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tias ,

Others said their local offices had closed since the pandemic

This part is wild. So they closed down the office and then punish the employees for not coming into the office. Tell me this is illegal.

librejoe ,

Oh no I have to go back to work!

Anyways…

rob_t_firefly ,
@rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world avatar

Dude… you’re getting “or else.”

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

If this country cared about the environment or workers’ safety, they’d fine companies who make employees work in the office/on site when they could work from home instead.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Imagine how many people die every year commuting to jobs they could have done from home

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

If the commute was included in workplace deaths and injuries, I wonder where it would rank with OSHA’s statistics

teamevil ,

Problem is most of the folks influencing those that make laws also have huge real estate portfolios of commercial real estate.

Bluefalcon ,

Your move, Bitch!

Melvin_Ferd ,

Anyone want to start a company. Work from home. We’ll split profits among ourselves. We can. Build blackjack lottery machines and webhookers

waffelhaus ,

I will start developing the webhookers!

Bluefalcon ,

I’ll run quality control on the webhookers!

shasta ,

We’ll call it HookerGPT

Misk ,

SlutGPT

thefrankring ,
@thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

Just use AI. People can’t tell.

They just wanna live an unreal fantasy and jerk off.

JasonDJ ,

I’ll start integrating the webhookers with Slack.

ipkpjersi ,

Well that’s a word I’ve never seen before lol

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll test the blackjack machines

UmeU ,

And Dell said “Great, thanks, saved us a ton on severance packages and allowed us to replace our high paid tenured employees with hungry graduates who are prepared to work themselves to death for peanuts”

ameancow ,

Truth.

Been job hunting in similar fields for a while and as a middle-aged person, I simply cannot get a callback from any of these companies, then when you actually visit them and see some of their workforce, you rarely see anyone over late-20’s, and it’s all these high-energy, eager-to-please, eager-to-work-for-recognitionbucks, fresh-outta-college kids who can be exploited and turned over rapidly.

I am job hunting because the previous company I managed was bought out, downsized, and all the senior employees making more than entry level wages were cut. This is happening everywhere.

More and more technology, overseas outsourcing options, and general service/gig systems for filling job openings has left companies treating workers as disposable as toilet paper.

This is because almost every business is now part of a huge chain of ownership, and the shareholders at the top, groups of very rich old white dudes, just gather together in their hooded cloaks and look at the bars and graphs every month and decide what investments are to be amputated, and which to be kept. Before going back to their private sex islands.

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

High paying jobs with tons of new graduates have an oversaturated supply problem. It’s no surprise that when people figure out that becoming a software developer is easy street to 150k+++ WFH that there was a huge rush to get those jobs… now that there are TONS and TONS of young junior devs there is no shortage to hire someone for near minimum wage.

Why pay 400k for a senior developer when you can hire a mid-level for ~100k to be a manager, and 4 juniors for 60k a piece, and augment them with chatgpt to help them learn what they are skill gapped by.

Plus junior devs are so desperate you can force them to come into the office, something the dev divas ten years ago refused to do back when there was a huge shortage of coders.

ameancow ,

Absolutely correct, I watched this happen to our tech team before I was also thrown in the chipper.

And it doesn’t help that a lot of the young people trying to get into coding and tech fields are not what you would call titans of confidence and charisma, these are mostly introverted and thoughtful people who have studied most of their lives under the belief that meritocracy exists, and they can prove themselves in the business world by doing great work and being a good employee.

Meanwhile glance over at the sales side of the building and there are people there making six figures a year who do next to nothing but party and tell lewd jokes, but are absolutely invulnerable to layoffs and downsizing as long as they can talk to clients and joke about sports with the CEO.

The disillusionment around the business world is real and unsustainable.

LordCrom ,

God my last sales team were annoying. You can hear their bullshit from the floor above. They never shut up.

letsgo ,

I had the misfortune to have to share an office with a bunch of sales morons. I can recommend Bose idiot-cancelling headphones. What a bunch of selfish noisy fuckwombles.

ameancow ,

Every job I’ve had I’ve ended up becoming a liaison of sorts between the sales teams and the operational teams because I seem to be the Daywalker, who can walk between worlds and communicate with the techy nerds, take their issues to the loud sales assholes and make it all work.

It’s not an enjoyable role but it always earned me high marks because nobody else can stomach it.

Tja ,

I would like live in this world. We are trying to hire, and it’s basically as hard as ever. Senior developers are super hard to get, or even to talk to. Even if you pay above average rates.

