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After Supreme Court immunity ruling, Biden draws sharp contrast with Trump on obeying rule of law

President Joe Biden warned Monday that a Supreme Court ruling granting presidents broad immunity from prosecutionwould make an unchecked Republican Donald Trump “more emboldened to do whatever he wants” if he regains the White House in November’s election.

Biden, under intense pressure after his disastrous debate performance against Trump last week, urged Americans to think carefully about their election decision and signaled he had no intention of dropping out of the race.

Criticizing the decision by the court’s conservative majority — which all but guarantees Trump will not face trial in Washington ahead of the November election over his actions during the violent riot on Jan. 6, 2021 — Biden said it now fell to the American people “to do what the courts should have been willing to do but will not.

“The American people have to render judgment about Donald Trump’s behavior.”

ToucheGoodSir ,

Ok… sooooo… has anyone ELSE seen the photo of the most blood thirsty terrorist group in history? Had uh, the Clintons, the Bush Family, the Obamas, etc in a nice snug family portrait. Was missing a certain orange baboon & his ilk however :| they’re clowns not terrorists though

AuroraZzz ,

This is a totally sane person

bolexforsoup ,

This is your brain on breitbart*

RageAgainstTheRich ,

Uhhh… Are you alright? Do we need to call your mom?

rockSlayer ,

what are you talking about?

Orbituary ,
@Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

To quote his own guy, “I don’t know what he said and I don’t think he does either.”

Ensign_Crab ,

Whose debate coach were you?

Icalasari ,

Having a touch of the !aneurysmposting I see

STUPIDVIPGUY ,

Do you even have the ability to think in a straight line? What is this even supposed to mean? You write like someone with dementia

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

President Joe Biden warned Monday that a Supreme Court ruling granting presidents broad immunity from prosecutionwould make an unchecked Republican Donald Trump “more emboldened to do whatever he wants” if he regains the White House in November’s election.

And the justices kind of looked around quizzically and said “Yeah…no shit, that’s the whole idea. Did you just get that?”

MrVilliam ,

He’s spelling it out for voters to get them off their asses. People said “yeah right” in 2016 when the ones who were paying attention said that the scotus was on the ballot, and it turns out we were right. It’s probably good to hear the calm warnings straight from him rather than just from “alarmist” friends, relatives, and coworkers this time.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

It makes him look even more out of touch with the moment though and incompetent.

If he’s still unwilling to back a campaign to court pack and still unwilling to remove the biggest obstacle to a possible Democratic win in November (himself), his words mean very little. It’s just more too little too late by Biden.

seathru ,
@seathru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

“I know I will respect the limits of presidential power as I have for the three-and-a-half years, but any president, including Donald Trump, will now be free to ignore the law,”

“Yes we may be in a steel cage wrestling match. But I’m still going to follow gentlemens rules. Those tables, chairs and ladders are off-limits to me; My moral superiority will win the day.”

Tom Howard voiceover: “It didn’t”

cybervseas ,

Ron Howard

seathru ,
@seathru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Nah, this is his cousin. I’m on a budget here.

bitchkat ,

You could have gotten his brother Clint for cheaper.

Assman ,
@Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

Todd Howard

Ensign_Crab ,

Howard Dean

kylie_kraft ,

Fuck that. Biden should make them regret this decision. If his candidacy is as DOA as everyone is pretending it is, then there’s no incentive to play by the rules. Move fast and break stuff and get some shit done for a change.

Also,

Biden, under intense pressure after his disastrous debate performance against Trump last week

They just had to get it in there. Not a mention of Trump making shit up the whole time, or the raving lunatic shit he’s saying on the campaign trail. 90 minutes of Biden being low energy and it’s all over. “The other guy is too old, maybe we can do a little fascism. That will be OK, right?”

Orbituary ,
@Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

You have high hopes. Remember, you never know how far you can walk until you try to fly.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Biden has the period between election and inauguration to get really weird if he loses.

numbermess ,

It’s crazy that this is the kind of shit we’re counting on now. It used to be the Guardrails and then it was the Wheels of Justice grinding exceedingly fine and now it’s Maybe Something Good Will Happen at the Last Minute

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I’m just saying with this ruling Biden could do something really weird in the transitional period and it probably would take the rest of his life to go to court for it.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

At this point, I’m hoping for an Iranian-style helicopter crash for Trump, Bannon and a few others, Harlan and Thomas get killed in a hurricane wile vacationing abroad, and the other conservative supreme court justices all get get incapacitated by some disease or something.

