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vzq , to memes in very upsetting

We need copyright reform. Life of author plus 70 for everything is just nuts.

This is not an AI problem. This is a companies literally owning our culture problem.

MustrumR ,

Going one step deeper, at the source, it's oligarchy and companies owning the law and in consequence also its enforcement.

OmnipotentEntity ,
@OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org avatar

If this is what it takes to get copyright reform, just granting tech companies unlimited power to hoover up whatever they want and put it in their models, it’s not going to be the egalitarian sort of copyright reform that we need. Instead, we will just getting a carve out just for this, which is ridiculous.

There are small creators who do need at least some sort of copyright control, because ultimately people should be paid for the work they do. Artists who work on commission are the people in the direct firing line of generative AI, both in commissions and in their day jobs. This will harm them more than any particular company. I don’t think models will suffer if they can only include works in the public domain, if the public domain starts in 2003, but that’s not the kind of copyright protection that Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. want, and that’s not what they’re going to ask for.

grue ,

We do need copyright reform, but also fuck “AI.” I couldn’t care less about them infringing on proprietary works, but they’re also infringing on copyleft works and for that they deserve to be shut the fuck down.

Either that, or all the output of their “AI” needs to be copyleft.

SirQuackTheDuck ,

Not just the output. One could construct that training your model on GPL content which would have it create GPL content means that the model itself is now also GPL.

It’s why my company calls GPL parasitic, use it once and it’s everywhere.

This is something I consider to be one of the main benefits of this license.

LarmyOfLone ,

So if I read a copyleft text or code once, because I understood and learned from it any text I write in the future also has to be copyleft?

HOLY SHIT!

0x0 ,

Doctor here, I’m sorry to inform you that you have a case of parasitic copyleftiosis. Your brain is copyleft, your body is copyleft, and even your future children will be copyleft.

LarmyOfLone ,

GPL. Not even once!

SirQuackTheDuck ,

Yes, now gimme that brain of yours. My comment was GPL too.

Dkarma ,

It already is. God you uninformed people are insufferable.

grue ,

It already is.

If you mean that the output of AI is already copyleft, then sure, I completely agree! What I meant to write that we “need” is legal acknowledgement of that factual reality.

The companies running these services certainly don’t seem to think so, however, so they need to be disabused of their misconception.

I apologize if that was unclear. (Not sure the vitriol was necessary, but whatever.)

Dkarma ,

There have already been cases decided… That’s enough

SnotFlickerman , to memes in Economic Theory is Fun tho.
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Every Man is an Island motherfuckers realizing that No Man is an Island.


Humans specifically only were successful because of pack hunting. We died quickly in nature as individuals. Anarcho-capitalism rejects this need for each other replaced with the unsound idea that each individual can handle everything on their own.

Works great until you break your fucking ankle and realize nobody decided being a doctor was important or the only person with medical skills has decided they don’t want to do business with you.

punkwalrus ,
@punkwalrus@lemmy.world avatar

The ironic thing is that they because successful because of civilization and pack mentality, but are so conceited, they think all that infrastructure (public roads, doctors, restaurants, etc) exists simply because they exist. It’s weirdly how toddlers see the universe, and why tantrums between the two groups are so similar.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah, the old “you don’t find libertarians in poor countries with bad infrastructure” trope.

jaybone ,

Wouldn’t that be the cartels’ upper echelon?

VubDapple ,

Nor weird at all. It requires a social and emotional maturation process to occur before an adult can appreciate the golden rule. When this developmental process fails you have a chronological adult who is developmentally immature. One of the technical names used to refer to this outcome is narcissism. Such people have prominent narcissistic traits.

lugal ,

Kropotkin identified mutual aid as a key factor in evolution, not only but especially in humans

DeepGradientAscent , (edited )
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

Capitalism (strictly defined as the private ownership of the means of production) can’t exist without the premise of private property being protected by laws that are collectively agreed upon, enforced, and adjudicated by peers within your community.

If one defines anarchism strictly as a type of government without a hierarchy, then anarcho-capitalism can exist with laws and government by one’s peers, who are societally and politically equal, save for temporary powers granted to them to legislate, enforce, and adjudicate the laws that are collectively agreed upon regarding private property and its ownership, protection, and distribution.

What a lot of these anarcho-capitalist chucklefucks actually advocate for is the corporate-might-makes-right-piracy under the guise of “rUgGeD iNdIvIdUaLiSm”.

They’re authoritarians who want the freedom to fuck anyone over with impunity “without the commies in government getting in the way”.

meowMix2525 ,

It’s literally just libertarianism under a new and more descriptive name.

