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ZenbyBosatsu ,

I’d largely like to agree. My main issue is as others have said, some websites don’t work on Firefox due to Chrome basically being the standard. It’s annoying. And I do think people should still switch and try their best to stop using Chrome. Because IF we could get to a point where Firefox has a larger audience than it already has, the problem may end up stopping due to developers having more of a need to make sure their stuff is cross compatible with other browsers.

space ,

I’ve been using Firefox as my main browser for a long time. Sites that don’t work in FF are very rare. If it’s something I really need to access, I just use chrome/edge for that particular site. But as I said, it happens rarely, and there’s an easy way to work around it.

ZenbyBosatsu ,

That’s fair. Firefox hasn’t sprung up too many issues for me either. But it does occur and occasionally adds some annoyance if it’s a site you need. For me especially Firefox on IPhone is annoying to work with at times. Which is why I have other browsers on my phone as well. But for desktop, generally works fine.

iLStrix ,

I honestly don’t think I found a website that doesn’t work in Firefox for years. But I agree that it can be really annoying, I hope more people adopt Firefox (or it’s engine at least).

As for your iPhone issue: Well Apple doesn’t really allow any other browsers on iOS, AFAIK it’s all just Safari under the hood with a skin on top.

ZenbyBosatsu ,

I hope people do too. I am a Waterfox lover myself and it works great for the most part.

And huh, interesting. Good to know. Might just be a safari issue then. Idk. I for some reason thought that had changed, but could be wrong.

h_a_r_u_k_i ,
@h_a_r_u_k_i@programming.dev avatar

That’s interesting to know. Maybe that’s why add-ons don’t work in Firefox iOS or iPad OS.

Khanzarate ,

iPhone’s Firefox is still safari under the hood, but without the support of being a native app on top of it.

At the moment, it’s ok, I also have problems, but it’d be great if iOS opened up more and allowed a real Firefox browser to exist.

ZenbyBosatsu ,

I see. Alright.

But yeah, would be great to see that. Maybe if they get through with side loading being natively supported things will open up a bit. Tbh I am just waiting to get my android fixed or a new android device or Pinephone.

Khanzarate ,

Yeah that’d be great. Then we could get extensions on mobile.

I just use whatever phone is cheaper, and a family member had just upgraded their iPhone. Gotta say, it’s been reliable at least.

sir_reginald ,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

It’s funny that you say that, because all browsers on the iPhone are just rebranded Safari, due to Apple’s policies. So the web engine is just the same as Safari, or iOS Chrome or Opera or whatever. Literally the only platform where Firefox can’t have compatibility issues because it’s just a re-skinned Safari.

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

I actually encountered the opposite. A site I’ve been using for roughly 7 years actually has massive issues on chrome that makes it unusable.

On Firefox? No problem at all.

meekah ,
@meekah@lemmy.world avatar

Which site? Just curious. I’ve never encountered any issues whatsoever with either browser.

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Chatzy. However the site is intensely archaic to begin with.

There’s a lot of unique chrome exclusive bugs. Like the fact that opening the command menu or replying to hidden messages, deletes your chat windows contents.

Or the fact that the chat would just suddenly freeze up entirely. GUI elements deciding to randomly not display anymore. Bold messages sometimes breaking formatting. hangups that require a forced reload. Etc.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Decades old Firefox user here.

In the last week or two both Discord as well as Google Maps started not to work, they basically freeze up during/after they load, almost freezing up the whole browser as well (struggle to close the tabs they are on).

The weird thing is they both always used to work great up to just very recently, and nothing else has changed on my desktop, except for the normal OS updates semi daily.

(Speaking of the desktop version, on Fedora Linux.)

LemmysMum ,

Google already confirmed they were causing deliberate delays on YouTube videos for people detected using adblock. Extending the enshitification is all they have now, sold their soul to steal a buck.

ugo ,

Used discord on Firefox within the last week, no issues detected.

Disable all your plugins and check if this still happens, a few months ago I ran into an issue where every tab would load for a good few seconds before actually opening, even super lightweight stuff. Turned out to be caused by an addon that was umantained because the maintainer passed away.

Don’t remember which addon it was, but I can try and remember / search if you are interested.

blueson ,

I agree, run Firefox as your main and then a privacy focused fork of Chromium as your second if you need it for specific website.

Personally I barely ever encounter issues with websites running FF.

ZenbyBosatsu ,

This is probably the way to go imo. And make sure that it can’t run in the background either. Since at least if your computer is anything like mine. Gotta shut that chromium based stuff down to have enough ram to actually do much lol.

