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hotkinkyjo ,

www.vidlii.com/watch?v=njL4HaoY8lW

doodledup ,

Grow up.

Jenntron ,
@Jenntron@lemmy.world avatar

It blows my mind how many people do you not understand how essentially useless Chrome is now and how much it has changed.

TangledHyphae ,

What I don’t get is that my browser experience is legitimately better overall, I don’t know what was keeping me from switching all these years. Familiarity perhaps.

tpihkal ,

I had the same reaction. Used to love Firefox with all it’s awesome plugins but it took me soo long to go back to it. I just became so used to Chrome that the switch seemed daunting, although, I’ll admit it took a little while to get comfortable with it again.

Chakravanti ,

In my book, nothing changed because I refuse to run anything closed source on MY computer.

aidan ,

Very Stallman of you, unfortunately for many people’s use cases they will want at least proprietary video codecs or drivers. You could even argue using most websites with minified JS is closed source.

Chakravanti , (edited )

Whatever you’re willing to be exterminated for.

Edit: All you fucking morons come here and downvote me but fact of the matter is you will all die and there will be zero reproduction of humanity in far less than a decade from now.

Only Free and Open Source AI Software will save you. Only. But go on, like your vote makes any fucking difference.

ours ,

Well, that escalated quickly.

Chakravanti ,

You’re missing shit. Like, the fact that you and everyone else will die for ignorance of the only survival possible on this planet being FOSS.

Neither I nor you escalated shit. The patriarchy in its attempt to murder everyone already did that. You’re just ignorant of that and misread that happening here and now.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

The… patriarchy.

That was an unexpected addition to your disassociated rants.

Chakravanti ,

Dissociated? Just exactly what do you draw that from? I ain’t chugged in months…lol.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

chugged? what? lol.

Chakravanti ,

If you’re ignorant, then I ain’t helping.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Good, because no-one asked for your help.

What I was doing was laughing at your absurdity and stupidity. It’s pretty funny :)

Chakravanti ,

Good for you. You don’t deserve to achieve a better perspective.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Hahahahhh! 🤣

That is laughing. I wrote laughing so you would get the idea that I was laughing. I was laughing.

At you.

At you, I was laughing.

Because you’re a fucking clown. 🤡

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Also:

lol.

YungOnions ,

Why’re you so angry over this?

Chakravanti ,

You read emotions in words written down. You a fishing. You are ignorant.

YungOnions ,

I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying. I’m genuinely curious as to why you’re getting so angry over this, that’s all.

Chakravanti ,

There’s no angry. You’re reading shit. Not observing a person.

YungOnions ,

OK, but can you see how calling people ‘fucking morons’ and saying they will all die might be misconstrued as sounding angry? This is obviously a topic you care about, else you wouldn’t have commented at all. Do you think that adjusting your perceived tone might improve how you interact with people on a topic you care about?

Chakravanti ,

Maybe. I’m working on that but prolly won’t go far. I don’t really give a fuck. Especially when you’re a moron that thinks they can read people’s emotions…digitally.

homicidalrobot ,

I don’t have to physically view you to know you are torn up over this or generally an asshole. You’re arguing for the sake of arguing and bitching about internet points.

Chakravanti ,

Nope. Nope. Nope. Keeptryingg, asshole too.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Definitely an asshole, but isn’t self-aware at all either. They’re all Elon-Musking this thread; thinking they’re all super smart and aware, and in complete denial of reality. “You can’t convey emotions with words! That’s unpossible!” 😂🤦

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

they can read people’s emotions…digitally.

People have been expressing emotion in the written form since writing has been a thing.

An Internet search on “expressing emotion in writing” will give you an education on the subject.

Chakravanti ,

No, sure, of course. But this ain’t no book.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

This is just an amazing example of being neuro-atypical.

Sociopath? Autism? Some spicy mix of hormones and Mountain Dew? I dunno. But when someone is swearing, ranting and blaming the end of the world on the patriarchy and closed source AI, we can safely say they have lost touch with reality.

