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jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Internal US News is not world news. This is why News and Politics exist.

Caligvla ,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m surprised it took this long for someone to try to kill the guy, especially in the place where there’s more guns than people.

Red1 ,

Damn shame he missed.

Snapz ,

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    afraid_of_zombies ,

    So I ordered a party player of spicy chicken wings for game night. Figure 7 D&D players no way that is going to be enough. Everyone ended up eating dinner before they came, resulting in lots of leftovers.

    Don’t worry, I have a friend with three teenagers. Hate seeing food go to waste and knowing those kids they polished it off in 20 minutes.

    Maybe I will make mini pizza bagels next time. Thoughts?

    morphballganon ,

    Mini pizza bagels are good! Now I want some.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Come to my next game night and you can have enough until you carb pass out

    morphballganon ,

    I am more into Magic than D&D

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Blasphemy

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    do you also do taco Tuesdays? :D

    Gsus4 , (edited )
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    There is a mass shooting in the US like what…every month? It is a daily occurrence 😞 It was just a matter of time until some psycho got into political rallies after seeing this shit happen in schools, churches, clubs…nowhere is safe for republicans and democrats alike.

    Hopefully, this puts gun control back on the center of the campaign…right, guys?

    can ,

    No it’s way more frequent now

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/aa2690ea-ac45-43d1-807c-f8a7edb83e9b.jpeg

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    jfc

    Rivalarrival ,

    Agreed.

    Hopefully, we can get public support for better marksmanship training.

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    As you may have noticed from what I wrote…I generally don’t approve of shooting into crowds…so I’m slowly gonna distance myself from your comment…like those guys who nervously smile at a racist joke and fade away just to keep the peace… https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/bafdd50c-54d6-4db2-b5a2-c66d86f967d2.webm

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    Gsus4 , (edited )
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    whoa little buddy, you don’t know me, who do you think you’re talking to, your mom?

    fukurthumz420 ,

    i read your post. that’s enough for me.

    Gsus4 , (edited )
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    I guess you wanna kill me now too? I’m fair game, because your infallible ideolometer has deemed me an undesirable…it’s fine, right? Maybe I was at the rally, maybe I’m black and don’t like getting shot at when I go to any rally, but it’s ok, because you’re a moral prodigy.

    fukurthumz420 ,

    ultimately, my ideolometer is the only correct one.

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    of course, just like Trump, he always thinks he is right about everything too, you are not so different in that respect.

    fukurthumz420 ,

    i’m sure he does. the difference is that i AM RIGHT (because i’m the one who gets to decide). i guess you let other people make up your mind, huh? pussy.

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    sure, bury your head deeper in your solipsism…

    fukurthumz420 ,

    it is MY reality after all.

    morphballganon ,

    No need to use female genitalia as an insult. Just say coward.

    fukurthumz420 ,

    you’re right. i struggle to find a non offensive word sometimes, but coward definitely works.

    fukurthumz420 ,

    it’s up to you to do your target practice.

    PriorityMotif ,
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    Steve Scalise was shot in 2017 at the congressional Baseball game practice and still refuses to do anything about gun violence.

    Gsus4 , (edited )
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    Yea, it’s fucked up. When there are 10 shootings a month, they don’t care. When they are shot, the world is ending and soon enough you get the

