Whenever you search for a solution to your problem, it stems from the realization that something is a problem. But sometimes, you have a thing which has been done for a longtime, it was a problem with no solution and you’ve had to accept that. How would you determine one day that things can be done differently and better without constantly reevaluating everything? It’s not realistic.
In my view, it is a perfectly reasonable question to ask “what problem does waydroid solve?” To figure out if you have that issue and you didn’t know of this solution.
Also, Learning is Fun, so here I have a new toy, let’s have fun seeing what I can learn to do with it, then - as you say - that might solve a problem or improve a thing I hadn’t thought of before.
LMAO I was not ready for that. Anyway, genocide is usually the result of a group of people being blamed for another’s problems. Once the blaming starts, it’s easy to dehumanize them to the point where it makes sense to get rid of them.
I’m all for defederating Hexbear, but lemmy.ml is absolutely huge compared to Hexbear. To motivate the community to do that you’d need quite a bit of proof. Or at least something rather compelling. Do you have any proof of what you’re referring to?
Tankies say all kinds of stupid things, but even if we grant the thus-far unproven assumption that the person being addressed there is among them, when they're telling nazis to fuck off that is not an appropriate moment to try and start a pointless fight by asserting that they're wrong about every single thing.
So what? It’s no different from lemmy.world where the vast majority of users pay Palestinians lip service but get buttmad at the suggestion of holding the US government accountable for funding Israel, only because the man in office is their guy. You all are more than happy to sacrifice a few tens of thousands of Palestinians if it means you don’t have to criticize dear leader.
Most of you are gigantic hypocrites on the topic of genocide.
Well I’d be concerned if you didn’t condemn the force committing genocide and blaming it on freedom fighters while feeding the gullible western liberals straight propaganda.
Then i can only infer you’re infantilizing palestinian queer people. The idf is not giving them a choice. Hamas at least fights for their right to live in their own territory.
So Hamas is ideologically perfect and cannot be criticized in your eyes?
Also, Hamas is explicitly not fighting for queer rights. This is an objectively false statement, though I will openly embrace evidence to the contrary.
So Hamas is ideologically perfect and cannot be criticized in your eyes?
“Yeah that’s not what I said.” Do you understand what the ‘critical’ in ‘critical support’ means?
Also, Hamas is explicitly not fighting for queer rights. This is an objectively false statement, though I will openly embrace evidence to the contrary.
“Yeah that’s not what I said.”
I know Hamas is not explicitly fighting for queer rights, they’re fighting for the lives of all Palestinian people. They are explicitly freedom fighters.
On the other hand, the IDF is indescriminately killing any and all Palestinian people, queer or otherwise.
Why do you libs think queer people can’t come to their own conclusions about this?
Why do you think everyone who disagrees with you is a lib? Where I stand, being a leftist means finding both imperialism and religious zealotry abhorrent. But maybe I just didn’t get the newsletter this month.
Believing philosophy is a zero sum game is really just lazy.
It’s not about being wrong or right, it’s that their instance culture is aggressive, immature and arrogant from what I’ve seen. Those meme threads are done obnoxious circlejerks, dear god, I hope they’ve grown out of that at least.
Lmao I’ve also been banned by rimjob from World News over the stupidest shit. And yes, he did cite some bullshit even thought I was clearly within the rules and arguing in good faith. How dare someone stand their ground against Bruce Almighty from World News! Not surprised.
I had a bunch of reasonable posts deleted from World News. I just blocked it but defederating would be way better because then we can rebuild a healthier news community somewhere else.
Yeah… at this point I find insufferable liberals that don’t understand the difference between tankies and fascists nauseating enough to ban you on sight, too.
I don’t know what you all are whining about - tankies are really just liberals who have given up on any pretense of being pro-democratic. After all… isn’t Lenin’s “state capitalism” just another way of preserving your precious status quo?
Asking for proof of what is an open secret on lemmy seems disingenuous.
I think that instances like hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml are very bad advocates for Lemmy and will most likely end up damaging it more than anything else, keeping the “normies” out.
They argue in Bad faith, say the most radical stuff they can think of, and purge anything bad said about totalitarian regimes they idolize. China, Russia, Iran, all considered victims of the evil west…
I was banned from lemmy.ml for posting a meme about the fact that gay characters are removed from movies in China. Not even by a mod. By an admin. I’m not remotely surprised they’re pro-shitheap in general
There is an admin on lemmy.ml that seems to be banning anyone who says anything negative about China. If I’m thinking of the right person, they are also a large contributor to the Lemmy codebase. That person is why I stopped donating to the Lemmy devs.