If the entirety of the heritage foundation could get hit by a fridge-sized meteorite, that would be great.

Audacious ,

Insane that I have yet to see an article about trump lies during the debate. All I saw was Biben be replace bs articles.

FiniteBanjo ,

Breaking News: Bear shits in the woods.

iAmTheTot ,

Almost every article I saw posted following the debate touched on Trump’s falsehoods.

But also, Trump lying is not news. He lied all the way to his 2016 win, and lied decades before that, and still lies now. Absolutely no one new is going to be convinced that he’s bad because he lies. If absolutely anyone is thinking of voting of Trump at this point, him lying is not going to be the deciding factor.

Audacious ,

I think it should be hammered to death because a person in power should not ever be allowed to get away with lying. I know morality isn’t in law, but it should be, IMO. The world is so fucked up in so many ways because no one puts morals in law.

Guy_Fieris_Hair , (edited )

Because Trump lies. It’s old news. There was no way that debate was going to play well for Biden. He had nothing to gain. People voting for Trump are voting for Trump, people not voting for Trump are either Voting for Biden or staying home. Biden has to convince people not to stay home, not convince people not to vote for Trump.

The people that vote for Trump are people so sick of the current state of politics they want to burn it all down. Very few actually think he’s a great president. He’s a troll vote. Biden’s performance made more people want to watch the world burn.

Zaktor ,

There were plenty, some paired with Biden’s performance, some focused only on fact checking.

Audacious ,

Thanks for linking this. Nice to see at least one.

JWBananas ,
@JWBananas@lemmy.world avatar

Biden shared this today on social media.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/31413fd9-d8b0-497a-a8bf-ae15af4c3b26.jpeg

morriscox ,

Why did they put an image of Trump overlaying the list? People can’t read the full list.

eran_morad ,

No, not insane. 100% expected. This is the danger of electing an obligate serial liar. We have all been accustomed to his bullshitting. About the size of crowds, about how much money he has, about how fucking oppressed he is, about stolen this and unfair that, etc. No one has the energy to give a fuck anymore. It’s all old news.

I fear the only way out of this is violence.

some_guy ,

Sorry, are you suggesting that the media is against Biden? Cause they’ve been for him for months. Any apprehension about his future prospects have nothing to do with Trump being a lying sack of shit. I won’t apologize for Biden sucking. I do like the idea of him turning the scotus ruling on them.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What media have you been looking at? The only thing I’ve seen about Biden for months has been about how he’s too old. And occasionally a bit about him supporting Israel, whether that’s presented in a positive or negative light.

lost_faith ,

Every time Biden had that “confused” look on his face during the debate, he was reacting to some absolute bullshit tRump had just said and the media turned it into “Biden confused”. Biden WAS low energy, what was trump on? It is also easier to spew bullshit, when there is ABSOLUTELY NO PUSH BACK, then it is to remember ACTUAL facts. Watching the follow up I felt like I was being gaslit on what I actually watched

Audacious , (edited )

Biden needs to make some harsh executive orders, fixing the court (adding more judges or removing them), disbarring Trump from running and forced jailing, then claim all the bullshit changes made by the bad apples are unconstitutional and be reversed.

crawancon ,

but nope. Just voices of concern as usual.

it’s infuriating they do fucking nothing

Ensign_Crab ,

Now now, his hands are always tied and he can never do anything. He’s the president, not a king.

Oh wait. Guess that particular goalpost has got to move now.

Distant_Foreground ,

It’s because it’s only bad if the opposition is furnished with those abilities.

No president Left, Right or otherwise would relinquish such power. They’d complain about an opponent gaining it but would see nothing wrong with having it themselves.

