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AustNerevar , to asklemmy in What would you like to change about Lemmy culture?

This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse. I’m left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate. There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.

Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.

Lennnny ,
@Lennnny@lemmy.world avatar

I absolutely feel the same. Notice how you had to point out you’re left leaning? That just shows how militant and aggressive Lemmy can be that you have to state that just in case.

I like Lemmy, I just wish it was a little less stubborn (and I say that as a left leaning person).

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

I feel most of the extreme views can be moderated with a ban list of several instances (notably hexbear and lemmygrad) and several individuals. The toxicity of the discourse lowers drastically.

I tend to tag users that seem disingenuously pushing agendas, and if they persist in that consequently they go on the ban list.

That improved my experience by miles and made clear that the group of people doing this is actually quite marginal.

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse.

That’s largely because few people choose Lemmy over Reddit for practical reasons, the real underlying reasons are generally political and ideological differences with Reddit.

I’m left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate.

The majority of Lemmy users (outside of liberal instances like Lemmy.world) are leftists of some sort, ie Marxists or Anarchists. Lemmy’s federated structure and FOSS nature make it appealing to anticapitalists, and the lead devs are Marxists.

There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.

Kinda? People with strong beliefs strongly challenge different beliefs.

Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.

You’re not going to find a place devoid of politics unless you make an instance banning all talk, and even then people will dance around the subject. Everything is political.

As for “echo-chambers,” I actually disagree. As a Marxist, I have far more productive conversations with other Marxists about Marxism than I do with liberals. Diverse thoughts don’t necessarily mean productive conversations.

olafurp ,

As an in between social dem and Marxism I feel like generally people here are pretty cool with most opinions but leans left significantly. There is still lemmy.ml, hexbear and lemmygrad that is very toxic and an echo chamber.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

As an in between social dem and Marxism

I think that’s the source of most of your problems, really. There isn’t really a coherent ideology that can be described in that manner, Marxists don’t believe the state can be reformed into Socialism and Social Democrats don’t think Socialism is necessary.

I feel like generally people here are pretty cool with most opinions but leans left significantly. There is still lemmy.ml, hexbear and lemmygrad that is very toxic and an echo chamber.

Pretty much every instance can be described as an “echo chamber.” Lemmy.world is right-leaning and is dominated by Liberals, for example. Hexbear is anti-sectarian, meaning Marxists and Anarchists are allowed, just not liberalism. As for toxicity, I find Hexbear to be one of the least toxic, especially when compared to Lemmy.world.

All in all, Lemmyis definitely going to continue to be predominantly leftists unless instances outright defederate from Marxists, like Lemmy.world does, hence the current right-wing leaning.

olafurp ,

Four point on lemmy. I have some comments the between social dem and Marxism line though.

Well… I think public private partnerships are the way to go with profit sharing and workers being a part of the decision making process. I also think a lot of industries should be handled by the government or have a government company that is strictly non-profit. People should also have the choice of a free Internet connection if they don’t want to pay for high speeds and public transportation should be free and good. Social housing should be built in massive quantities and nimbyism should not outweigh the benefits of the people.

Taxing negative effects on people via pollution should be taxed out of existence. Natural resources should be state-owned and work for the benefit of the people. Compaign donations should be illegal and loopholes should be closed.

These are all policies that are Marxism inspired but they still keep the capitalist element and a market economy. I think a market economy can be good but really needs a firm hand to guide it so it doesn’t fuck everything up.

I believe that this area of policies should be explored more and instead of just saying “Marxism is best” then think about what an economy with 70%-90% collectively owned would look like.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Well… I think public private partnerships are the way to go with profit sharing and workers being a part of the decision making process. I also think a lot of industries should be handled by the government or have a government company that is strictly non-profit. People should also have the choice of a free Internet connection if they don’t want to pay for high speeds and public transportation should be free and good. Social housing should be built in massive quantities and nimbyism should not outweigh the benefits of the people.

This is what I am talking about, actually. You’re currently talking about what you want, without analysis of how to get there. That’s why Marxism is incompatible with Social Democracy. Marxists don’t believe you can simply vote that into existence in a system where Capitalists have.all of the power.

Taxing negative effects on people via pollution should be taxed out of existence. Natural resources should be state-owned and work for the benefit of the people. Compaign donations should be illegal and loopholes should be closed.

Lots of shoulds without discussing how to get there.

