There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

mke , (edited )

I think some people overestimate how many will migrate to Firefox in the near future over this.

  • High switching cost compared to finding another extension (e.g. uBO Lite), even if the resulting experience is worse.
  • Just as many Firefox users like Firefox, lots of Chrome users enjoy what they have too. They don’t want to lose that.
  • The kind of tech-aware person who’d switch over this is much more likely to have seen the news months ago and taken action already.

As fun as it is to imagine an Adpocalypse shocking the masses and pushing them to try out alternatives to big tech, it’s also way too optimistic, I feel.

downpunxx ,

I haven't watched a single YouTube advertisement in 5 years

Dagamant ,

I’ve been on Firefox since manifest v3 was announced. Firefox has its own shortcomings but no dealbreakers.

thanks_shakey_snake ,

What are some shortcomings in your view?

saltesc ,

I don’t like the lack of customisability. I’ve been using Vivaldi for a long time now and nothing comes close to how customisable and feature-packed it is. Everything can be set up and tweaked exactly how I want. My version of Vivaldi would look, feel, and act entirely different to someone else’s, because it does what I want, not the other way around.

Unfortunately, it’s Chromium-based. But the developers have been working on its native ad blocker in case extensions are impacted. They’re quite a brilliant bunch, so I’m hoping it all goes smooth. I really don’t want to have to go back to Firefox if I can help it. I can’t stand UX for the masses and these guys get it.

Ilandar ,

Yeah, same with people here declaring the death of reddit, or Twitter, or any of these massive, mainstream services. People in bubbles (and Lemmy is definitely a bubble) always seem to underestimate how little everyone else cares or even knows about the things that are important to them. The service needs to be extremely bad in a user experience way, not an ethical way, for an extended period of time and there needs to be a big social movement where lots of people migrate to a direct and equivalent competitor within a short space of time. Most people will not do it on their own, they will wait until they see their peers doing it and only then can a migration start to snowball.

TheGrandNagus ,

“Netflix will die when they ban account sharing!!” - Reddit/Lemmy/Techtubers

Netflix actually went on to have a massive jump in revenue, because most normal people can’t be arsed to set up a Plex/Emby/Jellyfin server and buy a shitload of storage.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

If large numbers of people were going to switch browsers over an ad-blocking extension, the whole advertising industry would be significantly less successful than it is.

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

There’s also other chromium browsers with built-in ad-blocking that still work AFAIK. If all extensions and forked brower’s ad-blockers stopped working, I think there would probably be a surge in firefox usage (even if there’s not that much change in chromium usage).

kautau ,

Yeah I use Vivaldi as my daily driver and love it. There’s built in ad blocking but it’s not as good as the extension. If the extension stops working there I’ll switch to Firefox in a heartbeat though

floofloof ,

As a supporter of Firefox and FOSS, the closed-source, Chromium-based Vivaldi is my guilty pleasure. It has the best UI experience I’ve found on a browser, and the company behind it doesn’t seem to be very evil.

kautau ,

Yeah the founders are ex-Opera devs who left after the company was acquired by Qihoo 360, and the power user UI features are leagues ahead of other browsers I’ve tried. I wish Firefox developer edition would embrace of a philosophy of a more customizable UI centered around power users

mke , (edited )

Leaving Vivaldi was a sad moment for me. That UI, that sidebar, the settings, those features…! Goodness. I’m an avid enjoyer of bells and whistles, and Vivaldi’s got all of them and then some. I miss that a bit.

The folks working on it seem great, check their blog for their decision track record 1 2 3. Did you know they also host a mastodon instance? Literally my only issue with it is the engine, and that just so unluckily happens to be a deal breaker.

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

Vivaldi is cool. I installed it (for those who wanted a chromium browser) and FF on all the work computers where I work. Eventually uninstalled it because people started playing Vivaldia. Disabled Edge, so now they are FF only.

avatar ,

Is there any other browser that does a right-side vertical tab bar with compact tabs?

There’s an extension for Firefox to do it, but it’s a bit clunkier than Vivaldi’s - definitely something I’d only switch to if I really had to… but every other browser I’ve seen only offers left-side vertical tabs at best, which is terrible if you want 3 monitors in a left-to-right layout with your browser on the left.

