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avidamoeba , to world in IDF spokesman says Hamas can’t be destroyed, drawing retort from PM: ‘That’s war’s goal’
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Well I did not expect Hagari to tell it like it is.

RandomGuy79 , to world in IDF spokesman says Hamas can’t be destroyed, drawing retort from PM: ‘That’s war’s goal’

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  • Linkerbaan OP ,
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    Why is it not surprising an account with a post history vigorously defending voting for Biden is defending israel and spreading blatant antisemitism.

    JimSamtanko , (edited )

    Said the person with a post history of vigorously spreading seemingly nothing but anti-Biden propaganda and misinformation.

    IbnLemmy , to world in IDF spokesman says Hamas can’t be destroyed, drawing retort from PM: ‘That’s war’s goal’

    That’s what most sensible people on earth have been saying, but they have been labrelled as antisemites

    DmMacniel , to world in IDF spokesman says Hamas can’t be destroyed, drawing retort from PM: ‘That’s war’s goal’

    Why is a rear admiral the spokesperson in this matter? Does the IDF uses naval combat in this scenario as well?

    Womble ,

    Israel’s navy is pretty much entirely for the purpose of enforcing a blockade on Gaza, I imagine he is quite familiar with the situation there.

    DmMacniel ,

    I see. Yeah I forgot about the sea Blockade.

    norimee , to world in IDF spokesman says Hamas can’t be destroyed, drawing retort from PM: ‘That’s war’s goal’

    Israel won’t stop until every non-Israeli person in Gaza is eliminated. The Nazis called this “ethnische Säuberung” (ethnic cleansing).

    It’s like abused children grow up to abuse their children the same way. The evil cycle of viciousness and violence.

    These days I am ashamed of Germany again. Our guilt towards the Jewish people blinds us so much, that we even support them doing the same to others as we did to them.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
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    Germany isn’t supporting Jewish people. Germany is still vehemently spreading antisemitism.

    Germany is supporting Zionists.

    norimee ,

    Maybe I wasn’t clear enough in my comment. Of course I don’t mean “The Jewish people” as a complete entity. I mean, Germany is unconditionally and it seems without critical thinking supporting Israel because their guilt towards Jewish people clouds their judgment.

    Because of what we did, we can not show any critic or judgment towards Israel, because that’s “anti-semitic”. Which is a stance, that in my opinion actually harms any effort against anti-semitism.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    No Germany doesn’t care about Jewish people. Their politicians are just in israel’s pocket.

    There is no “collective guilt”. The AfD is rising up and Germany is more worried about sending bombs to kill brown people.

    Linkerbaan OP , to world in IDF spokesman says Hamas can’t be destroyed, drawing retort from PM: ‘That’s war’s goal’
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    IDF saying the thing everyone has been saying before they even started the Genocide

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/89bb0604-d814-450a-b7f9-5f23a681a551.png

    sunzu , to worldnews in Blinken reportedly promised Netanyahu to lift restrictions on US arms shipments

    Imagine US state dept official prioritizing interest of a foreign bad actor over our own national security needs.

    I wonder why Tony would do such a thing?!

    TheOubliette , to worldnews in Blinken reportedly promised Netanyahu to lift restrictions on US arms shipments

    Democrats say: unlimited ethnic cleansing

    FlyingSquid , to world in Al Jazeera denies rumor that hostage was held at employee’s home
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Please stop flagging this thread as misinformation. Whether or not you believe that the Al Jazeera journalist had any responsibility here, the article is about them denying it.

    That is not misinformation. They do deny it.

    goferking0 ,

    This is the articles source

    According to various rumors, some of which have been picked up by Hebrew-language media with varying levels of credulity,

    How is it not?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Because Al Jazeera denies it. That is a fact. If you’re saying that the Times is claiming Al Jazeera denies a rumor the Times started themselves, it does not make it any less factual that Al Jazeera denies it. And the article is about Al Jazeera denying it.

    slurpinderpin , (edited ) to world in Al Jazeera denies rumor that hostage was held at employee’s home

    This is a war criminal and combatant. Not a civilian. I wonder if Hamas is going to also claim him as an innocent civilian killed by the IDF?

    DolphinMath OP ,

    I mean, the Gaza Health Ministry already fails to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants when reporting casualties, so does it really matter what Hamas’ political or military branches claim?

    DolphinMath OP , (edited ) to world in Al Jazeera denies rumor that hostage was held at employee’s home

    Times of Israel – Bias and Credibility

    Bias Rating: Left-Center

    Factual Reporting: High

    Country: Israel

    MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: Moderate

    Media Type: Website

    Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic

    MBFC Credibility Rating: High Credibility

    MediaBiasFactCheck.com: About + Methodology

    Ad Fontes Media Rating: N/A

    By: Gianluca Pacchiani

    Archive: 9 Jun 2024 19:06:44 UTC

    Viking_Hippie , (edited )

    Perfect example of how suspect MBFC is.

