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some_guy , in US military to dismantle ill-fated Gaza aid pier, saying it is ‘mission complete’

Fuck you USA military and admin and IDF and zionists.

Burstar ,
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Fuck you people that support Hamas and justify using human shields with BS ‘no u’ logic.

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  • Burstar ,
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    An ability to not fall for terrorist propaganda and a desire for justice.

    Harvey656 ,

    Sadly you failed.

    DmMacniel ,
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    It seems that all peeps from dbzer0 to have this disability.

    TrippyFocus ,
    VeganCheesecake ,
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    Yeah, the thing is, it seems like it’s not “oh no, they’re using human shields, we can’t blow them up”, but more like “human shields? Oh well, load the bombs.”

    The atrocities commited by hamas in no way justify the atrocities commited under the leadership of the Israeli government, doubly so since an organised military force with a clear chain of command is quite different from a group of extremist militants.

    Burstar ,
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    Yeah, the thing is, it seems like it’s not “oh no, they’re using human shields, we can’t blow them up”, but more like “human shields? Oh well, load the bombs.”

    Finally, someone gets it.

    The atrocities commited by hamas in no way justify…

    This is where the disagreement truly lies and I’m sorry but you’re wrong. Israel absolutely has the right to go after Hamas and the civilian casualties are Hamas’ fault, not Israels. As you so eloquently put it, Israel is prioritizing the lives of its soldiers over those of the unfortunate, but almost certainly sympathetic or supportive, ‘civilians’. The second Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages you have a point. Until then, you’re supporting terrorist warcrimes by using genocide hyperbole instead of calling it the tragic intentional consequences of Hamas’ strategy.

    VeganCheesecake ,
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    I honestly don’t see much difference between this stance and saying that the years of oppression by Israel justify the attacks by hamas.

    I think the only thing we can do here is agree that we very fundamentally disagree.

    Burstar ,
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    There’s a huge difference. Hamas invaded Israel and intentionally slaughtered civilians and followed up by taking hostages whom they to this day refuse to release despite the ‘horrors’ being visited on their people. Israel is specifically going after Hamas and while being indifferent to the collateral damage. I’m absolutely certain the Israelis would prefer a clean fight for obvious unfair reasons but I have no illusions they will ever get that so here we are fundamentally agreeing to disagree.

    The (edit: the past) mistreatment of the Palestinians is a crime that I fully support ICC justice for. It should have been what all these people downvoting made the wedge issue LONG ago and their outrage poorly conceals their guilt to this end. Regardless, it does not justify terrorism and anyone that thinks it does is lost. I also think the UN should force the issue to both sides dissatisfaction so we can end this century+ of BS but I’m not holding my breathe.

    Brunbrun6766 ,
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    Israel certainly prefers a clean fight when they checks notes bomb UN Schools and Neutral Aid Camps filled with children and innocent civilians

    Burstar ,
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    … housing Hamas weapons or under attack by Hamas specifically because it was supposed to be safe.

    Brunbrun6766 ,
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    So what say you about the video where IDF had Palestinians in hand cuffs and had them walk in front of them as shields while the IDF soldiers cleared a building?

    Burstar ,
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    I haven’t seen it, but assuming it is true I’d say that squad should be prosecuted.

    sunzu , in White House Launches Fifth Investing in America Tour to Highlight How President Biden’s Agenda is Lowering Costs, Creating Good Jobs, and Revitalizing Communities Across the Country.

    Is this where they are providing free CapEx to private enterprise without taking any equity stake?

    The same private enterprise price gouging us and suppressing our wages?

    So the only win is a shiti job for the guy who paid for the plant he is working for?

    What am I missing here?

    crusa187 ,

    You got it!

    Maybe add: plant will charge consumers 20-40% additional for the product or service they provide, so line go up faster.

    Due to unchecked regulatory capture, we’ve somehow turned company towns into companies’ country.

    crusa187 , in Biden Says He’d Consider Dropping Out if a ‘Medical Condition’ Emerged

    Ok!! This works. Take the test, announce the condition, and step down so we can stop stealing time from whoever the actual nominee is. Let’s gooo!

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    You will vote for bed ridden Joe biden in a oxygen mask, and you will clap. If the clapping is not enthusiastic enough you will be ostracized from society.

    apfelwoiSchoppen , in US military to dismantle ill-fated Gaza aid pier, saying it is ‘mission complete’
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    FlyingSquid ,
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    Exactly my thought. Amazing. Our choices are now neocon or fascist. I’m still going with neocon, but it’s just depressing.

    peopleproblems , in JD Vance once wrote that he 'convinced myself that I was gay' when he was a kid

    So I get it, but that adds further fuel to my idea that Trump is using him to throw him under the bus.

    Bye , in 65% of Democratic Voters Want Biden to Step Aside: Poll.

    Step aside

    Have someone interesting and new step in

    Suck all the media attention away from trump by talking about new guy

    knightly ,
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    Seems like an easy win. The DNC will never go for it.

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    This works until they turn on “the new guy” which will take about 3 days.

    Hackworth ,

    That’s why they gotta do it 2 days before the election. /temple tap

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    Shhhhhhh!

    . . . Riiiiiiiiight!