Morphit ,
@Morphit@feddit.uk avatar

I think what you want is in Firefox nightly right now: …mozilla.org/…/firefox-sidebar-and-vertical-tabs-…

That expands and compacts based on the sidebar state and can be flipped to the right side of the window in the ‘customise sidebar’ settings.

paraphrand ,

And then there are Safari users who are watching from the sidelines.

mrvictory1 ,

1 year ago I had basically free Spotify Premium because Safari was unable to play ads. That’s a kind of ad blocking.

paraphrand ,

And you ran zero ad blockers in Safari and on your network?

mrvictory1 ,

No ad blocker. This bug started to break song playback on Safari (according to Spotify’s forums, I faced no such problem) and then it was fixed so I got ads.

moonburster ,

My friends will stick to chrome, I switched to Firefox months ago. You’re right

ahto ,

Not to mention all the people who don’t even have an adblocker and for some reason don’t seem to care that their web browsing is infested with ads.

mke ,

A lot of people don’t even know it’s an option, or have grown to believe that’s just how the web is. When was the last time you saw adblockers in mainstream media or news?

This is why I think it’s so important to keep raising awareness. If you have people in your life who you believe would be better off using uBlock, consider bringing it up when you have the opportunity.

floofloof ,

Hopefully it will give Firefox a bit of a boost anyway. Firefox needs a boost.

cmhe ,
  • Just as some Firefox users like Firefox, many Chrome users enjoy what they have too. They don’t want to lose that.

Do you have some source for that? IIUC, you mean that more Chrome users like Chrome than Firefox users like Firefox, right?

mke ,

No. I simply meant that there exist Chrome users who appreciate what it provides them (features, UI, etc), so for these users to leave they’d have to give up those things. That’s always a hard ask.

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

“Some people like things.”

SOURCE?!

cmhe , (edited )

“Some firefox users like firefox” vs “many chrome users enjoy what they have” sounds to me like something that could have a source. Many sound to me more than some, so this is a comparison, which can be given a better foundation by supplying some numbers.

mke ,

I thought that might’ve been the source of your misunderstanding. Sorry, that’s just how I write sometimes, no deeper meaning intended. As far as I know there’s no public data on what percentage of Firefox and Chrome users like their browsers’ features.

Gestrid ,

High switching cost compared to finding another extension (e.g. uBO Lite), even if the resulting experience is worse.

You’re not wrong about the high switching cost.

Switching from Chrome to Vivaldi (because of Chrome’s whole FLoC thing) to Brave (because I didn’t like Vivaldi’s layout) to Firefox (because of Brave’s whole thing) was a pain.

And I don’t mean as a whole. Taking the time each time to change from one browser to another was always a pain. Transferring bookmarks and passwords was easy (Chrome and Firefox are at least compatible in that regard), but transferring extension settings was a whole different beast.

Some extensions had cloud sync support. Others had local export support. Some didn’t have either kind, and I’d have to manually copy the settings from one browser over to the other. And that’s not even getting into finding replacements for the Chrome-exclusive extensions (of which there were only a few, thankfully).

mke , (edited )

(because of Brave’s whole thing)

Ha.

I’m sorry to hear that, been there (Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi, Firefox in my case). Hopefully we can stick around for a while.

OriginalUsername7 ,

The uBlock Origin chrome extension has had 34 million users. Chrome has 3.45 billion users.

Even if every uBlock user switched, it’s less than 1% of chrome users.

mke , (edited )

Yeah, I thought about mentioning that. But the comparison goes both ways. Less than 1% of Chrome users switching to Firefox could still mean an increase in Firefox users of over 10%, if I remember my numbers correctly. That’d be a sweet boost for most products.

OriginalUsername7 ,

Ya, it’d still be huge for Firefox, but what I’m really getting at is that even with this change, Chrome is going nowhere. They’re the big fish, they can afford to make these kinds of changes, because the people who care are a very small minority.

Huschke ,

To be fair, nerds will tell their tech-illiterate friends about this change and probably influence them enough to consider it. Especially when it’s something as easy as downloading an application.

It’s much easier to switch a browser then it is to stop using Google, Facebook, etc.