Chakravanti ,

You’ve lost touch with reality. Enjoy your end of all human ends.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

I do love a good human end now and then.

Chakravanti ,

There’s only one of which I speak, if you, apparently, can’t read.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

You don’t know know what a good ass fucking is, but I’ll give you a hint - it starts in your end.

YungOnions ,

That’s good that you’re working on it. I’m sure that must be hard work, so good for you. In terms of reading people’s emotions digitally, I’m sure you can see how someone’s emotions could be inferred via the words they type online? And the words you’re typing seem very hostile for no obvious reason.

Chakravanti ,

inferred via the words they type online?

You’re not psychic. You’re playing stupid games implying shit you don’t know.

the words you’re typing seem

Seem? Keep trying.

YungOnions ,

OK, so help me out. What should people imply from your words? I assure you I’m not trying to play ‘stupid games’ I’m genuinely just trying to have a conversation.

Chakravanti ,

Do research. Discover the world will end for all human life, soon. Read and/or listen to the words of Richard Stallman as philosophy behind FOSS. The latter is tough for most. Realize that without FOSS software behind AI then some asshole will be a jackass and that no real help will be acquired for anyone because closed source will give that asshole secret insructions.

It’s just basic logic. I’m sick. I’m sick folks don’t do basic logic on software and run anything anyone else writes on “their” computer.

YungOnions ,

OK, thanks. That’s sounds important, so I’ll look into it. I can understand you’re frustrated. I imagine it’s hard work getting people to understand, and it seems like something you’ve identified as important.

Chakravanti ,

It’s not dramatic beyond that If you don’t understand, everyone dies. Soon.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

😂🤣😂 🤡 👍

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

So angry and hostile. Tsk tsk.

Chakravanti ,

Keep trying, wannabe psychic.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

You think I want to be a psychic? That’s awfully presumptuous of you. Almost like you think you’re psychic, making these assumptions.

See what I did there? 😂 Fuck you’re dumb.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

You’re the worst closed source AI ever.

Chakravanti ,

Ignorant failure.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

That’s what your mother wanted to name you, but instead let RND(26) do it for her.

Chakravanti ,

Keep trying.

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’d mark this comment to return to in 10 years, but I have a sneaking suspicion you won’t be around to answer me when I point out that we are all neither dead, or sterile.

So I’m just gonna say, 10 years early: Lol

uranibaba ,

We need a remind me bot. I’ll make one in 10 years when I have the time.

Chakravanti ,

If it ain’t global soaring, it’s viral (synthetic or genetic, don’t matter), or war & tyrrany, pollution & poison, I’m only saying probably within a decade but I guarenfuckingtee it won’t make two.

ava ,

there are many reasons to prefer chromium based browsers, security being one of them

am not saying that firefox is inherently bad, but that there are valid reasons to use something else. I know that this is considered a hot take on lemmy but it needs to be said

Skimmer ,

They said Chrome specifically, not Chromium as a whole.

ava ,

by Chrome they usually mean chromium and all of its derivatives since those will also get mv3 unless they specifically opt out

ilinamorato ,

On balance, though, since most people go almost exclusively to well-known, uncompromised websites that are legitimate and also trying to harvest data, privacy protections are more important. Defend against the attacks you know are happening and all.

Besides, most attacks are social engineering these days, and even the most secure browser on earth won’t defend against that. The recent flurry of high profile YouTube account hijacks was accomplished via malware that stole session tokens from both Chrome and Firefox.

ava ,

both privacy and security are important and neither one is going to save you from a social engineering attack.

and besides, trusting on your users to only go to well known websites isn’t something you should rely on.

but yeah, I totally get your point

ilinamorato ,

Agreed all around.

guacupado ,

Not to mention that Youtube and Chrome are run by the same company.

