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KillingTimeItself , in FLOSS communities right now

PLEASE I BEG OF YOU, STOP USING DISCORD IN PLACE OF FORUMS AND PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE BOARDS!

ALostInquirer ,

While I agree, what might everyday people use to set up forums as relatively easily and cheaply as their Discord servers, and not have them riddled with ads or other clunky elements?

I’m pretty sure those that may have even been considering forums went to Discord because the only other options were more involved in terms of set up/maintenance and cost, the latter to get something without ads.

centof ,

what might everyday people use to set up forums as relatively easily and cheaply as their Discord servers, and not have them riddled with ads or other clunky elements?

Discourse is a clean open source forum software that is commonly used for application support and well suited for it.

Or if your a real die hard for the fediverse, you could set up a lemmy instance for application support. There’s even a phpBB frontend for an oldschool forum look and feel for it.

Usually everyday people don’t setup forums, that’s the responsibility of the application owner(s) or provider. In this case, the easy option is also the shitty option if measured by discoverability of the content.

ALostInquirer ,

Usually everyday people don’t setup forums, that’s the responsibility of the application owner(s) or provider.

By this do you mean official forums? If so I think this is kind of missing some of the independent forums for software (whether games or media players or the like) or other media, which some sorta-everyday people set up in the past. Many have migrated to Discord not only because it’s easy but, I think, because it’s simply more cost-effective.

Forums don’t seem to be cheap. Discourse’s own managed hosting goes for $50 a month, from one of their partners it’s $20, and looks like somewhere in-between if you try to spin it up yourself (e.g. Digital Ocean droplet runs $4 a month, then add in domain, and mail-provider (~$20-35)). Looking at that, it’s little wonder so many either opt for official forums, unofficial subreddits, Lemmy/Kbin communities, or Discord servers instead now.

Maybe if I dug around some more I could find some options for managed hosting (which makes more sense for regular people, I think, to deal with technical maintenance) for Discourse or the like that are cheaper, but I can’t imagine one may find much that beats free. Unless there is something, unfortunately I guess we’re kind of stuck with the situation as-is barring some pleasant exceptions.

centof ,

Yeah, I was referring to official forums for technical support or feature requests and the like. I don’t really think that everyday people were usually the ones who setup forums, it is website operators and other techies who set those up. The people who setup an independent forum are not the same people who setup a discord community. Discord has a much lower barrier to entry that usually results in a lower quality information and moderation than a forum would.

I mean, yeah, forums are harder, for sure. $20-35 monthly for a mail provider seems to high to me; I would expect that to be about the yearly cost. But, I don’t really have much experience with an email provider for that use case. Really the problem lies in that a website operator and a community maintainer are 2 very different types of people that rarely intersect.

crispy_kilt ,

Github has discussions. The code is already there anyways

intensely_human ,

You can even have threads and comments attached to specific lines of code in specific commits. Github is practically effortless to set up.

jeremyparker ,

Microsoft is going to continue to increase their monetization of GitHub. It’s going to get worse, not better.

clot27 ,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

Just hoping we get some github alternative on fediverse, so far Ive seen codeberg but its hosted by a non profit org in berlin… Which is great but for e.g. I cant contribute to the code without creating an account on their instance

SeekPie ,

I really don’t know about these things, but I’ve heard that GitLab is a good alternative to GitHub?

Omniraptor ,

it used to be but they’ve been focusing heavily into corporate clients and shutting off special treatment/support for foss software projects the past couple years

jeremyparker ,

I’ve been loving Source Hut, but they’re not ready to handle GitHub-level usage

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Matrix chat works pretty well too.
It’s ~ as convenient as Discord. More convenient in certain cases. And one might be able to easily use the API to create an Archive site for all discussions in there.

In other cases, you have the ability of encrypted conversations, which of course you won’t be archiving. Right?

KillingTimeItself ,

honestly i would understand matrix more than discord, it’s a lot easier to just jump in and start existing.

po_tay_toes ,
@po_tay_toes@lemmy.sambands.net avatar

as relatively easily and cheaply

You pay more when using these types of software than if you hired an engineer to set up a complete forum ecosystem. Just not with money.

nao ,

Why not Lemmy?