Capricorn_Geriatric ,

Depends on their methodology. Sure, a huge proportion of those are users who haven’t heard of uBO, but we’re forgetting a lot of caveats:

  1. Electron exists and lots of apps are built on top of it and identify as “Chrome”. Judging by the numbers most have been weeded out, but some edge cases do visit more sites so they end up in the count.
  2. A lot of workplaces mandate the browser, which is often Chrome. This also gets counted.
  3. A not insignificant amount of Firefox users change their useragent to Chrome.

All of these skew the numbers towards Chrome. Some Chrome users use a different adblocker which lowers the uBO statistic.

experbia ,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

I agree folks are overestimating how many will switch. but also maybe you’re underestimating too - a lot of browser installations are managed by the “family tech guy”. the father, mother, brother, sister, aunt or uncle who sets up everyone’s new laptops on Christmas and has the suggestions when you look for a new phone. we all know the type. a lot of us are the type.

setting up granny’s laptop? I’ll install whatever browser lets me automatically block the most “1000th visitor!” banner ads and change the desktop icon to the old AOL icon because that’s all she knows the internet as. she doesn’t know of care about the browser options so it’s up to me. Chrome used to be fast and simple so it was the right choice. Firefox has caught up a fair bit on UX simplicity and speed and now offers better blocking and general security, so it just stole the crown for these installations imo. I trust it more to not let her mess the computer up, so even if I’m not using it as my main personal browser, it gets use here.

mke ,

For what it’s worth, I hope you’re right.

scarabic ,

I think probably the single most important thing that nobody is saying is that Google have ALL the numbers on this decision and they are not stupid, so it would be silly to assume this will work against their interests. Not only do they know how many people use chrome, their ad network gives them insight into ALL browsers.

sturmblast ,

Simple solution. Don’t use Chrome.

bluewing ,

Ive been testing out ungoogled chrome with uBlock, and it still seems to be working. But I think I’m going to add Waterfox along side of my Firefox to look at that one also.

But I’m also not sure you can install uBlock anymore from the Chrome repository either.

sturmblast ,

Not sure about the repo route, never went that deep with Chrome. Firefox has always been my mainstay (and Netscape before it.)

Dazed_Confused ,
@Dazed_Confused@lemmy.world avatar

It literally took me less than ten minutes to set up firefox. I carried all my bookmarks and passwords from edge and set up a mozilla account and everything is synced across linux, windows and android.

The only thing I’m worried of, is if some websites require chrome to work, as was the case with some government sites that only worked with internet explorer in the old days.

(Does anyone know if the default user agent is chrome? I used to log in a local streaming site from edge and it wouldn’t work, as it required chrome, but I used an extension to take care of the user agent. On firefox it works no problem.)

Upsidedownturtle ,

From my experience, most of those websites that want a specific browser require edge these days. Some streaming sites will only give FHD on edge, and HD streams on other browsers if at all (looking at you Vudu).

Kit ,

Just use Edge on sites that don’t support Firefox, if you must use them. Same as how we used IE for government sites back in the day.

gnutard , (edited )

Why not use chromium or a hardened version of it? Edge is proprietary software.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Edge is chromium…

gnutard , (edited )

Yes, but Edge comes with a lot more proprietary components added.

I would recommend installing ungoogled-chromium or using another hardened FOSS version of chromium instead.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Orrrrr

Stop using chromium based browsers.

gnutard ,

The person was saying they couldn’t access a certain site with Firefox, that’s why I suggested a chromium based browser.

BootyBuccaneer ,

I recommend the User-Agent Switcher and Manager Firefox addon for those struggling with some sites.

You can also report a broken site to Mozilla directly via the browser menu.

There was another (third-party?) page where you could report websites but I forgot its url.

Dazed_Confused ,
@Dazed_Confused@lemmy.world avatar

I used this extension on edge to view one particular site (although I never managed to make it auto load on that page, but meh). As I said firefox seems to work without it for some reason.

yessikg ,
@yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m using the Chrome Mask extension on the few sites that complain

darkkite ,

half of the websites are google-owned

ayyy ,

Stallman was right.

mannycalavera ,
@mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

It’s pronounced GNU Stallman.

erwan ,

Too bad he spent all his energy getting Linux users to say GNU/Linux instead of talking about the real issues

octopus_ink ,

Just because that’s all you ever listened to doesn’t mean that’s all he ever said.