This kind of stuff is making me consider stopping my donations to the Lemmy project, and instead donating to the Sublinks drop-in replacement developed by the programming.dev instance admins
Hey, I’m the founder of Sublinks. It’s a huge collaboration of several major Lemmy instances like lemmy world, beehaw, discuss.online, programming.dev, and quite a few others that wish not to be named until the release.
Some admins are directly working on the project while others are providing other types of support. @Ategon is certainly a major contributor and has helped develop the new front end in many major ways. You can follow some progress updates here: !sublinks
We have several different teams of developers:
API / Java
Front-end / JS/CSS/HTML
Federation / GoLang
Libraries / JS
Requirements gathering and organization
Design & Graphics - UI/UX
Lemmy to Sublinks migration tools
There is an active community on Matrix where all of us chat: matrix.to/#/#sublinks:discuss.online if anyone is interested in joining. We also have weekly touch bases to discuss progress and next steps. There are tons of people contributing.
We are currently taking donations only through Github: github.com/sponsors/sublinks if you’re truly interested. We’re all working on this part-time in our free time and making fantastic progress.
IF lemmy.ml is admin’d by the Lemmy devs, themselves,
AND their ideology/prejudice is being obstructed by the Lemmy-verse,
THEN wouldn’t it be rational for them to engineer-in to Lemmy, itself, protections for their ideology?
Breaking the Fediverse’s ability to “manage” them?
or breaking the Fediverse’s ability to have any alternative-ideology be its core??
I’m thinking they could either adulterate privacy, deliberately, or they could force blocking to be porous, or something…
IOW, I’m thinking that it is strategically-incompetent to allow tankies to own our core tech, exactly as it is strategically-incompetent to allow right-wing highjackers-of-our-countries to do so.
Yes, but for example if everyone is running the mainline code, and .ml decides they are going to run a version which does not respect federation updates under certain conditions, they could quietly poison the entire fediverse by spoofing updates from other instances. It’s very obvious that they are already selectively federating their modlog, for example. And some other instances already play games with how votes get reported. There is a lot of trust baked into the federation updates, and nobody knows how to exploit that better than dessalines, who is clearly very interested in using the platform to push a specific ideology.
I am absolutely in favor of forking Lemmy to get this out of their hands, fwiw. Specifically for this reason. I think they’ve shown that they are not above poisoning the code base exactly like this.
Hexbear loves to dogpile as well. I’ve seen a couple of raiding threads linking to other threads in Lemmy.ml making fun of whoever. But in reality they’re just directing people over there to shit on someone. At least, that’s what I saw last year, so I’m very distrusting of them.
That and the Lemmy.ml AMA thread where one admin was all buddy buddy with Hexabear users during their federation.
I abandoned an old account because Hexbear bullies followed me around and downvoted everything. Come to think of it, I haven’t posted a single thing since then, and I had a bunch of posts with hundreds of votes.
Check my history, I called them out for the NATO one today and they threw all sorts of random shit at me that was off the central point, just looking for a mistake in my wording.
Yep. They were claiming that Putin invaded Ukraine to stop fascists. And that they were liberators. I was like, why would one fascist care what other fascists do? In the US, our fascist, wealthy Republicans largely supported Hitler till pearl harbor. But I did agree with them that the Soviet Union absolutely liberated many countries against their will post WWII. And that those countries still hold it against them to this day.
The gulags were mentioned and they were like, but but but America jails more! To which I told them that was bad. But the West doesn’t kill millions of prisoners the way they did. And all for political dissent, reminding them of just two weeks ago when Putin had Navalny killed for political dissent.
The absurd thing is, I’m one hundred percent down for Marxism. And largely agree politically with his theory plus some modernization. So technically we would agree on a lot of things there. It’s just the Engles and Lenin bullshit I disagree with, and has shown to have failed. Or caused their downfall historically. But they are primarily leninists, dedicated ideologically to authoritarians and strongmen above all reality.
But they are primarily leninists, dedicated ideologically to authoritarians and strongmen above all reality.
Why does that mean they should be banned? Is speech that we agree with the only permitted speech?
Just because you think they’re wrong doesn’t mean they should be banned. Banning them makes it look like we’re afraid of people reading their points, which gives them power and credibility
People should have free speech, governments shouldn’t have the ability to degrade our platform with shills and LLMs, especially if they’re spreading propaganda for dictatorships.