    Times of Israel has such immense bias in favor of the IDF and the fascist apartheid regime, and such lax fact checking on the one subject people outside Israel read it for that it’s not AT ALL credible and MBFC, being basically the hobby of a conservative Zionist, rates it left of center and highly factual 🤦

    Eta examples from the “detailed report”:

    minimally loaded language such as this: US envoy suggests world should rethink PA aid after Israeli teen killed by bomb.

    Failed Fact Checks

    None in the Last 5 years

    Both examples of absolutely atrocious levels of bias on the part of MBFC.

    goferking0 ,

    Fox news only being mixed rating is another big reason

    mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/

    DolphinMath OP ,

    Fox News has a mixed score for factual reporting…

    But a “Low Credibility Rating

    goferking0 ,

    Low Credibility Rating

    For the made up rating mbfc makes then puts no reasoning in their actual post.

    MBFC tries to make itself credible then does shit like that where makes it fit what they want. like ranking higher pro Zionist publications

    DolphinMath OP , (edited )

    Want to see a headline from an Israeli source with a stronger bias?

    Arutz Sheva: IDF confirms: Al Jazeera journalist was terrorist who held hostages

    Their ratings from MBFC:

    Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) – Bias and Credibility

    Bias Rating: Right-Center

    Factual Reporting: Mixed

    Country: Israel

    MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: Moderate

    Media Type: TV Station

    Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic

    MBFC Credibility Rating: Medium Credibility

    Viking_Hippie ,

    The bias is strong in the case of TOI. This is extreme bordering on !nottheonion territory.

    And still MBFC rates them center right rather than far right and the factuality “mixed” rather than “low” or “very low”.

    DolphinMath OP , (edited )

    It’s all relative. Want to see something from a further right Israeli source?

    Israel Hayom:

    Report: Former hostage Noa Argamani held captive in Al-Jazeera cameraman’s house

    Their ratings from MBFC:

    Israel Hayom – Bias and Credibility

    Bias Rating: Right

    Factual Reporting: Mixed

    Country: Israel

    MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: Moderate

    Media Type: Newspaper

    Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic

    MBFC Credibility Rating: Medium Credibility

    goferking0 ,

    Al Jazeera journalist was terrorist who held hostages

    My favorite is the only source listed in every article is just IDF, totally credible

    wildbus8979 ,

    And they are subject to military censorship!

    mindlight , to world in Al Jazeera denies rumor that hostage was held at employee’s home

    It’s impossible! Because that would mean that Hamas is hiding among civilians, effectively using them civilians as shields…

    floridaman ,

    Nobody is saying Hamas isn’t using civilians as human shields, they’re just saying that it doesn’t justify bombing civilians…

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    BlameThePeacock ,

    Yes it does.

    You don’t want to die? Don’t let terrorists live in your home. Leave if you have to.

    It’s the same old saying, if you have five terrorists and a civilian at a table, you have six terrorists.

    ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

    How many terrorists have to be at the table? Itamar Ben-Gvir is a convicted terrorist. Should the cabinet adjourn every time a Kehanist or two shows up? Or does it require a 5/6 ratio before guilt by association kicks in?

    ryathal ,

    If you have one nazi…

    DolphinMath OP , (edited )

    Going along with this thought…

    Does the setting matter?

    Like if I allow or invite one terrorist to live with me, is that the same as regularly attending a governmental meeting with one?

    slurpinderpin ,

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  • FlyingSquid ,
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    Don’t let terrorists live in your home. Leave if you have to.

    I’m sure that would have been very easy for the well over 10,000 children who have been killed. Especially the babies.

    I have said this multiple times and I will continue to say it- if you have to kill thousands of children in the name of protecting your nation, maybe your nation isn’t worth protecting.

    DolphinMath OP ,

    if you have to kill thousands of children in the name of protecting your nation, maybe your nation isn’t worth protecting.

    Ironically, nearly every major nation in existence has done this at some point in their history. The world is a fucked up place.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Non-ironically, maybe they aren’t worth protecting either.

    DolphinMath OP ,

    On one hand I can sympathize with that sentiment, on the other hand, I can’t imagine the horrors that would have occurred if the Axis powers had been allowed to conquer the world.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    The Axis Powers that were also killing lots of children and thus not worth protecting?

    DolphinMath OP , (edited )

    I mean, the Allied powers also firebombed civilian population centers, which was absolutely horrific.

    Edit to add sources:

    Hamburg -37,000 civilians

    Dresden ~25,000 civilians

    Tokyo ~100,000 civilians

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not sure what that has to do with my point.

    DolphinMath OP ,

    Ah, mostly that the Allied forces were fighting to protect their own nations, not just against the Axis powers. In doing so, they also caused death and destruction to innocents.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Again, doesn’t change what I said- if you have to kill thousands of children based on the claim that you’re protecting your nation- something the Axis powers themselves did- then maybe your nation isn’t worth protecting.

