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miridius ,

It would be nice to spend one day on Lemmy without seeing a half dozen posts telling me to switch to Firefox nor 100 comments on every post that’s even vaguely browser-adjacent about how ever since they switched to Firefox their life has been nothing but joy and rainbows

AeonFelis ,

May I interest about about switching to Arch Linux instead?

madscience ,

I’m using arch and Firefox. But I keep chrome as a backup because I also have a ton of nest devices… Is your mind blown?

Abhishmuk ,

If it makes you feel any better (it probably doesn’t), the same article was on reddit too. And hackernews also had it hit the frontpage.

Zacryon , (edited )

I’m using Firefox basically since it came into existence and my life is depressing and sucks. But at least I can browse the web without being tracked so hard by Google and others while trusting on an open source project whose first priorities are its users and not profit.

Strawberry ,

Switch to Firefox now OR ELSE (you’ll miss out on the joy and rainbows)

xradeon ,

Holy crap yes, honestly I get so tired of these firefox posts. I only get a Lemmy once a week or so now just cause every post is literally just how bad Chrome is and why you should switch to Firefox. XD

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

You are free to filter instances, communities and users.

applejacks ,
@applejacks@lemmy.world avatar

agree, no matter what communities you browse, you just get repeatedly hit over the head with the same 5 topics.

Bulletdust ,

I didn’t switch to anything, I simply never stopped using Firefox as there was no pressing need to do so.

interceder270 ,

Start hanging out in different communities.

Make those other posts.

skeeter_dave ,

People who are on an open source reddit alternative like open source software and an open internet, holy shit!

indigomirage ,

I love Firefox. Love it.

But I keep coming across sites that don’t function properly with it. Is this Firefox’s fault? No - Firefox follows standards nicely. But growing numbers of sites don’t, and this is a big problem at a micro and macro level.

Chrome seems to have such a foothold that it is getting away with embrace/extend/extinguish and I think it’s a very sad thing.

raptir ,

This is an especially common problem on Android. I have found many sites whose mobile version simply does not work in Firefox. It’s very frustrating.

denast ,

I also feel their number grew in the last year. I’ve recently tried using Mull again (mobile firefox privacy-focused fork) after using Bromite for a year, and it was so unbearable I had to switch back. I’d say I had less websites that worked than ones that did not

raptir ,

Unfortunately tracker blocking can lead to even more issues as many sites have started relying on it for basic functionality.

asap ,
@asap@feddit.de avatar

Have you got an example I can test? I switched to Firefox mobile over a year ago and I can’t think of any time I’ve come across a site that didn’t work.

raptir ,

The most recent issue I had was Birds and Beans “manage subscription” page so I don’t think you can test that without a coffee subscription. But here is a screenshot:

https://lemdro.id/pictrs/image/e7aa3fda-4757-4468-a62a-3d4a46f579c8.jpeg

I’m not sure why it says “nightly” as I’m on the stable version.

AceSLS ,

This isn’t Firefoxs fault though, is it? Just a bad Website putting arbitrary restrictions in place

raptir ,

Not Firefox’s fault at all. Just a website not following web standards.

TheGiantKorean ,
@TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world avatar

I tried to bring this up as an issue back on Reddit, and I got downvoted into oblivion.

I think sometimes switching your use agent to Chrome can bypass some issues.

neutron ,

So many tech minded people, but at same time, so many of us fail to consider others POV and priorities.

JUST DON’T VISIT THAT WEBSITE! - sure bro, that means i won’t be able to pay the bills this month because the only traditional way of doing this is visiting a physical kiosk at working hour. Did i mention that i gotta work?

Similar with messaging apps.

YOU NEED BETTER FRIENDS LOL - trust me I’ve tried. i also need to send my resume using this app to whoever interviewing me. no, no email. yes, i tried teling that. no, i won’t be that guy preaching about software freedom when all i want is a fucking job.

indigomirage , (edited )

The first sites I really noticed it on were banking sites. Pretty much essential. Then I noticed more and more sites. Switching to chrome based solved it. But it really, really bothers me that I had to resort to that.

Would love to just ignore such sites, but that becomes a pretty big ask… Sigh

ugo ,

Where do you live where banking sites don’t follow industry standards, even for web development?

I’ve never had a problem with a website outright not working on Firefox, although in some cases features are restricted which usually just require a user agent change (like huddles on slack).

Do you have concrete examples of websites that outright don’t work on Firefox?

Patches ,

There is an addon that does this automatically.

Some pages load weird like a pop-up on mobile that should take over your view window is a side bar instead. Still fully functional but slightly harder to read.

