At least now they admit it happened. Now to convince them that maybe intentionally targeting civilians, raping, and kidnapping people isn’t a good thing that should be celebrated.
Fat chance that will happen with the PLO as it is now. They figured out a long time ago that they get rich from not signing peace deals.
They (officials) never claimed it, it was only 1 journalist who said it, Israel claimed that 40 babies have died some with their head missing and that's true.
What is this insane lie? Not only did the israli officials claim it. They took it so far even JOE BIDEN claimed it. It was a blantant lie the IDF told everyone. Here’s evidence (see it’s not that hard to provide evidence!)
If anything this IDF strategy of: lie about beheaded babies, lie about hostages being dead, lie about tunnels they built, lie about their people dying from IDF fires, will make it really tough to believe anything else they say and discredit any actual war crime happened in October 7.
If they stopped for a day to actually think, and used international pressure to stop hamas fundings and intelligence to actually solve and portect the people we wouldn’t be in the mess.
Yet they caught on their history of lies and make it really hard to believe some of the rape stories that came up.
In fact the more you dig up historical war crime commited by IDF you will see the stories of mass graves, and baby in oven, and underage kids, some are 6 and 7, being arrested and put in prison without any charges and other atrocious acts the world pertend not to happend.
@gedaliyah said there was video evidence, so I’ll settle for that. He hasn’t shared it yet, though, despite getting very angry when someone said there was no proof.
Makes me dubious about there being any proof at all 🤷
Oh wait it’s nothing! No videos no pictures. No evidence aside from someone that supposedly said they witnessed “Khamass raping errbody out there”.
The rape kits? “Don’t work since the bodies are completely burned from all the Hellfire missles the Apache helicopter friendly fired israelis with”. Blame it all on Khamass!
Take your chauvinist, murder fetishistic, terrorist apologia back to infowars. They let you deny murdered babies and attack rape victims with impunity over there.
Even better, get some help, go touch grass. You are sick and need contact with other real life humans.
I, too, am waiting for this ‘video evidence’ of rapes he’s so certain about that he’s willing to call someone “a special kind of disgusting” for claiming there’s no proof.
This video evidence should clear everything up for everyone, unless he was lying.
I just wanted to say thanks for removing the personal attack that ended this post previously! It got reported and I WOULD have removed it, but you did the right thing and removed it yourself.
Yeah since the other commenter above me decidated an entire paragraph to insults towards me (actually, the entire comment is just insulting me there is no substance) I did add an ad-hom but decided it would be better without attacking him personally so I edited it out.
Please don’t remove his comments though I’m waiting for him to respond with evidence.
Can’t you just share the ‘video evidence’ to prove him wrong?
You’re the one who said there was evidence, share it so we can all see without a doubt that you aren’t full of shit. The fact that you’re saying “there’s evidence” then throw a hissy-fit when pressed to show it tells me that there isn’t actually evidence and you’re lying through your teeth.
The easy way to prove me wrong would be to share your evidence. Only a fool would take the word of reddit/lemmy comments at face value.
The burdon of proof lies with the one making claims. They aren’t making any claims. They are only asking for evidence. Would you say the same thing to people questioning the (fake) justifications of war the US used to invade Iraq?
WTF are you talking about? This is an internet forum, not a courtroom. I’m conveying facts that have been widely reported and verified by reputable international news agencies.
Articles, videos, testimony, etc. have already been provided here. If you believe that ALL the evidence presented here is somehow wrong, then feel free to give your reasoning and evidence point by point for all of the journalists, medical professionals, and world leaders being somehow wrong.
Or you can be like the other sick-minded people who have requested to personally see videos of women being raped.
The articles linked in this thread discuss the police, forensics experts, journalists, etc. Who have seen the bodies of women with genital injuries or mutilation. They have seen footage taken from the video the terrorists themselves took and videos from victims. They have testimony from victims. They have statements from the captured Hamas terrorists.
If your first reaction to hearing about a woman being raped is “show me the video or it didn’t happen,” then yes, you are a chauvinist and a sick person. Questioning women who are reporting rape is not “legitimate discussion.” It is victim shaming and empowering sexual assault.
Your first link has zero evidence (as do all your other links) just the generic “someone said they were gang raping, we don’t have any evidence though nor rape kits, just believe us”.
The second link is an edited video with someone that seems to talk in a Pashtun accent over it so I’m assuming that is a Taliban(?) video with random subtitles. Is that video even from this conflict? Your fact-check link says that there seems to be no real evidence, just oral allegations. And we know from the 40 beheaded babies how credible those are. All the women release by Hamas in the last few days don’t seem to be raped that’s for sure.