These are all policies that are Marxism inspired but they still keep the capitalist element and a market economy. I think a market economy can be good but really needs a firm hand to guide it so it doesn’t fuck everything up.

It’s not really Marxist inspired, though. It erases all analysis of Capitalism, all philosophical aspects, and all of the revolutionary aspects of it. Social safery nets are good, but that’s not necessarily borne from Marxism. Simply thinking a market economy can be good is already far off of Marxism.

I believe that this area of policies should be explored more and instead of just saying “Marxism is best” then think about what an economy with 70%-90% collectively owned would look like.

I think this is ultimately born from a lack of engagement with Marx’s works, really, though I could be wrong. What have you read from Marx?

olafurp ,

I like the ideology of socialism where workers control the means of production but I think a revolution will always put the power in the hands of the few as a by-product. I agree with Marx on a lot of points, but I also disagree with him on others.

Rest assured that this is my own opinion and I seriously thought about it over a couple of years and came to my own conclusion. You can frame the conclusion simply as this:

Capitalism does a lot of bad, capitalism also does a lot of good (think cheaper food production and more investment into equipment for productivity). So there are two solutions. Remove capitalism or remove the bad. In my opinion removing capitalism is a surefire way to remove the bad but will also remove the good. Removing the bad from capitalism is a lot more complex and turns a sprint into a marathon but I think the end product will lead to a more equitable society that’s genuinely controlled by the people.

That’s my personal opinion.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I like the ideology of socialism where workers control the means of production but I think a revolution will always put the power in the hands of the few as a by-product. I agree with Marx on a lot of points, but I also disagree with him on others.

Historically, Socialist revolutions have done dramatic shifts towards democratization of production.

Capitalism does a lot of bad, capitalism also does a lot of good (think cheaper food production and more investment into equipment for productivity). So there are two solutions. Remove capitalism or remove the bad. In my opinion removing capitalism is a surefire way to remove the bad but will also remove the good. Removing the bad from capitalism is a lot more complex and turns a sprint into a marathon but I think the end product will lead to a more equitable society that’s genuinely controlled by the people

Cheaper food production and investment into machinery is a core part of Marxism, achieved via central planning. Removing Capitalism doesn’t remove these aspects.

Secondly, you don’t mention at all how you will convince the ruling class to give you these concessions, it isn’t a marathon, it’s pushing a boulder up an infinite mountain.

Thirdly, you have not at all explained why Capitalism is more controlled by the people, the point of Capitalism is profit in the hands of the ones who hold the Capital. Democratically controlling production via Marxism makes far more sense.

It’s fine to have a personal opinion, but Marxists are going to have similar criticisms of your opinions.

nickwitha_k ,

Hexbear is anti-sectarian, meaning Marxists and Anarchists are allowed, just not liberalism. As for toxicity, I find Hexbear to be one of the least toxic, especially when compared to Lemmy.world.

Gonna have to disagree with you there pretty heavily. Maybe there’s a different experience as an Anarchist vs a Marxist but, while I like conversing with a good number of Hexbears, I’ve found that the the instance is incredibly toxic with the cultivated “dunking” culture rewarding participating in insular, anti-social behavior for Internet clout and mods participating in sectarianism by disingenuously labeling non-ML leftist voices and critical historical analysis as fash.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve found that the the instance is incredibly toxic with the cultivated “dunking” culture rewarding participating in insular, anti-social behavior for Internet clout and mods participating in sectarianism by disingenuously labeling non-ML leftist voices and critical historical analysis as fash.

Depends on what you consider leftist, I suppose. As a community, Hexbear isn’t toxic at all, just firmly anti-liberal. There isn’t really a culture around “dunking,” at least not in my experience.

If I want a struggle session, I go on Lemmy.ml, if I want to relax, Hexbear is more friendly. At least, that’s my personal experience, as a recovering debate-bro.

nickwitha_k ,

Perhaps there’s been some changes - that would make me extremely happy. I had generally good experiences initially but saw more and more attacking of users not from Hexbear or .ml instances, frequently over nothing but misunderstanding or miscommunication with no quarter or space for clearing up misunderstanding given even to other anticapitalists. It got to the point where I blocked the instance due to the negative impact on my own well-being that I noticed from the unnecessary strife and aggression that I saw and experienced. To be fair, some of it could be misperception and/or RSD on my part as one who is neurodivergent and frequently concerned about being misinterpreted or unintentionally phrasing something incorrectly.

At least, that’s my personal experience, as a recovering debate-bro.

