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aPirate ,

And that’s why I love old cars.

TheEighthDoctor ,

They could make a system that doesn’t allow the vehicle to speed but I guess allowing it and then snitching is better

Zaktor ,

You should probably read articles before commenting. The cars aren’t reporting themselves.

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Great, investors have a target to short sell in the car industry based on Fords bad product development

This idea seems like what someone would come up with if they’re devoid from the reality of driving and have only been chauffeured around lol

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, nobody would willingly buy this. I certainly wouldn’t. Never mind the obvious perpetual privacy violation baked right in to a hairbrained scheme like this, but could you ever fully trust it to work correctly and not ever randomly (or not-so-randomly) send people up for prosecution under false pretenses? I guarantee you the speed tattle system will be a black box, some dipshit legislator would pass a law making fucking with it or reverse engineering it a crime “because safety,” and then any time the state wants to harass anyone they can just ping somebody’s Ford to spit out a false speeding ticket (maybe even one that’s egregious enough to count as a felony like 130 in a 25, or whatever). And how are you going to be equipped to argue against it? It’s going to be your word against the computer and Ford’s army of lawyers and experts plus the police, in a system that’s already heavily stacked against the defendant.

This will probably only see any actual use being built into police cars and maybe commercial fleets, but not civilian vehicles.

MediaSensationalism ,
@MediaSensationalism@lemmy.world avatar

If I have to buy a “new” car someday, I’m cutting off every antenna I see.

androogee ,

Unable to contact servers; boot loop, car won’t start; manufacturer sues you for breaking licensing agreement with unapproved modifications

morphballganon ,

Classic cars for me then

swag_money ,

my classic car is a 2005😎

unrelatedkeg ,

That’s why we need right to repair

androogee ,

And a corporate death penalty, if I had my druthers.

unrelatedkeg ,

I’m against the death penalty, so corporate disbandanment

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately just like your cell phone we don’t really need external antennas anymore. In a lot of cases there’s not even a wire inside you can easily cut, just traces deep on the board

RaoulDook ,

What I’ve been reading about on that subject is that cars often have a Telematics Control Unit or TCU that can actually be disabled if you can find it. It’s a box that plugs in to the wiring harness. They also have antennas that could be connected by a wire that you could locate, giving us another option to disable them by just disconnecting the antenna wire. That way the TCU could still talk to the main computers but not be able to send out its data.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

If it doesn’t have a wire you could always put in a little faraday cage.

frigidaphelion ,

This is a weird one. I speed, and so does everyone else, but nobody has the right to speed, and I cant say it necessarily would be bad to have more speeding restrictions. Im sure it would be just as abused as any other part of the law and justice system but I dont find it inherently unappealing.

Emerald ,

I speed, and so does everyone else

Why?

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Old, terrible road speed design methods resulting in shit like my drive to work: a long, straight road that’s wider than the nearby highway yet has a speed limit 15mph slower because…?

deltapi ,

Usually the answer is “uncontrolled access” I.e. it has driveways and such, and not on and off ramps

Whattrees ,
@Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Our roads are designed to make us think we can go faster than we should and localities have an incentive to keep speed limits arbitrarily low to increase fines from speeders.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Our roads are designed to make us think we can go faster than we should

localities have an incentive to keep speed limits arbitrarily low

Which is it? If speed limits are arbitrarily low then you can go faster. The fact that most people speed and the roads aren’t consistently littered with accidents seems to support that.

Whattrees ,
@Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s both because there is more than one kind of road.

America really likes stroads which give the impression that you can safely travel at speeds that are actually dangerous. We do that often in neighborhoods where we should be going 20-25 max but the design of the roads encourages us to drive faster. Since the speed limit is often actually at a safe speed, the issue of speeding is about the design of the road and not the speed limit.

Larger roads like highways, freeways, and expressways are designed for high-speed travel but often have speed limits that are low for the sake of revenue generation. If you’ve ever driven through a small town where the highway design doesn’t change but the speed suddenly drops from 65 to 35 you know what I mean. In those cases the problem is with the arbitrarily low speed limit as some states have raised the cap up to 80 and have not seen a substantial increase in accident-related injuries and deaths.