RageAgainstTheRich ,

I can’t listen or look at this man anymore after seeing him scrape shit off his feet and eat it in front of a bunch of people. 🤢

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

He has went on record multiple times saying having sex with children (even within the family) or family pets is fine. Eating his foot gunk is the least of my issues with him.

That said, when it comes to warning about software, he was pretty bang-on.

mikegioia ,
@mikegioia@lemmy.ml avatar

Post the link to him saying that having sex with children is okay

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

It’s pretty well-known at this point, I thought? Regardless:

“The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, ‘prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia’ also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally–but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.”

RMS on June 28th, 2003

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing. "

RMS on June 5th, 2006

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.

RMS on Jan 4th, 2013

You can find these on Stallman’s blog, which I believe is Stallman.org iirc. Just go to the dates I provided.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

Yeah, necrophilia is fine as long as both parties are consenting.

14th_cylon ,

When one of the parties objects, that is when the fun starts :D

mikegioia ,
@mikegioia@lemmy.ml avatar

I cannot find any of this on his blog, why didn’t you just link to his blog?

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

I did link to his blog… It’s stallman.org

I said from there you can go to the dates I provided.

I don’t wish to be rude, but do you really need this hand-holding? It took me less than 10 seconds to find a specific link to the first quote, for example:

stallman.org/archives/2003-mar-jun.html

Did you really look?

Stallman being pro-paedophila is not new information.

mikegioia ,
@mikegioia@lemmy.ml avatar

You pasted the domain not an actual blog post link. And you’re the one making these claims about him on a forum, does it really surprise you when someone asks for the source? Sorry you had to google something.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

I gave a link to the source, his blog, and gave instructions on how to find each statement. I even gave timestamps.

I gave you the source as soon as you asked. The source is Stallman’s blog, stallman.org.

Apology accepted, don’t worry about it. You just came across as a bit of a sealion, that’s all.

Anyway, the point is, yes, Stallman has been a repeated defender of paedophilia and having sex with family pets.

Personally for me that’s a mark against him. But that’s just my opinion, a lot of people in the Linux don’t really mind.

14th_cylon ,

Sod off, sealion

jaemo ,

You were the one looking for proof? Then you do the googling.

That is how this shit works, genius.

AstralPath ,

You’ve got the burden of proof backwards, pal.

WldFyre ,

Online discussions aren’t formal debates, bud.

jaemo ,

Lucky this isn’t a court of law, buddy.

mikegioia ,
@mikegioia@lemmy.ml avatar

This makes no sense. This person made a claim and I asked what the source was. Shouldn’t they know where their own comment came from?

jaemo ,

Mike, you came at this person twice. He gave you a url and since you’re on Lemmy we assume you’re at least halfway internat savvy.

In my shoes I’d have at least put in a few minutes of effort to look for the information on that site. Or even a general search. ANYTHING to evince my capability for critical thought.

You were given 99% more than most are in this type of exchange and still lazily demanded more. You didn’t just ask and you weren’t all that polite. I found it lazy. That you appear to feel a keen need to have the last word in this type of situation is also worth a bit of reflection.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

You calmed down? You agree he supports paedophilia, yes? The evidence is right there. I provided sources for you a bunch of times.

TheGrandNagus ,

I’m sorry I hurt your feelings. But I’ll take that downvote and no reply as a “yes, you were right. Stallman is a disgusting supporter of child rape and bestiality”.

Perhaps you can learn from this. Celebrity worship is bad. It blinds you to the faults of people. Stallman doesn’t deserve your simping.

namingthingsiseasy ,

How is it that you’re so well-versed in all of Stallman’s negative quotes (from over a decade ago), yet conveniently omitted the fact that he later retracted those statements?

On September 16, 2019, Stallman announced his resignation from both MIT and FSF, “due to pressure on MIT and me over a series of misunderstandings and mischaracterizations”.[124] In a post on his website, Stallman asserted that his posts to the email lists were not to defend Epstein, stating "Nothing could be further from the truth. I’ve called him a ‘serial rapist’, and said he deserved to be imprisoned. But many people now believe I defended him—and other inaccurate claims—and feel a real hurt because of what they believe I said.