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

some websites don’t work on Firefox

Are you sure? Is there a list of these websites? I’ve been primarily using FF for a decade and haven’t encountered any.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Same. Usually it’s a case of “the site is broken on both”, or a hard refresh is needed, so switching browsers feels like it works

CmdrShepard ,

I’ve had a couple straight up tell me I had to use Edge/Chrome recently.

histic ,

I’ve had some map sites that just refuse to work on ff

redcalcium ,

Have you tried spoofing your User Agent to Chrome with a user agent switcher extension? The site might actually work in Firefox.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I never had that issue, untill starting last week. Now Google Maps won’t work, for some reason.

It worked for years before that, it’s a recent thing, in my case at least. Makes me wonder what’s going on.

ZenbyBosatsu ,

I don’t have any specific list. But I have ran into a few issues with Firefox. (mostly on my IPhone) In my experience Firefox on Mobile is just up to par with Desktop.

sparse_neuron ,

Last I checked all browsers on IOS are required by Apple to be basically a reskinned Safari.

Rai ,

Firefox on iOS is Safari under the hood.

CmdrShepard ,

I’ve ran into a few in the last year or two. I also can’t flash things like ESP32s (ESPHome) using Firefox for some security reasons, but this is fine as I’d rather be safe than sorry with my main browser.

Anafabula , (edited )
@Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Unfortunately there really are websites that don’t work in Firefox. Not a nice list, but issues should be reported here: webcompat.com/issues?page=1&per_page=50&s…

Personally, I have been using Firefox for years and will continue using it.

Firefox also has a builtin list of overrides at about:compat

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Can you list the websites? I feel like this issue is sufficiently rare to be inexistent for the vast majority of users.

Rai ,

People always say “MUH WEBSITE BORKED ON FIREFOX” and never give examples.

AWittyUsername ,

I use Firefox. If a site doesn’t work depending on my OS I use Edge, Safari or Chromium.

ieightpi ,

I’ve been using Firefox since the beginning. I do not understand any of the complaints people have about it. And I cant remember the last time I visited a website that wasn’t compatible with it. It was definitely before the pandemic and probably longer before that.

s1nistr4 ,

Almost every web developer I’ve met tests if their site works in Firefox and other browsers. The problem is when websites (aka Google sites) deliberately design their sites to not work in Firefox to get people to switch to Chrome

alien ,

Ive had website that require chrome work perfectly fine in firefox when I switch my user agent

alien ,

Ive had website that require chrome work perfectly fine in firefox when I switch my user agent

MrMcGasion ,

As someone who used to do web design when there were around 5 different rendering engines, I found having multiple browsers to design for was often a good thing. You could easily build something that worked 90% of the time on the primary testing browser, and hit a wall trying to fix the remaining bugs, but then testing in a different browser would reveal something obviously broken with your solution, and once you fixed that, would fix some of the minor quirks you were having a hard time solving in the primary testing browser. 5 was probably too many engines, and I’m thrilled to see Trident (IE) in the grave where it always belonged. But if you aren’t testing in multiple browsers, you’re making your life harder, not easier.

vinhill ,

You can file web compatibility bugs on bugzilla.mozilla.org or webcompat.com

There are different ways how bugs are fixed. But someone might reach out to the page itself, find and fix a bug in Firefox or change the web specification if the incompatibility arises from ambiguity around the feature definition.

Firefox can also ship an intervention, basically injecting code into certain websites to fix broken ones.

Some incompatibilities can arise from missing features in Firefox, the web constantly evolves and the Devs sometimes don’t catch up. But bugs might still help, as high compatibility-risk features might be implemented more quickly.

TheLobotomist ,
@TheLobotomist@lemmy.world avatar

Which sites are you referring to?

Rai ,

They’ll never tell because they’re not telling the truth.

AeonFelis ,

This is not as nearly as bad as the old days of IE6’s tyranny. If anything, we should stick to FF now that the situation is still bearable - before it becomes completely unbearable.

mlg , (edited )
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Remember when Firefox started dealing damage to IE’s insane monopoly, and then Chrome came along and shanked them both?

I hope Chrome finally eats dirt after basically becoming knockoff IE 2.

Literally every new HTTP standard is coming out of Google’s dev team. That is not a good thing.

ours ,

As long as Chrome was convenient people preferred it. Now that they are showing their true face and squeezing it in favor of being more ad-friendly I hope people realize there are better choices.

SCB ,

This “article” is an ad lol

The irony is real

SourceSeeker ,

As if Mozilla was profiting from Firefox.

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

What is with the almost constant ads for Firefox on this platform? It seems every other day I’m blasted with some “Chrome bad get Firefox” article.