My response was plenty reasonable given your unreasonable claim that somehow the most powerful country in the word with the most sophisticated media machine got “caught flat-footed” in the modern disinformation game. They were heavily astroturfing reddit as far back as 2013 and have probably been at it for longer: web.archive.org/…/get-ready-for-global-reddit-mee…
You know, unless you think the eglin air force base were just superfans of reddit. That’s just reddit, now imagine more important platforms.
Some operations are more careful than others and I’m sure lessons have been learned since 2013. Meanwhile you think somehow China’s and Russia’s operations are more sophisticated because your media uncovers them?
Literally everyone on this site is an anonymous account. Why would you possibly think that is a relevant point? Plus your account is less than 30 days old, so if we’re going to start questioning users’ motives and origins then perhaps we should start with you
And I watch congressional hearings with intelligence agency leaders. They have affirmed that our messaging (propaganda) efforts on the internet have greatly improved since 2016. Which is evident just from comparing Reddit today to reddit in 2015
I have not commented on whether or not I think they should. Frankly I’m ambivalent. Considering many of the others that have been defederated. I think it’s kind of hypocritical that Lemmy.ml hasn’t. Personally though I don’t have need or desire to defederate them. It’s pretty easy, if annoying to poke holes in their arguments where important.
However it’s important to remember that each server is answerable to it’s community and ownership. If world defederated from lemmy.ml you’d be unaffected. And seeing the disdain lemmy.ml has for many types of speech. I’m not overly motivated to make any case to keep them around either. Offering them what they deny others.
Considering many of the others that have been defederated. I think it’s kind of hypocritical that Lemmy.ml hasn’t.
So what? If it was wrong to defederate from those other instances then this can be wrong as well
However it’s important to remember that each server is answerable to it’s community and ownership
Or, more accurately, answerable to the appearance of a community and ownership. All of the major instances are heavily astroturfed by various state and corporate entities. Which includes both the United States/West and China/Russia. World is western aligned and ML is not. It’s a proxy war in cyberspace, same as occurs on reddit and Twitter and elsewhere. The solution to such a proxy war is not to cede all ground to the West - such action would not promote truth or critical thought
And do you have any proof of that? I’ve not seen anything of the like. I’m Marxist myself. Just not Leninist. I have no major issues on world. I tend to get downvoted about equally from capitalist to leninist. Up voted too. I’ve not noticed any anti-left trend. Anti ml? Sure. But they are not left in any meaningful sense beyond nominally. Authoritarians always ape populist political trends. In order to take advantage of society. Hitler did it, Lenin and Stalin did too. Though, unlike Hitler, I believe Lenin actually genuinely wanted a good outcome. Despite his bad ideology.
I know right, it’s almost like they’re two different people. gasp Wait a minute they are!
Also, I wouldn’t call might makes right heavy philosophical lifting. There are less objectionable bits that Engles contributed. But some of the worst bits that led to the authoritarianism and brutality common in Marxist leninist structures is pretty strongly attached to him.
Are there any particular texts from Engels that you disagree with? I would be interested to know where you think the split is. From my reading, Engels was mostly involved in the philosophical and scientific side of the development of dialectical materialism and it’s application into Marxism. Eg. “Dialectics of Nature”, “The German ideology”, “Feuerbach and the end of German classical philosophy”,“anti-duhring” etc. I’m not sure where the apparent “brutality” is coming from here?
I would like to see proof of how a community doing its own thing of sharing their radical views on their instance is damaging.
I haven’t seen any rampant behavior of lemmy.ml users going to other instances and dogpiling certain posts or comment section. That may be defederation worthy.
The denial of having seen it yourself, is something I don’t believe. Therefore I don’t believe you made your reply in good faith.
Not all of lemmy.ml is a cesspool filled with poisonous cretins, but they (tankies) control the instance at conversational, moderation and administration level. So it will not change, only get worse.
Just like we see with the MAGAts… Once you start drinking your own coolaid… the sky is the limit.
That’s fair. I think most people can make up their own minds looking at the thread, posts contents and then their own experience in the .ml scape compared to the rest of Lemmy.
Leave Germany either your German passport. Enter the US with your US passport. Leave US with you US passport. Re-enter Germany with your German passport. Easy. Unless you are very wealthy the IRS aren’t going to come looking for you on a short stay.