The FSF board on April 12 made a statement re-affirming its decision to bring back Richard Stallman.[133] Following this, Stallman issued a statement explaining his poor social skills and apologizing.[134]

Evilcoleslaw ,

Those issues are ones that it’s hard to just walk back with a mea culpa, especially when the apology comes precisely when it starts to impact your career.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

Stallman spends decades publicly-championing adult-child sexual relations on his personal blog and using his work email address.

Stallman later comes under fire for strange comments about Epstein’s underage girls/clients. Some people say he should step down, as his poor image jeopardises the effectiveness of the FSF.

2 days later, Stallman has a sudden change of heart. Child/adult sexual relations are wrong. Children can’t consent.

Some Linux nerds: “see, he’s changed his mind, he’s a different man!”

Maybe I’m overly pessimistic, but to me the timing of his epiphany seems rather convenient.

How ready people are to treat celebrities as deity-like figures is scary to me. Just because Stallman has some great FOSS credentials doesn’t mean he can’t be a total POS in other areas. People bend over backwards to defend him as some saint who can do no wrong, even to the extent of trivialising child rape. It’s scary what a bit of celebrity worship can get people to do.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

You mean when he had an epiphany and changed his mind 2 days after his job became under fire?

Gee, I dunno. Maybe because it was a clear last-ditch effort to save his job, rather than because he genuinely went from his decades-held (and publicly-championed) view that sex with children is ok to sex with children is rape, by sheer coincidence, 2 days after people started requesting he step down over Epstein comments?

It was about as convincing a statement from Stallman as when Zuckerberg says he cares about privacy.

Do you genuinely believe him when he says he changed his mind? It’s an awfully convenient timing, even you would have to admit.

And can I also ask - are you only looking favourably at him because you like him? If Andrew Tate, just before his court case, came out and said that his views on women are wrong and he doesn’t believe that stuff anymore, would you believe him? It seems to me that you’re likely sweeping Stallman being pro-childrape under the rug, because he happens to have cool ideals when it comes to software.

avatar ,

who

isles ,

It’s a very searchable name

mechoman444 ,

Huh… I couldn’t tell with all the Firefox I use.

MaxHardwood ,

Huh… So you’re not using the product the article is referring to?

mechoman444 ,

No I use u-block origin. The very product the article is referring to.

I just use it in Firefox so I am completely unaffected by this.

It’s a great feel.

MaxHardwood ,

It’s about Chrome. Using Firefox is unrelated to the article.

mechoman444 ,

It’s about uBlock Origin not working on chrome.

MaxHardwood ,

So what does Firefox have anything to do with it then?

mechoman444 ,

Nothing…

MaxHardwood ,

Weird. You spent 3 days defending Firefox for an article that has nothing to do with Firefox… You just wanted to say Firefox for some weird reason…

mechoman444 ,

I spent zero time defending anything.

I made a statement relative to the original article.

I am unaffected by the fact that uBlock will no longer function in chrome because I use Firefox.

You keep trying to infer that Firefox has nothing to do with chrome or the article in and of itself. Which I do not contest.

And yet I still made the statement.

So let me repeat myself. “I am unaffected by this because I use Firefox”

I hope that my continued perceived waste of time annoys you further.

faethon ,
@faethon@lemmy.world avatar

At this point I am seriously wondering why people would like to use Chrome over Firefox for instance.

mipadaitu ,

I use multiple profiles in chrome for my different logged in usages, for some reason Firefox makes it hard to switch profiles.

palordrolap ,

"Hard" is a strong word. It's not built into the default interface, granted, but it's not that hard to use FF's command line: firefox -P

They have said they're thinking about rejigging the whole thing though.

mipadaitu ,

Ok, telling people to open a command line and TYPE firefox -P is HARD. In chrome you just click the icon in the upper right and select whatever profile you want.

It makes no sense that you have to either open about:profiles then select “launch in new window” or open the command line to start a new profile, makes NO sense at all.

You can open a firefox private window with a keyboard shortcut, but if you want to be logged into two different accounts in two different profiles, you have to go through a minimum of three non-intuitive steps.

Even the extension that adds the profile switching doesn’t work anymore because it’s not maintained.

palordrolap ,

Dude, if that's all-caps HARD, then I don't know how you'd classify, say, compiling things from source and fixing any problems that might crop up along the way. Or fixing missing DLL / OCX hell when trying to get an old Windows game running under Linux, because let me tell you, I've done both of those and had to give up. firefox -P is heaven by comparison.