But you know what makes it way harder to read? Ads

TheGiantKorean ,
@TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve visited pages in Chrome without an ad blocker… Almost unusable, my eyes couldn’t even focus on what I actually needed to do.

Patches ,

I’m not sure if it’s better, or worse, than the cancer that was the dot come era. Pop-ups everywhere. Random fucking toolbars. So many toolbars. A clippy version of a titty dancer if you’re unlucky.

dubyakay ,

Make sure to only do that temporarily and only if it’s absolutely necessary. Otherwise just avoid using said website and look for alternatives.

agent_flounder ,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

That was Internet Explorer 20 years ago and look where we are now.

I personally can’t remember the last time I had issues with a site on Firefox in the last few years since I switched.

kratoz29 ,

Chrome turning into Internet Explorer was something that I didn’t foresee some years ago.

Heck they have literally done that with Edge lol.

rambaroo ,

The teams web app was borked for me on Firefox at one point. Idk if it’s still like that. Also Google Chat or whatever tf it’s called now disables a bunch of features on Firefox.

Still worth it to switch. 99% of websites work just fine. They basically have to intentionally design sites to not work with FF.

Bogasse ,
@Bogasse@lemmy.ml avatar

Ah yes wtf is Teams doing!? Some arbitrary features are blocked on Firefox, like you can’t direct call someone but you can be part of a group call 🤪

But I don’t think Microsoft’s online suite is a reference, most of it feels buggy or bloated at best.

Deckweiss ,

Makes sense since the browser microsoft pushes on it’s users is chrome based.

Just spoof the user agent and it works fine.

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Those are literally restrictions placed by the site in question, not a limitation of Firefox. Get a user agent changer, and set the user agent to the “required” browser, and magically it will work!

Veticia ,
@Veticia@lemmy.ml avatar

When I was using Firefox I felt like spoofing user agent was essential to make websites work the way they were supposed to. I could loose some rounded corners here and there but it was still better that some features completely missing

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

Been using it for years, and the only few times I had issues was due to worthless websites creating artificial obstacles with an “unsupported browser/OS” page or banner rather than something actually breaking for being incompatible.

yesmeisyes ,

Discord and spotify web versions don’t work on Firefox for me. On discord in can’t connect to a call and Spotify doesn’t play songs or it takes a long time after pressing play for the song to start playing.

ugo ,

Both work flawlessly for me. In fact, discord on Firefox works much better than the standalone app specifically for calls.

Sounds to me like something is broken or misconfigured on your system.

yesmeisyes ,

Good to know. I’ll try reinstalling Firefox. Both of these work flawlessly on edge for me.

agent_flounder ,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Interesting. I will have to try discord. I’ve used Spotify with no issues.

space ,

We should add another E… Embrace, extend, extinguish and enshittify.

VicentAdultman ,

Mr. Lahey?

shadearg ,
@shadearg@lemmy.world avatar

“Eye am the liquor, Bobandy.”

ysjet ,

I keep seeing this sentiment on these posts, often with a suspicious number of up votes that don’t seem to correlate how many up votes everything else in the topic get.

Literally the only place I have EVER seen this issue was a state toll road website, which was using a timezones that didn’t actually exist but chrome added (and documented on the Internet to trick people into using it). A simple email to the website with an explanation and the correct timezones name and the problem was fixed.

Pretty sure a lot of this sentiment is either astroturfing, or people passing on astroturfing trying to be helpful.

sfxrlz ,

Yeah, I’ve been exclusively using Firefox dev edition for the last 2-3 ys. I can’t remember one site not functioning properly apart from the odd visual bug from time to time.

indigomirage ,

Typically banking sites for me. And a few others.

Salix , (edited )

But I keep coming across sites that don’t function properly with it. Is this Firefox’s fault? No - Firefox follows standards nicely. But growing numbers of sites don’t, and this is a big problem at a micro and macro level.

Reminder for others that they can report to Web Compat

indigomirage ,

This is a good comment! I’ve reported to them in the past. A good reminder.

Rai ,

That’s such bullshit. People keep saying SO MANY SITES DONT WORK ON FOREFUX

with zero examples.

I see no examples. You’re making a ridiculous claim with no proof and I’m astounded at how many people believe you here.

indigomirage ,

I think someone needs a hug.

Rai ,

I still see only empty claims lawl

jetsetdorito ,

on desktop I don’t think I ever notice an issue, but on mobile it’s really noticable

berg ,

Give me examples. I’ve been using Firefox exclusively for over ten years and I can recall one website I’ve had to use chrome on. That was draw.io to get shared drawing through a Google drive to work.