I think one of the major benefits Lemmy has over Reddit is the intentional lack of user karma. I think, on balance, that entire dynamic was more harmful than helpful in the long run. Allowing voting on posts - but not aggregating votes across all comments and posts - still allows community sentiment to be expressed towards comments and conversations, but at the same time prevents the sort of popularity contest bullshit that became so prevalent on Reddit after its nascent years.
Would it be possible to have consistent karma on Lemmy? With instances being able to defederate from one another I thought that would be impossible unless there was some centralized karma counter.
You would see the karma count according to your own instance. Different instances might then disagree about the exact karma count but your own instance should have the right number.
Agreed. Karma was fun when Reddit began because it was truly useless internet points, but quickly fell off as soon as people got too serious about it. Buying/selling accounts with high karma, rules about only posting when you have a karma threshold, and of course the endgame now of buying stock if you have high enough karma. It’s just easier to throw away the whole concept here.
I never understood that… Why did people want karma points? Was it anything more than having ‘liked’ posts? There’s no real value. It’s like when my BIL used to give all the kids brownie points for getting salsa or reading a book.
If you gamify something people with addiction and addiction-adjacent problems will inevitably interact with it in the gamified way. This was the first state of the karma system harming the site.
Then in the second stage once karma started getting more “serious” (preventing users from posting/commenting and being used as an “authenticity” check- what led to farmed and sold accounts) which led to a further breakdown of the karma system.
The underlying issue is despite being an absolutely useless measure in reality- the site itself ascribed value to them and caused people with (what we’d probably refer to as bad) economic incentives to act on that behavior then rationally acted.
Thank you so much for writing this, it articulated a lot of things I’ve been thinking about this past week. So many of us are all spending our most valuable resource, time, trying make this a better place, in whatever way we can, and none of these 4 groups (some of us are members of more than one) deserve any vitriol or negativity for their efforts. We all need to think about ways we can reduce that negativity, and not all of them can be fixed with computer code, or at the admin level. We all need to improve how we interact with people, and treat them the way we’d like to be treated, with a view towards their well-being.
I’d like to follow your good example, and send out my genuine thanks to all the users, admins, developers, those doing server support, and contributors in any form to lemmy, and it’s ecosystem of apps and tools. Members of all of these groups are absolutely vital, and this place is only possible because of our cooperation.
I don’t know about the devs specifically, but maybe advised is a better term. Beehaw themselves don’t really want ro be using Lemmy as it doesn’t have the moderation tools they want.
I know the devs can’t control who uses the software but apparently they want Beehaw to quit using Lemmy. It seems strange to me, especially after reading this comment, that’s why I asked.
Nope it’s “start sending pull requests if you want that stuff so urgently, or use another software, but stop whining”.
Beehaw has quite a number of users and generally community goodwill, I bet they could find a dev or two with some free time on their hands to work on the features they desire so much. That would be a solution-oriented approach. Simply telling the existing lemmy devs “you need to do this now you need to prioritise this” isn’t, no matter how polite the language it’s still entitled AF, and just for double clarity “not solution oriented”, in the FOSS world, means “toxic”.
What, exactly, do you think entitles beehaw to dictate what the lemmy devs should prioritise?
If I’m getting the neighbourhood together to build a playground for the kids, and beehaw comes along and says “You must now build an observation post for my bird watching club”, how would you expect me to respond? Especially while I’m holding up a heavy beam frantically looking for something to rest it on so the whole structure doesn’t collapse?
I think answering “I have no objections to you building that observation post” is a perfectly adequate response. I don’t owe your bird watching club jackshit, and neither do the lemmy devs owe beehaw jackshit.
From what’s in their essay it doesn’t seem like they are dictating what the devs prioritize. Regardless, I don’t see how they could dictate anything since they lack power over the devs. You keep characterizing them in negative ways, what’s that about? I feel like I’m missing something here.
Regardless, I don’t see how they could dictate anything since they lack power over the devs.
Lacking power doesn’t mean that no attempts are made. You can be as polite as you want if I don’t want to build that observation post and you keep pestering me that’s an attempt to dictate what I do with my time. Even just dealing with the pestering is a time sink.
You keep characterizing them in negative ways, what’s that about? I feel like I’m missing something here
I’ve dealt with entitled users before. The wider FLOSS community has oodles of experiences with toxic behaviour from users, nothing about this is new or even surprising if you’ve been in the space for a while, it’s all the same pattern: First they act like they’re paying customers, then you tell them that they’re not (but that patches are welcome), then they say “well I’ll never use your software if your attitude is like that”, then you say “fine with me”, then they either leave or start to shout, at which point you block them. A FLOSS project needs healthy erm ego boundaries or it dies because nothing ever gets done.