    DolphinMath OP ,

    if you have to kill thousands of children based on the claim that you’re protecting your nation

    My point is that this was something the Allied powers did as well, and they were the only thing that stopped the Axis powers. The scale and intent could be argued, but even though military conflicts are extremely horrific, I don’t always see a viable alternative.

    To be clear, I’m also not saying that the specifics of the Israel-Palestine conflict are the same as WWII.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    A viable alternative would be a one-world government, but that is the worst thing imaginable to a large number of people.

    As a Star Trek fan, I look forward to it.

    BlameThePeacock ,

    Those kids have parents who are making that choice.

    Every country who has gone to war in the last century has killed children. The US, Canada, the UK, Germany, France, even Australia…

    Civilian casualties are not possible to avoid unless both sides are willing to fight in a completely separate space, and that doesn’t happen in modern warfare.

    bamboo ,

    Hamas isn’t using civilians as human shields. At least, not at scale. Israel and its western co-conspirators manufacture evidence to use to justify the genocide, but none of that evidence is concrete. It’s just intelligence people making baseless claims.

    catloaf ,

    Unless you define “human shields” as “another person within a quarter mile”.

    FlyingSquid , to world in Tens of thousands rally in Tel Aviv to demand hostage deal, denounce government
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Slightly out of date now since Israel has, apparently, accepted the deal Biden’s administration came up with. They’re bitching about it, but they say they have accepted it.

    gedaliyah OP ,
    @gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s great - I hadn’t seen the news yet. Hopefully this one sticks…

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I am trying to remain hopeful.

    TransplantedSconie ,

    Diamond Joe strikes again!

    FlyingSquid ,
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    It will be interesting to see whether or not this gives Biden a boost in the polls. It may be too late for that, but I hope not.

    TransplantedSconie ,

    I don’t put too much faith in polls anymore. The democrats have over performed in every election since 2018.

    He definitely has a thin-ass tightrope to walk with the democratic tent. What easily could be 5 parties are lumped into one because of the two party system.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    Sadly the Republicans used to have some level of mixture as well a few decades ago before all the purity tests started.

    TransplantedSconie ,

    Yep. That was when the Overton Window lurched to the right into fascist-land for them.

    Linkerbaan , (edited )
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    It definitely will. Though many have given up on him already, at least he will be relieved of not being able to go anywhere without Genocide Joe chants.

    In hindsight we can now confidently say that Biden should have stopped this far earlier.

    Now if Biden actually forced a solution such as the two state one the Palestinians are asking for he can definitely get voters back.

    Also last time I checked Benzion Mileikowski still rejects a permanent ceasefire until Hamas is “eradicated”

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    The protest should be held to ensure that the government actually follows through.

    QuarterSwede ,
    @QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, when even your own citizens are crying out for the government to stop they may want to listen. Any use protection as a valid excuse when your citizens are wanting it to end.

    anas ,

    All I’ve been reading is that accepting that ceasefire is out of the question. Any links on this?

    RedditWanderer ,

    An aide said they would agree, nothing has been done yet, and the conditions are not clear.

    For all we know this is israel preparing to blame an aid for a misunderstanding, while they keep killing Palestinians and Biden gets to look good in the media.

    Cognitive_Dissident , to world in Israel won’t end war for deal to free all hostages, PM’s aide said to tell families

    So far as I’m concerned Netanyahu and his government are as bad as the German Nazis of World War 2 who tried to exterminate them. They’re now doing the same things to the Palestinians, while simultaneously swearing up and down that they’re not doing that, but really, who believes them anymore?

    Additionally Netanyahu is a criminal in his own country and is desperately clinging to power so he doesn’t go to prison.

    The real victims here are all the non-combatants on both sides, Palestinian and Israeli both. Hamas are animals who use the people they claim to fight for as human shields, and the Israeli government and military are genocidal assholes who just want to exterminate the Palestinians once and for all and take their land. The best thing that could happen here is that Hamas ceases to exist, Netanyahu, his government, and the elements of their military who are okay with killing Palestinian civilians all go away, and Palestine is declared a free and sovereign country, and this shit never happens again.

    phoenixz , to world in Israel won’t end war for deal to free all hostages, PM’s aide said to tell families

    This war never was about getting hostages released.

    The hostages gave the Israeli government a very nice and convenient excuse to do what they always wanted to do but never could.

    It’s the same as bush with 9/11 invading Iraq even though Osama bin Laden was known not to be there. He literally said he didn’t care about bin Laden, let’s go get Iraq’s oil!

    The Israeli government wants the Palestinian lands and the Palestinians, apparently, all dead or gone. This reminds me of some other very large and sad event in history, the name eludes me for a second…

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