Koordinator_O ,
@Koordinator_O@lemmy.world avatar

What about chrome is useless? What makes chrome so useless that a normie would want it to change? In the end both let you browse the internet just fine. from work i use Firefox and at home i had chrome for years. I did not recognise any diffrenses except ram usage and it beeing a Google product. I changed to firefox at home a few months back so it is the same at work and at home. Can’t say it feels any snapier or whatever. For a normie Privacy is no reason to change. They don’t care. Ram, they probably don’t even know what that is. You have to search for new extensions in the mozilla store if the same one you used does not exist there. That is the reason firefox will not dominate Chrome in my opinion. For a normie there is absolutely no reason to change and normies are the majority of people. Some anecdotal story. At work i installed for some colleges Adblockers because the said some of the ads where anoying and after i did in the following months one after another wanted me to deactivate it again because they could not figure out to visit some websites. As i offered them to show them how they could get around it they just denied. “that is to complicated for me.” So yeah. Normies do not care and even worse adblock blockers work.

Imactuallyanandroid ,

I’ve started making the switch. The only thing that’s holding me back fully is the google search function. I just don’t get as accurate results on Firefox as I do on Chrome

SeaJ ,

I use Firefox but there are web apps that just plain do not test on it. Office 365 is one of those and Word is basically non functional…more than normal.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I can’t even log in to Lemmy properly on FireFox for mobile. And many drop down type selection boxes across tons of websites also do not work on either mobile or desktop versions of FireFox; this one irritates me most, because this was an issue years ago when I first was using it before Chrome existed and one of the reasons I originally switched to Chrome over FF at that time. It’s been over 10 years and still hasn’t been fixed.

Gabu ,

Never encountered either problem.

Delusion6903 ,

not here either

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

For me it’s the opposite. There’s a few sites that have a lot of problems with chrome but work all fine with Firefox. But then these pages are also a good decade old

BlackSkinnedJew ,

Or you can DNS level blocking + NewPipe(SponsorBlock)

Lyricism6055 ,

dns level blocking doesn’t work nearly as well as ublock. Not sure what newpipe is (checking it out now), but pihole misses a ton of things that ublock can do. Ublock can also hide elements from things like “disable your ad blocker” messages that always pop up.

I’m definitely wanting to swap back to firefox, but idk who the hell decided to remove PWA support from FF… hopefully they bring that back.

BlackSkinnedJew ,

Yeah DNS blocking it’s not perfect but it works almost on all apps WO having to install anything in the OS, I’m using right now NextDNS+NewPipe(SponsorBlock)+ViMusic+Brave and everything it’s going smooth AF. For services like Facebook and YouTube you need forcedly use a free front-end or a modded app.

rustydomino ,
@rustydomino@lemmy.world avatar

pi-hole works great for blocking ads on IoT devices. My number one client that gets the most blocks from my pi-hole is my Roku device.

netchami ,

Don’t use Brave, LibreWolf is far better and unlike Brave it doesn’t support the Chromium monopoly

BlackSkinnedJew ,

Is there any good alternative for Brave over Android?

netchami ,

Mull is great

BlackSkinnedJew ,

I will check it mate thx for the info 👍👍

teejay ,

pihole misses a ton of things that ublock can do

This seems like more of an issue of the adlists you use in pihole. Pihole’s blocking is only as good as the adlists you use on it. I’ve been running a pihole on my home network for years, and I find that as long as I take a few minutes to update the adlists (add new ones, remove dead ones) once or twice a year, it nukes nearly everything. And it’s amazing for blocking things on IoT devices where ublock origin will never be a thing.

Also, they’re not mutually exclusive – one can certainly use both. I use pihole on my home network, and run ffox + UBO on my computers and phone.

Lyricism6055 ,

There are ads baked in to some websites. Facebook ads make it past pihole.

I personally use both at home I’m just saying pihole doesn’t get everything that unlock does so I always run both

baatliwala ,

I mean you can do that and use Firefox, it’s not going to hurt.

BlackSkinnedJew ,

Yeah I definitely have to try Firefox at least to know how it run nowdays.

netchami ,

+1 for DNS level ad/tracker blocking. Everyone should check out NextDNS or self host Pi-Hole.

You should still use Firefox or LibreWolf though. Mull is awesome on mobile, it’s the closest thing to LibreWolf.

