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Jon_Servo ,

Let me introduce a fresh hell: we call them Apex screws.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/763f26cc-5b5e-43c4-b5d3-5e3a410c549f.jpeg

NoSpiritAnimal ,
@NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

No take it back

jtk ,
@jtk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

The “Alpha Male” of screws.

Rolive ,

German engineering?

xavier666 ,

Wonder what gave away…

strawberry ,

nah torx and hex are great

0x4E4F ,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Torx, yes, hex, no.

strawberry ,

what's wrong with hex

bonn2 ,

Tbh 99% of the hate for hex is probably because Allen keys exist, and are included with everything. Those things are just pure hell. Hex is fine if you have proper drivers for it, but a lot of people don’t.

Note: Speaking as someone that lives in America, I’m sure the rest of the world has already solved this.

datelmd5sum ,

Torx is the only screw I buy when I buy screws. All the phillipses and other shit screws I have were included with some other shit I bought.

Opisek ,

Why is that? Do they last longer than Phillips?

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

They can take more torque, don’t cam out when screwing and most importantly can’t be damaged easily by constantly using the screw, unlike Philips which fucks off after second attempt.

Hadriscus ,

I’ve never seen Torx screws on any shelf in France. Perhaps I’m not looking in the right place, but everything is fucking Philips. Everything

jadedwench ,

No thanks. I will stick to my torx and hex, and they better be in metric.

  • Don’t use over or undersized screwdrivers, especially on smaller electronics.
  • Stop torquing while you are still ahead.
  • Be especially careful if the metals are soft.
  • Keep your driver perpendicular. Better drivers can make this easier.
  • Better to back out the screw and try again if it isn’t going in smooth on something threaded. Check for debris and burrs. If you need to apply more pressure, do so carefully.
  • I have found that for small stuff, getting nicer drivers makes a huge difference.

Penta-lobes for some of the small electronics are funny I guess, but they don’t bother me as long as I have a bit for it. Main thing is to understand why some of these different shapes exist.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Torx doesn’t come in standard/metric. It uses an arbitrary system. What’s so “25” about a T25?

jadedwench ,

Ah yes, the head size follows their iso standard for it. The threads, however, can be metric or SAE. You can put a different screw/bolt with whatever head in the same hole, but the threads/diameter can be metric or SAE/imperial.

Gabu ,

Slot screws are the worst of them all…

MIDItheKID ,

I hate slot screws because they are easy to slip out of, and the place that I find them the most is always outlet covers. Like… What the fuck? Why are you gonna put the most easy to slip out of screw next to the most dangerous to slip into hole?!

Gabu ,

What, you don’t like playing with sparklers next to a box of dynamite?

gamermanh ,

I, too, do all of my electrical work without shutting off the breakers. Safety is for losers

MIDItheKID ,

I don’t do electrical work. I’m usually taking the outlet covers off for painting walls. And I like to paint with the lights on.

Ginger666 ,

You obviously haven’t ever worked in construction.

T-20 T-25 T-30

Square heads (Robinson) are used by millwork guys (cabinets)

Hex head are also used a lot

Edit: Also the fucking electrical screws that home depot only sells ONE FUCKING SCREW DRIVER FOR and its in a 3 pack of Milwaukee electricians insulated screwdrivers, it’s ECX 1 and 2

Classy ,

Robinson are great

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Flatheads are awful and you know it.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Flatheads are good for a few specific applications that require the head to have flat contact with the surface but not be tall enough to be something else like a hex or torx, but needing a lot of torque. They suck for everything else.

I_Miss_Daniel ,

Also handy on horrible cheap raised hex bolts when they get stripped. Dremel a slot and you’re done.

xia ,

Specific applications like… prying, poking, scraping, and chiseling.

evergreen , (edited )

There are low profile hex heads that exist for that same purpose though. Pretty much no need nowadays for slotted heads, except at very small scale.

creditCrazy ,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

I actually really like Philips with slot because it’s just a Philips with a slot for when the Philips gets stripped so the two on the bottom right corner are the best in my opinion because if one ether the flat head or the Philips gets stripped you can just grab a ratchet or spanner

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

Which is nice because the Philips always gets stripped.

pelotron ,
@pelotron@midwest.social avatar

“when the Phillips gets stripped”

Boys I think this indicates a problem

Trollception ,

If you have a quality bit and quality fastener it’s quite difficult to cam out a Phillips. The issue is that finding quality bits and fasteners can be difficult and expensive so most people have experience with the homeowner grade which cams out easily without a huge amount of pressure.

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Why not just use a ratchet or spanner then…?

creditCrazy ,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

Because sometimes that might be stripped so you have to use ether the flat head or Philips

Mr_Blott ,

Fuuuuckin hell, I haven’t seen a slotted screw since the 1980s. Philips screws are exclusively for electrical.