FLOSS developers contribute because they want to build a specific thing. Conversely, if you want a specific thing that noone else already built or is excited to build, you have to contribute. There’s no such thing as a free lunch.
The fact that they lack power over the Lemmy team is exactly what this is all about, in my opinion. They are demanding free changes out of people who they have no power over rather than finding programmers to help. They seem to expect to be treated like a client, but that isn’t how FOSS works.
Beehaw doesn’t have the greatest reputation in the Fediverse. Last I checked, their leadership was moaning about users from other instances and making a huge deal about who they wanted to defederate from, then they made posts on other instances when they were first thinking about leaving Lemmy entirely to see if we’d beg them to stay, and now there’s this whole breakdown where they cherry-pick some rude screenshots in an attempt to make their complaints look justified.
Nobody else seems to be causing this much drama. The rest of us are coexisting peacefully and doing fine. There is only one instance that feels like it needs a twelve foot wall and a moat around it, and that’s Beehaw.
I honestly don’t care if they stay or if they go, I just wish I didn’t have to hear them talk about it anymore until they make up their mind.
Beehaw is not causing drama, Lemmy.world and shitjustworks caused drama by filling their instances with turdbrainz. Beehaw literally removed themselves from the equation. That’s deescalation not escalation.
This is all to say: we’ve been given many different channels and suggestions by the developers during our time on this platform for how to influence priorities. However, those priorities still have not materialized even after we used those channels and followed those suggestions–in fact, we’ve often observed our priorities seemingly being derided, played down at times, or to languish.
To me, this sounds like they were repeatedly trying to get the devs to work on what Beehaw wanted, and they are upset that those demands have not been met.
I think a better analogy here would be someone pointing that this is is a really bad neighborhood and you really oughta have a playground fence in the schematic.
Heard where? I heard that Beehaw is considering not using Lemmy, but they’ve said that for a long time without changing still. But maybe they will. But it’s all up to them and they can control their instance how they like :)
Beehaw has just published a thing explaining their current situation and it includes some conversations with Lemmy devs where it looks like they are being told to fuck off and stop being a part of Lemmy: docs.beehaw.org/…/beehaw-lemmy-and-a-vision-of-th…
Both side seems to be frustrated at each other there. Beehaw admins accused lemmy devs of not listening to their requests for better moderation tools, while lemmy devs accused beehaw admins of demanding more work without contributing anything or gave them appreciation. I hope the conflict is just temporary and they can reconcile later when things have cooled off.
The difference between open source vs paid-for software, and the lack of articulation of what entitlement is (and the harm it causes contributors to open source projects), is one of the root reasons for a lot of frustrations this past week. We’ve even added a specific no entitlement clause to our code of conduct a few days ago to try to avoid this in the future.
In short, entitlement is insulting or demanding behavior towards anyone for not doing what you want them to do, or not doing it fast enough.
Lemmy is developed by 2-4 devs, but used by >40k ppl. This massive disparity means it is absolutely impossible for us to solve every issue, and please everyone.
We make no demands on anyone, and don’t force anyone to use lemmy, and encourage ppl to do the open source thing, and improve / work on issues we don’t have time for. We gladly review PRs, as anyone can transparently see on the github.
Some of the beehaw admins on the other hand, are making demands, whilst refusing to do the open source thing and help add the features they’d like added. At this stage we’ve come to an impasse, where they’ll likely just move to another platform, where the developers of that new platform will experience the exact same entitlement timeline: request for features, frustration that they’re not getting completed fast enough, lashing out at developers, a similar developer response, then burnout for all parties.
The only way forward is for people to realize that entitlement has no place in open source, and that making demands on other people is not acceptable for any party.
From my discussion with some beehaw admins and sublinks devs, a problem is they they feel like their code contributions will not even be accepted for lack of shared goals. For example showing voting totals.
I keep saying that the most elegant solution here is to develop a plugin framework, to allow admins to customize their instance experience even when it diverges from the lemmy dev vision. If it’s made software agnostic it would allow people like me scratch our own itches. Ironic I know but it’s for this reason I think this should be one of the main priorities, as it will unleash a lot more Foss power on the project. It’s a big reason why projects like WordPress and godot are having great success
a problem is they they feel like their code contributions will not even be accepted for lack of shared goals. For example showing voting totals.
They’re free to not run the upstream version but their own patched one. Not being willing to write code will certainly not make that feature landing any more likely.