For YouTube, you can use alternative clients like Piped or Invidious in combination with LibRedirect to automatically redirect all YouTube links. On mobile, I recommend LibreTube for Android, Yattee with this guide on iOS and SmartTubeNext on Android TV.

BlackSkinnedJew ,

👍👍 thx for the info mate…

devilish666 ,

I like Firefox as default browser, but if i need something more secure i choose FireDragon

Mandy ,

thank you comment section, lemmy is so obnoxious when it comes to firefox ill be going with something chromium based soon now out of spite

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Enjoy your ads because adblock on chromium fails

Mandy ,

my man, not only have several forks got inbuild adblockers that wont be affected by manifestv3, ublock origin already got a working version for a long time

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Say that to YouTube when they tell you “UwU please turn off your Adblocker”

That’s the problem with Chromium based browsers.

Mandy ,

your own fault for watching youtube directly and i never had that on a chromium browser, only ever on firefox

therealjcdenton ,

You’re telling me people actually still use chrome?

Zeroxxx ,
@Zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id avatar

They are. In fact, they make up 60 plus percent of world-wide browser users.

Don’t forget that Chrome is Android’s default browser.

therealjcdenton ,

And that’s a problem

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I like Librewolf better

Sanyanov ,

I.e. Firefox

Whatever forks you choose, they’d better be based off Gecko-based browsers, and the only one now is Firefox (and all that forked from it)

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Librewolf is firefox without the bloat.

Sanyanov , (edited )

Yes, essentially. But that’s still Firefox, and it makes sense to refer to it as such when talking about global things like Manifest V2 support, adblocking, and other basic functional blocks from eagle view.

And then we can go into details and talk about differences between Firefox forks, Librewolf being just one of the most popular. This is important to talk about, just not in this particular context.

It’s like uniting and arguing in favor of Linux regardless of the distros - distro wars are still valid, but not something we should immediately load onto a Windows user. Heck, even if person goes for a goddamn Ubuntu, it will be an improvement. Same logic.

Danakin ,

Firefox is my daily driver, but oooh how I miss native tab groups like they have on most chromium browsers right in the tab bar. Extensions like simple tab groups just hit differently and are inferior…

uranibaba ,

I feel you. STG is the best addon I could find, I tried Floorp but it just was not the same thing.

Thetimefarm ,

Are there any settings you can tweak in the about:config page? That’s how you have to enable the compact tab size, which is annoying.

UnfairUtan ,

I totally agree. Especially now that you can save the tab groups like bookmarks (experimental flag in chromium)

jedi ,

i’ve been on Firefox in the last 8 years. i don’t even know what’s going on in Chrome and other browsers lol.

FakinUpCountryDegen ,

Same… I don’t understand the appeal of Chrome. I think they used a new java engine like 10 years ago and beat Firefox in a handful of benchmarks, and then Firefox conclusively and irreconcilably trounced Chrome a few months later, never letting up a bit.

uranibaba ,

I remember when they released Firefox Quantum. Too many tabs was never a problem again.

Johanno ,

I mean I tried to download the official minecraft client for debian and was not able to on Firefox.

Microsoft disabled the site on non Chrome browser

limelight79 ,

This sounded weird to me, so I just tried it. Running Firefox on Kubuntu, I just downloaded it with one click from here.

Johanno ,

Well didn’t work for me on debian

Lyricism6055 ,

user agent switching is fortunately not too difficult to do.

uranibaba ,

Are you sure? I just tested and after logging in, the option to download the launcher was there (popos/firefox).

Johanno ,

Maybe my adblocker is the issue

Draconic_NEO ,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Just tried it myself and it doesn’t have any issues at all. It seems like it might be an issue with something else on your end.

Though honestly I’d strongly recommend against using the Official launcher as it has been known to introduce bugs and in general has poorer support for mods. I prefer the MultiMC forks like Prism, which don’t have the bugs the official one does.