DeepGradientAscent ,
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

Rebranded libertarianism or not, my point is that what I’ve experienced when talking to self-described anarcho-capitalists is that they’re all wannabe dictators.

meowMix2525 ,

Yes. I was not contradicting that.

OurToothbrush ,

Capitalism (strictly defined as the private ownership of the means of production) can’t exist without the premise of private property being protected by laws that are collectively agreed upon, enforced, and adjudicated by peers within your community.

This implies that any capitalist society is compatible with democracy, as in, “the will of the masses controls society” and not as in “you get to vote for genocidal liberal who will make us richer, or genocidal fascist who will make us richer”

DeepGradientAscent ,
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

This implies that any capitalist society is compatible with democracy, as in, “the will of the masses controls society”

Correct.

Capitalism is an economic system, while democracy is a political system.

To repeat myself a bit, my argument is that capitalism can’t exist without collective agreements on legislation, enforcement, and adjudication, along with strong protections for an individual’s rights.

In the United States, we technically have a democratically-elected representative federal republic (on paper). This is one of many political systems where capitalism can exist, if we’re defining it strictly, as I’d mentioned above.

And to be absolutely clear:

If you believe that supposed self-described “socialists”, “communists”, “leftists”, and other “cHaMpIoNs Of tHe PeOpLe” have never been or are incapable of being genocidal maniacs, please promptly fuck your own face with your tankie butt-plug and jump off the nearest cliff.

I will never entertain any authoritarian of whatever economic stripe or their apologists for even a nanosecond.

OurToothbrush , (edited )

Capitalism is an economic system, while democracy is a political system.

Economics is politics. The two are intertwined in every practical regard.

To repeat myself a bit, my argument is that capitalism can’t exist without collective agreements on legislation, enforcement, and adjudication, along with strong protections for an individual’s rights.

This is ahistorical. Colonialism does not require consensus or respect for individual rights and is a central feature of any capitalist system that is successful enough.

If you believe that supposed self-described “socialists”, “communists”, “leftists”, and other “cHaMpIoNs Of tHe PeOpLe” have never been or are incapable of being genocidal maniacs, please promptly fuck your own face with your tankie butt-plug and jump off the nearest cliff.

Oh yeah, socialists have done some horrible things. They pale in scale to the crimes of capitalism. The British empire, the nazi empire, the American empire. Socialism is a less violent system but that doesn’t mean that violence stops.

I will never entertain any authoritarian of whatever economic stripe or their apologists for even a nanosecond.

If you support capitalism you literally support an informal caste system where a small caste owns the collective accumlated fruits of labor of the whole human race stretching back to the start of agriculture, where any attempt to change the state of affairs that has any chance of success gets jakarta methoded. That is much more authoritarian than a red terror.

FauxPseudo , to memes in ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
@FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar
Kecessa ,

This thing doesn’t go past 0 very often

Sphks ,
@Sphks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It does.
It was up to 6 at the end of September!
…wikipedia.org/…/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_Un…

Kecessa ,

Not based on that list

www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

And that’s the issue, some definitions make it seem like it’s less of an issue than it truly is…

Sphks ,
@Sphks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That was sarcastic. 6 days max without a mass shooting is low. Especialy when the average number is 2 mass shooting every fucking day.

doofer_name , to memes in Public Transit my beloved 😍

I hate point 2 and 3.

I have an avarage travel of 45-55 minutes from my home city to the city I work in. By car and by train, while the train is usually on the slower end. It takes about 20-30 minutes to get from my home to the train station by taking the bus or riding the bike. When taking the bus I also have to factor in about 15 minutes between arrival at the station and departure of the train. Then there is another 20 minutes from the train station at destination to my place of work. So it takes me 40-65 minutes longer taking the train… twice a day, making it 1:20-2:10h a day (when Im lucky bc trains over here have frequent delays). One hour ish doesn’t sound like much? Well you’ll feel it if you working 11-12h a shift or a 9-10 hour a day in a normal 9 to 5 job (starting work at around 7 a.m.).

Then there is a neat little think called night or late shifts. There is no way I’m gonna take the train here. They either take an hour longer or the bus at my home city does not drive anymore on the way back.

Demand better public transportation. Demand functioning trains and frequent bus and tram connections. But do not tell people that need to take the car for whatever reason, that they should just take the worse option and make them feel like the problem.

I hate cars. I hate driving. And I love taking the train or taking the bike within my city. But sometimes I just have to take the car. That is not my fault tho, since public transportation is not the main focus of politics over here. And thats what needs to change globally.