You could even put it into a shortcut and you wouldn't have to type it any more.

Yes the interface sucks, but HARD is not it.

Bongles ,

Sure, but you know most people do not have to do what you just described.

palordrolap ,

Most people don't need multiple profiles either.

Bongles ,

Fair enough

LiamMayfair ,

Look up the Firefox Containers extension.

DarkThoughts ,

The profile manager is definitely annoying, but it shouldn't be that hard to visit about:profiles to switch / open other profiles. Afaik they do work on a better one though.

minstrel ,

it has something like ‘-no-remote -p name’ param on cmd that you can do it seamless like chromium, or u can use the fork of the drop official pwa firefox support, it could be better, i know n i get it, but if u just use chromium base for it, than i got u covered

Prethoryn ,
@Prethoryn@lemmy.world avatar

I am using Firefox as of last week I made the switch to the browser a different password manager and so far it is fine but there have been a couple of hiccups but it’s not necessarily a Firefox issue but an implementation with Android issue.

For example auto forwarding to an app from a webpage in Firefox has worked half the time for me and the other half not so much.

This is a small example, having Google Chrome and like wise the Google app be native to Android so they move back and forth between one another and are interchangeable while using my phone is much more smooth on my Android device.

Other than that, I am not positive as to why. On Desktop, zero issues. Works like a charm.

ocassionallyaduck ,

Its cool well just message the maintainers of Android to improve it, I’m sure it’s a mistake. Lemme go check who who’s behind it… /s

TheBloodFarts ,

Being able to cast seamlessly from Chrome to Chromecast is the only major issue I’ve had since switching to Firefox. It’s possible with Firefox and it works 99% of the time but it feels a little clunky. Completely worth it though overall and not a dealbreaker

mrvictory1 ,

How do you cast from Firefox?

TheBloodFarts ,

Search up the fx_cast extension

RangerJosie ,

Use chrome to download Firefox.

kungen ,

That’s Edge’s job. Though I guess they’re basically the same thing…

RangerJosie ,

Equally fkin useless.

I wish I had a 1.0 version of netscape saved somewhere so I could use it.

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

I didn’t even need a browser to download another browser, I just git clone it from the AUR :P

mrvictory1 ,

Just curl it from Mozilla, they provide an archive file that’s distro agnostic.

ruabmbua ,

Back in the day when I still used windows, I did not even use IE to download Firefox. I used the FTP functionality inside the explorer to download Firefox from the Mozilla FTP.

miridius ,

Personal preference I guess. I’ve tried Firefox many times over the years and always ended up going back to other browsers. I find Firefox doesn’t render some pages quite right, the user agent stylesheet is odd, and the UI is less streamlined. Performance also used to be a problem although I hear it’s caught up now.

I used to be a Chrome user but now I prefer chromium based alternatives like brave and edge (which incidentally, uBO will keep working on). Chrome is still required for work, but uBO change won’t be an issue I think, there are plenty of other ad blockers that will work with MV3

rooster_butt ,

Because I use chrome for standard use and Firefox for sailing the high seas. And I much prefer just having 2 separate browsers for containerization. I’m just going to have to use librewolf or something when I do get the the mv3 update.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Why not just use something like Fences on Firefox? It allows you to containerize individual tabs. I use it all the time to separate work and personal accounts.

faethon ,
@faethon@lemmy.world avatar

This is also how I have it set up, with “firefox multi-account containers” and “simple tab groups” working together, you can have multiple containerized accounts within one firefox instance. Works great!

rooster_butt ,

Does this allow you enable/disable add-ons on a per container basis? What about bookmarks?

CynicusRex ,
@CynicusRex@lemmy.ml avatar

“What’s a browser?” —the general populace

I just install uBlock Origin on every device I come across. Graffiti software.

seedd ,

Those who don’t like FF can use brave, it’s brave shield works well

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I wonder if this leaves Chrome users susceptible to ads that load malware, which has been a problem for the last decade, and a driver of adblocking extension development. You can get spyware and worms from Forbes, for instance.

