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Fatah official: Oct. 7 is part of our ‘defensive war’ against Israel, Hamas is ‘part of our political and social fabric’

Jibril Rajoub, secretary general of Fatah’s Central Committee, justifies the October 7 massacre by Hamas as an act “in the context of the defensive war our people are waging.”

In a speech he delivers in a meeting with journalists in Kuwait, Rajoub also says that Israel is responsible for causing October 7, due to its “aggression on all the Palestinian lands.”

dangblingus ,

Doing a whole lot of bombing hospitals and refugee camps for a defensive war.

TWeaK ,

I thought Fatah and Hamas were against each other? Fatah certainly lost the vote in Gaza against them. This sounds like some sort of political rewriting of history.

JeffKerman1999 ,

I thought that Hamas killed all the Fatah leaders?

TWeaK ,

All the ones in Gaza maybe? The West Bank wasn’t under their control. I dunno though.

samokosik ,
@samokosik@lemmynsfw.com avatar

Only in gaza, yes

TWeaK ,

Yeah my reading of this was that the Fatah in the West Bank are now saying “We supported Hamas all along!”

samokosik ,
@samokosik@lemmynsfw.com avatar

I am also quite surprised that Fatah supports the party which some years ago tied Fatah members to cars and dragged them across streets.

steventhedev ,

At least now they admit it happened. Now to convince them that maybe intentionally targeting civilians, raping, and kidnapping people isn’t a good thing that should be celebrated.

Fat chance that will happen with the PLO as it is now. They figured out a long time ago that they get rich from not signing peace deals.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The raping thing has no proof at all stop spouting IDF propaganda

Fitik ,

What proof do you want for stuff like that?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Any proof since israel made up every lie that they could. 40 beheaded babies remember?

Fitik ,

They (officials) never claimed it, it was only 1 journalist who said it, Israel claimed that 40 babies have died some with their head missing and that's true.

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

What is this insane lie? Not only did the israli officials claim it. They took it so far even JOE BIDEN claimed it. It was a blantant lie the IDF told everyone. Here’s evidence (see it’s not that hard to provide evidence!)

Babies and toddlers were found with “heads decapitated” in Kfar Aza,

A day AFTER this post CNN reporters started walking it back:

“Yesterday the Israeli Prime Minister’s office said that it had confirmed Hamas beheaded babies & children while we were live on the air. The Israeli government now says today it CANNOT confirm babies were beheaded. I needed to be more careful with my words and I am sorry.,” Sidner wrote Thursday on X.

Doorbook ,

If anything this IDF strategy of: lie about beheaded babies, lie about hostages being dead, lie about tunnels they built, lie about their people dying from IDF fires, will make it really tough to believe anything else they say and discredit any actual war crime happened in October 7.

If they stopped for a day to actually think, and used international pressure to stop hamas fundings and intelligence to actually solve and portect the people we wouldn’t be in the mess.

Yet they caught on their history of lies and make it really hard to believe some of the rape stories that came up.

In fact the more you dig up historical war crime commited by IDF you will see the stories of mass graves, and baby in oven, and underage kids, some are 6 and 7, being arrested and put in prison without any charges and other atrocious acts the world pertend not to happend.

interceder270 ,

“Lie and then call anyone the bad guy for when they ask for evidence.”

We’re seeing it in this very thread.

interceder270 ,

@gedaliyah said there was video evidence, so I’ll settle for that. He hasn’t shared it yet, though, despite getting very angry when someone said there was no proof.

Makes me dubious about there being any proof at all 🤷

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Do you mean other than all the video, physical evidence, and victim testimony? You are a special kind of disgusting.

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Yes those videos of rape right next to the 40 beheaded babies.

timesofisrael.com/police-start-building-oct-7-rap…

Oh wait it’s nothing! No videos no pictures. No evidence aside from someone that supposedly said they witnessed “Khamass raping errbody out there”.

The rape kits? “Don’t work since the bodies are completely burned from all the Hellfire missles the Apache helicopter friendly fired israelis with”. Blame it all on Khamass!

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Take your chauvinist, murder fetishistic, terrorist apologia back to infowars. They let you deny murdered babies and attack rape victims with impunity over there.

Even better, get some help, go touch grass. You are sick and need contact with other real life humans.

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Get off the IDF kool aid and show me some evidence that rape happened. So far I’m seeing zero evidence of any rape yet you keep blabbering about it.

interceder270 ,

I, too, am waiting for this ‘video evidence’ of rapes he’s so certain about that he’s willing to call someone “a special kind of disgusting” for claiming there’s no proof.

This video evidence should clear everything up for everyone, unless he was lying.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I just wanted to say thanks for removing the personal attack that ended this post previously! It got reported and I WOULD have removed it, but you did the right thing and removed it yourself.

Quick reminder to not attack other users.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah since the other commenter above me decidated an entire paragraph to insults towards me (actually, the entire comment is just insulting me there is no substance) I did add an ad-hom but decided it would be better without attacking him personally so I edited it out.

Please don’t remove his comments though I’m waiting for him to respond with evidence.

interceder270 ,

Can’t you just share the ‘video evidence’ to prove him wrong?