I couldn’t see any government shying away at a chance to have more power.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

He should have all the justices arrested and put in Gitmo indefinitely, then jam 6 Dem justices to the court and have them undo all the shitty decisions over the last two decades. Arrest enough senators and house memebers to pass decent legislation and ban Trump from being eligible. Then arrest Teump.and have him put to death for treason. Arrest the rest of the Jan 6th insurrectionists and throw them in Gitmo too.

Then put the structures in place to cover the things that let the Republicans set up a dicatorship so we can have a democracy again.

But no, he will.play fair and shoot himself in the dick so that the slide into fascism continues.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Pack the court and disbarring Trump would should be the bare minimum.

henfredemars ,

Could this response be any more weak and flaccid?

Wake the fuck up! It’s not someone else’s problem to solve. It’s yours.

andrewta ,

Be specific. Exactly how would he solve this problem.

AmbiguousProps ,

It’s not our job to solve it, he’s the one that was voted in to figure it out. He’s had four years, now has legal power to do just about anything, and came out with this response?

andrewta ,

Yet here you are saying to do something and yet you can’t come up with one specific thing

AmbiguousProps , (edited )

Why should I? I’m not the President of the United States who was just granted dictator-level powers.

Name one thing he couldn’t do.

Personally (and since you’re persistent), I think he should declare Mar-a-lago and Trump a threat to national security. Then, he should personally use marine one to liberate the residence.

Is that specific enough for you?

lolcatnip ,

Christ you’re obnoxious.

treefrog ,

He’s the only person in the country who can pull out a 9mm and shoot Trump in broad daylight without it being a crime. As well as every SCJ that voted for this immunity. He can then replace every SCJ he executed with his own appointments. If Congress won’t approve his appointments, he can keep killing them until the vote passes.

This ruling is a free pass for dictators. All Biden has to do is act like one. I doubt he would, but he legally could.

queermunist ,

Well, no, that doesn’t sound official.

He could drone strike Trump though.

andrewta ,

So throw the country and what’s left of it in the toilet. Bad idea

henfredemars ,

I think there’s more than enough examples in these comments to satisfy the curiosity.

Whatever should a recently unmoored, democratically elected leader do in the face of a blatantly undemocratic, unamerican ruling? He’s only just short of all powerful.

queermunist ,

He could drone strike all his enemies and their families to the third generation. He can do anything in an official capacity and there’s literally nothing stopping him.

andrewta ,

So your answer of how can Biden solve the problem of unchecked presidential power and not having Trump stand trial is to use unchecked power and kill a bunch of people.

How exactly did this solve anything? Other then basically guaranteeing a civil war?

queermunist ,

With this ruling Biden can “clear” the Judicial bench and nominate new Justices, who would then reverse this ruling. One and done.

Now if you’re worried about civil war, yeah, that’s a legitimate concern. I’m pretty sure this ruling already puts us on the path towards civil war, though? As soon as we have another Republican president they’re just going to start killing people!

Is your answer to just never elect another Republican president? I hope you can see why that’s not going to work in the long run!

andrewta ,

Sadly never electing another republican president isn’t a real option.

I’m not sure he’s got the ability to clear the courts bench. I don’t think he has the ability to do that. Even with this ruling. Be an interesting thought if he did

queermunist ,

This ruling gives him the power to do basically anything as long as it’s through the office of the president.

And hey, if he “clears” the bench and replaced them with better Justices then the new Court can just decide to not hear challenges to his actions clearing the bench. Or, if they heard it, make a special ruling i.e. it was legal this one time but actually unconstitutional every time going forward. Or even rule that he broke the law and force him to resign, but still not reinstate the previous Justices. Lots of options for solving this problem.

pyre ,

show, don’t tell.

but you’re a pussy so you won’t. and we’re gonna have to see what TFG actually does with it.

Anamnesis ,

Drop. The. Fuck. Out. You are going to fucking lose you geriatric fuck and SCOTUS just ensured that Trump will use his power to be a dictator when he’s elected.

TBi ,

If people will let a fascist win just because Biden is “too old” then they deserve their fate!

ToastedPlanet ,

I believe people are going to do the right thing this November. We need to be vocal and vote. But no matter what happens, no one deserves fascism. We’re all still people.

lolcatnip ,

Fascists deserve fascism, but they deserve to be the victims of it.

