Yeah that is a fair point, hopefully as it seems like people on Lemmy & Kbin are more active than Reddit users, we should hopefully see these communities grow a lot more to the point of passing Reddit numbers.
I see the point but I'd personally rather start asking the questions, whose answers have been deleted off of Reddit, here to build up a new (hopefully fireproof) Library of Alexandria.
For me personally for mundane-ish questions, searching the web-archive for a snapshot that still had the answer is too much a hassle and not as future proof. If a snapshot of that specific question even existed in the first place.
I do have to say that I've seen such replaced comments at least 3 times in the wild by now which is way more than I expected at first. It's a loss for sure but I do have to appreciate that some people actually followed through to such an extend.
Good, the less traffic Reddit gets the better. If someone has a question then the answer can get reposted, or WayBack can be checked. So long as Reddit doesn’t get the web traffic.
If by a good chunk you mean <0.1% of their content, I agree. The majority of Reddit users did not care to migrate, and many that did migrate didn’t delete their old content
That’s kind of the fun of it, though. I used to love reading insane fascists and incel subreddits before they all were b7. It was just so fascinating to me that people like that exist.
Lol yeah a “reeducation” camp where death penalty is the result of failing to pass is pretty fascisistic, sorry to disappoint but you share things in common.
Yeah, always blows me away how willing people are to call for crimes against humanity for groups they don’t like. I mean, I find nazis to be ridiculous and terrible, but throwing people into re-education camps and executing them if they don’t convert to your worldview? That’s like reading 1984 as an instruction manual lol.
Read that as a personal attack instead of a quote when it popped up in my alerts, and was very confused about what I did lol.
But yeah, when your plan is to execute a group because you find their beliefs repugnant, you’ve become the villain in the scenario. The solution to the paradox of tolerance definitely isn’t genocide.
It’s neither, it’s a rhetorical “you”. Should’ve been clearer about that, sorry.
The thing about the paradox of tolerance is that the intolerance mentioned there is not regular bigotry. It’s quite specifically about a threat to the marketplace of ideas.
I got your stupid joke (you’re comparing me to Hitler and fascism which isn’t the same thing as authoritarianism, read a book), but you clearly didn’t get mine so “wooosh” to you too.
The problem with providing them a platform on your server is that no one else will want to be there. And no one else needs to be there because there’s a thousand other instances with decent moderation policies.
Counting calories/macros is good thing to do to zero your brain in on what foods contribute what - it's honestly quite surprising and informative to do. But, doing it constantly is kinda obsessive and annoying. Same applies here too.
Yeah I assume the reason there isn’t is because the general ones are US-centric by default and then everyone else has to have somewhere specific to go. But I guess if they want their own dedicated place too why not?
I don’t think hosting was ever the argument. It was always just that the vast majority of users were American.
Any site defaulting to English is going to attract users who predominantly speak English as their primary language, and then people who speak English as a sort of lingua franca are going to be a smaller part of that. Among native English speakers, Americans make up the majority, so that’s the prevailing default you are likely to see.
Even if Lemmy.world is hosted in Europe, I’d hazard that the largest user demographic is still Americans.
attract users who predominantly speak English as their primary language
I never understood this argument. Why do you think it’s important whether English is your primary language or not?
People in developed countries often speak English pretty much perfectly (and know the difference between their and they’re).
If you’re going to a web site with a mixed audience, you’re gonna use English, and if you’re going to a local one, you use your local language. No big deal?
Native English speakers have the advantage of not needing a different language to speak to their locals, but that’s all.
If somehow everyone agreed that Esperanto will be the default internet language, you wouldn’t expect the majority to be native Esperanto users.
I mean, I think I addressed that in my post. When the discourse is defaulted to English, you end up with users who are either native English speakers and people using English as a lingua franca.
In the Anglosphere, Americans make up the largest single chunk, and they accordingly see no need to “enclave” the way other groups may because being the biggest means their standpoint is effectively the default one.
When the discourse is defaulted to English, you end up with users who are either native English speakers and people using English as a lingua franca.
But that is the thing, this assumption is most likely not correct. The second half of it is (which you didn’t mention in your original comment), but the first part is largely untrue.
People who speak English as a second language are able to engage with a platform in which the majority of users speak English. People who only speak English or that and their local language are unable to engage with a platform where the language used is not their own or English.
More people are able to communicate with a shared language than with languages which are not mutually understood.
One other factor contributes: the U.S. has a large population which shares both a language and some culture. While multiple other countries may share languages, the populations which share a similar level of culture are smaller.
Then you have posts on social media being ranked in some way by engagement. One post may be relatable to 100k people, and five other posts are relatable to 20k each. The single post is ranked higher.
Your assumptions are incorrect. There never were a vast majority of American users, and English based sites doesn’t necessarily attract people who speak English as their primary language. The world knows (except for perhaps some Americans) that English is the lingua franca of our day, so English being used in a website doesn’t say anything at all about its geographical or cultural makeup.
