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turbowafflz ,

Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it. It’s a win-win since I already wouldn’t want a ford

Edit: what it uses cameras to look at other vehicles??? That is much worse

pete_the_cat ,

Yep, it snitches on other cars!

deweydecibel ,

Let’s be real, close to a majority of Americans have no issue with their iPhone being used as part of a mesh tracking network, even if it helps abusers with airtags.

All they have to do is sell this to people as benefiting them, and they will gobble it up. Hell, chances are, insurance companies will start offering reduced rates if you drive one (and then they buy the data from Ford and increase rates with it).

BruceTwarzen ,

Instead of paying 2000 dollars a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger you pay 1500 a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger, but the car will… SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHERE DO I SIGN?

2xsaiko ,
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The massive difference between AirTags and this is that AirTags (and the whole Find My network, it’s not only AirTags after all) actually provide a useful service to each participant, namely locating their things if they get lost somewhere. This does effectively nothing for you and will only ever fuck over other people (you could argue rightfully so, but still) and provides no value to anyone other than the police.

Mirshe ,

One wonders whether instance companies will incentivize these vehicles with lower rates.

nilloc ,

For whatever the insurance companies deem a low rate driver, sure. But you can be sure that many drivers will be paying more once their insurance company sees how much time they stare at a TikTok videos what “driving”.

Actually. I do wish that phones would fucking tattle on people who can’t be bothered to watch where they’re going while operating 2 ton Hausfraupanzers.

fmstrat ,

Welcome to UPS trucks.

SuiXi3D ,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

And Amazon, and FedEx, and UPS, and DHL...

fmstrat ,

I a totally meant FedEx. But I thought they were the only ones with police contracts?

SuiXi3D ,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

They all have telematics in their trucks, and I know they all use the data in the case of accidents to prove fault. Amazon specifically monitors speed and will fire drivers if they do it too much. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they started sharing that info.

fmstrat ,

Oh yea, on the same page, it’s just that FedEx specifically have been proven to hold contracts with law enforcement, while the others have not.

Chozo ,

Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won't do it.

Patents don't necessarily stop other OEMs from using it. It just means they'll have to pay Ford a fee to license it, themselves.

eestileib ,

Ooh that’s gonna get your car keyed.

TransplantedSconie ,

You have a strange way of writing molotov cocktailled.

BruceTwarzen ,

I was gonna say, they are getting keyed with bullets

jaybone ,

The key that opens anything.

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Sooo how long before we find a way to jailbreak the thing and essentially have an on-board “give that car a ticket” button to report false speed data on any driver we happen to be pissed off at?

…yeah I’d 100% abuse the fuck out of that.

deweydecibel ,

Not just a law enforcement thing, either.

Ford will absolutely, 100%, start selling this data to insurance companies, who will absolutely use it to increase rates.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

us insurance sounds insane, you are forced do deal with corporations in a scammy as fuck way

explodicle ,

How does it work elsewhere? We require doctors get malpractice insurance, and there’s growing support for making the police get liability insurance too.

boonhet ,

I live in Estonia.

For one, car insurance depends on your basic demographics (car registration location, owner’s years of driving/insuring experience), the car’s power rating and make/model - and finally, accident history. For any type of insurance that covers your own vehicle as well, it also takes into account the age and value of the vehicle (for the mandatory liability insurance, that’s irrelevant).

For medical insurance, your prior medical history doesn’t matter, there are no premiums. Your options are (simplified, there are some others too):

  1. Work and have social tax paid for you by the employer (they don’t get to weasel out of this with a regular work contract)
  2. Be an entrepreneur and pay yourself at least the minimum monthly salary with social tax, the rest you can take out as dividends or invest into growing the company
  3. Be a student, including university
  4. Be underage (this also gives you dental! I do wish everyone got dental)
  5. Be registered as unemployed and at least act like you’re trying to find a job
  6. Have some sort of permanent disability that’s severely impacting your ability to work
  7. Have a child under 3 years old
  8. If nothing else applies to you, you can pay a certain sum which was either monthly or quarterly, to have the same health insurance (this is mostly for those entrepreneurs who don’t want to pay themselves even a minimum salary because they’re already loaded and would rather avoid paying payroll taxes on themselves and only pay income tax if/when taking out dividends). I suppose you could also do it if your income is entirely illegal and therefore untaxed.

If you hit any of these, you pay €5 per doctor’s appointment, with some exceptions. Private care is more expensive. If you don’t in any way qualify for the national medical insurance, you’ll have to pay for your procedures and stuff, but the prices are reasonable usually.

As for liability insurance for medical malpractice and the police - I’m not 100% sure, but I do believe that victims get compensated by either the hospital, or the government in the case of the police. In any case, it’s very rare for anything like this to happen luckily.

I do believe life insurance that pays out if you die prematurely or get a major injury or disease, will still depend on your medical history - or at least whether you smoke and drink alcohol.

Empricorn ,

You do realize insurance companies were recently proven to be purchasing data secretly created from our own vehicles so they could raise rates, right? Not sure it “works” here in the US…

explodicle ,

How does it work elsewhere?

