This prompt was blocked by the filter because apparently it’s racist or otherwise problematic to combine a giraffe with pancake syrup. Sorry about that. 0/7
Little Debbie
This is by far my favorite. Would absolutely buy. Perfect score, 5/7.
Every time you hear a buzzing in your ear, or see an eerie glow emanating from the woods, it would help you remember that you need to pick up butter at the store! That’s marketing.
Since Land O’Lakes is a Minnesota company it should be a Minnesota crypted. Minnesota shares mini cryptids with many other locations mothman, Bigfoot, etc.
But if you want to really place it, brand and cryptid… Then Duluth Dogman is perhaps your best option that I am aware of.
This feels like one of those right wing memes that could go either way, but let’s break it down like this Uncle Ben and Aunt Jamima are both domestic servants, do you think that’s an appropriate mascot for a company? Do you think black folks want them as some of their oldest icons?
Land of lakes also has a stereotypically dressed native woman who probably wouldn’t dress like that at all even back in the day.
I get that most people couldn’t give a shit either way but when you use your brain to think about how messed up presumably white owned companies are for using slaves and genocided people as their logos or mascots is pretty fucked.
But hey you’re not here for an insightful discussion, you’re here to get those hate clicks.
Well, the Sun-Maid girl is clearly working a job that’s mostly done by immigrants from the south these days, so using a white woman instead of a brown one denies them representation. But using a brown woman would also be racist because it would perpetuate harmful stereotypes… hm, what to do?
Little Debbie is clearly a child. Do you want children to be exploited for marketing purposes?
At least a Quakers are historically against war and slavery, so I guess he can stay.
As a European (we had slavery, made more wars than you can imagine and have probably the worst history you can’t even imagine) nice try locking people up in “black” vs “white”.
No, I’m just pointing out that “they practiced slavery” isn’t an argument you can just throw at any race or nationality in particular without inflicting massive self-damage. Literally everyone is guilty of it.
haha no. such a huge claim requires substantial evidence - and you left yourself an easy out. Many cultures practiced slavery, true. Most cultures? Maybe an argument could be made. All?
ALL?
That requires substantial evidence there’s absolutely nothing supporting it.
Now I get it, the easiest way to debase your enemy’s righteousness is to drag them down to your level. But you don’t get this one shitbag. Slavery isn’t universal. You just want it to be so it makes you feel better about your premise.
Since you’re the one making the claim that not all cultures have a history of it, I’ll leave it to you to find me a single counterexample of a culture that never practiced it. But even if that should exist, I think there’s certainly overwhelming evidence that it was extremely widespread and common practice on every single continent at some point in history.
Why is it so important to you that “almost all cultures” practiced slavery? What does that do for you?
At the risk of repeating myself: “they practiced slavery” isn’t an argument you can just throw at any race or nationality in particular without inflicting massive self-damage.
It doesn’t absolve the inherent evil of the institution. No amount of “well billy and tommy did it too” makes it right, kiddo.
I never claimed that. But I’m still waiting for you to find me a single example of a culture that never practiced slavery.
So… Now that you have multiple examples, what then sport? Will you reevaluate your flawed premise and integrate new information that refutes your logic, or will you just piddle along with the flawed reasoning that got you here?
I hope you’re willing to learn because that is historically incorrect. The first nation to abolish slavery was Hati around a decade before the first European country (Denmark). That is if we are talking abolish and keep abolished in all territories controlled. Persia is possibly the first country recorded to have used slaves but they would have periods of “abolishment” which were probably good for causing slave revolts in new areas they were thinking of conquering. Arguably the first country to have and to abolish slavery.
I suppose that once again depends on definitions. There’s likely a reason people often use the term “wage slavery” these days even though on paper, salaried workers are by no means slaves, since they can quit whenever they want to, but that doesn’t mean that in practice, people don’t end up in situations that feel like slavery anyways.
Debt slavery is another one that gets thrown around, even though the possibility of declaring bankruptcy and thus getting off the hook for only a fraction of what you owe is technically available. It almost seems as if slavery is part of the human condition, and if not externally imposed, people will find a way to self-impose it in one way or another.
Either way, it seems silly to suggest that only the slavery imposed by one particular group of people on one particular group of other people is morally objectionable, and I’m also not entirely convinced that erasing any reminders of it does anything at all to right that wrong. At some point, it must be possible to look back at the past and say “well, that was awful, but at least we’re over it now”, but that isn’t possible if you erase any and all traces of it, is it?
Yeah it’s hard to have a good faith debate about a post that wasn’t made in good faith. Anyone who’s being intellectually honest wouldn’t try to equate these company mascots.
From 1946 to 2020, Uncle Ben’s products carried the image of an elderly African-American man dressed in a bow tie, which is said to have been based on a Chicago maître d’hôtel named Frank Brown with the name “Ben” being a possible reference to a shrewd rice farmer from Houston. In 2020, Mars told Ad Age, “We don’t know if a real ‘Ben’ ever existed.” According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name “Uncle Ben’s” as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.
Only the picture. There was an actual Uncle Ben who was a rice farmer. And an actual Aunt Jemima making pancake mix. Both were born into slavery, both had white corporations exploit them. Uncle and Aunt are also both titles used in the Antebellum South for older house slaves trusted by the family.