KillingTimeItself ,

90% of the projects that i use and other people care about are developed by people that have the technical ability to set up and host a web server. They likely have the cash. It’s not exactly outrageously expensive. If it’s small enough they dont have the cash for it, they don’t need it.

Im guessing the discord was more of a legacy thing, someone was like “hey im having a problem, can you contact me on discord?” and then suddenly we have the rust discord server.

Tattorack ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

But Discord is too convenient.

Contend6248 ,

For a quick question yes, but if you try to search a solution for a problem it’s actual hell, 1000s of BS messages and countless other problems just thrown in one timeline.

You can either search through it for hours or ask the question which was answered 10 times before.

It’s as inefficient as it gets

tslnox ,

Also the dumb system that thinks it knows what you want to search and no exact term search feature. Yeah, the search is unusable.

KillingTimeItself ,

convenient for what? forcing me to join a server, go through onboarding, and potentially even deal with not having enough spyware loaded on my information, at best waiting 10 minutes to say ANYTHING, and at worst not being able to say anything at all.

Not to mention these on boarding processes can explode and cause problems from time to time. Discord is only convenient for real time chatting, nothing else.

technom ,

Do you know how crappy the discord client is? Even element with all its flaws behaves better.

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Discord is more analogous to IRC than web forums.

noodlejetski ,

and yet people insist on using it as a forum, wiki, issue tracker, and a support channel.

sanguine_artichoke ,
@sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social avatar

That’s the problem.

KillingTimeItself ,

honestly, i dont know why this is so downvoted, this is basically just what discord is.

amanaftermidnight ,

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  • Grass ,

    It’s awful. It goes by channel and the cursed interface make it hard to search because when you go back after viewing a post it starts at the very top again. Then people shit on you for not searching through loads of shit and normal chat channels to find a bunch of disjointed info woven into random unrelated banter.

    I miss the days when I could search the problem, open a browser tab for each one that seems relevant, and close the tab when it turns out not to be, and have my search tab right where I left it. Discord just gives me an aneurysm every time I open it and try to bungle through the UI. Not to mention being asked to sign in almost every time I open it, and they moved the qr code log in option to be harder to find on the mobile app.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    not to mention the QR code login is actually scary insecure. I think its basically equivalent to a login token?

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    You cannot search a discord without being a part of their ecosystem. Thats a walled garden and does not belong in open-source communities.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    lemmy isn’t terrible, but you aren’t going to find diehard thinkpad enjoyers flashing them with coreboot here, and you certainly are likely to find much if any documentation on it here either. Maybe reddit. Forums though? Daily occurrence.

    Those “forum” channels are locked behind community servers, for some reason. And also still not a replacement for forums. Still not publicly accessible. Threads also suck btw. Matrix likely wouldnt copy them, because forums exist.

    mvirts , in Me after I got fired

    Lol I don’t think the preprocessor would be too happy with a space after #

    nabladabla ,

    C preprocessor wouldn’t care about it

    mvirts ,

    Lol that’s news to me!!

    Psythik , in It's not DNS

    I feel like there’s some context here I’m missing…

    UndercoverUlrikHD ,

    It’s a haiku about network issues

    rikudou ,

    Networking issues are very often caused by DNS, even in cases which don’t initially look DNS related at all.

    victorz , in It's not DNS

    Nice painting!

    Zuberi , in It's not DNS
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    No words describe such 🤌

    purplemonkeymad , in It's not DNS

    For real, I’ve had problems where I specifically checked if it was DNS, concluded it was not, but it still turned out to be DNS.

    rimjob_rainer , in FLOSS communities right now

    Discord separates and controls possibly useful information from the public internet. It’s one of the worst platforms to use.

    zarkanian ,
    @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Are you against IRC for the same reason?

    kilgore_trout ,

    IRC allows archiving

    zarkanian ,
    @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

    How so?