I get it, Firefox is great, we know. Beating a dead horse a bit at this point though.

nucleative ,

The /c/technology community is the place for things like this. If you wanted to see less you could block the community.

shea ,

it’s because it’s literally the only non chromium browser that’s a viable alternative. At this point there are literally just 2 options for browsers: chromium based, Firefox based. That’s pretty much it.

ava ,

for anyone wondering, there’s already a manifest v3 version of ublock origin available from the same developer.

fleton ,

I wonder how handicapped it is

smeenz ,

Yes but ubol (ublock origin lite) , is limited in what it can block. It may or may not affect users, depending on how they had ubo configured.

See the author’s FAQ:

github.com/…/Frequently-asked-questions-(FAQ)

pearsche ,

I only install UBO and never configure it, so perhaps UBOL will be fine

ava ,

as long as you set it to ‘Optimal’ or ‘Complete’ it’s going to be able to block YouTube ads for example. that’s the main thing I missed while trying out dns adblockers and as such it’s definitely not too limited for me

interceder270 ,

I haven’t been using chrome ever since they remove AdNauseam from the web store with no justifiable reason.

They just took it off and kept it that way because there wasn’t sufficient backlash.

shalva97 ,

Why Firefox? there are so many other options

redditReallySucks ,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Name another usable browser which is not based on FF or Chromium

smileyhead ,

Any website that does not work in Lynx is just bad design.

Contend6248 ,

Safari 💀

redditReallySucks ,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

True but it is available on a limited number of plattforms

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemdro.id avatar

It’s weird how lots of devs treat chrome as a standard, even though when developing I have a lot more issues with Chrome browsers than Firefox browsers

redditReallySucks ,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I think devs go chrome first and then adapt the site to firefox.

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Because Chrome rendering and dev tools are effetely superior to Firefox. That’s why.

RustyNova ,

I’d disagree on Dev tools. Both are really great and useful. What I’d say is that Firefox may have less support for external debugging, but that’s more others choosing not to do Firefox debugging

AlphaOmega ,

I haven’t had any issues with browser compatibility since IE. Occasionally Safari might have some CSS issue, but it’s been probably 10 years since I had any major issues with browser compatibility. Html 5 and CSS 3 tend to work across all browsers without issue.

offspec ,

There are some niche features Mozilla refuses to accept like WebSerial and WebMIDI, but they’re starting to come around on them.

smileyhead ,

Across all two of them.

I would really like to see how broken the web would be if someone in theory create a new complete implementation of the basic standards.

bamboo ,

Three: Chrome and friends, Safari, Firefox

Contend6248 ,

Well the market share is the whole story when it comes figuring out whats the standard

sir_reginald ,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

why the Freenet logo and not I2P? Freenet is not designed with privacy in mind, unlike I2P which literally stands for the Invisible Internet Project.

smileyhead ,

How Freenet declares itself as a replacement of WWW and Internet, while what is does is delivering WWW sites on the Internet…

cheese_greater ,

uBlock Origin

fne8w2ah ,

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    13617 ,

    pro tip: use Ninite and put it on a separate USB with ooshutup10 and install without even opening edge!

    Blisterexe ,

    Or use Linux and just get it from the Appstore (if it isn’t already preinstalled and the default)

    Evil_Shrubbery ,

    The best time was always.

    MrSqueezles ,

    Last I checked, Firefox had also been switching to Manifest v3 because they’re also combating the tide of add-ons that pretend to do something useful, but actually steal your information. They asked uBlock at least a few times how they could build Manifest v3 in a way that’d be compatible. Instead of the browser asking about each URL, thereby giving the add-on access to personal information, uBlock could tell the browser what to block. uBlock’s answer was always, “No. That’s not good enough. Give the add-on access to URLs.” It seemed to me like every time uBlock was approached, they turned to news sites to complain and IIR, the feature that would have given uBlock some functionality was removed from v3 because if nobody’s going to use it, why build it?

    I wonder, now that uBlock has conflated the discussion of, “How much should extensions be able to see and modify URLs you’re visiting?”, with, “v3 is a war on ad blockers!”, how quickly Firefox will move forward with v3, if at all.

    avidamoeba ,
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    I think a lot of people don’t realize what a gaping security hole extensions can be. Back in the 2000s, I’d install almost anything that seemed useful without realizing the amount of data that goes through them.

    nutsack ,

    haha what a cool recurring post

    corsicanguppy ,

    As a user of Seamonkey - which you’d know as Mozilla, the app that Mozilla the company ditched for being ‘too hard’ - I have to say no. While I trust they’re not as evil as Google, I don’t trust them to do the hard part of actual software maintenance.

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