want to invest in the other tools.

Think about it, you probably spent hours on customizing and automating vim, and then say you’re faster in that. Well, that’s called a habit.

IDE are objectively more powerful and since you can actually see options and navigate quickly, you don’t need to memorize every obscure feature.

All the terminal editor enthusiasts are actively holding us back, because they insist everything outside vim is garbage for enterprise and kiddies.

If your tool of choice is actively hostile to new users for no reason other than “that’s how it’s always been, and thus it’s better”, well then you’re digging a moat to automate your gatekeeping.

Theharpyeagle ,

I actually use VIM bindings in PyCharm, slightly cursed but actually works really well and meshes fairly nicely with the other IDE shortcuts. Being able to use it in any terminal is a nice bonus.

havocpants ,

VIM may have been a very useful tool 20 or 30 years ago, but today it’s nothing else but a tool for one’s sense of superiority. It’s the vinyl of editors.

So, because you don’t understand something, it’s outdated?

If you have to type that much code in a terminal, your infrastructure is outdated. Simple as that.

Ok, I can see you have no idea what you’re talking about.

leisesprecher ,

I understand it very well. And that’s exactly why I’m writing this.

Ok, I can see you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Then say, grandmaster delusion, what purpose does vim serve, where it is actually the best tool? Writing code? Hardly, it’s way too limited and requires a ton of upfront investment and headspace. Writing config files? Hardly, because if you write these by hand, you’re living in the 90s, that’s what Ansible, Terraform etc are for.

You just don’t want to admit, that vim is nothing more than a habit. Muscle memory.

jaybone ,

You noobs. I just use combinations of cat piped to sed to edit my files, which are mainly lisp code.

WrenHavoc ,

Amateur! I write my code down on a piece of paper, scan it in, send it to my computer through email, then make a custom-built AI read the paper and print it in the terminal!

thevoidzero ,

M-x M-c butterfly

sundray ,

Link.

riodoro1 ,

Average vim user: vim is easy.

Also average vim user: literally hours of reading tutorial pages on how to use vim.

barsquid ,

It is easy, though? I cannot even use it correctly. I just know some of the commands and that if you hold down shift it goes backwards.

Voytrekk ,
@Voytrekk@lemmy.world avatar

I’m a vim user and I would say it’s not. It’s very powerful, but only once you become familiar with the commands.

Nano is a better default for the average user because it works in a way most users would expect for a text editor to work.

Telorand ,

Allow me to present to you my Ultimate Guide to Emacs.

thingsiplay ,

The Terminator is not here to kill you, its here to protect you from Emacs (which can change its form to anything).

https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/780de71b-d929-4c95-9b86-0bde3a949be3.webp

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Cmon dude, what’s most likely to be Skynet?

  • Vim: Clearly evil, lightning fast. Relies on vimscript for any interactivity and can barely be used outside of the editor.
  • Emacs: the hippie brain child of some of the brightest minds at the MIT AI lab, funded by military contracts. Slow, but uses a near-universal language that can easily escape the bounds of the editor, (and often does (, and holy shit where did those parentheses come from. (Oh no, it’s becoming self-aware… fly you fools!
thingsiplay ,

Vim: Clearly evil, lightning fast. Relies on vimscript for any interactivity and can barely be used outside of the editor.

I don’t know why you want use Vimscript for anything outside of the editor. But if that your issue, then there is Neovim. It uses Lua instead Vimscript, but what is the benefit of using Lua outside of Vim? That changes nothing.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Lua outside of Vim has huge applications in embedded products. Dude I would kill for Lua. Do you know what we have? Common Lisp. Yeah, it’s great and fancy and all, but try adding that to your CV and applying for an embedded system job.

thingsiplay ,

My point is, then use Lua outside of Vim. What does this have anything to do with the language used in Vim? You can use Vimscript in Vim, and still use Lua outside of Vim. So what’s the problem? It’s not like Lua gets available to you outside of Vim, just because you switch to Neovim. What do I miss here?

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

(it was mostly a joke, but) the skills you acquire tinkering your Vim to your needs using vimscript can’t be used elsewhere, whereas Emacs has the (small) advantage that at least most of one’s elisp skills can be translated to common lisp quite easily (with the joke being that common lisp really isn’t that useful, hence my Lua jealousy rant).

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

It uses Lua instead Vimscript, but what is the benefit of using Lua outside of Vim?

The only other (in fact, the first) place I’ve run into Lua is WoW plugins.

thingsiplay ,

But WoW plugins have nothing to do with Vim. That’s my point. You can use Lua in WoW, while using Vimscript in Vim.

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

I started on Unix systems using Vim, so I find Nano to be the confusing editor. A Vim install is one of the first things I do on a new server.

theshatterstone54 ,

That’s like the picture of a normal dude with Nano, a large Vim dude, a larger buff Emacs dude and an ever larger massive Ed dude.

PotatoesFall ,

eh the emacs folks are just chilling in a corner somewhere. Maybe in the old folks home together with the ed users

escapedgoat ,

Don’t forget the joe user in the corner wearing a trench coat with a bomb strapped to his chest wired to a dead man’s switch.

thingsiplay ,

Ed is like Skynet itself.

pastermil ,

Do people still use ed unironically outside of scripting context?

peto ,

Unironically? Maybe not. But using something ironically is still using it.

unknowing8343 ,

In every post of this kind I am amazed at so many people using nano instead of micro which is SO MUCH BETTER while being the same thing at the same time.

ObsidianZed ,

When you help manage thousands of servers with vim and nano already installed, it’s just faster to use one of those than installing something else nearly ever single time.

I prefer nano for quick edits of small files, but vim for hunting down things in larger files.

unknowing8343 ,

Or you can preinstall micro like you preinstall everything else 😅

ObsidianZed ,

I’m not that high on the totem pole unfortunately

RandomlyRight ,

I’ve discovered it just a few days ago and now use it on all my machines

kuneho ,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

I like nano tho it has some strange shortcuts

kautau ,

micro has some improvements and default shortcuts that are much closer to common GUI text editors

micro-editor.github.io

Varyag ,

oohh that is nice, I think I’ll swap my nano to that.

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