Empricorn ,

Oh, it only sounds that way because our US insurance system is fucking insane and forces us to deal with them in a scammy way!

sndmn ,

Are they trying to sell fewer vehicles?

friend_of_satan ,

“But if we market it as a subscription service, then surely customers will want it” - Some clueless executive

adarza ,

it’ll be something the cops subscribe to, and car owners will have no say.

mars296 ,

What they should do is give the car owners a cut if the ticket fees. They would have people patrolling the streets to catch speeders. There also be a big uptick in vandalism of Fords. I would love to watch this experiment with some popcorn.

friend_of_satan ,

Dude! Yes! We definitely need more companies treating 1984 like an instruction manual. /s

joyjoy ,

Pay to lose

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs, but they’d prefer to give the cops a handout.

ILikeBoobies ,

Maybe a natural consequence but better than that would be low profile vehicles

enbyecho , (edited )

Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs,

Thus making the EVs very expensive… just sayin’

Edit: I don’t know why you are downvoting. These are economic realities as they exist today. More R&D => greater costs => higher price. Fully Automated Luxury Communism is, unfortunately, not a likely reality in our lifetimes.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Then how do any low-cost vehicles ever get developed?

enbyecho ,

By minimizing costs, including R&D. Further, the lower the price the lower the profit and usually the lower the margin. Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.

This is pretty basic stuff…

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.

If only it were physically possible to change that. Alas, the fifth law of thermodynamics says profit above all.

enbyecho ,

If only it were physically possible to change that. Alas, the fifth law of thermodynamics says profit above all.

It is possible to change it, of course, but every attempt thus far has ended in authoritarian political systems with even less opportunity for you to be housed, fed and well cared for, much less able to get things like affordable EVs.

I’m pretty convinced, sadly, that this is mainly because humans basically suck.

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

While I wish people would stop fucking speeding (you really aren’t getting there that much faster) and tailgaiting like fucking Talladega nights, I still think this is bullshit and fuck Ford for doing this.

werefreeatlast ,

The need:

Don’t drive over people, kids, pets or other items such as personal property or buildings.

The current status:

People don’t do those things because mostly they are good enough not to run you over. Bad people on the other hand have no internal limits to prevent tragedy.

The fix:

You can’t go faster than the speed limit. Bad people can still drive you over or hit your car or house.

You see how this works? The problem wasn’t even addressed. But additionally there’s the problem of “I’m at point A and would like to get to point B but not faster than the speed limit so the cop doesn’t shoot me 19 times in the back of the head.”

The fix: you can’t go faster than the speed limit. This allows you to get to point B. However the cop can still shoot you 19 times in the back of the head even when you didn’t do anything wrong.

HawlSera ,

Are they trying to make cars undesirable?

CPMSP ,

Just theirs.

But you know, not a bad thought.

Atomic ,

It’s an absolute win win.

  1. If they patent it, no one else can use the same system in the same way. So it’s contained to Ford.
  2. If they don’t end up using it. It’s simply a safeguard that no one else can either.
  3. If they do end up using it, people will shy away from Ford, making the roads safer for everyone.

As I said. Win win. This is fantastic news.

unrelatedkeg ,
  1. When the patent expires every manufacturer will be using it if they’re forced to by legislation
linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

What if legislation says the feature needs to be added. And then everyone’s forced to buy a license from Ford to make it happen?

Atomic ,

No one would be forced to buy a license from Ford. IF they decide it has to be on every car, and it’s that specific system, they would have to buy it out from Ford.

But legislation like that doesn’t happen over night. It’s planned several years in advance so everyone has time to implement it.

But if that’s what you’re worries about. I suggest you vote for whomever is opposed to it. And if no one is opposed. I suggest you protest.

Sam_Bass ,

Heh. Guess theyre tired of making money

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Right? Why the hell would I buy a vehicle that’s going to report me to the police?

superkret ,

Because it will not report you. It will report others it sees on the road - except Fords.

threeganzi ,

They’re probably waiting for this tech to be required by law and make a lot of cash on the patent.

aidan ,

They already have to implement a system to shut off the car if “drunk driving is detected” by law

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t heard of that. How does it work? It shuts the car off if you swerve a lot?

Do you have a source I could read more about this?

aidan ,

The law doesn’t say how it should work at all. This source seems the least biased I’ve seen on it

thetruthaboutcars.com/…/why-are-people-worried-ab…

HocEnimVeni ,
@HocEnimVeni@lemmy.world avatar

Ah classic boot licking just like ol’ henry ford

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

What do you mean by tha-

Only a single great man, Ford, to their fury still maintains full independence [from the control of Jewish masters]. -(Mein Kampf)

Oh. Well, shit.

Wooki ,

How to spot a car company no longer innovating

pyrflie ,

Patent Trolling.

chemicalprophet ,

Fascist nazi fuck company. Class traitor ICE vehicles seem on point though.

Crikeste ,

That face when you allow your factories in Europe to become war machines, but not the ones in your own home.

Allegiances and all that.