There’s plenty of “LinkedIn senior” developers, tho. But after 3 years of C they can’t explain a static variable or can’t define a promise claiming to be js experts.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

and this is why we are going to have a surge in enshittification in every piece of software and engineering around. eagerness and high energy does not replace decade of experience and ability to hold your composure against corporate pressure to do shady shit (if anything eagerness to please enable it)

ameancow ,

Since the shareholders only care about 6-month projections, they will always choose a shitty, short-term successes with rushed products with patches later or promises of continued bugfixing, than spending more money and time to make something that users approve of and passes all requirements.

The shit is already running pretty deep.

MintyFresh ,

It’s like seeing the Dracula myth reborn. They periodically come to wreak great violence, but always draining. Always unseen. Always feeding.

Cosmicomical ,

who are prepared to work themselves to death for peanuts

…while having no idea what they are doing

plantedworld ,

That’s not this quarter’s problem, silly!

PythagreousTitties ,

That’s a problem for next months Me to fire you for!

AWittyUsername ,

Yeah that’s the next CEOs problem.

StaySquared ,

Good.

In my case, it was pretty effed up and I know some of yall are going to dislike this comment. When covid hit, I was instructed by the CTO to put a plan together to quickly make every employee remote accessible to the organization. Upon completing this project (took roughly 3 weeks since majority of employees were working off laptops and only needed to increase our VPN license count - gotta love Cisco), people were asked to work fully remote and if they needed to come into work, they just needed to send an email for approval from their manager to come into the office the following day.

When an employee comes into the office, at the entrance they had to either show their vax card or get their temperature checked, if the employee had a vax card, they were allowed to go to their assigned desk to work, if you did not have a vax card and didn’t have a high temperature, you were sent to a designated area of the building to work from, you were allowed to go to your desk to get any belongings you’d need then come back to the designated area.

After 3 months of this, the company had a new policy, all employees must be vaxxed in order to enter the building, no exceptions. If the employee worked remote, no problem you weren’t required to be vaxxed. The CTO tells me that I need to communicate to the entire IT team that we will now be RTO (returning to office) permanently, this included project managers… IT is a set of departments that majority can easily work remote. A small portion could come into office to do any hands on work but because the hands on work was done within a specific region of the building it would require these employees to be vaxxed and to provide proof of it. So the CTO decided instead of targeting a small handful of IT professionals, he would just get the entire IT team to get vaxxed and come back into office permanently.

I told the CTO that I don’t plan to get vaxxed, I’d rather ride it out. And that other team members felt the same. The CTO gave me an ultimatum. I told him I will send out an IT wide email but that’s the only command I will obey. Flat out, CTO tells me anyone who doesn’t get vaxxed will be terminated. So I and 4 others got terminated two weeks later.

And now, companies around the U.S. are getting sued for their employer-imposed vaccine mandates.

Last laugh, bitch.

NoSpiritAnimal ,
@NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

I dunno, you lost your job for no good reason. Did you sue?

Kinda seems like they have the last laugh.

StaySquared ,

I believe it was a blessing. One door shut, another one, a few months later opened. I had to move from Southern California to the Bay… where my salary was a little more than 1.5x the previous salary and this company, a video game developing company, interestingly, didn’t have such requirements in order to work there or come into office (it was like 90% remote work, only came into office to work on projects with my team).

Nope, they didn’t have the last laugh. Good thing I didn’t sign the NDA either at the time of termination.

LordGimp ,

NDA’s are legally unenforcable anyways. You know what’s totally legally enforceable? Shunning plague carriers. Lmao I honestly hope you get out of yout typhoid mary phase before you kill someone you care about, but we all wish bad things happen to bad people.

StaySquared ,

You still get infected…

Wait a minute, are you people under the impression that the vaccine protected you from getting covid and spreading covid?

Is that what’s happening here?

Sure call me a plague carrier, but my blood is clean. Yours? haha

LordGimp ,

That’s how virus carriers work. Blood clean of any way to stop the spread. Lmao gimme that muddy bloody soup full of every antibody known on this planet. My body is full of legions of Rambo mfs looking to fuck up any intruder on sight. Your blood is an open field with a welcome mat and a bottle of wine. My infection is killed off in hours while yours sets up a nice summer home to come back every year.

You know where clean bloodlines end up? On headstones.

StaySquared ,

That’s cool… I rarely get sick though. And for something like the flu? I rather depend on my immune system. Maybe when I’m 60 or 70 years old. Or when I get sick more frequently, I’ll take medication more seriously.

Halosheep ,

Vaccine deniers are a truly interesting breed. Do you just not have a full grasp of biology or are you too busy getting in your head about some shit you made up?

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Do you just not have a full grasp of biology or are you too busy getting in your head about some shit you made up?