Son_of_dad ,

I tried taking my family out on a weekend on transit. 40 minutes wait for a bus that had any room, an hour to travel 10km, and it cost us $10 each way for the family. I live in a major city but our transit is trash. It’s not fit for a city of this size.

doofer_name , (edited )

That sounds horrible. Public transportation is such a vital thing for citys to function properly as a place to live and not just work in. And dont get me started on small towns or the countryside where not owning a car basically means you’re fucked. I cannot wrap my head around how politicians just fail to see this. Climate change might be the most urgent, but by far not the only argument for better public transportation.

ahto ,

It’s not fit for a city of this size.

Tokyo would like to have a word with you. It’s not public transit in and of itself that is the issue, it’s the implementation.

candybrie ,

I think you read that wrong. They aren’t saying public transit doesn’t work in a city that size, but the public transit in their city isn’t up to the standard it should be for a city that size.

ahto ,

You’re right, I see it now. My bad!

zerofk ,

When I switched from using the bus to going by bike, i cut my commute time by more than half. If I were to take the car, it would halve again. Public transport is great, and necessary. But it will never be faster than a personal car for anything but large distances.

Flumsy ,

… where you live. Where I live (in central Europe) we have a subway every 2-3 minutes and you’re at worst 2 blocks away from a stop. It all depends on the infrastructure. A subway cant be stuck in traffic…

pimeys ,

Yep. Here in Berlin traveling to my old office (when I didn’t work from home all the time) with the S or U-bahn took 30-35 minutes and by car/taxi about 40-45 minutes due to the traffic.

TheFriendlyDickhead ,

Berlin is one of the few german cities where public transport is done right. In cologne, where I lived, there are a lot of stops, but the inferstructure is just realy bad. They managed that trains get stuck in traffic too sometimes. And for some reason they trains only arrive in a 10-30min time window. So if you want to follow one line it’s relatively fine, but if you have to change trains you have to be lucky. In the city center still faster than driving though.

IkarusHagen2 ,

Just say central european city.

I too live in central europe and the bus line i could take from my town to the town i work in takes 1 hr to get there and back, at the end of my day the bus only departes one hour after i’m finished with work so i have to wait for the bus the same amount of time i need for both ways with my car.

dafo ,

They should really say a European city with a subway. Not all cities in Europe have a subway.

Flumsy ,

It was pretty obvious from my comment that I live in a European city with a subway…

I didnt say my comment applied to all European cities either.

CowsLookLikeMaps ,

Also, trams/streetcars in Zurich have right of way and the red lights change for them. Which is completely logical considering how many more people you can fit in them than a few cards at a red light. The problems with public transit in North America are a function of our car infrastructure.

bandario ,
@bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If I rode my bike to work, my shift would be over by the time I got there. I’m really starting to like the idea of biking to work.

KillAllPoorPeople ,

Nearly every city on the planet with a subway system disputes your bullshit.

chiliedogg ,

It sure is nice that everyone gets to live in New York, London, and Washington.

A better solution is to reduce how much people need to travel. Instead of building trillion-dollartransit systems so people can to to the office we should be taxing the everloving shit out of office spaces for jobs that can be worked remotely.

Mchugho ,

So what? Subways requires a minimum amount of people to be viable. Outside of major urban centres they are useless.

CowsLookLikeMaps ,

I think the point here is that suburbs and cities have such dogshit public transit and bike infrastructure that people do everything by car. Nobody is telling those who live in rural areas to bike 30km to get groceries.

KillAllPoorPeople ,

Guess where most people live and want to live?

BCsven ,

I’m in Vancouver, while the system needs some improvement, the skytrain gets me right to the airport, with trains every few minutes. No parking nonsense. Driving, with traffic, is much longer. Bussing has some express routes so the trips aren’t so many stops also. until the system wxpands develooment the consideration is looking for a place nearer a stop or station.

DrRatso ,

A bike is faster in my city if you are decently fast, but a bus or trolley is faster than cars during rush hours, because we have public transit lanes, so while everyone in their tin cans is stressed yelling at the dumbass who just cut them off im breezing past, listening to a podcast, meditating or catching a quick ten minute nap before work.

cadekat ,

How likely is it that your home and work are 20 minutes away from train stations because your region prioritizes cars?

doofer_name ,

Its not just likely, thats the case. But living in the inner city is expensive here. And thats the case in most of the country.

surge_1 , to memes in Double standards or something, I don't know...

Dumb meme, the 2 situations are not similar.

generalpotato ,

Yes, one is recent, impacts the West directly and a bunch of white people and the other is Palestine.

surge_1 ,

Nope, try again

BirdyBoogleBop ,

How does a long time NATO ally not impact the west exactly? The Israel/Palestine confict has been in the news since I have paid attention to international politics.

generalpotato ,

That was the point. When it impacts the West directly, the we in the West decide to make things about right and wrong and morals and cook up excuses to throw more and more money because it serves our interests. When it’s Palestine… we decide to throw all of that out of the window and decide fund Israel (the aggressor) instead.