Is this yet another way the US has dropped 30 years behind modern countries?

gamermanh ,

They make bad screw heads but the drivers themselves are useful for so many random odd-jobs that you can basically be guaranteed to find a flathead that’ll fit your screw within a few seconds of searching near basically any tools

Because of that many cheaper companies use flats for their screws, though I almost never see it in anything bigger than the little ass plugs we use in doorknobs and electrical socket covers. Once you go bigger than those it’s usually a Phillips/flat combo, or torx if you’re spending some extra cash

Mr_Blott ,

Oh god yeah I still use flat screwdrivers on a daily basis, basically as levers

“Little ass plugs” are called “grub screws” btw 😂

In 30 years you’ll catch up and they’ll all be 2.5mm Allen screws. I do remember them being slotted, it was a massive pain to find a screwdriver that fitted!

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

where are they called slotted, I have only ever heard them called flat.

SaltyIceteaMaker ,
@SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

That’s another american/british English thing

wildbus8979 ,

Whoever drew this deserves eternal damnation!

Sloogs ,

You’ll call a Phillips a Phillips but not a Robertson a Robertson or an Allen an Allen, smh

John_McMurray ,

Those aren’t Robertson, they’re Square, it’s different, Robertson has a taper, square doesn’t.

Skkorm ,

In Canada, all square screws are called Robinson. If you go into a hardware store and ask for square head screws, the worker will correct you and say “the Robinsons are this way”.

It’s just regional.

John_McMurray ,

They are literally two different things, and it’s Robertson, not Robinson. Yes, saying “square” in Canada will get you Robertson, as no one uses Square up north.

PeriodicallyPedantic ,

My boy, you do NOT do Robinson dirty like that.

nxdefiant ,

Square wishing he was as famous as Phillips, sad.

Intralexical ,

“Robinson”!?!

I’m sorry but you’re going to have to hand in your passport.

PeriodicallyPedantic ,

Oh no! I am forever shamed 😭

ThrowawaySobriquet ,

Phillips are for boring fuckin normies who can’t chooch

rugburn ,

Speaking of chooch, anyone know what’s up with AvE?

Ilovethebomb ,

Still a nutter, as far as I know.

rugburn ,

He hasn’t put out a new video in over a month

Ilovethebomb ,

I lost interest in what he had to say after he came out in support of the convoy protests.

Peppycito ,

He always was on about ‘having a laugh in the shop’ and then broke the Cardinal rule, never talk religion or politics at work.

Ilovethebomb ,

Yup. Not what I come to YouTube for at all.

KnightontheSun ,

In one of his last video he was asking for monies for some new project. I’d gather he’s working on that.

I like some of the stuff he does, but his rants during covid made me take a step back. If he stays away from the political garbage, I can still tolerate him, but not enough to give him any money.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Yeah, that was a sad spiral to watch.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Aside from going out of his mind during covid?

Not unlike WranglerStar.

ThrowawaySobriquet ,

I kinda fell out when he started getting Grumpy, but god damn the man could turn a phrase. I miss the shitty tool teardowns

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah, that was his peak. The tool teardowns were interesting.

The Torque Test channel is kinda close in a similar vein, but not quite the same.

ThrowawaySobriquet ,

I’ll have to check them out. If you like teardowns and deep dives on random consumer product engineering, I’d recommend Technology Connections. Dude puts out quality

Ilovethebomb ,

Torque Test are very matter of fact and to the point, a very science and testing based channel.

Well worth watching if you plan on spending money on power tools.

thechadwick ,

Phew… and what a dive that was. What a waste of a channel. I don’t mind the AvE stuff nearly as much as the insufferable persecution complex of WS though.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah, his old US Forest Service videos were entertaining to watch, even if they turned out to be bullshit. But biking it to Portland, armed and scared of downtown was ridiculous. Not to mention his man servant and all the other weird shit he had going on. And even weirder were the traps he was showing tutorials on how to make.

cheeseburger ,
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Had to unsub and strike him from my feed when he started cheering for the “freedom convoy” donkeys a while back. Revealed himself to be a hopelessly stupid and ignorant bumblefuck in my book. Fuck him.

Zink ,

I submit that every screw in the world should be the six lobe slotted. For the stuff that’s not tamper-resistant, anyway.

You have the six lobe for actually building things, because fuck Phillips head screws, and the slot for convenience where you could use anything from a coin to a knife.

Here in the US, certain brands of deck screws for outdoor use are six lobe and they come with the driver bit in the box because everybody has the damn Phillips and flat head screwdrivers! But to be fair, if you have a bunch of tools you probably also have a set of torx drivers.

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