ToastedPlanet ,

At the core of self-destructive ideologies like fascism is the idea that we are all better off dead. By asserting that anyone can deserve fascism we are agreeing with that idea and we are conceding the idea that life is worth living.

lolcatnip ,

Something something paradox of tolerance.

ToastedPlanet ,

We should defend ourselves from fascists who break the social contract of tolerance. However, if we preemptively target individuals based on ideology we end up with the same problem as the fascists.

Organizing people into a hierarchy based on political ideology has the same issues as a hierarchy based on any other metric. Each time the least desirable group is removed from the population the next group in the hierarchy is at the bottom. By the logic that the most far-right group deserves extermination, we eventually remove every group of people. Even the furthest-left group eventually becomes the furthest-right group by process of elimination.

lolcatnip , (edited )

Hard disagree. You’re making an invalid slippery slope argument. Eliminating fascists is self-defense. Eliminating other groups is not and therefore not comparable. The problem with fascists isn’t that they kill people; it’s that they systematically target out groups for elimination without regard to whether they are dangerous—and in fact they tend to target the least dangerous people first.

Also now that I think about it, eliminating fascists was your idea. I think that if they were to be eliminated, they would deserve it, but I wasn’t actually advocating it. What they need is to be kept far away from any kind of power or influence.

ToastedPlanet ,

It’s not self-defense if the fascists haven’t done anything violent or destructive. Unfortunately the fascists in the US have been doing violent and destructive things and are close to completing their takeover of our democracy. As an exmaple, there were January 6th rioters and organizers who were arrested and imprisoned. However, there are plenty of people who would meet criteria that would make them varying degrees of fascists, but haven’t done anything yet.

There are overt fascists who espouse fascist ideology and talking points, but haven’t performed acts of domestic terrorism like January 6th. There are people who want their prejudices validated and want to return to an imaged past. There are people who have bought into the lie that minorities are the cause of their problems instead of systemic issues. There are people in the Republican Party who are neo-cons who want to work with the fascists. There are people who shout both sides further to the left of the neo-cons. There are neo-liberals who want to keep things the same despite our downward spiral into fascism.

A christo-fascist regime is being built primarily thanks to the actions and inactions of people using our system without directly hurting anyone or destroying any infrastructure. The fascist movement is spreading ideas, violating democratic norms, upending the guard rails in our democracy, filling the government with like minded individuals, and in the case of Trump, violating the law and stalling out the court system. The Supreme Court ended the rule of law on July 1st, 2024, not by shooting people, but with the stoke of a pen.

The fascists build the system to target groups for elimination in a way that doesn’t directly harm anyone until the system is in place. Your argument calls for the elimination of people based on political ideology.

they tend to target the least dangerous people first.

The enemies of fascists are at the same time both too strong and too weak. They claim the out-groups they target are both inferior to and a threat to the in-group. According to the fascists the out-groups must be eliminated to preserve the in-group. And the in-group is justified in eliminating the out-groups because of the in-group’s superiority. This is a contradiction, because a superior group should have nothing to fear from an inferior group.

The fascists divide the population into in-groups and out-groups as a mechanism of control, usually based on physical characteristics. As part of their crusade against out-groups they actually have to destroy the out-groups. But the fascists need an out-group to exist in order to stay in power. If there is no threat to the in-group, then there is no use in having a fascist strongman.

To solve this problem, fascists have to repeat the process of dividing the population into in-groups and out-groups. The Nazis divided people into a extensive racial hierarchy from the get-go. This process repeats itself until no one is left. It is not a slippery slope, but rather the nature of fascism as a self-destructive ideology. Inevitably the fascists are defeated military or destroy the entire population. In the end, no one meets the ideal qualifications of a superior human that the fascists imagine.

Your argument does the same thing with ideology. It calls for the preservation of an in-group by the extermination of an out-group. The out-group is both a threat to the in-group and yet inferior. Rather than striving for purity of the body your argument seeks purity of thought. It is the same outcome sold with a different scam. Once everyone considered to be too fascist to be allowed to live has been killed the next out-group will be on the chopping block.

There’s a popular adage that says, scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. The neo-liberals will be deemed to dangerous to keep alive because they obstruct systemic change and their ideology leads to fascism. The progressives will be deemed well meaning, but under closer examination they aren’t left enough. Their policies don’t allow workers to seize the means of production.