Chunk ,

This entire weird conversation aside, Palestine/Israel conflict does not currently affect the West. It could hypothetically escalate.

Also, Israel is not in NATO. They are a “NATO partner” but are not legally tied to the security alliance.

Empricorn ,

2edgy4me

CriticalResist8 ,
@CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I hope Russia invades your house. Not your country or neighbourhood, but just your house specifically.

cyclohexane ,

They’re not identical but there are many similarities.

sock ,

Palestine is attacking israel.

israel is fighting back

israel is much more powerful and will level Palestine in an afternoon if they want

does that give israel the right to level Palestine? no not directly. if you had a country attacking you, killing your citizens and you wanted them to stop and they wouldnt stop no matter what, what do YOU do?

the US would drop a nuke in this situation to be a moral dilemma 70 years later.

is Palestine stupid for talking shit and not backing it up yes. is israel overreacting? yes. Hindsight is 20/20 not that israel cares but Palestine should stop trying to be what theyre not

feel free to educate me as i dont know much about this subject.

orphiebaby ,

You clearly don’t.

txmyx , to memes in cloudfare bad

What?? I thought cloudflare is good. Free Ddos protection, etc.

greyscale ,
@greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Single point of failure for the whole internet.

TORFdot0 ,

If cloudflare goes down you can just update DNS to not use it …

30p87 ,

Well the admin of a site could opt out of using cloudflare for the time being, a user could do literally nothing. Errors in Cloudflare can easily take down their servers and therefore the CDN and access to like 20% of websites. And Bugs in Cloudflare can even leak user data.

So cloudflare can grant DDOS Protection, CDNs and other exploiting protection, but can take down large parts of everything, temporarily or permanently.

kautau ,

Agreed, and I would say what cloudflare does for the internet (their work on the IETF, generally letting small sites stay alive without needing an SRE to worry about DDoS attacks, etc) outweighs the general negative possibility of them being a potential single point of failure

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Shhhh you can’t just be reasonable here. This guy watched a YouTube video, he knows what he’s talking about

If cloudflare decided not to host my server I would have a bit of downtime, a couple of hours, but I’d be up again on someone else’s CDN tomorrow. I don’t think OP understands the role of cloudflare at all.

foggy ,

Only because no one does what they do as well as they do it.

If they had competition, that wouldn’t be the case. Sadly, there are very few other good guys out there…

gndagreborn ,
@gndagreborn@lemmy.world avatar

What about akamai? Other CDNs and the like.

foggy ,

There exists competition, they’ve just been doing it consistently well at a large scale for awhile.

They’ve done nothing to prevent competition, because they’re legit AF. The competition just hasn’t put a dent in their market share because they’re excellent at what they do.

mvirts ,

I wouldn’t call clourflare a single point.

greyscale ,
@greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Their management control plane absolutely is a single point of failure.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

We use their CDN, and they do our load balancing for work and they’re great at it.

Cube6392 ,

There are benefits and costs. Cloudflare makes it easy to maintain high uptime as a small site sysadmin at the cost of free DDoS protection isn’t actually free. Cloudflare turns all users of websites that employ it into the products of surveillance capitalism

Sludgehammer , to cat in Historical kitty signature
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

The funny thing is that some medieval bricklayer made a conscious choice here, he could have put that brick paw-print down and made a flawless floor. Now, here we are getting a chuckle out of some unknown bricklayer’s little gag centuries later.

Zellith ,

Wouldn't he have needed to change the brick? If you flip it then it wouldn't fit there any more since its shape is asymmetrical.

DTFpanda ,

Shhhh just let it ride

Ulv ,

Presumably he shaped the tile after it was fired? I assume.

jordanlund ,

As a cat owner, this doesn’t even look like a real print. It’s too deep. Most likely a manufactured print done as a gag by whoever made the bricks.

bstix ,

The car walked on the brick before it was burned (the brick).

Like when you put a fork in a cake to check if it’s done. The hole will be bigger when it’s heated afterwards.

I don’t think it’s a deliberate prank, just a not my job situation.

telllos ,

I’m also wondering if those are not fake prints. They look pretty deep. I don’t think a cat walking on drying bricks would leave such deep marks.

To me they look like easter eggs left by the brick layer.

Scrof ,

Maybe they’re deep because of water erosion from rains over a thousand years, those bricks look pretty polished.

Zaphod ,

I don’t think the bricks are that old. Maybe a few hundred years or so

CitizenKong ,

Also, wouldn’t water erosion make them less deep not more, due to generally smoothing the stone?