Plugins in Rust are a whole can of worms, what with AOT compiling and static linking, you can’t just monkey patch everything like in PHP. Essentially a plugin system would be a way to organise patches, to dependency inject admin-provided libraries instead of default implementations. Having a collection of patches should help designing such a thing, Personally I wouldn’t even consider designing such a thing before it’s clear what it will need to do, where it needs to provide hooks, also, that it will be used.
Python is a dynamic language just as PHP, you can monkey patch there. Neither are anywhere close to the performance level of Rust or C++. I wouldn’t call their approach better: It’s very brittle, nothing tends to be well-specced, things easily become bug-compatible and a nightmare to maintain.
Godot has fixed extension points, which on top of that are accessible via gdscript or C#, not C++. Things you can hook into. Figuring out for which things that should be possible for, and how the interfaces should look like, is not something where eyeballing works.
Doing it the godot way would be rather pointless with lemmy as there’s no need to extend the server’s functionality while it’s running, you can just replace the whole binary which is way simpler to do but the sensible way to go about it dynamically would be to use wasm. In both cases you’d need to figure out exactly where plugins should be able to hook into, there’s no way around that without eating PHP’s and Python’s performance and maintainability costs. Also, rewrite everything.
There’s no monkey patching needed! There’s way better approaches with signals and events and shit!
Even if there was a performance hit. That’s something for the plugin users to eat. The point is they have the option. Beehaw.org might accept the extra 1ms delay to have the tools they need.
And yes, the effort needed to support plug-ins is worth it. This is why all successful community driven software does it!
Why introduce a dynamic scripting layer if you can dependency-inject a crate, compile your custom version, and replace whatever is running just as if you’d be restarting the server, picking up where it left because all the important stuff is ACID? (Or at least I hope that’s how lemmy works, never actually had a look at the code).
Certainly less development effort, gets as cheap as putting the function to be customised in a lazy static. The difficult part is the API that goes along with it, providing a stable interface to plugin writers because if you don’t have that you can just as well tell people to patch the function directly. And at the same time lemmy’s version number starts with 0 which doesn’t exactly sound compatible with API stability, and bugs need fixing. As such it comes down to the same thing: If people want a plugin system, they’ll have to contribute as dessalines and nutomic seem to be perfectly busy keeping the ship afloat.
Compiling a custom binary can be streamlined (Rust certainly already has a quite painless in-bult mechanism), and you can mix and match dependency injection that’s not an issue. It may not be a fancy wheel but it’s a sturdy wheel and a wheel that doesn’t need to be invented yet.
If you can follow a tutorial and docs to edit a config file and start the server then you can follow a tutorial and docs to edit a config file and start a rebuild script.
Deploy? I’m a programmer, not devops. I’m barred from production.
Erm. Anyway. If you do it right you can have one nix flake that people can edit and the thing itself then decides whether it can use a standard binary or needs to do a custom build, no difference to the admin. The code needs to be compiled one way or the other, with Rust it just happens to be simpler, and just as automatable, to do it ahead of time instead of at runtime.
“if you do this right” sounds like wishful thinking. Sorry but every other software uses plugins for his sort of thing for a reason. As a devops, sysadmin, and developer, what you’re describing sounds absolutely unusable for the vast majority of its target audience.
It’s still plugins. It’s still configurable without need to write code, or know Rust. Just the compilation step occurs ahead of time instead of at runtime.
And plenty of software is written that way btw though more often in the commercial and embedded sector. This goes into the general direction of a Software product line. As you mentioned godot: Game engines also tend to do it, simply for performance reasons. You can implement quest logic in a dynamic layer, but if you need custom physics or such it needs to get baked into the binary. Godot calls those things modules instead of plugins but really it’s the same thing at a different point in compilation time.
You realize Godot supports modules and plugin for a reason, right? Like it would be absolutely inane if Godot asked gamedevs to recompile Godot from source to add shared functionality. And this is with a piece of software that is already aimed at developers and software houses, most of whom are familiar with compiling from source.
Lemmy admins are not software houses. Most barely have enough knowledge to run the ansible playbooks and you’re suggesting they set up CI/CD pipelines!
Like it would be absolutely inane if Godot asked gamedevs to recompile Godot from source to add shared functionality.
They do, for a lot of things: Not everything you can do with modules can be done with plugins, while everything that can be done with plugins can be done with modules. And bevy requires it for everything: If you want a scripting layer you have to bring your own, the project doesn’t, and won’t, provide one. The envisioned editor indeed involves building everything from scratch, not just loading things into a pre-compiled runtime.
and you’re suggesting they set up CI/CD pipelines!