Yes. Both are true about antivaxxers.

Cosmicomical ,
  1. Covid has more than 10x the mortality rate of common flu
  2. even without vaccine you still have an immune system, but not as ready against covid, and you spread it for a longer period which can be fatal for those around you, especially older people or people with a bad immune system

I don’t get what you people have against vaccines. They saved millions of lives over the years and the causation is clear beyond any doubt.

You are te proof that the education system sucks.

squidspinachfootball ,

It’s not about completely preventing infection, you can still get infected. It’s about minimizing the odds of infection and lowering severity when infected, to mitigate transmission as much as possible. It’s more about society as a collective and less about the individual. You can ride it out, sure. But if you pass it along to someone who can’t, then what?

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

NDAs are very much legally enforceable lol. A nitable time they aren’t, is if there has been illegal activity the NDA is trying to compel you to keep secret.

Moreless ,

And most likely any job will require proof of a vaccine. OP fucked around and is finding out. But yeah the companies being sued

StaySquared ,

Nah… after leaving the org in the Bay area, I joined a new org this Jan… it’s no longer the terrorist we thought it was.

surewhynotlem ,

getting sued for their employer-imposed vaccine mandates

The only case I’ve seen succeed is for a company that ignored legitimate religious exceptions. Have you seen any successful cases that support your use case?

StaySquared ,

There’s ongoing class action suits in the U.S., I don’t know when that information becomes public.

Crashumbc ,

ROFL

Tja ,

This is your brain on Facebook.

StaySquared ,

I dont… use social media. This and telegram are the closest thing to social media I use.

Tja ,

He said, on social media.

expr , (edited )

Glad you got fired. Vaccines should always be mandatory save for legitimate, doctor-validated medical exemptions.

Anti-vaxxers are fucking stupid and should either be educated properly or, if they still refuse to do their civic duty after being de-programmed of misinformation, punished. You are only allowed to participate in society if you take the necessary steps that you are morally and ethically obligated to do in order to protect it from preventable, transmissible disease. We had eradicated polio until stupid motherfuckers like yourself decided that it would be a good idea to forgo the standard polio vaccine schedule that we’ve had for decades. Now, we saw the first case in 30 years in 2022 because someone selfishly thought that their personal beliefs were more important than the health and livelihood of everyone else.

StaySquared ,

Yeah, me too. In the end it turned out great for me and my family. Literally that job in the Bay allowed us to save even more money allowing us to buy a large property. And if all goes the way we hope, I can eject myself out of the job market and enjoy life with my fam. No more wage slave life.

Pssst… people were still getting the flu after their vaccines, after multiple vaccines. You know what the flu did to me? Literally, lost of taste. I couldn’t taste salt for about 4 days. Happened twice only, thankfully. I’ll personally take that a million times over.

Stay salty, brah.

NoSpiritAnimal ,
@NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

Big “seatbelts kill” energy

confusedbytheBasics ,

Bragging about not helping others isn’t the flex you think it is. :(

m0darn ,

I understand your anger and agree that anti-vaxxers are stupid. I believe public health education should be part of the school system.

I also agree that it’s responsible for a society to impose reasonable restrictions on members that endanger it.

I think people do have an ethical obligation to take reasonable precautions avoid potentially exposing others to pathogens. Vaccination is an example of reasonable precaution. People have the right to bodily autonomy, do not vaccinate them against their wishes.

I do not support the firing of workers for refusing vaccinations if they can do their job remotely. People shouldn’t have to decide between their religious beliefs and employment if their employment doesn’t bring them into contact with others. (Imo anti-vaxx is essentially a religion, this may say more about my beliefs regarding religion than about anti-vaxx sentiment).

By all means exclude the unvaccinated from places where they can be reasonably understood to endanger the public, or others that have a similar right to be there.

peg ,

I thought we’d moved beyond this sort of nonsense.

nucleative ,

There’s a pretty good chance that every employee facing this offer is in a position where Dell sees them as replaceable. They want people who follow orders and not much more, so if you want to look at it through that filter Dell got what they wanted.

Unless somebody over there at the top is crazy, Dell would have had individual deals with the true innovators, decision makers, movers and shakers internally who are viewed as top tier and irreplaceable.

Clent ,

Quiet unionizing?

mPony ,

we should fucking hope. Might catch on

JordanZ ,

That’s a horribly deceiving title. They just stayed remote and made themselves ineligible for promotion.

Business Insider claims it has seen internal Dell tracking data that reveals nearly 50 percent of the workforce opted to accept the consequences of staying remote, undermining Dell’s plan to restore its in-office culture.