You’re the one who said there was evidence, share it so we can all see without a doubt that you aren’t full of shit. The fact that you’re saying “there’s evidence” then throw a hissy-fit when pressed to show it tells me that there isn’t actually evidence and you’re lying through your teeth.

The easy way to prove me wrong would be to share your evidence. Only a fool would take the word of reddit/lemmy comments at face value.

Cethin ,

The burdon of proof lies with the one making claims. They aren’t making any claims. They are only asking for evidence. Would you say the same thing to people questioning the (fake) justifications of war the US used to invade Iraq?

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

WTF are you talking about? This is an internet forum, not a courtroom. I’m conveying facts that have been widely reported and verified by reputable international news agencies.

Articles, videos, testimony, etc. have already been provided here. If you believe that ALL the evidence presented here is somehow wrong, then feel free to give your reasoning and evidence point by point for all of the journalists, medical professionals, and world leaders being somehow wrong.

Or you can be like the other sick-minded people who have requested to personally see videos of women being raped.

interceder270 ,

Where’s the video and physical evidence of rape?

You are a special kind of disgusting.

Here he goes, trying to stifle legitimate discussion because “it’s so obvious nobody should even question what happened.”

Look in a mirror, buddy. You’re behaving just like people on /r/conservative.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

The articles linked in this thread discuss the police, forensics experts, journalists, etc. Who have seen the bodies of women with genital injuries or mutilation. They have seen footage taken from the video the terrorists themselves took and videos from victims. They have testimony from victims. They have statements from the captured Hamas terrorists.

If your first reaction to hearing about a woman being raped is “show me the video or it didn’t happen,” then yes, you are a chauvinist and a sick person. Questioning women who are reporting rape is not “legitimate discussion.” It is victim shaming and empowering sexual assault.

haaretz.com/…/0000018b-b025-d3c1-a39b-bee5ef40000…

x.com/Jaquerie2/status/1712900092837994995?s=20

x.com/angryopinionatd/status/1712209065013580122?…

timesofisrael.com/footage-of-hamas-assault-on-civ…

haaretz.com/…/0000018b-f6bb-dafe-a18f-f7fb0a57000…

washingtonpost.com/…/israel-hamas-rape-sexual-vio…

timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-…

www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/world/…/index.html

factcheck.org/…/what-we-know-about-three-widespre…

bostonglobe.com/…/israeli-women-raped-hamas-attac…

jewishinsider.com/…/israeli-police-women-rape-sex…

newsweek.com/silence-international-bodies-over-ha…

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

A mountain of links and zero evidence!

Your first link has zero evidence (as do all your other links) just the generic “someone said they were gang raping, we don’t have any evidence though nor rape kits, just believe us”.

The second link is an edited video with someone that seems to talk in a Pashtun accent over it so I’m assuming that is a Taliban(?) video with random subtitles. Is that video even from this conflict? Your fact-check link says that there seems to be no real evidence, just oral allegations. And we know from the 40 beheaded babies how credible those are. All the women release by Hamas in the last few days don’t seem to be raped that’s for sure.

I’m not going to spend hours debunking every single lie you post. Can you just post a single link with evidence please thanks.

interceder270 , (edited )

So, all you have are testimonies from people who claim to have seen video evidence?

You haven’t actually seen the evidence yourself? People saying there is video evidence is not the same as there actually being video evidence.

Just say you have people’s testimonies, because that’s all there is.

Unless you can share the actual video evidence instead of just people saying it exists.

It’s funny watching how transparent propagandist tactics are with just a little nudge.

If your first reaction to hearing about a woman being raped is “show me the video or it didn’t happen,” then yes, you are a chauvinist and a sick person. Questioning women who are reporting rape is not “legitimate discussion.” It is victim shaming and empowering sexual assault.

There it is. We’re the bad guys for asking for evidence, he’s not the bad guy for making a grave claim without providing evidence to support it.

Then he lies about the evidence that he said exists and links to a bunch of nonsense as though it proves his point.

You’re the one who said there was video evidence. Why are you getting so mad when people ask you to share it? Because it doesn’t exist and you’re lying.

Want to prove me wrong? Don’t link to a bunch of testimonies claiming they’re videos. Show me the videos themselves. It only takes 1 link.

You can’t do that though because you’re lying. The only way to prove me wrong is to share the video evidence.

anteaters ,

Shows again that Israel’s reaction was completely appropriate.

TokenBoomer ,

15,000

anteaters ,

Regurgitating Hamas’ fantasy numbers is not remotely as impressive as you think it is. Makes you look like a complete tool, actually.

rambaroo ,

You mean the numbers that are widely accepted by independent parties? Nah, you’re the one who sounds like a tool.

anteaters ,

“independent parties” lol

interceder270 ,

You wouldn’t understand that because you’re loyal to your tribe.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Wanna hear a fantasy number? 1400.

Stamau123 OP ,

Rajoub is the head of the Palestinian Football Association, Palestinian Olympic committee, and the Secretary General of the Fatah Central Committee

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