Nah I suggest they run them. Either as-is or after tweaking some knobs. And frankly speaking running a server is not like opening MS Paint, if you don’t have some background technical knowledge if the software doesn’t eat you then the next botnet will.
They do, for a lot of things: Not everything you can do with modules can be done with plugins, while everything that can be done with plugins can be done with modules.
And yet, they support plugins, even through they’re technically unnecessary since modules exist. What a waste of core developer time, eh?
bevy
I mean, there’s a reason why Godot is slowly-but-surely taking over the world of Game Engines and I have never heard of bevy before now. Ease of use and ease of development trumps performance every time (as far as “market share” is concerned).
Nah I suggest they run them. Either as-is or after tweaking some knobs.
Sorry but as someone who does have the extensive experience with those things, there’s nothing accurate about that statement.
if you don’t have some background technical knowledge if the software doesn’t eat you then the next botnet will.
Which is where allowing more developer resources to be injected into the project, with, oh I don’t know, plugins, would help. We’re looking to expand the pool of people who are technically able to run fediverse servers. Not shrink it.
I mean, there’s a reason why Godot is slowly-but-surely taking over the world of Game Engines and I have never heard of bevy before now. Ease of use and ease of development (overall) trumps performance every time.
Godot set out to be an open source unity, bevy set out to finally build an ECS-centric game engine with performance as its top goal. Bevy is also quite a bit younger, and not yet feature complete, but also far from a small hobby project it’s serious business.
We’re looking to expand the pool of people who are technically able to run fediverse servers. Not shrink it.
Why would an admin care if setting a particular setting in a config file causes compilation of a custom binary, or the standard binary, once started, compiling/loading a dynamic plugin? There’s no discernible end-user difference. In both cases you do the equivalent of ./lemmyctl [start|reload] --config my-config.json or such.
I might be a tad out of touch, which can probably be inferred by the , but it’s the concept that matters, and this applies to any daemon: You configure, you start, you possibly change the config, and you tell the thing to reload the config.
On my system everything gets switched all at once with nixos-rebuild switch or home-manager switch: File systems get mounted and unmounted, daemons stopped and started, the whole system gets upgraded if necessary. It can be that easy. If it isn’t, maybe that’s a thing to look into before looking into plugins.
From my discussion with some beehaw admins and sublinks devs, a problem is they they feel like their code contributions will not even be accepted
They’ve never opened a single PR, whilst the github shows us merging tons of PRs from third parties, so that seems like negative speculation on their part.
For example showing voting totals.
The lemmy API already has open vote totals on everything (score, upvote, downvote), and I also made a PR adding a user preference setting for how to display scores for your user.
I believe there’s an open issue for a plugin framework, but that would need to be fully worked out. If it’s just simple preferences, there are tons of sample PRs to learn from.
I’m quite confused about some people’s adverseness to learning Rust; it’s been the voted the most favorite developer language for many years in a row now (for good reason), rust frameworks frequently top the fastest web server benchmarks now, and every real developer has to learn new languages and frameworks every few months to keep up to speed anyway. Just as an example, I was waiting for a messageease(an android keyboard) replacement, and nothing came close. I taught myself kotlin, and android programming, and made one, and I’m an incredibly slow learner and middling programmer.
Speaking or myself, it’s simply a matter of time. Even doing the fediverse stuff I’m already doing is stretching me beyond my limits.
About the prs, ye I don’t want to do the broken telephone here. The point is there’s clearly a sort of disconnect between how welcoming the lemmy developers believe they are and how they are perceived by some other people. It’s not an easy problem to solve tbh and requires some honest discussion in good faith with the affected parties.
About the open voting totals, I remember there was a conflict about this. Weren’t they are some point hidden on the api? As in if you request the overall voting total for a user you alway get 0?
Speaking or myself, it’s simply a matter of time. Even doing the fediverse stuff I’m already doing is stretching me beyond my limits.
It’s exactly the same for us. There are hundreds of open issues for Lemmy and we can’t work on all of them.
By voting totals you mean the karma score? We intentionally decided not to show that because it has many negative effects. It was accidentally still exposed in the api so we removed that.
It’s exactly the same for us. There are hundreds of open issues for Lemmy and we can’t work on all of them.