It is a stupid argument anyway that fundamentally ignores the entire concept of the internet being global and universal. If a site is aimed at a global userbase it is mostly completely irrelevant (except for legal purposes of course) where that site was originally created or where the servers are located.
It’s americans assuming everything must be about the US and everyone they’re talking to understands US terms or even is from there.
Like using state acronyms with no context and assuming ppl will know what it means. Or random cardinal directions when there’s no country context. The whole thing likely exists because of the insane cultural bubble US education and media perpetuates combined with many people on the english speaking internet actually being from there.
Oh and also many of the people on reddit complaining about it were utterly unable to see when there was context implying it’s about the US so they weren’t really better.
Not necessarily, it is likely that a tourist is just not used to these specific pathogens. While the people living there are used to them. So their immune system isn’t better per se just more adapted to the environment.
Same sort of idea if you went to a small culture in a third world country who isn't used to eating any fast food, and gave them McDonald's. They'd be diarrheaing all over the place because they're not used to it.
Also “survivorship bias” sadly plays a part in this. The healthcare is low quality or nonexistent. Everyone seems to have an excellent immune system because most everyone that didn’t… died.
Not sure what country you're talking about but as someone born and raised in a third-world country with free, universal healthcare I can tell you I'm offended.
Man I really think this highlights how badly we need to stop using the word third-world. Thanks for pointing that out. It is antiquated and just used arbitrarily these days. I was trying to convey war-torn countries, countries with too much unrest to support a universal healthcare system, etc. Those descriptions are not descriptive of every third-world country.
Depends on what part of the 3rd world we are talking about. Majority of African nations for example do not have UHC yet. Asia is a better off in this regard but not the entire continent.
I find the OP’s question very intriguing and have kind of arrived at this same conclusion. My only tweak would be that they may, in fact, have more effective immune systems purely due to the fact that access to medicine or areas free of pathogens aren’t as common. Obviously, though, that would be compared to a person who exists in those same conditions but with access to good medical care which is a bit paradoxical.
The big problem is going to be when someone decides to start spamming and vote manipulating with bot populated private instances that automatically re-spawn themselves under a new name whenever they are blacklisted. Eventually, the standard will have to move to whitelisting over blacklisting, and once that happens the whole premise of federation starts to fall apart.
Maybe we'll move to a system where only upvotes from that home's instance matter. After all karma is meaningless anyway and is just used for short term discoverability, maybe kbin1.social doesn't care how kbin2.social votes on kbin1.social threads (or any lemmy example instance)? If you subscribe to kbin1.social then you hope that they will upvote their content appropriately the same way you expect them to self-moderate appropriately. Dunno, just thinking out loud
It’s not harder than what we’ve had to do with e-mail spam. Which has been enormously successful, with 99% of it not even getting delivered to your spam folder but just dropped entirely.
Instances will het as much visibility as they’ve earned through successful engagement across instances. The visibility of a new instance’s posts will increase over time.
This is why yes, there needs to be a feed algorithm. “Just show it to me chronologically” is the most naive thought, and people still have it all the time. There are just so many fundamental things that need to go into a sorting algo. We’re not even talking about personalization.
E-mail spam filter is funded by google and other multibillion megacorporations though, and they just outright block or rate limit unknown providers. I'd say it's not gonna be as easy to do it with fediverse.
This is why yes, there needs to be a feed algorithm. “Just show it to me chronologically” is the most naive thought
Agreed 100% but again, I wonder if we have enough resources to actually make it good while also keeping it free, both in terms of monetization and in terms of outside influence and biases. Twitter and others spend a lot of manhours on it and mastodon still doesn't have it either for example, it's not even being worked on afaik (or nobody talks about it).
The trick is to find out how to leverage the community for quality signals, and just support that with good foundations.
Spam filtering is done by corporations but they’re not all mega tech companies like Google. A lot of it is done at the network level, too.
DNS has also always been the prime example of a federated service that works so well we can rely on it as a public utility. Why hasn’t it been taken over by bad actors rapidly recycling their identities? It’s not because big tech has thousands of human agents monitoring it at great expense.
I say we give each person one up or down vote on each piece of content. Then, people should be able to sort by the sum of those up or down votes (with up being worth +1 and down being worth -1).
I’m not sure, but I suspect a system like that might have content moderation built into its structure.
I think these problems might be solvable with auto blacklisting instances based on their age, how their users behave and what % of comments and posts of them are flagged as spam
Well non-federated forums can grow by word of mouth and similar. Being federated does lower the barrier of entry for interacting but it’s still possible to visit the instance the old fashioned way. You probably still need to rely mostly on word of mouth anyway, even if you are federated.