    Palpatine speech:"Citizens of the civilized galaxy, on this day we mark a transition. For a thousand years, the Republic stood as the crowning achievement of civilized beings. But there were those who would set us against one another, and we took up arms to defend our way of life against the Separatists. In so doing, we never suspected that the greatest threat came from within. The Jedi, and some within our own Senate, had conspired to create the shadow of Separatism using one of their own as the enemy’s leader. They had hoped to grind the Republic into ruin. But the hatred in their hearts could not be hidden forever. At last, there came a day when our enemies showed their true natures. The Jedi hoped to unleash their destructive power against the Republic by assassinating the head of government and usurping control of the clone army. But the aims of would-be tyrants were valiantly opposed by those without elitist, dangerous powers. Our loyal clone troopers contained the insurrection within the Jedi Temple and quelled uprisings on a thousand worlds. The remaining Jedi will be hunted down and defeated! Any collaborators will suffer the same fate. These have been trying times, but we have passed the test. The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but I assure you my resolve has never been stronger. The war is over. The Separatists have been defeated, and the Jedi rebellion has been foiled. We stand on the threshold of a new beginning. In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society, which I assure you will last for ten thousand years. An Empire that will continue to be ruled by this august body and a sovereign ruler chosen for life. An Empire ruled by the majority, ruled by a new constitution! By bringing the entire galaxy under one law, one language, and the enlightened guidance of one individual, the corruption that plagued the Republic in its later years will never take root. Regional governors will eliminate the bureaucracy that allowed the Separatist movement to grow unchecked. A strong and growing military will ensure the rule of law. Under the Empire’s New Order, our most cherished beliefs will be safeguarded. We will defend our ideals by force of arms. We will give no ground to our enemies and will stand together against attacks from within or without. Let the enemies of the Empire take heed: those who challenge Imperial resolve will be crushed. We have taken on a task that will be difficult, but the people of the Empire are ready for the challenge. Because of our efforts, the galaxy has traded war for peace and anarchy for stability. Billions of beings now look forward to a secure future. The Empire will grow as more planets feel the call, from the Rim to the wilds of unknown space. Imperial citizens must do their part. Join our grand star fleet. Become the eyes of the Empire by reporting suspected insurrectionists. Travel to the corners of the galaxy to spread the principles of the New Order to barbarians. Build monuments and technical wonders that will speak of our glory for generations to come. The clone troopers, now proudly wearing the name of Imperial stormtroopers, have tackled the dangerous work of fighting our enemies on the front lines. Many have died in their devotion to the Empire. Imperial citizens would do well to remember their example. The New Order of peace has triumphed over the shadowy secrecy of shameful magicians. The direction of our course is clear. I will lead the Empire to glories beyond imagining. We have been tested, but we have emerged stronger. We move forward as one people: the Imperial citizens of the first Galactic Empire. We will prevail. Ten thousand years of peace begins today."

    Coskii , (edited )
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    There are ‘mass shootings’ daily weekly depending on your criteria. From some articles it’s any shooting that involves or injures more than 3 people.

    The real question is how massive is a mass?

    Edit: there’s a chart on the wikipedia, apparently there were no mass shootings on July 2nd and 3rd this year in the United States of America

    Gsus4 , (edited )
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    What happened yesterday happens 10 50 times a month in the US en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_… (look at the table by the guy below)

    Coskii ,
    @Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I’m counting 35 for the month of July so far. Or 24 is we’re going 5+ Injured/dead

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    sorry, I misread the table, I focused on the column with number of days without shootings 😒

    Coskii ,
    @Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    It’s all good, we got there in the end.

    bigbadmoose ,

    https://media0.giphy.com/media/km2mais9qzYI/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952bq7s0sv3mtxe0gj4zpyfm61jveeab4okeehnxym6&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

    Thteven ,
    @Thteven@lemmy.world avatar

    What a sad day for democracy. He lived.

    Cyberjin ,

    How can you say that? Shooting someone you don’t like, isn’t democracy

    Thteven ,
    @Thteven@lemmy.world avatar

    Stamping out fascism is necessary for a healthy democracy.

    Cyberjin ,

    Don’t you think it’s wild that you could have the same mindset as the shooter?

    Thteven ,
    @Thteven@lemmy.world avatar

    Not really, I’m not the one taking shots at people.

    morphballganon ,

    If you understood the threat of fascism, you would be on the other side.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Look no one is paying you to pretend to care. So you can drop the act of being desperately worried, monocle dropping, about those poor dears in America.

    If every single one of those Washington DC fucks died tomorrow it would bother me less than the funny smell my car’s air conditioner is now making. They don’t give a shit about me so why should I give a shit about them?

    Cyberjin ,

    It doesn’t bother you, that’s fine, but going so far wishes for it that’s pretty sick mindset.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Yeah yeah I suck, get in line and take a number. At least I am not putting on a show of how noble and wonderful I am, unlike some people.

    Cyberjin ,

    Okay?

    Fubarberry ,
    @Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Two audience members hit, one dead the other in serious condition.

    Shooter is also dead.

    Noerttipertti ,

    Shooter is also dead.

    So, no one to interrogate. Convinient.

    agamemnonymous ,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    As Adrian Veidt said, “He’s got a poison capsule. Don’t bite down! Don’t bite down you scum. I want to know who sent you.”

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Thoughts and prayers

    Zeratul ,

    https://lemmus.org/pictrs/image/b389c0ec-8876-4931-b6cb-103cd5fb9c23.webp History.

    MelonYellow ,
    @MelonYellow@lemmy.ca avatar

    I hate how good this looks. Ugh.

