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jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

As with all the discussions on national polls, it’s necessary to point out that national polls have no meaning. We don’t have national elections.

Blue states are gonna blue state and red states are gonna red state, so the President will be decided by a handfull of states that don’t reliably vote one way or another, and frankly, we just don’t have enough good data on a Harris nomination to say one way or another.

Looking at the notable states I’ve looked at before, this data is from before Biden dropped out.

Arizona - Trump +6 vs Harris
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/arizona/

Nevada - Trump +10 vs Harris
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/nevada/

New Mexico - No data for Harris.

Georgia - Trump +5 vs Harris
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/georgia/

North Carolina - Trump +4 vs Harris
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/…/north-carolina/

Pennsylvania - Trump +4 vs Harris
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/…/pennsylvania/

Michigan - Trump +5 vs Harris
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/michigan/

Wisconsin - Tied.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/wisconsin/

Minnesota - No data for Harris.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/minnesota/

Harris also puts Virginia in play now as well, in what was assumed to be a blue state, now Trump +4.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/virginia/

So this is her starting point. She has 105 days to turn this around. The Democratic convention in August is key.

As of right now though? Here’s the map:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0725cda4-54a7-417d-a815-c5fd24c109a2.jpeg

Natanael ,

Those polls don’t account for anything that happened after the switch, like the impact of the record number of donations and news blitz. Need to wait for the next round before we really have any idea, and a few more in a few weeks to see where it levels off

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Yup, like I say, this is the bottom.

barsquid ,

That’s good news but still too close. We all need to continue informing the public that Donald is a dementia-ridden geriatric physically and mentally unfit for the office.

Ensign_Crab ,

Her polls before Biden did the right thing were lower. She has upward momentum. Biden had downward momentum.

razorwiregoatlick ,
@razorwiregoatlick@lemmy.world avatar

I know the top comments in these subs is always something along the lines of “fuck the polls! Go vote!” I agree but damn it is nice to get some positive news now and then!

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Right? Enjoy something positive for a few seconds!

modifier ,

I agree, and also, go vote!

chiliedogg ,

Definitely don’t look at polls from the swing states then.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

Let it be a runaway snowball of a lead

Nurgle ,

Oh cool a national poll, I’m sure this’ll be super relevant to a race decided on the state level.

catloaf ,

That’s within the margin of error. That’s not leading.

vzq ,

How’s that convention bump coming along, Donnie?

MyOpinion ,

Let’s get this number to double dights!

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Polls mean nothing, the trends on polls aren’t guaranteed if people get complacent and don’t turn out. Voter apathy is the worst thing that can happen to Dems in this election

Ab_intra ,
@Ab_intra@lemmy.world avatar

Well I hope they learned from 2016. I think they did…

homesweethomeMrL ,

1.) POLLS ARE GARBAGE.

2.) Corporate news cannot run a horse race without polls

3.) See #1

solsangraal ,

i’m going to need so much popcorn to watch GOP squirming and flailing desperate to find something to attack LOL

she’s too OLD!!!

hunter’s laptop!!!

buttery males!!!

LOL

eat shit, republicans

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

“She LAUGHS!”

solsangraal ,

“she hates dogs!!!”

LOL j/k. that’s trump. trump hates dogs

samus12345 , (edited )
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Oh yeah, there’s also “She never had kids!”

Gullible ,

There will be quite a few Muslim allegations as well, for reasons. Which is funny, considering she has history with nearly everything besides Islam.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Oh yeah, probably. Has the GOP ever really sorted out their racist talking points about Indians (from India, not Native Americans)?

Gullible ,

Considering the complete lack of backlash against the commentators who disparaged Vivek this year, they’ve definitely got a handle on it.

Ensign_Crab ,

Oh, some of them are certain to be confused and make racist comments about Native Americans too.

cabron_offsets ,

Coconuts!

odium ,

She cares about accessibility

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@programming.dev avatar

“What about white females?”

-Republican Congressman Tim Burchett

Zaktor ,

Congressman Burchett with a belated Hillary Clinton endorsement.

Flatworm7591 , (edited )

From a Politico article, we can see how the Russians are starting to talk about Harris. The Republicans aren’t usually far behind…

“Kamala with the nuclear button is worse than a monkey with a grenade,” Andrei Sidorov, the dean of the global politics department at Moscow State University (a once highly respected institution) said Sunday evening on state television’s prime weekly talk show.

Edit: and then there’s this: Unhinged Republican candidate calls Kamala Harris a “little wh*re” as GOP descends into misogyny

solsangraal ,

little wh*re

LOL

so she’s…melania?

Socsa ,

Anything happens:

Russians: NUCLEAR WAR OOGY BOOGY

barsquid ,

That’s racist. Yeah, that’s exactly the sort of rhetoric Repubs like to pick up.

Ensign_Crab ,

It’s been a delight watching them flail uselessly. They knew they might have Harris as an opponent from the instant someone as old as Biden selected her for VP. They’ve had all this time to do oppo research and focus group what is likely to stick.