The social democrats, while socialists, believe in democracy. And what is democracy to the far left but an incubation chamber for fascism. The democratic socialists are also open to a political socialist revolution, ie democracy, and cannot be trusted by the far left. What are socialists but people who believe in an ideology that is only a stepping stone to communism. Communists who want a stateless society are simply deluding themselves according to the authoritarian communists. The authoritarian communists believe only an authoritarian dictatorship can preserve the worker’s revolution.

We move so far left we end up wrapping around back to the far-right in the form of authoritarian communism. The most substantial difference between the red fascism your argument is proposing and the fascism we are seeing in the US today is that they divide people on different metrics. These ideologies are all self-destructive because there is no stopping point. No one is good enough by any metric, and so what these ideologies are really saying is that we are all better off dead. No one deserves fascism because life is worth living no matter our flaws.

lolcatnip ,

It calls for the preservation of an in-group by the extermination of an out-group.

I said this:

Fascists deserve fascism, but they deserve to be the victims of it.

You’re twisting my words and making fallacious arguments. This conversation is over. Feel free to write another novela, but I’m done reading.

ToastedPlanet ,

Your argument is a 1:1 match to arguments made by red fascists, ie tankies, ie authoritarian communists. It was easy for me to spot because I have seen it before. Hopefully it will now be easy for you to spot as well.

It calls for the preservation of an in-group by the extermination of an out-group.

=

Fascists deserve fascism, but they deserve to be the victims of it.

AmbiguousProps ,

No one deserves fascism.

Biden has the power to do something now, but instead he’s using it to campaign. What good will voting him in do if he’s just gunna sit on his hands and do nothing? That has little to do with him being old. Not saying that I won’t vote for him, but it’s understandable to be frustrated, and people definitely don’t deserve fascism for that.

lolcatnip ,

I didn’t care what the fuck other people deserve. I can’t control how other people act, but I’ll have to live with the same outcome as them.

Quit trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Hello_there ,

This speech was a capitulation by Biden. He basically said 'no, executive isn't going to check the judiciary.' His response is 'people need to vote's? What? Where's the vision or game plan to overturning this?
It's so fucking simple to grasp the shortfalls here.

Xanis ,

I’m hoping he’s just giving us a chance to correct this. That will do good in the long run if we manage it. Should we fail it is also my hope that he uses his remaining time in the chair to abuse those executive powers to all hell.

In reality, yes, he could do more right now.

Grandwolf319 ,

Why would he do that though?

Biden is the status quo president, why would he be a martyr?

AmbiguousProps ,

Biden literally has the power to do something now, but is instead using this to campaign? Infuriating, we got you in office already, to protect against this exact thing from happening. Stop sitting on your ass and do something if you want the American public to forget the debate.

andrewta ,

Name a specific thing that you want Biden to do to fix this problem.

Mun_Walker ,

Murder political opponents with seal team 6. Lol

andrewta ,

The seal team would call that an illegal order under the ucmj. Hidden couldn’t be prosecuted for giving the order, but the seal team would say no.

girlfreddy ,

Biden could legally hire mercs to do the job and never once get called out on it.

AmbiguousProps ,

Has the ruling not fully sunk in for you yet? He could legally find a way to do anything now. He could make it legal and override the ucmj. The hired guns (SEALs or mercs), in this hypothetical, would not say no. Especially not from the commander in chief with new dictator-level powers.

AshMan85 ,

Yeah a lot people don’t understand how serious this is.

ryathal ,

He can’t be imprisoned for it. That doesn’t mean what he does is just allowed today any more than it was last week.

AmbiguousProps , (edited )

So, what happens when he officially declares mar-a-lago a threat to national security and takes it out? Because before this ruling, he could’ve been imprisoned at the very least. But somehow it’s still the same now, even after this ruling? If that’s the case, then why did the Supreme Court even rule?

Cosmicomical ,

Wtf are you on? It DOES mean exactly that. If laws now have no consequences, there are de facto no laws. How can anybody not see this?

Freefall ,

Specifically that Seal team…because people are stupid.