Thats the problem. It would be very difficult to get a new instance off the ground unless you were an insider or had inside connections. If you have a cabal of existing admins acting as gate keepers you could keep outsiders from abusing the system easily, but you are also walking right back into the centralized control federation is supposed to prevent.
One thing that is feasible is for established instances to give votes from new instances a lower weight. So, no blacklisting, but until they have been around for a little while to be able to calculate that their activity corresponds to their size and that nothing is off, upvotes and dowvotes could be ignored or given a lower weight.
Yes, age alone shouldn't lead to getting blacklisted. But if an instance is two days old, already 50+ accounts from there were banned on your instance for being bots and besides that there was no real contributions coming from that place, this might be a candidate for auto-blacklisting.
So I went to the website. It explains what it does, but not much how… Or maybe I’m too dumb to get it. Could you explain how the verification happens? How does this system work?
Hey one thing I learned while canvassing for a politician is that it can be really beneficial to repeat yourself when it comes to articulating a message, instead of articulating it once then passing copies.
The more times you write and rewrite the same explanation the better it will get.
and once that happens the whole premise of federation starts to fall apart.
Will it? Even if we get to the point where there’s a whitelisting system, major instances will still be federated. There could be even a transitional small instances federation.
Probably one of the few useful bots ever added to Reddit.
We didn’t need a million and one spelling, grammar and whatever other stupid bots the place got infected with. Hopefully Lemmy doesn’t end up with them either.
I always thought it’s funny to see such a spelling bot on linguistics themed subs where everyone was like “fck you descriptivist” and they were downvoted into oblivion
I didn’t mind the fact that it was there, I was always just annoyed at how useless the memory hints were. Like yeah, of course I could spell “neither” if I just remember the e comes before the i… that’s the problem.
It’s like saying “if you want to be rich just get more money” or “NASCAR is easy cuz it’s all left turns”
…or when sounded like “ay” as in “neighbor” or “weigh”.
Actually, let me double check that with my foreign buddies Keith and Heidi, they’ve got eight children who are all cops and busted a major counterfeit heist the other day. Weird, right?
I mean, I like knowing when I’m saying something incorrectly, and learning the correct way to say it. I value communication through text a lot because I have some issues with communicating verbally, so I like to know how to properly write what I want to say. So I didn’t mind the grammar/spelling bots as long as they were polite about it, they were just providing accessibility to knowledge, at least in my eyes. It was the rude or condescending ones I didn’t like.
That one was good. I also liked the one that counted how many times someone has said the n word, but I do not think the n word is allowed here (which is better).
Tim Walz just said it in a speech. He called the behavior of maga and maga cultists weird. And it stuck.
It probably stuck because it’s an apt description that they don’t like. They have no shame, so trying to actually shame them does not work… which is also weird. The unapologetical and blatant lying is weird… the whole world watches these people and most think… what the fuck…
Before WOKE, they used weird as a term to describe LGBT*, emo and anything else they saw as against their values.
They just looked at other people not like them and said, they’re weird right, and they would all agree.
Well now we’re calling them weird and backing it up by calling out specific actions they know are wrong. Now they’re saying no, no we’re not weird at the same time internally going are we weird? They’re questioning their values just a little. It won’t stick long term or make changes. But they don’t have introspection very often.
Investors are dumb. It’s a hot new tech that looks convincing (since LLMs are designed specifically to appear correct, not be correct), so anything with that buzzword gets a ton of money thrown at it. The same phenomenon has occurred with blockchain, big data, even the World Wide Web. After each bubble bursts, some residue remains that actually might have some value.
Observation: this looks like piss} Question: is this piss?} Hypothesis: this is probably piss} Experiment: drink the piss} Analysis: tastes like piss} Conclusion: it’s piss
I’m all for pedantry, but any human metaphor is clearly referring to a human perspective, and it’s very reasonable to call any temperature that is too high to sustain human life hot.
500 Kelvin is a hot oven that severely burns you if you touch the tray directly. 1000 K is a nice campfire. 1500 K is the upper end of Magma. 2500 K is beyond normal blast furnace temperatures.
The silly thing is comparing the ‘temperature’ of one’s love to it. I mean I get poetic overstatement and I get his idea is to melt the heart of his woman of desire, however this is maybe a bit too literal.
I live in a “first past the post” country that forces a two-party system and penalizes voting your conscience unless it aligns with one of those parties. While there may be flaws in Ranked Choice Voting that could emerge in fringe cases, it is so obviously superior to our current system that it is hard for me to worry too much about the nuance of how it might not be 100% perfect 100% of the time. Any (democratic) system is better than what we have now.
I live in a “first past the post” country that forces a two-party system and penalizes voting your conscience unless it aligns with one of those parties. While there may be flaws in Ranked Choice Voting that could emerge in fringe cases, it is so obviously superior to our current system that it is hard for me to worry too much about the nuance of how it might not be 100% perfect 100% of the time. Any (democratic) system is better than what we have now.
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