    Sludgeyy ,

    Except the upside-down flag

    Cryophilia ,

    MAGAs love the upside down flag. It’s actually perfect (for Trump). The upside down flag has become a MAGA symbol of its own, which is a level of irony that I can’t even begin to parse

    morphballganon ,

    Anyone in a position to be swayed by today’s events would be more compelled by the flag’s presence than its orientation.

    ChillPenguin ,

    Well, this is how democracy falls…

    empireOfLove2 ,
    @empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    We finally had a chance and the fucker missed? Sigh…

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Biden can always try again another day. It’s legal.

    tiefling , (edited )

    Biden should (posthumously) pardon the shooter with his newfound powers, but he won’t because he has the spine of a slug

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It would have to be a posthumous pardon, so I don’t think it would matter.

    ArmokGoB ,

    The shooter is dead.

    Zeratul ,

    With no sarcasm

    LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    In another reality, they didn’t miss

    empireOfLove2 ,
    @empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    i would like to apply to change realities

    LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    Super same, I’d like a world where Gore won pls ty

    Or where Reagan and Nixon didn’t exist

    andrewrgross ,

    Don’t encourage these assholes. Have you considered how good this is for him?

    If anyone else is thinking about doing this, please do not. With all due respect: you are a fucking idiot and you are not doing anyone a favor except the fascists.

    Cyberjin ,

    I’m not American, I don’t have a horse in this race. But it’s actually insane you people are saying stuff like this.

    FanciestPants ,

    Yes, it is insane, and none of us like that we are all dealing with insane events. Sorry if our responses reflect that we are terrified and pissed off and have no fucking idea how to get back to something that feels normal.

    empireOfLove2 ,
    @empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    We’ve been so far past the point of sanity (in regards to their actions specifically) that while I would not condone it- I wouldn’t be losing any sleep if they had succeeded.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Meh I won’t lose any sleep over it

    FelixCress ,

    My thoughts exactly

    en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Georg_Elser&…

    Zeratul ,

    Holy shit. I fear this is going to seal the win for him.

    andrewrgross ,

    I don’t think it’ll seal it, but I think the whole Democratic dream of doing nothing and hoping that he says unpopular things and Biden can win without going out in public is completely dead.

    We need a healthy, vibrant candidate to run aggressively against him. He can be stopped at the ballot box, but that will need an active, dynamic effort. It won’t happen on it’s own, which was clearly Biden’s campaign’s plan A.

    It’s time for him to focus on being president and let Harris go out and make the case that she’s the right person to manage the four years.

    fine_sandy_bottom ,

    Yep. Harris is the only viable option.

    Biden was losing before this but he’s definitely lost now.

    andrewrgross ,

    It’ll be interesting to see how he responds to this. I think an appropriate message would be something like, ‘This is terrible: assassinations only weaken democracy, and so no matter how great the threat Trump poses, his defeat must be electoral.’

    To quote Dubya, I don’t think Biden “does nuance”. I doubt he’s equipped. Perhaps this big event will give him an excuse to exist the race and say it’s because of something other than the debate performance.

    fine_sandy_bottom ,

    Honestly I don’t think anything he says will have much meaning. What has happened tp trump will be foremost in a lot if swing voters mind. Bidens response is just talk.

    Cryophilia ,

    The shooter is going to go down in history as “the guy who fucking missed”.

    Telodzrum ,

    Hinkley

    randomaccount43543 ,

    C-SPAN video: www.c-span.org/video/?c5123735/shots-fired-trump-…

    dubyakay ,

    Admiral adblock blocker on an org website.

    MelonYellow ,
    @MelonYellow@lemmy.ca avatar

    Every day this country is heading towards a fucking civil war

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    This is what the right wants. That’s why they staged it as a publicity stunt. He has the same fist pump and everything.

    youtu.be/jkghtyxZ6rc?si=VhWUqWJuxiopFU6g

    Tyfud ,

    This was a photo op, exactly.

    Who fist pumps while being hauled away by USSS? Especially one that’s demonstrated true cowardice over trivial things in the past.

    LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah I can’t get past that, Trump is a certified coward. Maybe he was dissociative afterwards? The way he jumps and grabs his ear seems authentic but who knows

    nickhammes ,

    It’s not evidence that this was staged, but it does seem rather like evidence that he had a plan in the event someone tried this.

    andrewrgross ,

    Are you really just going to go fully into “it was a false flag” within minutes of an attempted assassination?