Kbobabob ,

Name a specific thing Biden could do that would be considered illegal now.

RaoulDook ,

That’s pretty simple, he could walk outside the White House, declare to the public “I’m on a fuckin’ smoke break bitches” and immediately punch a child in the face. This would be an Unofficial act of the President and a violent crime.

WolfLink ,

Incorrect, because statements the president makes to the public cannot be used as evidence of his acts being unofficial.

(This was part of the ruling too)

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Anything, because the SCOTUS decides what is and isn’t “official.” Democrat does it = unofficial. Republican does it = official.

AmbiguousProps , (edited )

First off, he’s the one in office, not me. He’s the one we voted to in to fix this and he hasn’t done that. He already campaigned on the fact that we had to prevent a dictatorship in the last election. He’s had four years to figure out what to do. That’s the issue at hand here.

Secondly, he can now legally do anything. So use your creative juices, it’s pretty obvious that he can do something, especially now. Not only was Trump given keys to a dictatorship, Biden was given those same exact keys. It’s time to play hardball.

eran_morad ,

Get Justice to arrest and imprison Thomas and Alito. Nominate 2 liberals to the Court and get Justice to arrest and imprison McConnell et al when they pull their bullshit. Continue until 2 liberals are seated.

I fear that if we don’t start playing by their rules, we will have no more stake in the country.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

All you idiots keep preaching two wrongs making a right. Biden doing this shit would just empower the next republican to do the same. Sliding into tyranny is not ok just cause your side is doing it against the side you don’t like.

eran_morad ,

Are you fucking dense? We’re already past the point of no return. We’re already being victimized by them, and you’re fucking rolling over. Fuck off.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

What has this ruling done to victimize any of us so far? How is trying to overturn an election an “official” act of the president? I’m not rolling over. I’m pointing out your solution is fucking stupid and not a solution.

eran_morad ,

Christ on a shitstick - the Supreme Cunts have decreed that one man stands above justice, and you’re out here asking dumbass questions like “HuR hOw DoEs DiS vIcTiMiZe??”

Fuck off already.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

Official acts as president. Not unofficial. Official could be seen as airstriking another country. Unofficial can easily be interpreted as trying to steal the election. Yet most of you are out here advocating for biden to set precedent of assassinating an opponent… really makes you wonder what narrative some people are trying to push. Surely seems like destabilizing the remaining bit of a country we have.

LoreleiSankTheShip ,

As an outsider looking at American politics right now, I don’t see you getting out of a dictatorship and civil war without a lot of realpolitik from the democrats. Assassination may be extreme and strategically unsound for the dems (making Trump a martyr), but as I understand it, it would be feasible to, for example, add 10 more people to the SC, wouldn’t it? Or change electoral laws to make it so convicted felons can’t run for office? Maybe changing first past the post and abolishing the electoral college? I admit I am fairly ignorant of the American system, but wouldn’t those be achievable to Biden if he set his mind to it and damned the consequences (since he can’t be prosecuted for those anyways?)

Cosmicomical ,

Are you a bot or are you just blind? Wait for trump to go to office with this power and let’s see how nobody gets victimized.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

Are you blind? The person said we are currently being victimized. I point out that’s not true and your response is just wait and see??

Cosmicomical ,

Trump has already released a list of people he wants to jail, including biden. You are not being victimized yet but they are telling you clearly what is going to happen.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

Ive never said anything about what the future may or may not hold. Ive stated that ops comment about CURRENT victimization is not true. Continuing to argue with me about the future when that’s not the subject at hand is a waste of time.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

He’s been granted tyrannical power without asking. He should definitely use it to get rid of those trying to destroy democracy, and then also destroy the rules that gave him that power in the first place. Doing absolutely nothing at all and expecting things to get fixed is so beyond stupid, there isn’t even a word for it.

Sabata11792 ,

Seal Team 6 the supreme court, then have the new justices remove the powers from him. If he is the new dictator then he needs to play the part before Trump dose. Were fucked no matter what.

ieatpwns ,

Send out a hit squad on 45 with his new presidential immunity

Or impeach/remove the corrupt justices and pack the court

TreeGhost , (edited )

I’m no legal expert, but could he possibly form a judicial ethics committee to investigate supreme court justices. On any evidence of violating ethics, he could sign an arrest warrent to remove them from the court.