HonoraryMancunian ,

Maybe water pools in them long after it dries out on the surrounding brick, but whether still water still erodes stone I don’t know.

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

It’s possible. I have paw prints of varying size and pressure in the concrete around my house (thanks cat).

The ones from super wet concrete look almost like a duck/goblin footprint, the ones in drier screed look like those tiles, but much less deep.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Also like, this looks like stone, not brick…

Martin , to linux in Defaults insults

There’s also the naughty programmer getting spanked by EFL

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/e5d388f6-6d82-459b-8a90-901210a7cca1.png

fishsayhelo , (edited )

EFL is an absolute crime against programmer-kind, even if the errors are, admittedly, hilarious. can assert that they are not so funny when you find them deeeeep in some god-forsaken legacy codebase that’s seen more null *s than git commits lol

demlet , to asklemmy in What is the biggest lesson that employment has taught you?

Success is mainly about sucking up to the right people. No matter how good you are at your job, you have to know how to play work politics. Most bosses don’t know how to evaluate actual ability, and they’re much less objective than they think. Usually they favor more likeable employees over capable ones if forced to choose. Human life is a popularity contest, always has been, always will be. That’s the side effect of being a highly social species…

runeko ,
@runeko@programming.dev avatar

Begrudgingly given upvote. Sigh.

techt ,

I don’t think you’re entirely wrong, but I think maybe you downplay the importance of a good team dynamic when choosing people. I’d take someone less skilled over a highly skilled but unapproachable jerk for the long-term health of the crew. In that way, I don’t think it’s bad to favor the more likable one depending on how we’re defining likable, and I don’t think that makes it simply a popularity contest either.

Prunebutt , to memes in American hypocrisy, oh, let me count the ways

I don’t think that’s a moral dilemma for them at all, since Gaza is full of brown and/or muslim people.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

Also, they’re immune to cognitive dissonance.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

And they’ve won.

They are insulated from their own hypocrisy by the ratchet effect.

Minotaur , to memes in Never seen a Camel walk through the eye of a Needle.

Without getting too /r/atheism, it is funny to see the lengths many Christian scholars will go to try and justify that line.

“Oh, well they were probably actually referring to this giant arch that might have once been translated as “the eye of the needle”, meaning that they were saying it’s really easy to get into heaven”

Like what the fuck? What do you guys think is the point of the passage then?

And these aren’t like yokels and grifters. They’re like PhDs in Christian Theology. The religion at a point is just almost entirely concerned with making up translations

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Kind of how they only focus on half of the definition of Gluttony and ignore how it also means excessive Greed.

Perfide ,

Which is besides the point because Greed is already one of the deadly sins in it’s own right.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 , (edited )
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

I find most of the seven sins redundant.

Lust and gluttony and envy fall under greed. You could also argue sloth for greed of sleep. Wrath and pride are the only two that don’t fall under the greed category.

originaltnavn ,

Especially when the next couple of verses explains it.

conditional_soup ,

Yeah, it’s pretty unambiguous. Jesus tells the rich boy that came to him to give away all their possessions and let the Lord clothe them as he does the birds and flowers. Rich boy gets real sad and goes away.

lolcatnip ,

Christians love to do this thing where they pretend each verse, taken completely out of context, stands on its own. Seems to be especially popular with American evangelicals.

reverendsteveii ,

In fact, they like to think that the verses only make sense out of context. No matter how many other verses you can cite across multiple books where Christ makes it clear He’s commanding you to abandon the idea of worldly, material possessions and dedicate yourself and your wealth to helping other people and spreading the word, they’ll go “No it was just a gate” and keep not doing what Christ told them to while pretending to be Christians.

Venator ,

Well it’s pretty easy to get around even without the translation mental gymnastics, you just have to ask for forgiveness before you die and put the church as the only beneficiary in your will.

Nougat ,

And these aren’t like yokels and grifters.

They’re not?

Minotaur ,

No. Many of them aren’t. I get the jab, but I think reducing everyone who has strange or perplexing, even illogical views to just being “an idiot or a grifter” isn’t productive.

Nougat ,

Ah right - they're the griftees, having paid a fuckton of money for a PhD in "Christian Theology."

Minotaur ,

I guess so. It’s still a bizarrely reductive and self serving viewpoint, but whatever helps you.

Nougat ,

We're not talking about people who have an academic interest in Christian mythology in the way that there are people who have academic interests in Egyptian mythology or Norse mythology. We're talking about people who believe the myths as divine truth. It's like if I had a PhD in Norse mythology, and I thought I was going to Valhalla, a real place.

