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Titan , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

Bullshit article. Shame on you OP

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  • floofloof , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

    Here’s a fuller account of what was said:

    archive.is/Z9vMg

    (Original URL: washingtonpost.com/…/3-elite-college-presidents-a…)

    fosforus OP ,

    I feel like there’s some weird context here. Why does Stefanik want to get that “yes” and why are they reluctant to say it? Would it be a declaration of some university policy that would lead to suppressing the demonstrations or what?

    deegeese , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

    Calling for Palestinian freedom is not genocide.

    Israeli apartheid policy is genocide.

    fosforus OP ,

    Israel is not apartheid, and it’s obviously not committing genocide. Hamas is for genocide.

    deegeese ,

    The Israeli army bombing refugees is genocide.

    fosforus OP ,

    They are bombing Hamas terrorists, their enemy, not refugees. You must remember that Hamas fighters and civilians look exactly the same, and they deliberately lurk among the civilians. This is obviously not genocide.

    I’ll give you a hint in form of a question that may lead you towards the truth: What happens to the amount of population in a genocide?

    deegeese ,

    Your argument boils down to:

    Those evil terrorists are why the army has no choice but to murder civilians.

    This is “we had to destroy the village to save it” levels of madness.

    fosforus OP ,

    Consider the question, dude. What happens to the population in a genocide?

    taanegl ,

    I’m guessing you’re gonna say that there is no genocide if not all or most of the people are killed, because then their people have survived. But, genocide also incorporates cultural genocide. Today the day definitions are one and the same. Destroying someone’s culture and history also qualities, like during slavery.

    The methods employed in genocide includes the methods of colonialism, persecution, subversion and the destructions of farms, Mosques, churches, hospitals, libraries, monuments, etc. Anything to persecute, harass and destroy someone.

    Take for instance “the gypsies”. A people in diaspora from a nation state that doesn’t exist, roaming Europe forever, with no land to call their own.

    That’s the fate the Israeli state wants for Palestine. It is still technically genocide.

    fosforus OP ,

    I’m guessing you’re gonna say that there is no genocide if not all or most of the people are killed, because then their people have survived. But, genocide also incorporates cultural genocide.

    No, I’m saying that population doesn’t grow during a genocide.

    That’s the fate the Israeli state wants for Palestine. It is still technically genocide.

    But… Palestinian Arabs are >20% of the population of Israel. You’re making absolutely no sense.

    deegeese ,

    It sounds like you’re trying to argue it’s not genocide if Palestinians are still having children, but that just makes it worse.

    fosforus OP ,

    Does it really sound like that? Should you perhaps try to steelman my argument in your head?

    taanegl ,

    Okay, so reign it back.

    Please, in the simplest terms, no allusion, no hints, no inferences, just direct communication.

    What are you trying to say?

    bartolomeo ,
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    Shit, I thought it was satire…

    taanegl ,

    Population indeed doesn’t grow during a genocide.

    Living under the tyranny of those who took your land, destroyed your cultural heritage and then swept your suffering and the death of your loved ones under the rug, using terrorism as some sort of justification? This is something you’ll have to clear with the native Americans and Inuits, even some other nomadic people.

    Like again, I alluded to the Roma people (or Gypsy’s) for a reason. A broken folk, subjected under Romania (even though it has nothing to do with Roma folk), the “gypsies” lost their land in the North of India. Ever since, they’ve wandered as a people without ancestral lands, and that is a huge problem for not only the psyche, but also the culture has been subverted, destroyed and is but a husk of it’s former self.

    This is why the technical definition of genocide has moved beyond body count.

    Umbrias ,

    Clarify your position on this statement you dodged:

    calling for Palestinian freedom is not genocide

    Nacktmull , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

    Just the cheap headline, which is obviously all about framing is enough for me to not read the article.

    fosforus OP ,

    Yup, head in the sand. That works.

    megopie ,

    People are not obligated to engage with obviously shitty rhetoric.