Asafum ,

The supreme court are the only ones responsible for their own ethics. We just recently tried to force this.

We’re literally a fucking joke of a country. Supreme court “justices” don’t even need any experience whatsoever. You or I could be a justice.

TreeGhost ,

So they say, but they also just said the president had immunity for official acts. If Biden did this while at the same time urging Congress to pass judicial ethics laws, who could stop him? Hell, expand it to the federal court system and tell the committee to move fast and prioritize the most unethical judges in key positions and either the Republicans have to play ball with Democrats on passing judicial reform through law or the remaining sane judges reverse a few key decisions to unfuck our current judicial quandary.

JovialMicrobial , (edited )

I agree on this one. The Supreme Court is clearly compromised and needs to be thoroughly investigated for corruption and have their recent, self interest driven rulings revoked.
It’d be a super presidential act that’d definitely benefit all of us. Guess they can’t charge him for breaking the rules to fix this cluster fuck.

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

The supreme court has basically given Biden the power to act as a King now, then take advantage and…

  1. Dismantle the supreme court, and start the process of HIM choosing who will be the new supreme court.
  2. Imprison all who seek out to destroy our democracy for financial gain.
  3. Forgive all student loans
  4. Change the constitution to codify roe vs wade
  5. Give all homeless a home by taking away property for rent that’s been on the market for more than 6 months.
  6. Dismantle or block the entirety of Project 2025.
  7. Make law that no entity can legally own more than 5 or 10 properties.
  8. Make law that no one that has been recently convicted of a crime in the last year can run for any office (much less the president).
  9. Force term limits on congress and the house.
  10. Force term limits on the supreme court.
  11. Stop treating coorporations as people.
  12. Codify the chrevron ruling that got overturned.
  13. Forgive all medical debts and make Medicaid for all to all americans.
  14. Delist any news organization that either overly exaggerates or lies to the public (ie. Fox, Newsmax, CNN).
  15. Let NOAA make their weather app they wanted.
  16. Implement the green new deal properly now.

Use the weapons of your enemy against them.

There probably more this to add, hut that’s just on the top of my mind.

WolfLink ,

The court didn’t grant him more powers to do things like this list, it only grants him immunity from committing crimes.

HurlingDurling , (edited )
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

Ok, then he can abuse his power and do these things anyway.

I mean, this is literally what Trump will do (the abuse of power and illegal shit), and we should not take the high road because WE WILL loose to them.

queermunist , (edited )

he can do literally anything now wtf

andrewta ,

He is above the law and can’t be prosecuted, but others still can be.

Ex. he issues an order to seal team six to kill trump.

Biden can’t be charged for that. But seal team six is still governed by the ucmj. Killing a non combatant for no reason even if the commander in chief gives the order might be a bit of a problem under the ucmj.

There’s also the oath you take when you join the military

“Defend the constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic”. Killing a political opponent might be a bit of a problem when a person actually looks at that oath.

The seal team would probably say no for both of the above reasons. Biden couldn’t be charged but others still can be.

queermunist ,

Killing a non combatant for no reason even if the commander in chief gives the order might be a bit of a problem under the ucmj.

Kill them too. 🤷‍♀️

Also I think a drone strike would be more effective. Biden knows where they live, after all.

andrewta ,

At this point I have to assume you are either trolling or seriously unbalanced.

Good luck either way.

queermunist ,

🙄

The Court just gave him the power to kill anyone he wants. Not my fault that it’s extremely fucking stupid!

Grandwolf319 ,

Ban felons from running for president.

Pretty good rule tbh

Also, here is me saying he should jail trump a while ago when they were arguing that a president could do anything:

sh.itjust.works/comment/11668328

People downvoted at the time but I knew the writing was on the wall.

andrewta ,

ban them sounds good on it’s face. but it’s a state issue of who is on the ballet.

but here is another problem : while biden couldn’t be prosecuted for issuing the order, would the order hold up in court? you know the thing would go before the supreme court. would it hold up there?

i do like the idea though.