Etterra ,

Probably while updating their resumes and looking around for replacement jobs in case they find a better one. I know I would.

funkless_eck ,

Promotions haven’t been worth it for 30 years. Most people stick around cuz it’s a PITA getting a new job

0x0 ,

If promotion means becoming a manager… no thanks.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

I went from doer to manager, even though I’m now expected to do and manage… it isn’t enjoyable.

undergroundoverground ,

Yeah but, if it was remotely enjoyable, then you might make 2 or maybe even 3% less profit for the lazy, workshy scroungers who own the company.

We can’t have that now can we?

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Can confirm. ^^’

Though I am just going to resign on Monday and give myself the push.

JudahBenHur ,

duuuude get a new job before you quir the old one

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

That would be the dream, but it hasn’t panned out, and my long notice period is hampering me. I’m not going to continue slogging it out here indefinitely, and I don’t need to.

I don’t need any additional anxiety to discourage me from getting out of this before I just burn out and am in a worse position.

macgyver ,
@macgyver@federation.red avatar

Fuck the notice lol

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

It’s contractual, I’m going to serve my notice period.

verity_kindle ,

I saw a handmade sign in a floating workshop for ships, it stated “Please Resist Entropy”. That has inspired me ever since. It sounds like you are resisting entropy and good for you. Wish you better times and a better job. o7

JudahBenHur ,

fair enough, and I’m sure you know what you’re doing. I’ve always felt that I’m in a much, much stronger position saying I’m employeed but I’d prefer to work for you rather than them suspecting that I just need some job, any job ya know

anyway, hope you work it out

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Thanks, it’s the culmination of a lot of thought and a previous attempt by my manager and I to rework things to make it better but hasn’t really worked out. Onwards and upwards, I’d still intend to find a job during the 3 months notice period before I’m set loose so ideally I won’t lose the “tempt me away” factor before I get a new gig.

JigglySackles ,

Good luck! Everything will work out eventually.

lauha ,

Only if he still has any fucks to give

Tja ,

Or bills to pay. Or mouths to feed.

lauha ,

If they think about those, there are still fucks left to give.

Aermis ,

Man these sensational titles for articles have been setting such a deceiving narrative. I feel like I’m in a veiled world since like 2015

nutsack ,

nobody knows whats going on anymore

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

ineligible for promotion

This seems like an empty threat to me. Every promotion I’ve ever gotten internally has come with a negligible pay increase (~4%). The best promotions I’ve gotten have been leaving to take a new job somewhere else (~20-50%).

explodicle ,

And that 4% just buys you a year before inflation cuts it back down again. Searching for a job from home is easier.

Cosmicomical ,

Lol, more a hope than a plan

garretble ,
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

They were probably like, “Finally, I can go to a company that doesn’t force me to use a Dell.”

corsicanguppy , (edited )

This would be a handy way to get rid of half your staff, but the people you chase away are usually the ones you want to keep. As per the Dead-Sea Effect, the ones who will leave are the ones who generally are more able to, who will be your most employable people, and thus your most talented. Usually.

Making work suck, and letting the best half of the staff bail, seems like stupid and a game show.

Etterra ,

I read somewhere that convincing people to quit was party of some companies’ plan when demanding return to office, but as you pointed out, they probably lost their top 10% or more in the quality workers group. So do that introvert parasites can have their “corporate culture” (or more critically, justify leading that bigass office building).

explodicle ,

I think you mean extrovert parasites

jj4211 ,

So much the better, as far as those executives are concerned.

Let’s say you want to cut costs and you know you have momentum and a long lag where your total incompetence won’t make a difference to business results in the short term, so cut costs by getting rid of the top talent.

Now if they outright just fire every good person, well that looks obviously stupid, but if those good people just… up and quit… well they are hardly to blame, and don’t have to pay out those massive severances. You get your annual bonus which is big, and your big restricted stock payday might be delayed two years, but they know, realistically, they can probably coast a good 3 or 4 years before the game is up. Or if you have a supremely strong ‘business brand’, you might be able to coast indefinitely as the big shots will never believe that brand isn’t good anymore.

iegod ,

Doesn’t matter in the world of next quarter vision. So shortsighted.

crazyminner ,

Just pick hybrid and fake the system that tracks you. Probably not super hard to trick it.

TerraRoot ,

It’s by your employee id card, gotta go on site to swipe card, then you can sneak home. remeber to sneak back in to swipe out!

lickmygiggle ,

what a stupid hill to die on

JigglySackles ,

For the company or the workers? For the company to die on rto mandates, fully agree.

lickmygiggle ,

Sorry for the lack of clarity.

1000% the company.

JigglySackles ,

No worries, just wanted to be sure. 🙂

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