    T156 ,

    You can easily log and archive things that happen on an open protocol, not so much a proprietary one like discord.

    xenoclast ,

    Is it possible to have a server/channel bot publicly export channel activity?

    kilgore_trout ,

    meta.wikimedia.org/…/Publicly_logged_channelswww.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent

    Wikimedia and W3C log their chats with bots developed by themselves. I admit though that I am not expert in this topic, but I know that LiberaChat’s policies forbid logging.

    zarkanian ,
    @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You can’t search an IRC channel for previous conversations, though? Isn’t that what we were talking about?

    oshu ,
    @oshu@lemmy.world avatar

    Nobody considers IRC to be a substitute for documentation.

    AMDIsOurLord ,

    IRC archivers just idle on a server and record anything that comes by. You can do that with Discord. Matter of fact, I keep regular archive backups of a server we have that’s full of news

    drndramrndra ,

    You never saw an IRC chatroom archive?

    rimjob_rainer ,

    IRC isn’t controlled by a single (shady) company

    EngineerGaming ,
    @EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

    Servers can be hosted by anyone; there is usually no account needed to join the chat; it would not randomly demand a phone number or an ID; it does not get pissed over people not using a very specific piece of bloated spyware… So nope, not against.

    optimal ,
    @optimal@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    also, IRC logs are usually public and searchable. that’s actually how we got hunter2

    michel , in Happened to me multiple times

    @TxzK
    Happens to me for paperless and keepassXC

    ReadingCat , in What's stopping you from coding like this ?

    2 mirrors

    Solemarc , in Should I cancel?

    I think I understand this;

    cancel -> submit the POST request and cancel -> undo this thing. maybe they shoulda just used submit & cancel or cancel & exit instead.

    breadsmasher ,
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    Should be Cancel or Cancel Cancel

    /s

    kleiner_zeh ,

    submit cancel or cancel submit

    intensely_human ,

    Perfect

    kate ,

    or submit/close

    intensely_human ,

    “Proceed”, “Go Back”

    victorz ,

    “Lessgooo”, “I have regrets”

    odium ,

    “YOLO”, “Whoa”

    Ascend910 , in FLOSS communities right now

    Laughs in matrix and element

    letsgo , in What's stopping you from coding like this ?

    I think it’s the fact that I can’t see the errors on my vagina.

    isVeryLoud ,

    Sounds like a skill issue to me

    optissima ,
    @optissima@lemmy.world avatar

    Someone chose the wrong bottom surgery smh

    YeetPics , in FLOSS communities right now
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    Is this loss?

    bleistift2 , (edited ) in Should I cancel?

    To anyone who is interested in a better design: Buttons should be labeled with verb+object combinations, for instance “Cancel subscription”. Also it’s better to use less generic words that apply to the task at hand, for instance “Terminate subscription”. Here, ‘cancel’ is the right word, so this hint doesn’t apply as well here.

    intensely_human ,

    I think termínate is a better term. I don’t think it would be used because some UX person would worry about associations with robot assassins and people being fired, but terminating the subscription is the best technical term.

    Canceling is preventing some future thing from happening. At best, you are cancelling a scheduled auto-renewal. But to end an ongoing thing is to terminate.

    madkarlsson ,

    You are talking about synonyms here, and its highly subjective. The above poster has some good points with the more clear verbs but this whole end of the flow would work just as well as well with a “yes, I’m sure” and “no” instead of cancel

    onlinepersona OP , in FLOSS communities right now

    I get the impression that opensource communities are missing out on contributors by even including discord in the mix 🧐

    jeremyparker , (edited )

    I’m not sure I understand the problem. Is the problem that they’re not using matrix? Or do you prefer that it was still all on IRC? I don’t hate IRC but it’s definitely way less user friendly.

    onlinepersona OP ,

    Another commenter mentioned that they have matrix, discord, IRC, and discourse, however everything but discord is dead. So, due to the network effect of just including discord, it reduces participation on other channels.
    Communities that are “discord only” however exclude people like those in this comment section.

    I refuse to use discord for all the reasons people mentioned. Personally, matrix + lemmy/kbin/mbin = best. Other opensource direct communication solutions are acceptable too, like Zulip or RocketChat, but only if bridged with matrix. Then I just need one account. For async, discourse is alright, but not my favorite.

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