I’m not going to spend hours debunking every single lie you post. Can you just post a single link with evidence please thanks.
So, all you have are testimonies from people who claim to have seen video evidence?
You haven’t actually seen the evidence yourself? People saying there is video evidence is not the same as there actually being video evidence.
Just say you have people’s testimonies, because that’s all there is.
Unless you can share the actual video evidence instead of just people saying it exists.
It’s funny watching how transparent propagandist tactics are with just a little nudge.
If your first reaction to hearing about a woman being raped is “show me the video or it didn’t happen,” then yes, you are a chauvinist and a sick person. Questioning women who are reporting rape is not “legitimate discussion.” It is victim shaming and empowering sexual assault.
There it is. We’re the bad guys for asking for evidence, he’s not the bad guy for making a grave claim without providing evidence to support it.
Then he lies about the evidence that he said exists and links to a bunch of nonsense as though it proves his point.
You’re the one who said there was video evidence. Why are you getting so mad when people ask you to share it? Because it doesn’t exist and you’re lying.
Want to prove me wrong? Don’t link to a bunch of testimonies claiming they’re videos. Show me the videos themselves. It only takes 1 link.
You can’t do that though because you’re lying. The only way to prove me wrong is to share the video evidence.
I thought Fatah and Hamas were against each other? Fatah certainly lost the vote in Gaza against them. This sounds like some sort of political rewriting of history.
Yes, they did release Palestinians during the ceasefire. Halt arresting Palestinians during the timeperiod was not a ceasefire stipulation, so not sure why it’s brought up.
@altofaltception this is partly what I had envisioned, more eyes on recent settler violence due to the war leading to pressure to hopefully have them dealt with permanently.
That's great! Escalation shouldn't occur by non-state actors and hopefully this will act as a deterrent for civilian violence even if Bibi's administration is unwilling to punish them.
That’s not how visa bans work ‘As a result, the Secretary of State may order U.S. consular officers at U.S. embassies and consulates in these countries to implement visa restrictions on certain categories of visa applicants. These sanctions may remain in place until the Secretary of Homeland Security notifies the Secretary of State that removal cooperation has improved to an acceptable level.’
The names of those sanctions have most likely already been uploaded to the US embassies and consulates in Israel, waiting to be denied if they go and try to get one.
And unfortunately Biden grated visa waivers for Israel earlier this year. Nobody has to apply for a visa so there is no screening process or way to weed these bad actors out.
Saying Israel is biased and untrustworthy isn’t taking a side unless you think Israel can’t be criticized. In which case, I don’t care what you have to say.
Ever notice that during any of these “hostage” exchanges, Israel always has a ready supply of Palestinian “prisoners” to exchange in return? Funny how it’s only one side taking “hostages”.
It’s almost like one side is arresting specific people with handcuffs and eventually pressing actual charges instead of sending in a giant group of people to abduct as many people as possible.
Again, arrested not abducted. They are going to an actual prison with actual charges applied eventually. Whether or not those charges are warranted is up for debate.
Yeah, just like the Israelis word I’m not taking Hamas’ word for shit. They both lie all the time.I like the kid who said they broke his hand while there is hella footage of him using it while being released.
This place removed a link to Shanis body you know that woman who was “arrested” and thrown in the back of a truck and then stripped and spat on. Stop censoring things.
Sure, show me Israel sending waves of people into Palestine shooting every single person that moves, show me a bus stop of elderly Palestinians slaughtered. Show me a grandma being gunned down in her home. Show me Palestinian women bleeding profusely from her vagina tied and shoved into the back of a stolen car by the IDF.
It’s almost like one side is arresting specific people with handcuffs
We call that an apartheid state. Framing laws to specifically target an ethnic group so you can expell and eradicate them. In the US we called them Jim Crow laws.
In the US when you kill random people it’s murder and when you take random people who aren’t breaking any laws and child them captive, then it’s kidnapping.
Alright, that is simply not true. Most of these people are held in “administrative detention” indifinetely and don’t even get to see a judge. When they get to see a judge, they end up in a military court for offences as simple as throwing rocks, and the punishments are disproportionately harsh. The conviction rate of these courts was at around 99.7% a few years ago. Don’t just take it from me, take it from Breaking the silence, an israeli NGO comprised of ex IDF soldiers that served in the occupied territories and are now speaking out.
Dude, throwing stones at people is definitely an arrestable offense. If a group of people started to chuck rocks at me, I’d want them arrested. The fuck?
I never said they were right or just charges just they do in fact get charged or released eventually. They aren’t literal fucking hostages with demands being made. Fucking christ I don’t really like Israel but all you people are dumb as fuck if you really think Hamas captivity is anyway comparable.