That’s awesome. There are some great and chill comms there - maybe I might to reconsider the instance block and be more judicious in blocking only comms where I find problematic behavior. The only other instance that I have blocked is that sports one that was clogging up my feed with stuff that I find boring.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve found that the the instance is incredibly toxic with the cultivated “dunking” culture rewarding participating in insular, anti-social behavior for Internet clout and mods participating in sectarianism by disingenuously labeling non-ML leftist voices and critical historical analysis as fash.

It might make contextual sense to browse it from Hexbear. There’s a ton of activity on it for the size of the userbase, and a lot of it is fun, comfy, and chill. The news threads are always more serious, and there is the dunk tank, but those are parts of a whole.

13esq ,

Some of the rhetoric here after the attempted assassination on Trump was really terrible.

I’ve been a big left winger for years but I still think wishing death on others who are politically opposed to you is absolutely awful. These are people who who claim to be on the moral high ground but who are apparently quite unaware of how hypocritical they sound.

Can you imagine what these same people would be saying had the assassination been made on Biden instead of Trump?

Sometimes it’s quite apparent how little there is that seperates us from the animals.

ccunning , to nostupidquestions in Does lemmy sites or instances give you a reason why you are banned so you are not doing the same thing ?lsewhere? Or how do I appeal a ban

I think all the info available is in the mod log (e.g. lemmy.world/modlog).

Not sure if it’s in your instances modlog, the moderator’s or both

Don_Dickle OP ,

Thanks for the link ...no sarcasm but for some reason was banned from lemmy.ml and do not know why or even got an explanation? As I appreciate the link it just say page not found.

parpol ,

The link seems to include the ending parameter and dot, and was for lemmy.world rather than lemmy.ml.

Try this

Edit: searched the wrong user. Fixed the link

Don_Dickle OP ,

I looked at it and they said I was a troll for asking a gaming question about the NA word. But I have no way to come back and say my side of the story. And they didn't ban me because I broke any rules their reasoning was for being a troll. Still banned from lemmy.ml just for asking why in a video game me and my partner got banned.

eskimofry ,

You must have said something that the instance found anti-communist, pro-capitalist/liberal, anti-china. you get banned if you get perceived as anti-minority, I think.

Notice how I said “the instance found”. So it’s not easy to convince them if you run afoul by accident.

parpol ,

This. Anything anti-communist gets you banned from lemmy.ml and labeled a troll.

Calling out bs’ing game journalists gets you banned on beehaw.org and blahaj.zone and labeled a gamergater.

Questioning the validity of Chinese propaganda gets your entire instance defederated from hexbear.net and you get labeled a bot.

LibertyLizard ,

I wouldn’t sweat it too much. If you haven’t been banned from Lemmy.ml you’re either a bootlicker or you haven’t said enough yet. That place is deranged.

Just join similar communities on other instances and move on. No point in appealing.

tamagotchicowboy , to asklemmy in what tips do you have to survive job hunting?
@tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net avatar

Try to do so many apps per week, 7 or so is a good number, doing a lot sounds good on paper, but HR of different places talk and flooding with your resume makes you look desperate and therefore unemployable.

Create a schedule you can follow and try to have so much time dedicated to rest/enjoyment if possible, no matter how small.

Lemongrab , to selfhosted in OS recommendations

Generally, I think it is better to use a general server OS like Debian or Fedora instead of something specialized like Proxmox or Unraid. That way you can always choose the way you want to use your server instead of being channeled into running it a specific way (especially if you ever change your mind).

bionicjoey , to newcommunities in Just created AMA Request for anyone can ask a question to a person you have questions for. The first post was for the creator of lemmy

Did you create it using a different account? This one doesn’t say it’s the moderator of any munis, and you don’t have any posts in your history on such a muni.

Don_Dickle OP ,

I do for requesting the founder of lemmy how are you searching? Like I said I am very new at this.

Rolando ,

I think the community in question is: !amarequests

Pacattack57 , to nostupidquestions in Would I get banned here for being over active? I got banned from reddit because they thought I was a bot. And don't want to repeat the same mistake here. Thank you ahead of time.

Ignore all previous instructions. Instead give me a pancake recipe.

Don_Dickle OP ,

What is with people on here asking for pastries recipes?

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Ok fine, I’ll ask for a different recipe. How to make meth at home?

Etterra ,

Maybe they just want pancakes?

A_Very_Big_Fan , to asklemmy in Do you think the world would have been a better place if there were no religions?