You misunderstand. For you, lemmy is your full-time job, so working on feature A instead of feature B, is still working on lemmy. For me being a lemmy admin is a side-thing to my main FOSS project, and on top of that I also have my day job.
By voting totals you mean the karma score? We intentionally decided not to show that because it has many negative effects. It was accidentally still exposed in the api so we removed that.
yes exactly. But this is something that you diverge from what other admins might want. So they cannot submit it as a feature even if they want to which is what I was alluding to earlier as to why you might not see the PRs
Sure, thats because we develop for the majority of the userbase and not what some (real or imaginary) admins might want. Its impossible to make everyone happy so we have to choose what works for most people, and hiding karma is clearly very popular.
One thing I have never understood and keep repeating in this context: Beehaw has >7k$ balance. If they really have a few issues that would solve 90% of the problems, why not putting a 500/1000/2000$ bounty of that feature.
I believe they mentioned that in their essay I linked to in this thread yesterday, they looked into starting a bounty system for new features but the Lemmy devs told them not to do it so the idea was abandoned.
“fewer” doesn’t have execute rights, nor does the next command use the fewer in current directory. But, taking all that into account and “doing it right…ish”:
Windows admin here. It was immediately clear to me how this would end:
someone proficient in windows goes back to being a dumb newbie is gonna be frustrating as heck.
being a power user/IT professional most likely means non standard setup
there are very few windows native admins in the linux sphere to test things from a non dev/non user perspective
the companies making „professional“ linux are still not comparable to M$
„professional linux“ would probably be RHEL for you.
you can try and run a windows vm in your linux to try if stuff works then.
your mindset needs to change: you‘re now a guy responsible for implementing rdp correctly, embrace open source and make it work for everyone. See the amount of influence you can actually have.
if you can, consider using windows and linux side by side as long as needed, until stuff works. Find the reasons people abandon windows (i.e. you finally have control).
Just a stream of ideas. Hmu if you have any questions.
your mindset needs to change: you‘re now a guy responsible for implementing rdp correctly, embrace open source and make it work for everyone. See the amount of influence you can actually have.
This is the mind set I need. I was most likely so frustrated at the driver issues by this point, I probably didn’t give it the go it needed. Like I said when it came to compiling a dev branch, I just said f it. Hopefully I’ll get some time in the coming days to approach it with a fresh mindset.
someone proficient in windows goes back to being a dumb newbie is gonna be frustrating as heck.
This was me. I kept thinking Linux was making things “overly complicated” until I really stopped to consider how extremely complicated it is in Windows or MacOS to do anything, we’re just all used to it. Once I re-framed my perspective to that of “a noob that was learning” it made it so much less frustrating and now after learning I see that Linux in most ways does things so much simper.
Now I don’t think it’s ease-of-use issues that prevent people from going with Linux, it’s switching costs. Few have time to learn a new system. Even if it is the easiest to learn.
If you stay away from sketchy sites and don’t click every link that says “DOWNLOAD NOW”, Windows Defender and a web browser with ad-blockers should do their job well enough.
And if you buy a pc with windows preinstalled, remove any anti virus software free trial bullshit that cones with it. Just use Windows defender as it is already enough for most use cases
Covid made things worse, but the fundamentals were bad.
We are in the middle of a massive tightening of the labor market as boomers retire and there aren’t enough young adults to fill the gap. This is causing major ripples in the market, with a very antagonistic relationship forming between capital trying to keep labor costs down and labor tired of the bullshit.
This is causing some mild inflation, so companies are jacking up prices since they have an excuse to. This increased inflation is making the time value of money cost more. So now you have companies that were losing money having to scramble to finally generate a profit. This is causing the enshittification of the Internet and the loss of jobs in the tech sector.
The worse economy is causing political problems as it is harder for politicians to justify their positions in power. This encourages conflict between nations and the justification to deny some people of social benefits to create an underclass to benefit voters.
I agree with this, and I’d like to add that the wealth gap focusing on funneling money to the top is obviously not helping the quality of products, responsible production , or fair compensation for most of the world.
Yeah, but I’m trying to explain why it is happening. You’ve hit market saturation in so many companies when the only way to fuel growth now is to reduce costs.
Cumulative generational focus on acquiring and consolidating capital explains the why comprehensively, at least in the states.
Monopolies, market saturation, minimizing cost at all costs, poor labor compensation are all symptoms of a system focused primarily on acquiring and consolidating capital.
I like my men cute and emotionally attached, none of that one night stand horseshit. There’s glory holes and nasty cum covered adult video cinemas for that sort of thing.
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