Adblocking is not just a matter of a cleaner internet experience, but also of good internet hygiene

mihnt ,

Oh yeah, I have a feeling we’re about to see 2000s level bullshit on computers/phones again.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

The majority of people already don’t use ad blockers though. The Chrome Web Store says that 34 million people use (used?) uBlock Origin, while it’s estimated that around 3.3 billion people use Chrome. If those numbers are correct, only around 1% of Chrome users use uBlock Origin.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I feel sorry for that 3.26 billion people, most of whom have to deal with ads, spyware and malware.

smb ,

its not just ads and malware, and its not only about beeing sorry for them. ads are also manipulating how people think. not only the obvious things like “that product is good”, but also that products in general would help (with problems you didn’t have). and the format itself of ads (even without considering its contents) already has a changing effects on the minds of those who watch it. i am thinking of some parts of neil postmans thoughts about television back then and i guess there is plenty of possibilities to make a realistic conspiracy theory out of it why exactly the most poisonous parts of television are replicated to the internet with massive force even though everyone ignores ads in the net. i like theories

unfortunately, feeling sorry for them does not help society to stability. 😥

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

What’s the alternative to ads, though? Not everyone wants to (or can afford to) pay for every site they use.

smb ,

What’s the alternative to ads, though? Not everyone wants to (or can afford to) pay for every site they use.

its not about paying for the site a user uses, its about paying those who run the site (and less to pay for someone only “managing” the site by doing actually nothing)

maybe these could be alternatives:

  • patreon
  • flattr
  • micropayment in general
  • donations (somafm runs on donations)
  • link to shopping platforms (musicians on somafm mostly have links to the songs on amazon that you see while playing the song for free)
  • communities, like FSF, local groups
  • some small payed supporter part (like lwn.net) while the important stuff that makes the win-win of the site is free to use
  • maybe the list from this page can help too: kinsta.com/de/blog/patreon-alternativen/Kickstarter Indiegogo Podia Sellfy Buy Me a Coffee Memberful Hypage Ko-fi Substack Kajabi Gumroad WooCommerce Mighty Networks MemberPress Uscreen

maybe even a combination of multiple of those *whoa!!! mindblow!!! could be a good choice to allow usersvto choose how to contribute.

so really only choosing to offer exactly one option that also puts all users at a real risk of real attacks where they can get ripped off of all or lots of their real money and data for the sake if earning 0.003 ¢ per each putting them at high risk is not really what should be done, or do you personally profit from their users high risk and are thus completely okay with it? hope not.

if you have to earn money with your project or whatever, why not offer several options to choose from? why only one? and while we’re at it, offering an ad-free “membership” for 400 times the price of what they would earn by the same visitor with ads like they try here sometimes, does not make any platform look good, but the opposite.

there are many platforms that i would pay for monthly and i would spend much more money alltogether than now on that if their price would not be artificially pushed into astronomically heights per service…

there is one project where i do donate each month a little bit via recurring bank transfer since years. my transfer says the name of the project and “donation” thats pretty easy to setup for both sides, but too complicated for those who pay designers money so they can place the ad layers on top of the 400 other layers of spypixels and navigation controls… really ? lol*

if those you are talking about cannot afford to have a bank account for some reason, i guess they also cannot receive the revenue of ads on their webpages ;+)

saying there are no alternatives to ads is rather a candidate for the lamest excuse award ;-)

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

What’s the alternative to ads, though? Not everyone wants to (or can afford to) pay for every site they use.

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ublock origin isn’t the only ad blocker out there. If you like Ublock origin, use Ublock origin lite. It’s fully V3 compliant.

tallpaul ,

Not so effective against the likes of YouTube allegedly.

s_s ,

Google says Manifest v3 is being done “for security reasons” but what they don’t say is that it’s not for your security.

It’s a Judge Dredd situation.

Google is vertically integrating the roles of content provider (ads) and content server so that web pages load exactly the way the page’s developer expects them to. This necessarily excludes things that selectively filter content, like blockers.

They’re essentially taking an open framefork for the web and replacing it with interactive pdfs, that show exactly what the web developer wants, and collects exactly the information the developer wants to know about you.

If you think you should have more control, use Firefox. Anyone using Chrome is complict at this point.

GiddyGap ,

There’s an easy fix for this. 🔥🦊

DarkSpectrum ,

With Google providing 80% of Mozilla’s finding, I think we can all see whats going to happen next.

sfxrlz ,

I feel like this isn’t talked about enough. Sure

just use Firefox

But for how long is it gonna work that way until they too deprecate v2

sexy_peach ,
@sexy_peach@feddit.org avatar

They’re the only alternative for now.