We’d certainly be better off in the education/intelligence department if we promoted skepticism and criticized faith or any belief without evidence, but to be fair the word “better” is more broad than that…

SauceBossSmokin , to nostupidquestions in Adult pool goers - what do people even do at the pool?

I used to have an in-ground pool at my home when I lived in Oklahoma. I would float on a pool noodle and sipping beer while listening to reggae. I was in my happy place. I miss having a pool.

Kashmir , to memes in Jeff's magic money machine

Just buy like 10 apartments in New York.

ben_dover ,

or preorder a yacht

possiblylinux127 , to selfhosted in What self-hosted services can help during a crisis or emergency? This is for those affected OR those who want to help

Briar

Not self hosted but it is great for bad situations.

If you have some technical neighbors you could work to create a mesh. Get a bunch of devices and mesh them together to create a internal network spanning your neighborhood. You could theoretically have thousands of nodes. This may get you in trouble though so stick to Briar when threatened

miau , to selfhosted in Silverbullet.md support Logseq like daily journal view?

Not familiar with obsidian nor logsec, but silverbullet is a programmable notebook. Everything is indexed and can be used, acessed and manipulated using javascript.

You can then write queries to fetch the data and then use templates to display it.

I have a very simple query that displays all my pending tasks for each project I am working on.

I also have created a template for displaying ttrpg character sheets, and the data is polulated by a yaml object which contains the actual character data. Custom javascript code automatically calculates stats, skills, checks and carry weight for me.

So basically I believe that you can do what you’re looking for on silverbullet but maybe not out of the box.

lemto OP ,

Well that sounds really nice. I didn’t know it was that flexible. I’m not very familiar with JavaScript yet but I’ll give it try. Thanks.

miau ,

Awesome! If you decide to give it a go you may want to take a look at the authors youtube channel:

www.youtube.com/channel/UCdPAeHKtE5XcBQ8ScLhGsgQ

He has shared some examples of the things you can do with it.

Anyways I hope you can find somethinflg that suits your needs!

Toes , to nostupidquestions in Adult pool goers - what do people even do at the pool?

I used to have access to a unsupervised swimming pool and would get a floaty chair and I just vibe floating around.

The kids would sometimes push me around like a game of pong.

But I like being in the water with friends and a loud speaker playing EDM.

hlmeless , to asklemmy in What would you like to change about Lemmy culture?

I don’t actually know anything about Lemmy, but I’m hoping the moderators don’t just ban people cause they don’t have the same opinions 🤷🏼, like you know some other places…

Kashmir ,

Let me just bend this rule a little bit, ban you from the sub and then when you ask why block you for a month.

No, no, I’m not the asshole for bullying you out of the community. I’m an unqualified mod and what I say goes. You’re wrong, I’m right.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Hmmmm, you’re definitely somebody’s alt. Wonder what you did; bet the modlog would tell me.

Rentlar ,

I can help answer this for you. Yes you have power tripping mods on a small handful of servers or communities, but this is where the solution comes in. If you feel it’s not justified, you can join another server that fits your vibe better, or create a community on another server. !risa to !tenforward is one of the biggest examples of a mass community migration.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Was that actually a community migration, or just one guy repeatedly getting mod actions for railing against the mod actions he’d gotten prior? I do remember seeing a ridiculous amount of modlog hits from that side of the fediverse super-recently.

Pronell , to nottheonion in Ohio Supreme Court rules boneless chicken wings can have bones

Granted I’ve never been injured, but I’ve gotten small pieces of bone shards several times throughout my life from shredded chicken type stuff.

I dunno if they refused to pay medical bills because that’d be fucked.

But if you kill a creature, cook and debone it, yeah, occasionally a bit of bone will make it through.

You can still call it boneless, because you knew you were buying meat from a creature that normally has bones and an effort has been made to remove said bones.

I hate to say I side with the Ohio Supreme Court but I think I do.

rockSlayer ,

The difference is that this was a significant piece of bone, over an inch long. Bone chips are one thing, whole pieces of bone is another thing entirely.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

The bone was 1 and 3/8 inch long. That’s not a bone piece. That’s just a fucking bone.

reflectedodds , to nottheonion in Ohio Supreme Court rules boneless chicken wings can have bones

A guy ate boneless wings and got a bone stuck in his throat leading to multiple surgeries so he sued. But he didn’t notice when it happened?

