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In the US you don’t get your full driver’s license until 18. 16 is permit and requires an over 21 license driver with you, and 17 is a provisional license so it has restrictions on how late you can drive and how many people can be in the car.
I think that may be a state restriction. For sure you can get a permit at 15, and 16 should be provisional, but iirc the only restriction is that those under 18 cant drive after 11pm, atleast in FL.
Pretty sure the US allows individual states to set the ages. In Canada, it’s provinces that set it. Lowest age I’ve ever heard of was 12 (for limited permits to move farm machinery along back roads in Saskatchewan, although that was decades ago and it might not still be a thing). I had a full and unrestricted license at 16, but the rules have changed since then.
Yeah but I think what he’s saying is that you can have a license, but there are still restrictions for a certain amount of time. In California when I got my license on my 16th birthday, I think it was 6 months that I couldn’t have anyone in the car under 18 without someone over 25, and I couldn’t drive past 10 or 11 pm (unless I was coming from work or some kind of emergency). It’s been a minute (almost 20 years lol) and I remember changes to the rules not long after my restrictions were lifted (I think they extended them to a year), but yeah, it’s not like they handed you a license and you were a free agent.
In most of the USA, you could get a permit at 15 1/2 years old, and this came with the restriction of needing someone over 18 with you.
Then at 16, if you passed the test, you were given a license and could drive all you want. No restrictions, no limits, have your friends in the car, no one really cared. Then people started to realize that giving 16 years olds free rein to drive causes a lot of accidents. Over the past ~15 years more states have adopted the graduated driver’s license and it has caused a notable drop in fatalities.
Admittedly it’s been a long time since this was relevant to me, so this may have changed, but where and when I grew up in the US you could get a learner’s permit (unlimited driving with another qualified driver in the car) at 15 yrs and 9 mos, then a full license (able to drive by yourself and transport anyone over 18) at, I think, 16 and 6 mos. At 18 the restrictions on whom you could transport disappeared, but I’ve never heard of anyone paying attention to or enforcing those rules anyway.
There may also have been a restriction about driving after midnight, but I don’t recall for sure.
Almost everywhere… there are very few places where you can drive before you’re 18. There are like junuor permits and you can get them when you’re 16, but your parrents are the ones responsible for your driving. Something happens, they get ringed. So, yeah, they can also not give you the license if you cause too much trouble.
Yeah, I assumed most of the world was at least 18. I was surprised when I moved to the US at 15 and could get a learner’s permit and drive with an adult, and drive by myself at 16.
Yeah, I totally understand how it’s necessary across many parts of the US. There’s so much I couldn’t have done in high school, like having a job, if I couldn’t drive. I didn’t live in a rural area, but between the sprawl and lack of public transportation…
Averages are fun. It’s likely Opsy roles do have the highest average. But it’s also very true that devs have the highest ceilings. There’s just very few devs making 600+ and the majority at 120-150. Then there is an absolute shit load of opsys making 160-200. So in ops you hit the ceiling super fast while the occasional dev just keeps rocketing to bullshit pay but the averages are what they are
(Hiring manager for devops. I get the raw data through a corporate data broker)
Having been a sysadmin you would be surprised at both the amount of times I had to explain why we couldn’t just put an unprotected endpoint outside the firewall and also how much alcohol I drank to cope with the former.
It is like being builder to architects that think you can have a second story just floating in midair. I am baffled by how ignorant of the basics of infrastructure many developers are.
Obviously I don’t expect a website dev to know the details of like iptables configs for load balancing with failover or whatever. Or even be terribly familiar with how to set up a production web server. I do expect people to know stuff like every computer on the internet is under constant attack from scripts. Or that taking advantage of peoples’ trust and leaking their data is bad actually.
I had this coworker who was a sysadmin. My degree is in computer science. His was not even in tech. His code is bad. I taught him to code better. He thinks I taught him object oriented programming, but I didn’t, I taught him functional programming. I taught him to use functions instead of repeating his code a hundred times. He still doesn’t know what object oriented code is, but he thinks he’s doing it.
So naturally, the boss promoted him to my manager and had him review my code, while code he wrote at 1am on 5 espressos in his free time with zero oversight becomes part of the business’s core platform.
The moral of the story is do free work for your company in your free time, and the boss will let you run the business into the ground.
As a sysadmin, I concur. Though the Neo panel in the bottom right should have also been another middle finger. If not that, then the Curb Your Enthusiasm meme where he’s like “Fuck you, and I’ll see you tomorrow” lol.
Thankfully there’s been a recent trend of companies pulling back out of the cloud because reality set in and they’re neither saving money nor getting a better experience than they had with their on-prem solutions.
So, if that trend holds, we’ll hopefully go from endangered to merely threatened.
Agreed. I usually say developer because I view engineers as people who do actual engineering. I’m more of a plumber who fits pipes (pieces of software) together.
Iirc it’s full blown illegal to call yourself an engineer in Canada unless you’re a licensed engineer. Meaning that if you marketed yourself as a software engineer without an engineering license, you could technically get in trouble. Not that I think they really enforce that for “Software Engineer”.
I have two weeks left as a sysadmin and I’m transitioning to development. My experiences in sysadmin are a big reason I got in the door with little coding experience. A lot of devs don’t have an in depth knowledge about computers outside of programming, and knowing that extra stuff can certainly raise the ceiling.
I am not a programmer, but on 2 occasions I was able to improperly fix (1 argument in 1 line stuff) very small bugs without really understanding how. I've also made a number converter (dec-bin-hex) at least twice. I know those aren't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice twice.
I'd say there's an issue here with language design having major tradeoffs, but maybe it's just a paradox*? Though I have found a language I like (even though I'm not learning it because other issues), so I know it's not impossible at least.
*= Like the people who could make something with less tradeoffs don't have the need/desire to do that, they just use the existing stuff. Though that is much more fitting for visual programming.
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