RampantParanoia2365 ,

Jail the conservative justices, expand the court, have Trump shot in the fucking face, and barr any felons from serving or running for President.

andrewta ,

? jail them for what? exactly? what law did they break? the courts would release them over night.

Burn_The_Right ,

The notion is to commit a criminal act of false imprisonment, since he is immune from prosecution now. He is allowed to commit crimes, so he should use that power for good instead of just sitting there on his ass waiting for conservatives to show us how it’s done.

Cosmicomical ,

He cannot jail them, but he can disappear them a la Harry Potter and the Consequences of Unchecked Power

AshMan85 ,

He needs to take the gloves off. The traitors are literally acting out their plan for a civil war and democrats are waiting there bent over to take it.

Aqarius ,

I mean, that’s kind of what happened with the last civil war too.

ExperiencedWinter ,

In what way is this like what happened with the civil war? States started leaving the union before Lincoln was even in office, not 3 years into his term

Aqarius ,

IIRC, the secessions were preceeded by a period where it was sort of an open secret of what’s gonna happen, with stuff like future confederate generals transferring cannon stock to southern bases, and moving themselves and their families south, and the North by and large stood by and let it happen under the rationale that “we shouldn’t anger them, they may still come around”. To the point that, again, IIRC, the commander of Fort Sumter saw trouble brewing across the river and requested reinforcements just before the war, and was turned down.

samus12345 ,
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Then after the Civil War, we treated the treasonous States with kid gloves and allowed them to openly idolize their traitorous leaders, leading to where we are now.

Samvega ,

“We keep letting other people make the world worse, and no one seems to love us for it. What gives?”

ShaggySnacks ,

We tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas.

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Samvega ,

As shit as trying nothing is, it’s still better than trying hatred, which is why I am still motivated to vote.

demizerone ,

The democratic party is complicit as far as I am concerned.

twistypencil ,

He needs to pledge to over turn this, and citizens united, put the us on a trail path

Telodzrum ,

Anyone telling you there is a practicable path to overturning Citizens United, Trump v. United States, or Loper Bright is outright lying to you.

flicker ,

If Biden starts officially executing people, he can accomplish anything he wants.

Freefall ,

That is what they are counting on!

ColeSloth ,

Damn it, democrats. Quit being little bitches. For 30 years ive watched you roll over or play nice and its gotten us screwed over. Have the 5 or 6 Supreme Court justices who decided this hung for treason. Show a country that’s sick of corruption. Politicians used to be afraid of the stick. America quit carrying one decades ago.

drunkpostdisaster ,

He has solid justification too. I would not want that immunity to stick any longer though

Boddhisatva ,

You don’t want the immunity to stick? Then show SCOTUS why it’s a bad idea. Arrest their families. Use eminent domain to take their property. Abuse your power as president to show them how fucking stupid they are being.

ColeSloth ,

The remaining 3 justices and the new ones would quickly undo this shit.

Cosmicomical ,

He doesn’t even need to do it for real, if he just announced that he’s going to hang them they would backpedal immediately

ColeSloth ,

“Oh. Uh…oppsies. we were wrong. We change our ruling.”

TheKMAP ,

All y’all are forgetting that if Biden does some wild shit, it would create a precedent and make it OK for Trump to do it too. Please think literally one step ahead.

NineMileTower ,

Like he’s not going to do it anyway. Foolish child.

TheKMAP ,

But it won’t be “OK” to do. And things that aren’t OK can be prosecuted.

You’re expecting Biden to do your revolution for you lmao

If the system is as broken as you say that you need the president to commit crimes, get out of your armchair.

BorgDrone ,

if Biden does some wild shit, it would create a precedent and make it OK for Trump to do it too.

How would Trump be able to do it if he’s dead?

Biden is above the law now, so he should just have Trump and the SC executed.

girlfreddy ,

Once the Court is cleared (and possible Congress) enact laws that forbide POTUS from doing anything that’s on the law books now. That should hog-tie the orange asshole for a bit anyway.

Unless ofc he’s one of ‘cleared’ people. Then America will be fine.

No_Eponym ,
@No_Eponym@lemmy.ca avatar

You are under the illusion that Trump will be constrained by mere precedent.

TheKMAP ,

No. I am not.

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