Glytch ,

This is likely for new models of Interceptors so that cops don’t have to hold those heavy radar guns to generate revenue. Instead they can automatically ticket speeders while driving to the donut shop or their next victim’s house.

Etterra ,

Cops hate this one simple trick!

Glytch ,

No, they love it because they have to do less to cause more misery.

InternetUser2012 ,

I’m never buying a newer car.

Pilferjinx ,

The thing with new cars is that they turn into old cars.

pyrflie ,

2016+ is a no buy for me. I don’t look at new cars to begin with and anything 2016 or newer gets the axe as well. They are permanent Tracking.

vaultdweller013 ,

I feel like you atleast have some wiggle room with electric cars, I cant imagine that it would be too hard to just rip out and replace most of the bs parts. Mostly cause you dont have a massive engine block to deal with, just wires.

pyrflie , (edited )

With electric cars the Firmware does a lot more work than you think. You can’t just rip fuses like the old days. For a lot of the newer vehicles changes mean tracking or coding changes vs vehicle doesn’t start.

vaultdweller013 ,

Oh no im talking ripping literally everything out and starting more or less from scratch, battery and body only.

bluewing ,

So you are writing your own firmware and updates too?

vaultdweller013 ,

No but it also shouldnt be complex enough to need it, all the computer needs to do is control the motors and the shifter nothing else. I dont need cruise control, I dont need lane assist, I dont even need powered windows ya know what fuck the doors altogether. Everything else IE lights, air, radio can be controlled through a rather simple tertiary power system.

bluewing ,

So how are you going to monitor and control the temperature of the battery pack so it doesn’t blow up in your face? How do you control charging rates? How do you pre-heat the pack when when it’s cold outside?

And those are the just the first things I can think of in less than 15 seconds.

vaultdweller013 ,

I live in a desert so I dont really need to pre heat shit, seriously I can just not drive it for the two weeks its under fifty. There are prebuilt modules that can control charging rate, they aint fancy but theyre becoming common in my area due to hobbyists. As for temperature id probably just slap a couple electric thermometers to it and call it a day. Worst case for the temp I rip up the back seat and jam an abomination of a heat sink into it.

Frankly speaking id probably just start copying old 1980s and 1970s electric car design.

Anyways I have clearly not thought it through massively, just got the basics down. And most of my opinions come from the place of loathing new cars, they all suck. I drive a 91 cherokee, I know how to work on mechanical shit not electric. But I have messed with enough old electronics to know there is always a workaround, even if it is ass backwards and is a massive fire hazard.

bluewing ,

even if it is ass backwards and is a massive fire hazard.

I look forward to reading your obituary some day…

vaultdweller013 ,

You seem to assume I dont take cautious. I take plenty, ive got a couple work tables with burns and melted metal that say so. As well as a welding mask with a melted lense. I aint got no scares from it yet.

InternetUser2012 ,

True, I’ll never a own a car with technology that can send my data to anyone else.

fukurthumz420 ,

enshittification might just be how capitalism destroys itself.

BigDaddySlim ,
@BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world avatar

You won’t buy a Ford because it’ll rat you out to the cops

I won’t buy a Ford because they’re dog shit vehicles

We are not the same

systemglitch ,

With how rarely Toyota’s break down, I hesitate to consider any other car company. Ford is near bottom of the barrel.

captainlezbian ,

Hondas are fine

BigDaddySlim ,
@BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world avatar

Funny enough my girlfriend and I just got Toyota’s, so we should have reliable vehicles for the next 30 years

systemglitch ,

Lol, fuck yeah!

DeanFogg ,

Still make sure to do basic maintenance on them

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

My Toyota is old enough to vote, and the only issue it has ever given me was a seized brake caliper. I’m convinced that it’s going to outlive the heat death of the universe.

mjhelto ,

Yup! Wanna change your battery?

“FUCK YOU, GO TO AND PAY A DEALER CAUSE WE BURIED THAT SHIT INSIDE THE FUCKING ENGINE COMPARTMENT!” -Ford

I can’t believe no one has sued them for this anti-consumer bullshit. I don’t know anything about cars, but even I have been able to change the battery in every vehicle I have ever owned.

TrickDacy ,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

I rented a Ford focus once and it really was a dog shit vehicle. Every other vehicle could easily interface with my iPod but this piece of shit would need to scan the iPod for 5-10 minutes (making the head unit completely unusable in the meantime) at which point it would start playing some random song from the iPod that it bizarrely determined was first. That was the most obvious shitty design flaw, but literally every thing about the car was piss poor. If I hadn’t been against Ford already because they knowingly killed people with those defective Firestones, I would’ve completely turned against them from that one rental experience. Fuck Ford.

hperrin ,

The all new Ford Narc 2024, with optional stitches.

RagingRobot ,

Maybe they are patenting this just so that no one else can make it! Because they are generous kind hearted people, right? Right?.. Omg :(

bane_killgrind ,

Nope it just takes one jurisdiction to mandate a reporting system is used and then they have a captive market.

Zaktor ,

If they program in an exception to not report other Fords it could become a competitive advantage.

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