In the US at least, and elsewhere for sure, Christian nationalism partnered with fascism is on a very steep rise. This is a "bad thing," and I experience exactly zero shame in standing against people who are already trampling the rights and agency of so very many people based on religious views.

Minotaur ,

Ok. That’s fine. Perhaps instead of viewing them entirely in ways that allow you to look down your nose at them you could instead try to understand them and find out what systems lead to religious beliefs - including religious belief in people who are objectively smarter than you are.

You don’t help anyone by treating them entirely in this sneering, beneath you way. It might make you feel better about yourself, but it doesn’t actually help any of the people you profess to actually care about.

Nougat ,

... you could instead try to understand them and find out what systems lead to religious beliefs ...

Been doing that already a long time, thanks for assuming I haven't.

... including religious belief in people who are objectively smarter than you are.

Isaac Newton is a wonderful example. Absolutely brilliant in so many ways, and absolutely wrong in others. Just because someone is "smart(er than me)" doesn't mean that they're always right and I'm always wrong.

Somebody wants to be religious, have theistic views? That's fine, I don't care. I think they're wrong, but I don't care. I believe that people who put so much into it that they get accredited (why?) degrees in their beliefs (ones that I think are wrong, as previously mentioned) are well beyond just "being religious" and deep into fantasy indulgement. I also believe that there is a great deal of overlap between such people and those who want government to adhere to a specific set of religious rules or laws.

You don’t help anyone by treating them entirely in this sneering, beneath you way.

I sense some projection here.

Minotaur ,

Maybe this is simply a problem of world experience. You seem to have a view of religious scholars that does not align with reality, including not being able to comprehend why someone would want to receive a degree in religious studies.

It’s a lack of empathy and experience that drives you on this issue. Try to have a conversation with some of these individuals before indulging yourself

Nougat ,

Oh I so much love that you think you know me.

Minotaur ,

I only act with the information you have given me.

reverendsteveii ,

okay, but you can look at the specific perplexing or illogical view when making that judgment and if that specific illogical view is designed to promote your own wealth the needle on the bullshitometer moves a bit closer to “grifter”

Minotaur ,

You lost track of where the conversation went. I am talking specifically about religious academics

hash0772 , to linuxmemes in Backdoors

Getting noticed because of a 300ms delay at startup by a person that is not a security researcher or even a programmer after doing all that would be depressing honestly.

zea_64 , to programmer_humor in You can certainly change it. But should you?

It makes more sense if you think of const as “read-only”. Volatile just means the compiler can’t make the assumption that the compiler is the only thing that can modify the variable. A const volatile variable can return different results when read different times.

fl42v OP ,

I thought of it more in terms of changing constants (by casting the const away). AFAIK when it’s not volatile, the compiler can place it into read-only data segment or make it a part of some other data, etc. So, technically, changing a const volatile would be less of a UB compared to changing a regular const (?)

Scoopta ,
@Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

const volatile is used a lot when doing HW programming. Const will prevent your code from editing it and volatile prevents the compiler from making assumptions. For example reading from a read only MMIO region. Hardware might change the value hence volatile but you can’t because it’s read only so marking it as const allows the compiler to catch it instead of allowing you to try and fail.

humbletightband ,

I will not tell my kids regular scary stories. I will tell them about embedded systems

suzune ,

When you program embedded you’ll also dereference NULL pointers at some point.

More...Some platforms can have something interesting at memory address 0x0 (it’s often NULL in C).

humbletightband ,

I was thinking about telling them how in embedded systems it’s a good practice to allocate the memory by hand, having in mind the backlog, but yours will come first

Scoopta ,
@Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

In amd64/x86 kernel space you can dereference null as well. My hobby kernel keeps critical kernel structures there XD.

mox , (edited )

AFAIK when it’s not volatile, the compiler can place it into read-only data segment

True, but preventing that is merely a side effect of the volatile qualifier when applied to any random variable. The reason for volatile’s existence is that some memory is changed by the underlying hardware, or by an external process, or by the act of accessing it.

The qualifier was a necessary addition to C in order to support such cases, which you might not encounter if you mainly deal with application code, but you’ll see quite a bit in domains like hardware drivers and embedded systems.

A const volatile variable is simply one of these that doesn’t accept explicit writes. A sensor output, for example.

TheEntity ,

The very notion of “less of a UB” is against the concept of UB. If you have an UB in your program, all guarantees are out of the window.

fl42v OP ,

I mean, changing a const is itself a questionable move (the question being whether the one doing it is insane)

QuaternionsRock ,

I’ve never really thought about this before, but const volatile value types don’t really make sense, do they? const volatile pointers make sense, since const pointers can point to non-const values, but const values are typically placed in read-only memory, in which case the volatile is kind of meaningless, no?

zea_64 ,

Maybe there’s a signal handler or some other outside force that knows where that variable lives on the stack (maybe through DWARF) and can pause your program to modify it asynchronously. Very niche. More practical is purely to inhibit certain compiler optimizations.

rooster_butt ,

They do in embedded when you are polling a read only register. The cpu can change the register but writing to it does nothing.

