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altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I’m American and even i can agree Robertson are the goat.

Phillips and flat suck. Not enough surface area on Phillips, resulting in stripped screws. And getting centered on flat sucks.

Robertson drive, just pop your driver in and it’s self centering, lots of surface contact to drive, and lots of meat on the head to prevent stripping. Anything more than 4 edges is unnecessary.

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

You are now an honary Canadian.

Ironfacebuster ,

I’m a slotted screw HATER

Everything electrical uses them and it’s a nightmare keeping the screwdriver aligned properly to try and take them out at a good speed

My favorite would be square drive but they always seem to make those out of recycled ham sandwiches or something

dankm ,

Come to Canada, most of our existing stuff is robertson, and only the really cheap new stuff isn’t.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Flatheads are awful and you know it.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Flatheads are good for a few specific applications that require the head to have flat contact with the surface but not be tall enough to be something else like a hex or torx, but needing a lot of torque. They suck for everything else.

I_Miss_Daniel ,

Also handy on horrible cheap raised hex bolts when they get stripped. Dremel a slot and you’re done.

xia ,

Specific applications like… prying, poking, scraping, and chiseling.

evergreen , (edited )

There are low profile hex heads that exist for that same purpose though. Pretty much no need nowadays for slotted heads, except at very small scale.

WhimsicalSofa ,

All IKEA furniture uses Pozidriv (no “e”, it’s a trademark). Not going to say if that’s good or bad, but operating a Pozidriv with a Phillips is always going to be terrible.

nickwitha_k ,

Pozidriv is basically Philips++.

brap ,

There’s a distinct lack of love for pozidrive here. It’s like Phillips but without being shit.

evergreen , (edited )

I agree. The vast majority of people don’t know the difference, and have never used a pozidriv driver with a pozidriv screw. It is a vast improvement imo.

WormFood ,

I worked for an engineering company that used them almost exclusively and now I won’t shut the fuck up about pozidriv l. everyone thinks I’m insane

KuraiWolfGaming ,

Don’t think I’ve ever seen one before.

brap ,

Might be regional? It’s the go-to in the UK for a lot of screws.

bstix ,

Torx and PZ ftw.

Also, I’d like to apologise to the future owner of my house for making several constructions using both in no particular order.

AtHeartEngineer ,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Ahh, Lemmy shit post, makes sense now

OsaErisXero ,

They 100% got me until I saw your post, I was just about ready to start proselytizing for our lord and saivor the Torx bit.

hemko ,

Yeah hex or torx it is. Everything else can burn in hell

Aatube ,

what's wrong with philips + slot

Etterra ,

A lot of those wacky screws exist solely to keep people from randomly messing with them. You have to really go out of your way the get the right tool for the job, and that’s if there even is one.

Like the one-way screws holding together bathroom stalls.

HocEnimVeni , (edited )
@HocEnimVeni@lemmy.world avatar

Those screws can fuck right off. Almost every bathroom stall installed today uses a security torx tip.

Edit: Forgot to clarify, the one way slotted screws can fuck right off.

MIDItheKID ,

Yup, I’ve noticed that spanner screws (the two dots) are usually found on elevator control panels. There is no reason that somebody should be able to open those up with a Swiss army knife.

bl_r ,

It’s funny because I’ve opened those screws on something else using a bit of effort and the scissors on my swiss army knife.

evergreen ,

I’m seeing a lot of people here claiming that the Philips head was originally designed to cam out/strip to prevent a transfer of force sufficient to twist the head off. While I agree this does sound logically plausible, I could find no reference to such features in the original patent: …storage.googleapis.com/…/US2046837.pdf 🤷‍♂️

wjrii ,

Yup. “Cam action” is only mentioned in the context of the wedge shaped driver/bit squishing out any crud that had lodged itself in the screw. The entire idea was self-centering and better engagement between the driver and screw due to the wedging. The fact that it failed more gracefully is a side benefit at most, and more likely just sales fluff to compete against Robertson.

To be fair, I have snapped a few Robertson in my day, certainly higher by percent than the number of Phillips I’ve used, but that’s more than balanced out by the huge number of crappy Phillips heads that have been almost as totally ruined by camming out under fairly normal use with a properly fitted driver.

LordCrom ,

Clutch screw aka the green lantern corp screw

Gabu ,

Slot screws are the worst of them all…

MIDItheKID ,

I hate slot screws because they are easy to slip out of, and the place that I find them the most is always outlet covers. Like… What the fuck? Why are you gonna put the most easy to slip out of screw next to the most dangerous to slip into hole?!

Gabu ,

What, you don’t like playing with sparklers next to a box of dynamite?

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I, too, do all of my electrical work without shutting off the breakers. Safety is for losers

MIDItheKID ,

I don’t do electrical work. I’m usually taking the outlet covers off for painting walls. And I like to paint with the lights on.

Leviathan ,

I’m sorry, calling Robertson “square” is insulting to a superior screw design and fuck you for even pretending it isn’t.

bane_killgrind ,

6 "lobe" is torx too. Nobody calls Allen bolts hexagon either.

Leviathan ,

Just rude, really.

finalarbiter ,

I don’t think I’ve ever heard that fastener called an Allen bolt, just the tool (Allen key). I’ve generally heard them called hex sockets heads. Maybe it’s a regional thing?

LolcatXTREME ,

Allen is a brand name, they’re hex keys/wrenches

bane_killgrind ,

Yeah you are right

LolcatXTREME ,

Positive affirmation 🥰🥰

fayoh ,

Fun fact speaking of regional things, in Swedish they are called “insex” (as in six on the inside)

EddoWagt ,

In Dutch they are called “inbus”, which apparently comes from the German name “Innensechskantschraube Bauer und Schaurte”, where Innensechskantschraube means inside six sided screw and Bauer und Schaurte is the company who patented the screw type.

I have no idea how the name inbus came to be

Olmai ,

Innensechskantschraube Bauer und Schaurte probably

EddoWagt ,

Well yeah but still, who would think of that?

bane_killgrind ,

Germans apparently

EddoWagt ,

But the german name is just innensechskant

bane_killgrind ,

Maybe, I do hear hex a bunch

Rinox ,

Nobody calls Allen bolts hexagon either.

That’s not true when working internationally, since it can have different names in different nations. In Italy is Brugola, in Germany Inbus and in other places it has other names. Everyone understands what a hex key is though

BreadOven ,

Agreed, but I often hear Allen keys referred to as hex keys. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone confused by that though.

Hobbes_Dent ,

It’s a crime against safe screwing to dis Robertson like that.

datelmd5sum ,

Torx is the only screw I buy when I buy screws. All the phillipses and other shit screws I have were included with some other shit I bought.

Opisek ,

Why is that? Do they last longer than Phillips?

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

They can take more torque, don’t cam out when screwing and most importantly can’t be damaged easily by constantly using the screw, unlike Philips which fucks off after second attempt.

Hadriscus ,

I’ve never seen Torx screws on any shelf in France. Perhaps I’m not looking in the right place, but everything is fucking Philips. Everything

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