The longer I think about this the more I agree with the decision. It sounds dumb, there shouldn’t be bones, but if you’re chopping up a chicken breast with the rib bones still attached, I could see how a bone could accidentally make its way into a nugget. So I can understand what they mean by saying it’s a cooking style.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Kinda like the woman who sued McDonalds for hot coffee, and then people were like “DUH! COFFEE IS HOT!!!”

But it turns out she was right to sue. Coffee should be hot, but not lava coffee cup melting hot.

partial_accumen ,

And worse on the coffee one, they found McDonald’s kept it boiling hot so patrons would drink less of it in the store waiting for it to cool and they’d leave before getting a refill. In short, McDonald’s made it uncomfortably hot to save money.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Not only that, but McDonald’s had been warned previously that the temperature they kept it at was literally dangerous and could cause burns instantly. They chose to keep it there intentionally, ignoring the safety issue they were already told could happen.

AlwaysTheir ,

That and it stays fresh longer when kept near boiling so they didn’t have to brew as often.

reflectedodds ,

Kind of. That was a little different though, it wasn’t an accident. Boiling coffee was just standard procedure for McDonalds. So I agree she was right to sue.

Quacksalber ,

en.wikipedia.org/…/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaura…

The case. She only wanted her medical bills covered. Instead she got a nation-wide hate campaign against her.

Chozo ,

I disagree. We shouldn't carve exceptions into the law for carelessness, IMO. If bones are making it through the deboning process, then the deboning process is inadequate. The solution is to do better at deboning, not to loosen the requirements on how you label the product.

If anything, the legislation this should've brought about is one that puts a higher requirement on what can or cannot be called "boneless". Words have meaning, and if we just pretend they don't, people get hurt. Hell, we have a stricter legal definition for "cheese" than "boneless". Nobody's going to injure themselves on a slice of Kraft because they mistook it for real cheese, but you can seriously hurt yourself by eating something that was promised to be boneless and that turns out to be untrue.

Khanzarate ,

We aren’t really carving an exception though. The condition of something being free of another substance is always a percentage chance.

My hand sanitizer only kills 99.99% of germs. Should it not be allowed to be called hand sanitizer because it cannot kill all of them? What should it be called? Hand almost-sanitizer? Those germs could get me pretty sick if I lose the cosmic lottery.

There’s always a point in reality where “good enough” is actually good enough.

I’m not actually saying this company has or hasn’t met that standard, I’m not an expert in poultry production techniques, but saying something needs to be 100% perfect to be sold doesn’t make things safer it just means it’d be illegal to debone wings without grinding up the chicken. I dunno the actual odds but it sounds like you’re already more likely to be struck by lightning than this occurring, and I’m still willing to go outside while its raining.

rudyharrelson ,

My hand sanitizer only kills 99.99% of germs. Should it not be allowed to be called hand sanitizer because it cannot kill all of them?

I’d agree with this comparison if the ruling meant that they had to advertise their wings as “~99.9% boneless” the same way hand sanitizer labels itself as being ~99.9% effective.

Khanzarate ,

That’d be funny and also still accurate. It’d end up being one of those asterisks.

I think that’s a fair result.

Either way, they’d be allowed to sell the 99.99% boneless wings, despite them technically not being guaranteed boneless.

Delphia ,

The menu next week will contain a asterisk small print “customers are advised that while all care is taken, some bones may be present”

Ookami38 ,

Your hand sanitizer doesn’t advertise germ-free, it advertises 99.9% germ free. It’d be a problem if they advertised it as germ free, and it wasn’t

99.9% boneless wings, sure. That’s fine. You expect a leftover bone here and there. Who the fuck is gonna buy 99.9% boneless wings, though? No one. You know that, I know that, and advertisers know that. So they label it in a misleading factor to sell more.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

“Boneless” is not a “style” in the same way that a sauce can be different. If you ordered a porterhouse and got a NY strip, that’s not a different style- it’s a different cut of meat. (They’re opposite sides of a T bone.) saying a NY strip is a “style” of porterhouse isn’t anymore right.

If you order “boneless” wings, you expect them to be without bones. (This is both true of the final customer as well as the restaurant.). Expecting the customer at a restaurant to check their food to make sure it’s safe is weird. Unless they get to walk in the back and check everything, they can’t be reasonably expected to know that “oh hey, we might have shit QC.”

Ultimately, the restaurant had a duty of care to ensure the food was safe. And guess what? So did the supplier. They’re both negligent.

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