QuaternionsRock ,

That seems like a better fit for an intrinsic, doesn’t it? If it truly is a register, then referencing it through a (presumably global) variable doesn’t semantically align with its location, and if it’s a special memory location, then it should obviously be referenced through a pointer.

Suspiciousbrowsing , to lemmyshitpost in Relationship advice?

This is surely satire right? Why's everyone taking it so seriously?

Fisch ,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

Someone else commented that this dude often posts stuff like this and it’s not satire…

Suspiciousbrowsing ,

Yikes...

Signtist ,

You can never be sure on the Internet. Plus, I know there are people who think like this; my mom did something similar to my dad when I was a kid. When they were first dating she told him she didn’t want to be tied down, a sentiment that he thought was long over by the time they got married. Much to his surprise, she was angry that he wasn’t more accepting when he caught her cheating. Decades later, she still claims that she was entirely justified, and that my dad is an asshole for getting angry at her.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

STA

Suspiciousbrowsing ,

Sorry to hear that bro.

PanoptiDon ,

People need to communicate these things. If either myself or my partner wants to be with someone else, it is discussed. It allows everyone to make an informed decision going forward and no one is betrayed. Only time this ever happened with us, we were with the same person

Passerby6497 ,

I wish people who thought like this were just upfront about wanting non-monogamy rather than sneaking around and causing pain and strife for those around then.

Like, my wife (and partner) practice ethical non-monogamy and have fire years. If one of us wants to stay outside of our thruple, we talk about it and discuss how we feel, and then make a decision everyone is happy with. There are times where something is denied (last one was because of a bad partner she ended up breaking up with a month later, who went full ‘you can’t fire me I quit’ on her), but we all work through it.

Communicate is not that hard…

byroon ,

If this tweet is real then I would 100% expect something like this from this guy.
Edit: I mean I think Yudkowsky is being sincere. The lemmy OP is clearly a joke

LinkOpensChest_wav , to memes in Know your enemy
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I remember people on reddit misgendering that antiwork mod for the crime of [checks notes] a botched interview on Fox News that didn’t even fucking matter.

It was an ugly thing to see all that transphobia out in the open like that.

30p87 ,

You already noted the problem: >people on reddit

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

“people” on reddit

spoilerBad joke, I know, sorry I couldn’t resist

li10 ,

That was a colossal fuck up of an interview though, made the entire anti work community look like a load of stupid freeloaders.

Absolutely no excuse for the misgendering or any harassment, but I still wouldn’t undersell how bad that interview was.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It was Fox News. Even if had been a stellar interview, they would have made it look bad.

And I don’t think it had any actual impact on how people viewed the community in general. It’s just people being terminally online and blowing things way out of proportion.

I agree the interview was bad, but it’s also one of the most inconsequential parts about it. That’s the tiniest most petty reason I’ve ever seen a community tear itself apart over. It was like a bunch of mindless chickens pecking one to death because they saw a spot of blood. Definitely on brand for reddit though.

li10 ,

It was doomed from the start, and yet they went on anyway.

tbh I think they’d put a bad case forward even if they were given a favorable interview, considering they gave Fox more ammunition than they could ever ask for.

The misgendering and harassment is wrong, but I honestly think it’s right for the anti work community to call out how awful that interview was and distance themselves from it as much as possible. imo it did actively harm the public perception of the movement.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

it did actively harm the public perception of the movement

Again, this is greatly exaggerating the nature of the situation. Even if it did, it was so minor that it could have easily recovered. It’s not like irreparable harm was caused.

phdepressed ,

Fox is not a small-time, they have more primetime viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined. If people’s first exposure to a movement is something like that interview…Several other news outlets also rehosted clips and wrote stories about just how terrible it was. That creates a strong barrier to anyone labeled as being “with” that person to overcome in order to be taken seriously. Whereas if you discovered the community where there were memes/conversations around workers rights and how they’re getting fucked the perception is much different.

It also was directly against the wishes of a community vote and mod discussion of doing a fox interview. A very good way to tell supporters of a movement that a purported “leader” doesn’t actually care about what they’re saying. To say that it was minor damage really underplays how it affected perception and unity of the community.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Hard disagree. Again, you’re blowing this way out of proportion. A movement isn’t one mod. It’s pretty clear that users were more interested in jerking their hate boners than in the movement itself.