Alpha71 ,

For me there are certain sites where the site icon doesn’t show up in my bookmarks. While not world shattering, it can be annoying.

heygooberman ,
@heygooberman@lemmy.today avatar

While I largely agree with the options that Tuta provides, I think the article could’ve been more succinct and to the point if they condensed all the Firefox forks like PaleMoon and WaterFox under one category. Also, I’m not sure if Brave should be on this list, not just because of their Chromium foundation but also because of their use of cryptocurrency, something I consider very suspicious and unsustainable. Finally, I question whether DuckDuckGo should be on the list. True, they are more private when compared to Google and all, but aren’t they limited to what they can block through their contract with Microsoft? I remember hearing/reading something about that.

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Brave is even worse. The people behind it donate to an anti LGBT org.

Tom_bishop ,

Without this fiasco, i would’ve still use chrome. Yeah, now i use firefox.

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

I used to use edge. Switched to Firefox and started using duckduckgo out of protest after my pal got screwed over by Google products

Destraight ,

I don’t want to

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Man goes into icecream store, yells “I don’t want icecream” for no reason. More at 11

Rockyrikoko ,

I’m trying to make the switch to Firefox, but I’m running into some issues. The main one being, I travel internationally a lot for work and rely heavily on chrome automatically translating every web page I visit. Is there a way to have this on both my desktop and mobile (android)? When I look at the available extensions there are like 15 available… Thankfully one of them is uBlock Origin

Killercat103 ,
@Killercat103@infosec.pub avatar

Firefox does now have built-in page translation that runs offline. While it’s not the best one out there it only needs to connect to the internet once to download the translation data.

sergih ,

I know they recently put the feature in the desktop, did they dobit on mobile too tho?

Lyricism6055 ,

FF doesn’t do that I think. There are addons that u can use for it though.

negativeyoda ,

pushed up glasses

It motivated me to finally set up pi hole in my old raspberry pi I wasnt using, so there’s that

arakash ,

doesn’t help with youtube ads unfortunately

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

A mix of things helps. For most, pi hole/adguard home covers you. For YouTube ads there are a large number of addons and extensions that still cover that. (I actually pay for family premium out of Turkey for various reasons.)

On TV you’ve got iSponsorBlock which can both mute and auto skip (when the skip button becomes available) the ads when they come up, with the added benefit of being able to skip in video sponsoring/ads. And it doesn’t even need to be running on your local network.

There are solutions, just gotta dig around a little bit.

negativeyoda ,

Generally no, but I’ve noticed a couple of times where it said “1 of 2 ads”, 1 ad played, there was a pause, and it went back to the content.

I try to use Libretube on mobile

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

I switched from Chrome and it was seamless. After a few weeks I didn’t notice any negative difference.

Engywuck ,

Nope. Brave with its builtin adblocker is more than enough. I’d dare to say that any browser with builtin adblocker is going to be more than enough.

p.s.:

“Yeah, but the guy donate 1000 $ to some anti-LGBT org years ago”, “yeah, but the referral stuff”, more crap bullshit, etc… Don’t care. It’s fucking browser, not a religion.

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Brave uses chromium.

Engywuck , (edited )

Thanks for schooling this ex-FF users for almost 20 years. /s

Who cares? It works for me AND I have come to despise Mozilla, so… Brave it it for me.

And no, inbluilt adblockers won’t be affected. They are not extensions. Google can’t do anything about them.

P.S. don’t bother replying, I’m not going to read and I’m not open to debate. Mozilla’s shills/bootlickers better don’t waste their time. Downvote and move along.

Sheeple , (edited )
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

YouTube: “Please turn off your Adblocker”

Chromium user: 😮

Chromium based browsers have a tendency to get their adblocking detected more easily. Edge and Brave are known to be compromised in that way and unable to watch YouTube. Firefox meanwhile isn’t.

Edit: FYI since you’re so butthurt about people replying like the child you are. The replies are also to show others why you are so intensly wrong. You got to post your objectively wrong opinion here, we have all the right to reply

Yoz ,

Lol.is it actually blocked in chrome?

radioactiveradio ,

I clicked and lol.is is under construction apparently.

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, lets switch to questionable ethics company number 2 and shady finances.

I used to use Firefox as my primary browser and sometimes even recommended it, but after all those articles I started digging a bit and doing research on what the browser calls and does and I was bit horrified. What I really don’t like about this Mozilla situation is that tech people tend to see them as the “all savior Mozilla” while, in fact, they’re full of shit.

If you do care about freedom and your privacy use LibreWolf or Ungoogled Chromium.

Contend6248 ,

What are these sources, but yes, LibreWolf is the way to go

SatyrSack ,

If you do care about freedom and your privacy use LibreWolf or Ungoogled Chromium.

Neither of which are mentioned in the article, for some reason.