    Staged it as a political stunt? Him getting grazed by a bullet? While he’s already AHEAD?

    Jesus. We’re in dark times. Please keep your wits about you. The project to avoid falling into fascism does not get easier by having more people break with reality.

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes. Because it’s stage blood and he’s already reported as fine. He’s also desperate and a history of hokey stage acts. He’s an actor turned politician and he knows he can’t win on merit.

    andrewrgross ,

    Was the shooter a crisis actor? Did he fake this because he’s planning to rig the election?

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    How the fuck would I know? You can’t accept that people know that he’s desperate and did this same shtick at WrestleMania lol

    kevindqc ,

    What?!?! He staged something in a staged show? Holy fucking shit now I believe this was a conspiracy

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    Maybe he was one of the kids from Sandy Hook!

    …god I can’t stand alex jones. Glad he was put into ruins.

    chakan2 ,
    @chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

    Uh…I don’t know if you’re keeping up on current events, but he was already up 8 points before he was shot.

    This sealed the election.

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    Why would I be commenting on the election when I think he staged a shot? You are making it about the election, not me.

    AFKBRBChocolate ,

    Thank you. The number of people insisting that it’s fake is insane. There are reports that the shooter and an audience member are dead.

    Badeendje ,
    @Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

    While I dont want to debate if it is a false flag or not. Isn’t the play to yell it is fake from every rooftop? Because regardless of the shooters motive, Trump will blame Biden and the radical left.

    andrewrgross ,

    With all due respect… Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

    SOMETHINGSWRONG ,

    They’re talking about how to win an election.

    You know, the thing Blues have been so desperately shouting on all platforms? The “VOOOOTTTTTTT” that incessantly appears here?

    I’m not sure why I’m surprised liberals are just rolling over and waiting to die instead of doing literally anything to increase their chance of winning.

    Sounds like 2025 isn’t such an existential threat after all to the DNC.

    AFKBRBChocolate ,

    Except the shooter is dead, as is an audience member

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m sure they didn’t think of that…

    LustyArgonianMana , (edited )
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    Have you ever heard of the Boy Who Cried Wolf? Trump used up all his “benefit of the doubt” from me. There is nothing he wouldn’t do. Didn’t he say he could ask his followers to murder someone and they’d do it?* What stops him from getting a rabid fanatic to shoot at him and then shoot himself? I don’t think it’s likely at all, but I wouldn’t be surprised. That so many people on Reddit (which is much more conservative than lemmy) think the same, shows that a LOT of people are cynical with him

    “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK?” Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. “It’s, like, incredible.”

    Sounds like premeditation. I do not think he cares even slightly about the deaths (he didn’t care about Ashli Babbitt). And also I have long suspected he had something to do with his ex wife’s death. He doesn’t really seem to care about people like others. Eg raping a 12 year old. Raping the aforementioned wife when his hair surgery didn’t turn out. The dude is a monster; these are things psychopaths do. He’d do something like this.

    Eta: I’ve seen numerous TT Lives specifically asking if it was staged or not. That many many people IMMEDIATELY suspected this at least shows how much this country trusts him. www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNyyJfgh/

    AFKBRBChocolate ,

    If it was a matter of Trump in a rally saying he had been shot at, I’d be right there with you. When all the news media are confirming that there are multiple dead and wounded, people being airlifted, blood in the bleachers, etc., I’m not going to say it was a hoax.

    LustyArgonianMana , (edited )
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah as info is being released I am thinking it is probably authentic. I still think he’d kill his own people to win the election though, the bodies don’t mean anything - except that there were live bullets fired and i don’t think he’d be okay with that around his precious self. However, most of his family were NOT at this rally.

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    Pssshhhhhh, only because you’re a sane individual capable of critical thinking! C’mon. We’re trying to throw around baseless claims, and conspiracy theories, becsuse we’re all a bunch of russian propaganda agents only here to sew the seeds of chaos with the intents of crippling other nations!

    Oops…I said the quiet part out loud!

    AFKBRBChocolate ,

    I’m not endorsing the “sane” part, but yeah

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    You’re not going crazy, Aurther, you’re going sane in a crazy world! Some people were destined for greater things! You’re one of those people. Aurther, you can’t hide from it. You’ve got to hug it! HUG YOUR DESTINY AURTHER!!!

    …hug it…

    SuddenDownpour ,

    If it is actually fake, wait for a while until there’s plenty of evidence about it. Rushing to make such declarations only makes it extremely likely that you fuck up somehow. You can just say that it seems suspicious to you in the meantime.

