Yeah I can’t get past that, Trump is a certified coward. Maybe he was dissociative afterwards? The way he jumps and grabs his ear seems authentic but who knows
Are you really just going to go fully into “it was a false flag” within minutes of an attempted assassination?
Staged it as a political stunt? Him getting grazed by a bullet? While he’s already AHEAD?
Jesus. We’re in dark times. Please keep your wits about you. The project to avoid falling into fascism does not get easier by having more people break with reality.
Yes. Because it’s stage blood and he’s already reported as fine. He’s also desperate and a history of hokey stage acts. He’s an actor turned politician and he knows he can’t win on merit.
While I dont want to debate if it is a false flag or not. Isn’t the play to yell it is fake from every rooftop? Because regardless of the shooters motive, Trump will blame Biden and the radical left.
You know, the thing Blues have been so desperately shouting on all platforms? The “VOOOOTTTTTTT” that incessantly appears here?
I’m not sure why I’m surprised liberals are just rolling over and waiting to die instead of doing literally anything to increase their chance of winning.
Sounds like 2025 isn’t such an existential threat after all to the DNC.
Have you ever heard of the Boy Who Cried Wolf? Trump used up all his “benefit of the doubt” from me. There is nothing he wouldn’t do. Didn’t he say he could ask his followers to murder someone and they’d do it?* What stops him from getting a rabid fanatic to shoot at him and then shoot himself? I don’t think it’s likely at all, but I wouldn’t be surprised. That so many people on Reddit (which is much more conservative than lemmy) think the same, shows that a LOT of people are cynical with him
“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK?” Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. “It’s, like, incredible.”
Sounds like premeditation. I do not think he cares even slightly about the deaths (he didn’t care about Ashli Babbitt). And also I have long suspected he had something to do with his ex wife’s death. He doesn’t really seem to care about people like others. Eg raping a 12 year old. Raping the aforementioned wife when his hair surgery didn’t turn out. The dude is a monster; these are things psychopaths do. He’d do something like this.
Eta: I’ve seen numerous TT Lives specifically asking if it was staged or not. That many many people IMMEDIATELY suspected this at least shows how much this country trusts him. www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNyyJfgh/
If it was a matter of Trump in a rally saying he had been shot at, I’d be right there with you. When all the news media are confirming that there are multiple dead and wounded, people being airlifted, blood in the bleachers, etc., I’m not going to say it was a hoax.
Yeah as info is being released I am thinking it is probably authentic. I still think he’d kill his own people to win the election though, the bodies don’t mean anything - except that there were live bullets fired and i don’t think he’d be okay with that around his precious self. However, most of his family were NOT at this rally.
Pssshhhhhh, only because you’re a sane individual capable of critical thinking! C’mon. We’re trying to throw around baseless claims, and conspiracy theories, becsuse we’re all a bunch of russian propaganda agents only here to sew the seeds of chaos with the intents of crippling other nations!
You’re not going crazy, Aurther, you’re going sane in a crazy world! Some people were destined for greater things! You’re one of those people. Aurther, you can’t hide from it. You’ve got to hug it! HUG YOUR DESTINY AURTHER!!!
If it is actually fake, wait for a while until there’s plenty of evidence about it. Rushing to make such declarations only makes it extremely likely that you fuck up somehow. You can just say that it seems suspicious to you in the meantime.
So you’re saying that what the other guy did wasn’t ok, but you doing the same thing is the correct response…but the other guy is still in the wrong. But not you.
Are you confused how communication works? People communicate how they receive. So I mimicked their style. If they chose to be respectful and ask or suggest they may get a better approach. But if someone is an insufferable asshole, such as yourself, you get an asshole back.
Lots of people care, and they’re all stupidassed shitsucking idiots who claim everything is fake, a setup, or a false flag. Stupidassed, shitsucking idiots.
And on top of that, people on the other side are claiming that the secret services intentionally left Trump exposed to a terrorist attack. Conspiracies are going to thrive on both sides, that will promote sectarianism, and things will get violent sooner.
Well it is interesting that security was so lax for a controversial character and presidential candidate, who is not above violent rhetoric himself, in a country famed for its trigger happy gun nuts.
It’s an argument, not an order. I guess you replied by making it personal, instead of replying with a good counterargument…I guess saying people online are free to speculate is a counterargument…but it does not add much that we don’t already know :)
Yea, it sucks, but I still use it sometimes because lemmy does not have enough movement on some topics…which is funny because when real shit happens reddit borks sooner than lemmy 😁
Don’t encourage these assholes. Have you considered how good this is for him?
If anyone else is thinking about doing this, please do not. With all due respect: you are a fucking idiot and you are not doing anyone a favor except the fascists.
Yes, it is insane, and none of us like that we are all dealing with insane events. Sorry if our responses reflect that we are terrified and pissed off and have no fucking idea how to get back to something that feels normal.
We’ve been so far past the point of sanity (in regards to their actions specifically) that while I would not condone it- I wouldn’t be losing any sleep if they had succeeded.
I don’t think it’ll seal it, but I think the whole Democratic dream of doing nothing and hoping that he says unpopular things and Biden can win without going out in public is completely dead.
We need a healthy, vibrant candidate to run aggressively against him. He can be stopped at the ballot box, but that will need an active, dynamic effort. It won’t happen on it’s own, which was clearly Biden’s campaign’s plan A.
It’s time for him to focus on being president and let Harris go out and make the case that she’s the right person to manage the four years.