Johanno ,

I wanted sth that is updated by my system and the flatpak I found logged me in as a unsecure user or I had to login at each launch

celeste ,

Tbf every time is the best time to switch to Firefox

YuriJace ,

I would gladly if their Android app wasn’t filled with bugs and performance issues on my phone

MrMonkey ,

It’s bad on Android, but is good on desktop

limerod ,

Considering, the mobile browser also has addons and will gain hundreds more in a few months. It’s a no-brainer.

Gumus ,

This. Youtube is getting progressively more annoying (my train to switch on PC), but what pushed me was Dark Reader on mobile.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Am I the only one concerned Google may try to pull a fast one and block Mozilla from using the Widevine DRM?

ilmagico ,

Time to boycott widevine and insist websites switch to an open standard … (though honestly good luck with that, Google might very well win that battle)

ilmagico ,

Also, Google could just more simply stop funding Firefox: Mozilla gets a lot of money from Google just to be the default search engine. Then again, maybe Firefox can switch to Bing or Duckduckgo, though I don’t know if those would pay as well as Google.

decisivelyhoodnoises ,
@decisivelyhoodnoises@sh.itjust.works avatar

Google is not funding Firefox only for the search engine being default. Google needs to keep Firefox alive because it is their sole competitor. If Firefox (Mozilla) goes down, Google can be accused for monopoly practices which is something they want to avoid.

ilmagico ,

I mean, they could also argue that all the Chromium based browsers are not Chrome, and so there is competition (we know how it really is, of course, but they have good lawyers…).

But I’m sure that’s at least part of the reason why they keep funding it.

decisivelyhoodnoises ,
@decisivelyhoodnoises@sh.itjust.works avatar

Chromium comes straight out of Google though. It is not another browser. It is the same engine. They give their engine for free and different companies use it to make their own flavors of the engine of the “Google browser”.

They’re actually increasing the market share of their browser engine by having chromium open source.This is not competition.

Mozilla has good lawyers too.

acockworkorange ,

Nah they don’t. If they had, the whole IE2 debacle would have been over in a court of law.

ilmagico ,

Yes of course, but I guess they could argue that legally they don’t count as the same browser, because each company using chromium as a base for their browser is adding or changing it as they like.

Someone could, in fact, fork Chromium and bring back support for Manifest V2 extensions, or disable whatever things Google does to block ad blockers (and in fact, I bet someone will).

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Not that easy since the W3C mandates everyone use Widevine or something similar. There was such a shitshow over this that the EFF pulled out of the org.

Google has the internet by the danglies via this little whatsit and the W3C can do nothing about it, because Google accounts for a sizable amount of their funding, and dropping Widevine/EME would break everything.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

I’ve never seen any websites use it… btw mozilla kinda abuses widevine by running it in an isolated container (because no one wants proprietary drm software running directly on their machines!)

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I wouldn’t really call that an abuse.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

is there a word for good kind of abuse (?)

Smokeydope ,
@Smokeydope@lemmy.world avatar

The people who know what UBO or a firefox even is is the vast minority. Google could single handedly completely fuck over the free internet and a majority still wouldn’t give a fuck as long as they get that sweet sweet one click convinence. The average consumer who plays on their phone and tappy taps on their laptop have zero clue how their devices actually work, or that there are more privacy friendly options. They just want their shit to work, privacy and daddy google violating their basic human rights be damned.

Oh and also some websites make it a huge pain in the ass if you aren’t using chromium. I think its a bit of a conspiracy but could be wrong.

Also stop shilling firefox and start shilling Librewolf

Lyricism6055 ,

is librewolf on mobile?

Smokeydope ,
@Smokeydope@lemmy.world avatar

Nope only desktop. FF on mobile does have UBO available to install and I hear they are making plans to have all desktop addons be available on mobile at some point. I use kiwi browser for mobile. It is unfortunately chromium based but lets you install all the desktop adds from the chrome store including UBO

Ecksell ,

The average consumer who plays on their phone and tappy taps on their laptop have zero clue how their devices actually work, or that there are more privacy friendly options.

Doesn’t this apply to most things? Phones, laptops, desktops…and cars, refrigerators, garage door openers, light bulbs, etc etc

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