Connector roads often suffer from one or the other problem listed above. They are either designed to make you feel like you can go 60 when you should be going 40 or are set at 30 when you could safely go 40. The road design needs to match the safe speed by making drivers feel unsafe when they exceed that speed and not unnecessarily penalize them by not putting the limit lower than that speed.

Both of those result in speeding but have different causes.

Animated_beans ,

It’s both. They make it so you want to speed so they can generate revenue. Wide lanes and low speed limits can yield a lot of tickets

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

I was driving on a road like that in Scranton with a 45 mph speed limit, doing 50. For about a quarter mile, without any change in the road, it drops to 35 mph. Right in front of a police station. So the cops don’t even have to leave their station to start ticketing people.

spoopy ,
@spoopy@lemmy.world avatar

fwiw, the roads are constantly littered with accidents and the US has the highest pedestrian fatality rate out of all “western” nations

BigPotato ,

Well, both.

If the road were clear around me, I could easily hold 100+ off the highway. I’ve got huge streets near me with long curves. No problem for my relatively new tires and well-maintained vehicle.

Once we add cars to the mix, I can no longer go that fast. Too many other cars, if I just weave around them, I can go fast again. Who wants all this power sitting behind a Sentra?

Yay! I’m free! Fast fast fast until more cars again. A little bob and weave… Crash.

This road is literally as wide as the highway but the speed limit is 45mph.

The road always has traffic, always construction, always debris from poorly maintained cars or accidents which means you can’t go fast but the road itself was designed for the Daytona 500. The ‘speed limit’ is set for a pace that makes 18 wheelers look fast.

So, the obvious answer said by every Suburban with scrapes on the side and Altima with paper tags is “My car isn’t going to fail or crash and in ideal conditions should have no problem redlining all the way down this thing so I should try that in five o’clock traffic.”

p5yk0t1km1r4ge , (edited )
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Speeders are assholes that put everyone in danger.

Get fucked if you speed. I lost several family members because of pricks like you and I even wound up hospitalized from it. Eat shit and piss off. Asswipes like you fucks don’t need a drivers license since you don’t know how to drive.

tunetardis ,

Interesting. The article suggests the car would photograph others speeding rather than reporting itself.

Personally, I don’t mind speeders so much except when they’re weaving between traffic recklessly. I do really hate tailgaters though. So a rear-facing camera maybe?

PythagreousTitties ,

How about neither

BruceTwarzen ,

I hate speeders, i almost got shot off the road yesterday by a guy going at least 120kmh in an 80kmh zone. But trusting someone like let’s say ford to take care of that… Oh nonono

PythagreousTitties ,

I hear you. But I can’t agree to what’s basically spying on everyone just for that. You know it would escalate into more mundane things once it’s there.

Exactly

JoshuaFalken ,

Maybe if we didn’t make city streets as wide as highways, people wouldn’t drive so fast. I feel like it’s obvious that people will drive faster between painted lines than if those lines were walls. Even lining a street with trees lowers speeds. An indirect side effect would be a drop in ticket revenue, but surely the police department would prefer safety over money.

TheRealKuni ,

surely the police department would prefer safety over money.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/89cbcf9a-32a1-4dda-878a-68fab6e29935.gif

Maggoty ,

Having been in places with narrow streets and walls right there… Nope. Doesn’t stop them.

intensely_human ,

I’m starting my attack run

Texas_Hangover ,

Yet another reason I will never own a ford vehicle.

Blackmist ,

Other than the fact that they only make expensive monster trucks now.

DeanFogg ,

Want to do any work on your f150?

Step 1: Remove the entire cab

pyrflie ,

This stopped being true in 2012. They are shit now for entirely different reasons (cost, parts, recall maint, shop incompetence).

That said it never changed for Rangers.

Rayspekt ,

Patent it so nobody is allowed to use it?

billwashere ,

This was my thought as well. Just because they patent it, doesn’t mean they’ll use it. And it could keep other manufacturers from implementing similar systems.

From a product standpoint, I just don’t understand the reasoning here. Nobody wants this. It’s not a selling point. There is no way to make money off of this without the government getting involved. Just why?