MrFlamey ,

Don’t worry. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

Personally I feel like I’m too addicted to Youtube (and Reddit, which is what brought me back here), so if I can’t block ads, perhaps I’ll be able to quit. To be honest though, even just disabling watch history and reducing subscriptions makes a massive difference to how addictive it is.

Blackmist ,

I’m more worried that sites will start to demand it for “security purposes”.

sfxrlz ,

It will be either of those two. The effort required to circumvent the restrictions will get increasingly higher. As someone fittingly said a few days ago. Let the 1984 commence.

jakob22 ,

The Google payments were never guaranteed for Mozilla. If they didn’t have a backup plan in place to reduce spending, that’s on them. Let Mozilla return to its garage opensource roots.

idefix ,

There’s only 34 million uBlock Origin users on Chrome? So, billions are using Chrome without any ad-blockers? That’s crazy and unsafe

Crozekiel ,

Most users are fucking idiots and will continue to raw-dog the internet while visiting the most malicious sites possible.

Deepus ,

I feel like you’ve worked helpdesk at some point.

Nightwingdragon ,

Worked IT. Can confirm.

Crozekiel ,

Yes. Unfortunately. “a virus? How did I get that? What’s an anti-virus? You must be wrong, I just do a little bit of web browsing and downloading music.” (this was in the windows xp days that I’m specifically flashing back to)

stinerman ,
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https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/cdcbeae9-b40a-4e13-94e1-75072308b1b6.png

jjagaimo ,

A lot of them don’t know the difference between ab, abp ublock and ublock origin

LordWiggle ,
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

There are also loads of people using Edge.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Lemmy has a really biased idea of what the average computer user can do. Imagine Janet in accounting, who calls help desk to reset her password every morning, and takes 30 minutes to remember how to check her email. Or the late GenZ just entering the workforce, who was surprised that their desktop wasn’t a touchscreen, and doesn’t know how a file structure works, because literally every device they’ve used growing up has been either a tablet or a Chromebook. That’s the average user.

asexualchangeling ,

I don’t classify them as computer “users” personally, I think of them as computer butcherers

alphabethunter ,

My boss once asked me to take a look at her computer that was super slow and barely functional, and the thing that surprised me the most was that she had been running Chrome without any adblock since ever, and when I asked her about adblock, she answered: “adwhat?”. Mind you that she’s still a millennial, and only a few years older than me.

BangCrash ,

I had to use my parents desktop a when I flew home for a bit.

Surfing the internet is fucking stressful if you don’t have adblocks. So overstimulating!!

I’m also on windows and for some reason I had to use Edge.

The Edge home screen is the VERY REASON google killed it back in the 90s. Clean clear search screen. Allows you to think what you are doing with out getting bombarded with ads and posts and ads and markets. Reminded me how terrible the search experience was back in Alta Vista and Yahoo days

DarkSpectrum ,

There are billions of people on earth who don’t have access to a computer.

reka ,

so long dental plan!

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

Lisa needs braces!

JenIsBringingTheDrugs ,

https://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/well.gif

zanyllama52 ,
@zanyllama52@infosec.pub avatar

I imagine most of us here already don’t use Google Chrome, but I’ll be spending some time proselytizing on the behalf of Mozilla for Firefox with the folks I run across.

Chakravanti ,

Firefox

Librewolf

CouncilOfFriends ,

It deserves mentioning that Firefox on Android supports extensions, so if you uninstall/disable the official YouTube app then add uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock you get a more tolerable experience.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Can also use Vinegar (for YouTube) and Baking Soda (for basically every other site with videos) with Safari on iOS. It’s not a perfect solution, but it at least revamps Safari’s built-in video player so watching in the browser is actually tolerable.

ondra5 ,

You can also patch YouTube in a similar way as revanced on iOS, I use YTLitePlus. And for Adblock I use the Wipr extension and hush for blocking and auto rejecting cookie popups. No jailbreak needed.

Joelk111 ,

Or just use Revanced or Grayjay, both of which are ad free and support sponsor block. Revanced is still a bit more feature complete imo, but also more buggy on my device, and more of a hassle to update. The browser YouTube experience is so bad, ads or ad free.

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