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Neither of which are mentioned in the article, for some reason.

What’s your point? The articles are about why you should avoid Firefox… not about suggesting alternatives.

SatyrSack ,

That is exactly the point of the article

Today we will go ahead and take a look at a number of privacy-oriented web browsers outside those provided by Big Tech, which treat you like a human being and not a bullseye for targeted advertisement revenue.

Contend6248 ,

Why settle for less anyway, Firefox all the way

interceder270 ,

Why settle for less

Because I’m a tool.

superweeniehutjrs ,

If you are concerned about things like PWAs like I was, try it out anyway. PWAs require a bit more setup, but are a lot more flexible in Firefox. For example, PWAs with http connections have a huge banner in Chrome, and just an icon in Firefox. Everything I’ve noticed is that firefox is just as snappy as Chrome

qaz ,

I thought PWA’s didn’t work on Firefox. That’s good to know, because I’ve been using chromium specifically for PWA’s.

gila ,

Same here, I tried the PWAsForFirefox extension a few years back and found the setup to be too much of a pain in the ass compared to the Chromium forks. I tried again around 9-12 months ago when Manifest V3 drama was making the rounds and found the extension had been overhauled and that’s no longer a problem. As a bonus each PWA is a self-contained browser instance, so performance is improved when only the PWA is open, and extensions are per-PWA. So I can run only Purple Adblock on my Twitch PWA, or only uBlock for Youtube, etc.

I_Miss_Daniel ,

I’m using them heavily as well. Mostly good. Painful though when moving between computers as you have to set them up on each one. If they can get it to sync eventually that’d be handy.

surewhynotlem ,

What PWA do you use? I think they’re a neat idea but I haven’t come up with an actual use case yet.

I_Miss_Daniel ,

Gmail x2. Pulse SMS. Keep. Calendar. Whatsapp, Facebook, Messenger. All as task bar icons.

I used to use Chrome for this but every now and then it’d break and they would either open in the wrong profile, or they’d add a tab to the main browser rather than opening as a window.

gila , (edited )

I just use it for any tab which I always have open, so they’re organised on my taskbar. That way I don’t end up with 40 tabs of like 5 different websites that I just pathologically open up a new tab for each time I revisit, having to scan through them all each time I want to switch to find one from before. That’s an ADHD thing though. Effectively for some websites I want the tab to always be pinned and easily accessible with a large icon for a visual cue, and this way that all happens automatically

superweeniehutjrs ,

Any idea how to get links clicked in a PWA like Google Messages to open in a normal browser tab? I’ve tried nothing.

gila ,

Go to the PWA settings and enable “Open out-of-scope URLs in a default browser” and restart your PWAs.

smileyhead ,

Why would I use a PWA on the desktop?

superweeniehutjrs ,

I mainly use them when I want something windowed but without tabs taking up space. Like monitoring my solar panels

acockworkorange ,

Aesthetic and productivity. Which are good reasons.

Let’s say you access your company ERP system through a PWA, or the HR system. You want to alt tab back and forth to it like a regular app. You’re checking supplier data on the web and entering it on the system. It’s a lot easier to do so if your ERP is an app. But if it’s not available as a native app, PWA is a good alternative.

Jyek ,

It’s a shame that Firefox is still heavily reliant on Google. It’s not chrome but we really do need some competition in this space that doesn’t feed the monster and is also not safari lol.

Zacryon ,

How does it rely on Google?

sir_reginald ,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

funding, mainly.

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

That’s right. If chrome didn’t suck that much, no one would be funding firefox. Thanks Google!

Zacryon ,

Oh yeah, good point. Well at least that’s just a deal to set the default search engine. Is there more?

SourceSeeker ,

More, as far as I know. Google has to at least keep it afloat, or else be accused of being a monopoly. It’s a small price to pay for them.

ours ,

Much like Microsoft bailing out Apple back in the day.

Finance an underdog so when someone complains about anti-competitiveness, you can point your finger at them and claim there’s healthy competition.

Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

Something like 90% of Mozilla’s funding comes from Google paying them to make Google the default search engine in Firefox.

OrangeCorvus ,
@OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world avatar

I would love to use Firefox, would switch in an instant but the browser feels so barebones. I’m using Vivaldi and that’s how I think Firefox should have been, tons of options and features. Don’t want to install extensions that might be sold to the highest bidder.

Jungle , (edited )

I use LibreWolf because Firefox feels to bloated

We are not the same

OrangeCorvus ,
@OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, that’s how it should be and I think a browser should adapt to the user.

KonalaKoala ,
@KonalaKoala@lemmy.world avatar

LibreFox

I think you mean LibreWolf there.

Jungle ,

I do. Corrected.

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