Rayspekt ,

Yeah exactly. Who is going to buy the car that tips off the cops?

pythonoob ,

Tbh, if all the ticketing was done automatically, then there would be less of a reason for cops, especially traffic cops. This decreasing their numbers. This could be a silver lining.

fukurthumz420 ,

or, hear me out… we could just have cars that don’t snitch on us and cops that work under strict scrutiny (or no cops at all if we took care of ourselves as a society)

pyrflie ,

15 years max for patents like this. Filling is intent to use and/or charge/profit.

Rayspekt ,

I know, but 15 years is a long-ass time.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

If my car is going to be a snitch, I want a share of that fat ticket money. ;)

Pay me or GTFO.

hayes_ ,

Infinite money glitch?

TheRealKuni ,

What’s especially hilarious is that my Ford Escape reads speed limit signs and then adjusts the cruise control to the new limit +5mph. They let you adjust that setting up to +/- 10mph, iirc.

ObsidianZed ,

Well yeah, they have to allow you wiggle room to knowingly break the law. How else are they going to maintain the partnership with law enforcement?

Gestrid ,

I’m curious if this would actually hold up in court as evidence that a person was speeding.

setsneedtofeed ,
@setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

On its own to convict? Probably no. If the technology is hypothetically successful introduced and it pings to police, all they’d need to do is follow a route to the self-snitching vehicle and hit it with some of their own radar or lidar, then pull over the driver.

Gestrid ,

The vehicle doesn’t self-snitch. It snitches on other vehicles around it. It apparently uses cameras to do it. It’d only be able to tell cops where the vehicle was when the picture was taken, not where it is.

setsneedtofeed ,
@setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

That’s even less functional, and is to my thinking not even close to enough on its own to hand out tickets, as some people think this will be used for.

Gestrid ,

This was several years ago, so the law in my state may have changed, but I do remember reading that dashcam footage submitted by a civilian can’t be used by police to issue a ticket after the fact. It can be used as evidence for or against someone if the police do get involved, though.

To put it another way, the officer has to witness the traffic offense themselves in order to issue a ticket. But dashcam footage could be used as evidence to prove someone either was or was not speeding after the ticket was already issued.

NikkiDimes ,

The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that “in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right … to be confronted with the witnesses against him.”

You have the constitution to thank! Same reason red light cameras were deemed unconstitutional in most places.

Kryptenx ,

You can tell most of the comment section never reads past the headline

Gestrid ,

I admittedly only knew it wasn’t self-snitching because I read another comment from someone that had actually read the article.

I did check to confirm before I actually commented myself, though.

bradorsomething ,

Noted: driving 3 mph under the speed limit in front of all fords from now on.

Voroxpete ,

Go for 10mph under. Gotta really be safe.

fubarx ,

GM will be patenting LED windshields showing the middle-finger and blurring the license plate every time a Ford passes by.

lazynooblet ,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

Edit: I’m wrong, now I diverted rtfa. it’s a camera system to detect other cars. My bad.

I don’t understand your comment. GM own ford, right? And the data they are trying to share comes from the car itself, not other cars around it.

ThatKomputerKat ,
@ThatKomputerKat@lemmy.world avatar

No, GM owns Chevrolet, GMC, and Cadillac.

DeanFogg ,

Ford is Lincoln, mercury and Mazda

Ensign_Crab ,

Not gonna lie, I’ve encountered enough F150 drivers to make this option tempting.

Snapz ,

And then selling a subscription to turn it off

Mihies , (edited )

Ha, you would think so, but from article it seems it’d snitch only on other vehicles. Now, a subscription for reporting a certain ‘enemy’ vehicle could be way to go. Edit: sneetch

lauha ,

“Sir, your Ford sent half an hour long video of this truck going 85 mph on 65 mph road. I would think you understand why you also got a ticket?”

Snapz ,

Surely you understand that companies start with the seemingly innocuous execution that establishes the base infrastructure to gain adoption and then, when adoption moves beyond a certain percentage, they flip the switch to the thing they actually wanted. Also, go read about “enshitification”.

Uber was more available and cheaper than taxis > uber kills taxis > now uber is more expensive and invasive than taxis were.

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