All their arguments against Biden evaporated into nothingness the instant he bowed out and they are completely unprepared to run against Harris.

They counted on Biden being a stubborn idiot and staying in the race and didn’t have a backup plan.

Proddedcow ,

This is good. Early, sure, but its numbers going in the right direction.

Nougat ,

Harris, whose campaign says she has secured the Democratic nomination, led Trump 44% to 42% in the national poll, a difference within the 3-percentage-point margin of error.

National polls go beyond meaninglessness and into actual harm. The national popular vote does not elect the president, as we all should know too well. My vote in Illinois is worth far less than someone's vote in Wyoming. Your vote in California is worth far less than someone's vote in Alaska.

Unless a national poll weights responses based on state, and based on the electoral college results from states, it is completely misleading.

Moops ,

And my vote in Oklahoma…oh fuck it who are we kidding lol. Meaningless. I still do it though.

Irremarkable ,
@Irremarkable@fedia.io avatar

In a similar situation. Theres a zero percent chance trump doesn't win my state by at least 10 points. Still gonna vote though.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

He’ll see the popular vote count and it will annoy him. He was mad about it even when he won!

idiomaddict ,

Well yeah, that would be a disappointment to anyone, he lost in a popularity contest by 3 million votes to Hillary fucking Clinton. He absolutely deserves to feel bad about it and I hope he remembers every day that he wouldn’t have won if it weren’t for the electoral college.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar
SirDerpy ,

Both of you should be asking how your vote could be made meaningful outside the scope of your current evaluation.

ski11erboi ,

Just saw Oklahoma has one of the lowest voter turn outs in the nation. With Tulsa and Oklahoma city it’s more progressive than most people realize. We’ve just got to get out and vote and convince those around us to do the same. I know we have the numbers to win local elections.

zaph ,

Just saw Oklahoma has one of the lowest voter turn outs in the nation.

Probably because you’re not allowed to vote if someone from your party isn’t running. We have a county sheriff race that was just decided by drawing a name out of a hat. Dems didn’t get a vote.

MerrySkeptic ,

Good for you. It may not mean anything for national elections but it could make a difference in a local one

cabron_offsets ,

Nah, not meaningless. Any swing away from the degenerates will dispirit them.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Lots of downticket races can be swung by a popular presidential nominee.

That said, Oklahoma’s awash in O&G money and its state bureaucrats are notoriously corrupt. At some point, the sheer volume of gerrymandering, vote caging, and criminal disenfranchisement needs to be addressed. Simply shouting at people to “GO VOTE!” when they’re getting handed broken machines and defective butterfly ballots and threatening robocalls isn’t helping anyone, least of all the candidates they’re hoping will win.

Mastengwe ,

Polls are garbage. Vote like they don’t exist.

blaue_Fledermaus ,
@blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io avatar

If I ever get into politics I'm running on abolishing vote intention polls.

lolcatnip ,

How do you do that without violating the first amendment?

blaue_Fledermaus ,
@blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io avatar

By not being USian, or living in the USA?

My country only protects free-speech as long as it's not anonymous.

lolcatnip ,

I usually didn’t assume people’s nationality, but I thought it was pretty safe in a thread about US politics.

blaue_Fledermaus ,
@blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io avatar

No problem 😁

Unfortunately US politics sort of affect the whole world.

lolcatnip ,

Unfortunately.

Samvega ,

Vote like idiot rule the world, and try to make their day worse.

EatATaco ,

Polls were historically accurate in 2022 and generally do a good job of measuring the temperature. Still, vote like they don’t exist.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Exactly. If polls didn’t matter, Biden would still be running for president. With that being said: vote.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Polls are garbage.

The mainstream professional polls have been reliable for some time. They typically get within 2-3pt margin of error when taken a few days before the election, and they serve as a useful bellweather to track public sentiment. In this case, it appears jettisoning Biden is bringing voters back to the Dem fold. That’s what Dems were banking on, and I’d consider it a good thing given how much I don’t want Trump to be President.

Vote like they don’t exist.

People who obsessively follow polling are the ones most likely to vote.

Xanis ,

Stepping aside may honestly be the single greatest show of leadership Biden has done in his lifetime. If the polls are swinging, it’s as much due to him making such a historical and respectable move as it is people surprised and refreshed by Kamala Harris.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Popularity or percentage of electoral college votes?

Only one of the two matter.

Stovetop ,

Popularity I’m afraid.

Other polls that factor in additional considerations essentially have them neck-and-neck right now, maybe a 1 or 2% lead for Trump.

Fucking electoral college…

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

The HoR needs more members, that would solve it without touching the EC.

VanillaBean ,

Yeah this is always the thing people forget… we have this antiquated electoral college thing.

Zipitydew ,

Yeah I want to know specifically about say Ohio, Wisconsin, Arizona, etc. I know Harris will win all along the coasts. But that’s only 175 of 270.

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