It’ll be interesting to see how he responds to this. I think an appropriate message would be something like, ‘This is terrible: assassinations only weaken democracy, and so no matter how great the threat Trump poses, his defeat must be electoral.’
To quote Dubya, I don’t think Biden “does nuance”. I doubt he’s equipped. Perhaps this big event will give him an excuse to exist the race and say it’s because of something other than the debate performance.
Honestly I don’t think anything he says will have much meaning. What has happened tp trump will be foremost in a lot if swing voters mind. Bidens response is just talk.
Look no one is paying you to pretend to care. So you can drop the act of being desperately worried, monocle dropping, about those poor dears in America.
If every single one of those Washington DC fucks died tomorrow it would bother me less than the funny smell my car’s air conditioner is now making. They don’t give a shit about me so why should I give a shit about them?
I hate to say this, but … the shooter IS antifa. That’s what antifa means.
It’s not an organization with member rolls. It’s a term for people who are prepared to fight fascism by any means necessary, which I think it’s clear this person thought they were doing.
It’s a shitty situation to be in if you don’t like fascism. But there’s no use in getting semantic or trying to polish facts. This is where we’re at.
Personally, I have been saying for YEARS now something that seems consistently unpopular but true: “punching Nazis” is strategically ineffective. Justified? Yeah. Gratifying? Surely. A good strategy if you don’t want to live under fascism? Definitively not. It is choosing to embrace a playing field tilted wildly against us. Like it or not, we’re now on that field.
If you’re thinking of buying a gun right now, don’t. Instead, make sure you know all your neighbors by name. Plant gardens and stock up on canned goods. Put your efforts into putting people in positions of local power who are prepared to defend against either state terrorism or militia terrorism.
We cannot win with violence. Violence may be necessary defensively, but as an offensive strategy it is a tactical mistake, and we all need to accept that.
If you try and kill a fascist because you’re opposed to fascism, you’re a black-bloc antifascist. I suppose it could come out that the shooter was purely delusional and was trying to kill Trump for fame or because of hallucinations, but it seems pretty obvious to me that this was political violence against fascism. That’s what antifa means. Am I missing something?
Yes, you’re missing something. You’re asserting something to be 100% true based on no evidence whatsoever. Like you said, it could also be mental illness or something else entirely.
Well, a black bloc is a civil disobedience technique typical to anarchist groups that has nothing to do with allegiance. It’s a tactic of concealing your identity while operating in a group, typically at a direct action event. They all wear all black. And act as a group. Hence the name. It’s not just a catch-all phrase for anti fascist action.
Fair. If you’ve got better terms, let me know. My point is that I think it would be silly to worry that the guy who tried to assassinate a fascist is going to make peaceful, non-violent antifa activists look bad. Using violence to fight fascism is the name of the game, right?
To be clear, I’m not hating on antifa. It’s a strategy, and I don’t like to fight with allies over tactics. But I think it’s silly to be engaged in violent struggle and worry about the bad press of being associated with violent struggle.
Using violence to fight fascism is the name of the game, right?
There is a lot of anarchist rhetoric to justify violence against fascists, primarily because challenging the state’s monopoly on violence is so stigmatized by mainstream politics, but violence isn’t and should never be the primary tool for fighting fascism. Characterizing it as such is gives credibility to the narrative of the right. The spectacle of violence may make it seem over-represented among the wide variety of tactics in use, but the ‘name of the game’ is ‘diversity of tactics.’
Black-bloc is a tactic, specifically a group tactic. If the assassin’s motivation was to stop fascism, they’re antifa through the tautological technicality. But the gunman was not black-bloc.
Maga will use any excuse to crack down on groups that organize under the antifascist banner, but this will definitely be one of them.
That’s a great point: I’m not saying that you have to draw them a footbath. Sometimes violence is necessary. But it’s gotta be part of a larger strategy to remove their sources of power. Domestically, direct physical street confrontations and assassinations seem to usually belie a lack of larger strategic goal.
There is a mass shooting in the US like what…every month? It is a daily occurrence 😞 It was just a matter of time until some psycho got into political rallies after seeing this shit happen in schools, churches, clubs…nowhere is safe for republicans and democrats alike.
Hopefully, this puts gun control back on the center of the campaign…right, guys?
As you may have noticed from what I wrote…I generally don’t approve of shooting into crowds…so I’m slowly gonna distance myself from your comment…like those guys who nervously smile at a racist joke and fade away just to keep the peace… https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/bafdd50c-54d6-4db2-b5a2-c66d86f967d2.webm
I guess you wanna kill me now too? I’m fair game, because your infallible ideolometer has deemed me an undesirable…it’s fine, right? Maybe I was at the rally, maybe I’m black and don’t like getting shot at when I go to any rally, but it’s ok, because you’re a moral prodigy.
i’m sure he does. the difference is that i AM RIGHT (because i’m the one who gets to decide). i guess you let other people make up your mind, huh? pussy.
Yea, it’s fucked up. When there are 10 shootings a month, they don’t care. When they are shot, the world is ending and soon enough you get the
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MAGAs love the upside down flag. It’s actually perfect (for Trump). The upside down flag has become a MAGA symbol of its own, which is a level of irony that I can’t even begin to parse
So I ordered a party player of spicy chicken wings for game night. Figure 7 D&D players no way that is going to be enough. Everyone ended up eating dinner before they came, resulting in lots of leftovers.
Don’t worry, I have a friend with three teenagers. Hate seeing food go to waste and knowing those kids they polished it off in 20 minutes.
Maybe I will make mini pizza bagels next time. Thoughts?