    Nacktmull ,

    I choose what I read based on quality, that´s all.

    marco ,
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    At least the headline is so bad it’s pretty obvious.

    bermuda ,

    if you think Israel is an apartheid state or Ukraine is a nazi state, consider blocking me.

    Source: your bio.

    Doing a lot of putting your head in the sand lately, have we?

    marco ,
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    Ich dachte Nacktmullen spuehren keinen Schmerz?!? 🤣

    Nacktmull ,

    Nackmulle registrieren Schmerz, nehmen ihn aber nicht als unangenehm wahr (: )=

    t3rmit3 , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

    So in other words they understood that they were being called on to condemn antisemitism in order to help reinforce the narrative that these college rallies were antisemitic protests, when in fact they were pro-Palestinian ones.

    Good on them for choosing to side with their students rather than give the anti-Palestinian camp their manufactured “professors condemn antisemitic student rallies” soundbites.

    Refuse to engage with their genocide-backing rhetoric that tries to tie being pro-Palestinian to being antisemitic.

    derbis , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

    I was hoping we weren’t going to have to put up with this propaganda crapola off Reddit. Oh well.

    gus ,

    It’s especially disappointing given the mission statement of beehaw. You know, the one they require every user to read when signing up and write a statement about?

    … we grew increasingly upset with modern social media. Modern social media has become a breeding ground for hate speech, for trolls, and for bad behavior. We don’t want to recreate that environment. We want to explicitly make a nice little corner of the internet where we can hide from racist, sexist, ableist, colonialist, homophobic, transphobic, and other forms of hateful speech.

    Laconic , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

    Zionists call anything short of unconditional support for Israel and it’s far right government an anti-semetic call for genocide of Jews. It’s propaganda.

    HubertManne , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

    I know in one case this is a bs slant. The person said its abhorrant but measures would only be taken if action was taken. IE the speech will not be silenced by the university but actually violence will not be allowed.

    alyaza , to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment
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    this is going to be locked for a variety of reasons:

    1. this is essentially propaganda/an extremely biased opinion piece
    2. it uncritically adopts the framing of Elise Stefanik when she is neither a good faith actor generally, nor asking questions about “calling for the genocide of the Jews” in good faith. it’s very clear she just means “pro-Palestinian demonstrators” when she talks about people “calling for genocide” and that’s stupid.
    3. it’s just not a good article, generally. there are plenty of other, better articles that can be used as a vessel to talk about Israel-Palestine (including ones that have a pro-Israeli voice)
    spider , (edited ) to news in IDF appears to push back on ‘irresponsible’ US claim Hamas refusing to release raped hostages

    irresponsible, inaccurate and should be avoided

    This better describes the IDF’s own aerial bombing campaign.

    The pushback is apparently in response to comments from US State Department spokesman Matthew Miller

    In other words, they’re biting the hand that feeds them.

    paysrenttobirds , to news in IDF appears to push back on ‘irresponsible’ US claim Hamas refusing to release raped hostages

    By itself it is a weird thing to say, like I thought the usual strategy (and apparently the Israelis’) is to publicly assume good behavior so they have something to lose.

    You can say this situation is different, but still the only use for that kind of speculation is to emotionally load support for Israel (which is already high), and it may certainly further endanger the hostages, regardless of gender.

    queermunist , to news in IDF appears to push back on ‘irresponsible’ US claim Hamas refusing to release raped hostages
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    They’re telling on themselves lol

    cogman , to news in IDF appears to push back on ‘irresponsible’ US claim Hamas refusing to release raped hostages

    The whole rape narrative is just a way to push local politicians into unquestioning support of Israel. A way to dehumanize Palestinians by painting with a broad brush. Ironically these “left leaning” outlets pushing this narrative are doing EXACTLY what Trump did by calling Mexicans murderers and rapists.

    masquenox , to news in IDF appears to push back on ‘irresponsible’ US claim Hamas refusing to release raped hostages

    Sooo… the people literally perpetrating genocide is telling their US benefactors to dial back the hysterical propaganda.

    This belongs on !nottheonion.

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