I’m not making a statement about the post, but “it’s just shit posting” is a reeeeaaal good way to turn this place into a nazi bar. Not calling OP a nazi, just saying that this argument right here is chum in the water for them
Mia, the Land o Lakes butter maiden, is actually rather interesting, at least the modern version they got rid of. The artist was a member of the Red Lake Chippewa and the design included traditional Ojibwe floral motifs. Yeah, it needed to go, but it wasn’t the worst by a long shot.
I just love the idea of a native american being iconfied for… butter.
like, wow, that’s so very, very native and authentic - butter.
I get it, it’s the land-o-lakes, minnesota, and they take butter fucking serious folks, they make it, they eat it, they sculpt it, so yeah, they’re REALLY into butter… but why the stolen iconography? why associate the native americans, who didn’t domesticate cows, with butter of all things?
like what the actual fuck was the line of thought?
Your thoughts are interesting, but I always presumed it was just a simple tribute of sorts. Like you said, Land-O-Lakes, beautiful, natural scenery of America…accompanied by a beautiful Native American woman.
Now take the product itself, like you said, make it make sense. Ehh. Maybe you just can’t. They wanted a mascot & instead of a smiling cow or potato, they chose a woman. Sex sells!
cultural appropriation sells. it’s not just any woman kneeling serving up the dairy products, nah… keep telling yourself it didn’t mean anything, maybe one day you’ll believe yourself, but make no mistake, they wouldn’t have put a white woman kneeling there.
The native cultural influence is pretty strongly interwoven in the fabric of Minnesota. It’s very possible the thought process was just that the locals associated that image with their state, just like the brand name.
The Anishinaabe and Dakota have had major influence on the state and that’s been recognized more in recent history with the renaming of certain places back to their native name, like Bde Maka Ska.
Most of the naming in the metro(and the state name) comes from the Dakota peoples. The Anishinaabe were located more in northern Minnesota and Wisconsin so you’ll see the influence there. For example the town of Biwabik in the iron range which is the Anishinaabe word for iron.
That’s because you haven’t had the perfect british dish ever created! Chicken tikka masala, the most british dish you could ever find. Beloved by all. Very British. Definitely not from, influenced, or inspired by any other country or its diaspora. Nope…
Whats wrong with the English breakfast? You definitely didn’t have one you’d be full until dinner time otherwise.
American living abroad, food is one of the things I miss the most, and not just classic American foods. But, outside of extremely large metropolises, international options are often lacking in European cities in general.
But, outside of extremely large metropolises, international options are often lacking in European cities in general.
That’s true in America too no? Like from my experience even fairly large towns just have the major fast food brands and not much else, unless they’re on the southern border.
Not at all, this is just relevant because its one of the types of food I miss the most, but in my city in the US of like 500,000, there were like 5 Ethiopian restaurants. I now live in a European capital city, with millions of people. If I wanted Ethiopian food I’d have to go to another country.
Can I ask what city because there only 10 cities in Europe with a population in the multi millions and pretty sure all would have Ethiopian food even if its quite niche.
And I’m sure I could pick some big cities in the US that are missing certain cuisines that are common in Europe. Like does Charlotte NC or Jacksonville have any Polish restaurants? Or Morocco restaurants? As in my limited experience you’ll be lucky to get a “”“European”“” or “”“Mediterranean”“” resturaunt at best outside of the most major cities with large inmigrsnt populations like LA and New York.
Prague, I’ve never seen a Polish restaurant here- though I’m sure it exists. And checking Google maps I can find 1 Moroccan restaurant here.
Also, there is a fair amount of good Polish food, its definitely far better than Czech food. But it’s not at all comparable to Indian, Ethiopian, Chinese, or Korean foods which while they all exist in Prague(except Ethiopian) are generally much worse than in the US, unless you happen to know the basically secret menu items to order that aren’t adapted to the local taste. The one thing I will say is far more abundant for quality than in the US is Vietnamese food here. And German Kebab but if I include fast food then I’ll start ranting about how bad the pizza is here.
I wonder why the American thinks the restursunts adapted to American tastes are better than the resturaunts adapted to Czech tastes.
I’m also Czech, but yes, Czech food is usually bland. Furthermore, I’m not talking about the American tastes, majority of my friends here are foreigners, I’m talking about the menu’s adapted to Chinese and Indian tastes.
I think that’s kind of true. There’s no “traditional” restaurants from other countries, but in every small town in America you can have a choice between “Italian” food(both “fancy” restaurants like olive garden and pizza) “Chinese” food, “Mexican” food and the occasional gyro shop, German place or Indian place.
Yeah same in Europe for the most part. There are a few places I’ve been that are very rural and traditional, that don’t have that, especially out east or in countries like Italy, but most towns have your typical Chinese, Italian and indian/Greek/Turkish place sending on the specific area.
Seriously??? If anything they should be complaining about the terrible Photoshop job on the black eye! Could they not have spent 5 minutes to do that with makeup?
I suspect they probably had to get the ad out that day to print so they just took whatever stock photo they had on hand, smudged it with something black and shipped it out. Finding a model, setting up a photoshoot, makeup and printing before getting to work on the ad would take too long.
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