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s the Internet. Who the fuck cares? I’m some random person that thinks it’s fake. Stop telling people how to live their lives and go live your own.

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    Aren’t YOU telling the other guy how to live their life?

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    Only after he did first. Almost like I’m responding how they chose to communicate.

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    So you’re saying that what the other guy did wasn’t ok, but you doing the same thing is the correct response…but the other guy is still in the wrong. But not you.

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    Are you confused how communication works? People communicate how they receive. So I mimicked their style. If they chose to be respectful and ask or suggest they may get a better approach. But if someone is an insufferable asshole, such as yourself, you get an asshole back.

    4am ,

    No. Shut the fuck up you moron.

    jordanlund ,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    Removed, civility.

    FreakinSteve ,

    Lots of people care, and they’re all stupidassed shitsucking idiots who claim everything is fake, a setup, or a false flag. Stupidassed, shitsucking idiots.

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    Well then go call people who do. Because I don’t. I think it’s staged and I’m allowed to. If you don’t like it go and change the world.

    SuddenDownpour ,

    And on top of that, people on the other side are claiming that the secret services intentionally left Trump exposed to a terrorist attack. Conspiracies are going to thrive on both sides, that will promote sectarianism, and things will get violent sooner.

    wurzelgummidge ,

    Well it is interesting that security was so lax for a controversial character and presidential candidate, who is not above violent rhetoric himself, in a country famed for its trigger happy gun nuts.

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    It’s an argument, not an order. I guess you replied by making it personal, instead of replying with a good counterargument…I guess saying people online are free to speculate is a counterargument…but it does not add much that we don’t already know :)

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    Well I think that is obvious to anyone. I guess I forgot how stupid most people are. Good point.

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    I didn’t mind it, the conspiracy sub on reddit crashed, lol, but I know it’s like eating junk food :P

    GladiusB ,
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    Reddit is dead to me. I don’t generally believe in conspiracies anyways. Most are easily explained.

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    Yea, it sucks, but I still use it sometimes because lemmy does not have enough movement on some topics…which is funny because when real shit happens reddit borks sooner than lemmy 😁

    GladiusB ,
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    Reddit just sucks I find IG better for memes than Reddit nowadays.

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    WanderingVentra ,

    That’s the question, isn’t it? He’s old so it’s hard to tell. This is coming out so fast.

    runeko ,
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    He reached up to his ear before he went down.

    WanderingVentra ,

    Ah. Then looks like it either really was that close or it’s staged.

    otter OP ,

    It could also be an injury from the secret service

    uclahealth.org/…/skin-gets-thinner-as-people-age

    AFKBRBChocolate ,

    Except he grabs his ear before the USSS tackle him

    ricdeh ,
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    Considering that he reached for his right ear (the subsequently bleeding one) before he fell, it must’ve been a bullet that flew really close.

    LustyArgonianMana ,
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    Ugh Trump is now going to portray himself as a hero

    Gsus4 , (edited )
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    At least wait until they say they claim the shooter was “antifa” without any evidence.

    andrewrgross , (edited )

    I hate to say this, but … the shooter IS antifa. That’s what antifa means.

    It’s not an organization with member rolls. It’s a term for people who are prepared to fight fascism by any means necessary, which I think it’s clear this person thought they were doing.

    It’s a shitty situation to be in if you don’t like fascism. But there’s no use in getting semantic or trying to polish facts. This is where we’re at.

    Personally, I have been saying for YEARS now something that seems consistently unpopular but true: “punching Nazis” is strategically ineffective. Justified? Yeah. Gratifying? Surely. A good strategy if you don’t want to live under fascism? Definitively not. It is choosing to embrace a playing field tilted wildly against us. Like it or not, we’re now on that field.

    If you’re thinking of buying a gun right now, don’t. Instead, make sure you know all your neighbors by name. Plant gardens and stock up on canned goods. Put your efforts into putting people in positions of local power who are prepared to defend against either state terrorism or militia terrorism.

    We cannot win with violence. Violence may be necessary defensively, but as an offensive strategy it is a tactical mistake, and we all need to accept that.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    the shooter IS antifa

    Sure would be nice if we could wait for the facts to come out instead of just pulling shit out of our asses like it’s immutable truth.

    andrewrgross ,

    I’m saying that it’s tautological.