These people are prosecuted under military law. Settlers that commit the same or even worse acts of violence are prosecuted under civilian law. This is the first big difference. The second big difference is the harshness with which these people are prosecuted in military courts. Settler crimes are considered to be of civilian nature and thus are simple misdemeanors or felonies. The occupied’s crimes are prosecuted under military law and thus are considered to be a threat of national security often paired up with terrorism charges for what would be a simple misdemeanor under civillian law.
Secondly, you can be kept under administrative detention indifinetely without any charge, even as a minor. That is not justice. That is hostage taking. I say that these people are hostages because first and foremost they haven’t had open, fair trials and secondly Israel convenientelly uses them as leverage whenever they see fit. They are a trading card for the occupying force.
The regime these people are subjected to is a regime of terror. They have no rights. Soldiers do not need a mandate to enter their homes and search them. Soldiers are strictly prohibited from protecting the occupied from settler violence. That is the job of the civil police, which is often controlled by the settlers. Sterile streets (streets where the occupied are not allowed to walk on; that’s exactly what the IDF calls them) are a normal sighting in the occupied territories. The rule of the land for the IDF is to “make their presence felt”. This means playing by no concrete rules, not letting the occupied see the rule book, creating chaos, so that they never know what to expect. These people have been living in a constant state of terror. That is state sponsored terror.
I would say that while definitely not the same you can very well compare the situations these civillians live in, given that an external force is wreaking havoc in their lives in unimaginable ways using terror and abduction.
I’m not reading all that, if you can’t tell the difference between arrest with handcuffs and charges(yes even false charges) vs a massacre and ending up a hostage that’s on you.
I think killing Palestinian children, robbing families of their homes, rounding up and detaining adolescents is doing a pretty good job of that already.
By random people, you mean occupiers that have stolen their land. We cheer the Ukrainians for defending their land from genocidal occupiers. I feel the same towards the Palestinian people.
To add to this, it’s farcical because these people are in Netanyahu’s cabinet.
The chief of Israel’s national police was already on US and Israeli watchlists. He was convicted of terrorism in Israel in 2006. And now he’s in charge of the police, and is arming settlers and encouraging them to violently take the land by force. I’m sure telling him that he can’t visit the Grand Canyon is going to fix this.
They’re probably anonymous because it’d be awkward for Blinken if the culprits have pictures of themselves shaking his hand last weekend.
For those looking for details, Google Itmar Bin Givir and Bezalel Smotrich.
I’d kind of be satisfied with a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders with the settlers just the Jewish minority in the new Palestine. They wanted to fuck around. Let them find out.
Obviously, I don’t really think that’s a good idea. The settlements should be dismantled in an orderly fashion and I’m sure plenty of settlers are sweet gay kids who hate their parents and can’t wait to move to Tel Aviv. But it would be pretty satisfying to see those hyper-nationalist parents hoist with their own petard.
Well, this is pretty much nothing, so that checks out.
It’s about as milquetoast response to actual terrorism and ethnic cleansing as you can get. Years late, no real effect or punishment, won’t apply to a relatively large number who are Israeli-US dual-citizens and thus don’t need visas, etc.
Edit: Oh and Israel has a visa waiver agreement with the US right now so unless that’s suspended it’s absolutely useless because nobody even has to apply for a visa from Israel.
Hamas complained a bunch of times that their soldiers in Northern Gaza were constantly being fired at, and they were having to respond to.. Israel was already in breach of the truce but Hamas kept it up in the effort to have as many of its innocent civilians imprisoned illegally without trial.
Genuinely innocent women in children prisons are being tortured, beaten to death or maimed, are psychologically tortured and had no hope of being released. This whole war is the closest Gaza has gotten in many years to have those innocent civilians released, and Israel is actually arresting as many people as it’s “freeing”, and in some cases is arresting the very same people it let go, months or years after.
As of yet, not a single piece of credible information has been released from Israel to suggest it is targeting Hamas fighters. Hundreds upon hundreds of homes, schools, medical facilities have been destroyed with survivors saying there were no Hamas members nearby. They’ve begun bombing hospitals again as soon as the truce ended, and are saying they want this war to go on for a year. They say they’re using precision targeting to minimise civilian casualties, but all we see from those who are dying are innocent civilians. It’s genuinely pathetic.
If they were able to brutally murder more innocent civilians in one month than Russia has killed in the entirety of its war with Ukraine, then 11 more months is nothing short of annihilation.
This has to be the most barbaric, most inhumane nation on Earth currently, as not only does it have very clear genocidal intentions and outwardly speaks about it, it has the weapons and military capability to do what it wants with the blessings of the US and Western allies.
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