It’s telling that even after these years, you’re still unable to gain a little healthy perspective on this. It’s really hard to admit that you were wrong, especially if you actively contributed to what was essentially a targeted harassment campaign.

This is like talking to Gamers about why death threats to devs are wrong lol

TexMexBazooka ,

I’m almost convinced it was deliberate

Grayox OP ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

It really is hard to understate how bad the interview was, that’s what makes the misgendering even worse, there were so many other things to critique…

grte ,

It was a Fox News interview. If the person who did the interview came off well they wouldn’t have bothered airing it. Hell, if the person they interviewed didn’t come off the way they did they wouldn’t have bothered interviewing them.

TexMexBazooka ,

I mean I agree Fox News will pick apart anything that they get, that’s just the nature of the beast. But the whole discussion in the antiwork community was that whoever did the interview needed to be prepared for that and give them as little ammunition as possible, while presenting the beliefs of the antiwork/workreform movement.

Instead, one of the users (a mod I think?) took the interview without further input from the community, had dirty clothes in the background, and was an easy target for the Fox News crowd.

Idk, it was really unfortunate, and the movement had started to gain serious momentum. It could’ve been a lightning in a bottle opportunity, and they fucked it up

grte ,

This is what I’m getting at, though. If the interviewee didn’t fit the checklist of stereotypes Fox News was looking for, there wouldn’t have been an interview aired. It was a hit piece. Fox News went looking for a way to run a segment discrediting a movement, and found one.

lolcatnip ,

The real mistake was going in Fox News in the first place. Nobody should do an interview on Fox News ever for any reason.

Wogi ,

The anti work community had a lot of idiotic freeloaders who just didn’t want to work. After the interview when the sensible people left, it got so much worse.

Work reform was better, and came about as a result of that interview.

Holzkohlen ,

The interview was a shit show, but your interpretation of this and that it supposedly destroyed I find ridiculous.

lightnsfw ,

That sub was a joke even before that interview. They banned me for asking someone to explain why an investor shouldn’t have all the negotiating power if they are putting up 100% of the capital for a new business. Like I wanted to know how they thought that system should work because I don’t see how some random person asking for money has any leverage. I wasn’t agreeing with the current state of things.

All I got was a permaban with a childish message from a mod.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

That shit was blown out of proportions, yeah. Critique is fine and all, but that ended up as straight up harassment. Fuck the people using that as an excuse for their transphobia.

But I actually started chiming in when the mod team doubled down presenting themselves as spokespeople for the movement and, in a case of “cannot possibly be timed worse“, presented some kid as a new mod? Spokesperson? I don’t remember. That whole mess got so stupid I zoned out after a while.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The mods were misfiring for sure, but what made me step away were not the mods – that could have been addressed over time – but the users. My reaction to the video and what the mods said was basically, “Oh haha, that was bad!” and I think that’s where it ended for me. I had noted issues with the mods prior to that and brought them up, and no one seemed to care at that time – I even pointed out several times that one of the mods had a stickied post on their profile specifically requesting interviews – so it’s hard for me to believe that the users were acting in good faith. Why did no one seem to care before that interview happened? But everyone got drummed up into an emotional frenzy, and that sort of thing is what tears movements apart – not one or two bad mods.

I agree the mods shouldn’t have positioned themselves as spokespeople, but there were so many other ways it could have been handled without melting down.

Son_of_dad ,

You think that interview didn’t matter? It basically killed the entire conversation about wage/labor imbalance. And that had zero to do with that mods gender, but with that mods absolute stupidity, regardless of gender

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

This is so melodramatic lol

It “killed” nothing. That was one bad mod vs. a bunch of users who were determined to self destruct.

CluckN ,

They abandoned the main AntiWork subreddit and split the entire community in two.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yeah, whatever happened was a totally disproportionate response to a single bad interview for an audience of people who were never likely to support the movement in the first place.

I guess it’s super hard to put one’s personal feelings aside for the greater good, and it’s frighteningly easy to get drawn into dogpiling and scapegoating a single person rather than pausing and reflecting on forming a more constructive response.

Neither of the communities ever really recovered from that, and in my opinion that says a lot more about the myriad users than it does about one mod.

Omega_Haxors ,

They were a bunch of liberals, the chances they would ever do anything was well into the negatives.

endhits ,

That interview did irreparable damage to the labor movement in the media.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Gamer take

chuckleslord ,

I… don’t think that’s the case. Last year was the year of labor wins across the board. Like, I don’t understand how to parse what has happened in the world since with this statement. Media, especially corporate owned media, is always going to be somewhat antilabor. One bad interview from one person did not impact labor’s perception in any meaningful way.

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