    If you try and kill a fascist because you’re opposed to fascism, you’re a black-bloc antifascist. I suppose it could come out that the shooter was purely delusional and was trying to kill Trump for fame or because of hallucinations, but it seems pretty obvious to me that this was political violence against fascism. That’s what antifa means. Am I missing something?

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, you’re missing something. You’re asserting something to be 100% true based on no evidence whatsoever. Like you said, it could also be mental illness or something else entirely.

    andrewrgross ,

    You know what? I guess that’s fair.

    I guess we’ll likely see.

    TheFriar ,

    Well, a black bloc is a civil disobedience technique typical to anarchist groups that has nothing to do with allegiance. It’s a tactic of concealing your identity while operating in a group, typically at a direct action event. They all wear all black. And act as a group. Hence the name. It’s not just a catch-all phrase for anti fascist action.

    andrewrgross ,

    Fair. If you’ve got better terms, let me know. My point is that I think it would be silly to worry that the guy who tried to assassinate a fascist is going to make peaceful, non-violent antifa activists look bad. Using violence to fight fascism is the name of the game, right?

    To be clear, I’m not hating on antifa. It’s a strategy, and I don’t like to fight with allies over tactics. But I think it’s silly to be engaged in violent struggle and worry about the bad press of being associated with violent struggle.

    Five ,

    Using violence to fight fascism is the name of the game, right?

    There is a lot of anarchist rhetoric to justify violence against fascists, primarily because challenging the state’s monopoly on violence is so stigmatized by mainstream politics, but violence isn’t and should never be the primary tool for fighting fascism. Characterizing it as such is gives credibility to the narrative of the right. The spectacle of violence may make it seem over-represented among the wide variety of tactics in use, but the ‘name of the game’ is ‘diversity of tactics.’

    Cryophilia , (edited )

    I suppose it could come out that the shooter was purely delusional and was trying to kill Trump for fame or because of hallucinations

    MAGA types are so divorced from reality that I think it’s premature to totally dismiss this possibility.

    Edit: fuckin comment AGED LIKE WINE

    andrewrgross ,

    Yeah, on reflection, I agree.

    Cryophilia ,

    Multiple news outlets reporting shooter is a Republican lol

    Five , (edited )

    Black-bloc is a tactic, specifically a group tactic. If the assassin’s motivation was to stop fascism, they’re antifa through the tautological technicality. But the gunman was not black-bloc.

    Maga will use any excuse to crack down on groups that organize under the antifascist banner, but this will definitely be one of them.

    Edit: Someone has already made this point, sorry to duplicate it.

    MrSpArkle ,

    I agree with your tautology, and it is an interesting point. I also agree with building communities.

    I also agree with the fact that punching Nazis is ineffective.

    I think the allies in WW2 brought other things to bear to solve that problem.

    Gsus4 ,
    @Gsus4@programming.dev avatar

    Punching them before they punch you would certainly be counterproductive.

    andrewrgross ,

    That’s a great point: I’m not saying that you have to draw them a footbath. Sometimes violence is necessary. But it’s gotta be part of a larger strategy to remove their sources of power. Domestically, direct physical street confrontations and assassinations seem to usually belie a lack of larger strategic goal.

    Drusas ,

    How did it manage to barely clip his ear and not hit someone behind him, I wonder.

    NJSpradlin ,

    He was turned to the left side as the round struck him on the right, the shot came from either the left or right side, not forward.

    Edit: False-flag is a possibility, for sure. But, this explains why others might not have been hit around him.

    AFKBRBChocolate ,

    Not sure where they were, but there are reports that an audience member is dead

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Thoughts and prayers

    BackOnMyBS ,
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

    There were several innocent bystanders that were shot. One is already proclaimed dead.

    Drusas ,

    Ah. This was not known when I posted.

    andrewrgross ,

    It did hit someone behind him. The local medical examiner told the Washington Post that a member of the audience died.

    Drusas ,

    Ah. This was not known when I posted.

    Zeratul ,

    This was an audience member killed by the secret service. No one was hit behind Trump by stray bullets from the assassination attempt

    _edge ,

    If a bullet was that close, where did it go. Maybe the camera angle, but looks densely crowded.

    ricdeh ,
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    Just wanted to post. Looks like he has a ruptured eardrum?

    Rivalarrival ,

    Mawp.

    morphballganon ,

    From a shockwave or something?

    If the bullet itself hit the eardrum, he would not have been able to stay standing, as that would be a skull fracture at the very least.

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