    Bye ,

    That’s fine. It’s better than “trump got shot” (did he actually get shot or was it shards from the teleprompter?).

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    You may have a point there. This disgusting post-ear slop the corporate news is awash in, is fucking toxic.

    TachyonTele , in House Progressives Rip GOP for Siding With Credit Card Giants on Junk Fees.

    Is rip better or worse than slam?

    NOT_RICK ,
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    Its equivalent to 2-3 razzes

    Reverendender ,

    How many burns are we talking? Will they need lotion for the burn?

    TachyonTele ,

    Man, I gotta brush up on my jounalisms

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    Just make up some poll results and write the headline to be as damaging as possible to Democrats. Done and done.

    sxan ,

    Rip is worse than slice, which is worse than slam. Slam is worse than slap.

    I’m waiting for the ultimate, inevitable title that uses “curbstomp.” Then we’ve reached peak hyperbole.

    TachyonTele ,

    I would actually respect curbstomp if they had the guts to use it lol.

    But at that point you would know everything is lost.

    toomanypancakes ,
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    All is lost when we see “Politician Hulk Smashes Other Politician Over Topic (sponsored by Marvel)”

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    Everything is lost. 2016 happened and nothing changed.

    riplin ,

    I think blast is appropriate in this case.

    NOT_RICK , in House Progressives Rip GOP for Siding With Credit Card Giants on Junk Fees.
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    Too bad this election won’t hinge on any actual issues whatsoever

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Consumers getting ripped off by credit card companies is an issue, and if Democrats are smart, they’ll be making a big deal out of this. I doubt they’re that smart unfortunately.

    tiefling ,

    Never underestimate an establishment Democrat’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

    NOT_RICK ,
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    See: not doing an actual primary and then being all surprised when they realize running an 82 year old candidate is a liability

    PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

    I mean, there are historical roots for why the dems don’t run primaries against an incumbent. The last time they did, we ended up with Reagan winning in a landslide. Not defending Biden as a candidate, but there’s definitely a reason why the dems don’t run against a sitting president.

    Raiderkev ,

    I think their point is that reading and being informed isn’t exactly driving the right atm

    Cuttlefish1111 , in Inside Ziklag, the Secret Organization of Wealthy Christians Trying to Sway the Election and Change the Country

    New Age Slavery

    NOT_RICK , in Police Really Want a Cybertruck, Email Shows
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    These the same kind of cops that vote solidly republican because they “hate government waste”?

    Aidinthel ,

    It’s not hypocrisy when you understand that “waste” is conservative for “helps the poor and/or minorities”

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    Also they have no shame. And, don’t know what hypocrisy means.

    cheese_greater ,

    Do ya one better:

    waste

    something that doesn’t benefit me or doesn’t solely benefit me

    —conservatives

    Aidinthel ,

    Except that they love policies that only benefit rich people who don’t care about them.

    girlfreddy OP ,
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    One man’s garbage is another man’s treasure.

    Bremmy ,

    “Devout Republicans”

    Reverendender , (edited ) in Police Really Want a Cybertruck, Email Shows

    Yes, we need the least functional, least capable, most failure prone, most brutalist vehicle possible. For community engagement.

    EDIT: Also the most dangerous to both occupants and especially pedestrians.

    MehBlah ,

    Its just like the cars they drew when they were in grade school.

    thesohoriots ,

    With the very crayons they ate

    BleatingZombie ,

    You’re talking as if they were ever able to graduate elementary school. The last time I saw police near an elementary school they were too scared to go in

    shalafi ,

    community engagement

    OK, I’ll argue for the cops on this one. Just this once!

    Community engagement is a real thing, gets people talking to cops who otherwise wouldn’t. And that can be a positive experience all around.

    For example; The Tulsa cops had a bitchin’ (my 80s coming out) Corvette Stingray they showed off at the fair and every other chance they had. They had quite an audience gathered around, talking about the car at first and then asking questions about LE.

    Idea being, it’s not supposed to be a regular cruiser.

    TheWeirdestCunt ,

    At least Stingrays look good, I don’t think anyone’s gonna be crowding around a cybertruck asking about it’s specs

    Aidinthel ,

    The YouTube channel Throttle House did a road trip with the cybertruck and they found that a lot of people actually were curious about it.

    youtu.be/xNE-NyaYBcg?si=1CS2DxHsocEYc0b- (around 24:15)

    For all it’s flaws, you can’t deny it looks different from all the other cars around, and most people aren’t online enough to have an opinion about Musk and his bullshit, so to them it’s just an interesting looking car.

    todd_bonzalez ,

    a lot of people actually were curious about it.

    I mean, sure, if a Cybertruck parked next to me somewhere, I’d probably take a close look and talk to the owner if they were around. I’m curious as much as anyone.

    I don’t have high expectations, and I’m not interested in owning one, but I’d still check it out.

    But that’s just because these cars are rare and novel. If anything, the questions I’d ask would be tilted towards figuring out just how shitty a car it is.

    If the police are roaming around in them, they become less novel, and generally speaking people aren’t usually interested in approaching random cops for conversations. People who socialize around cars usually aren’t a big fan of the cops.

    most people aren’t online enough to have an opinion about Musk and his bullshit

    I don’t understand this point. Not only does Elon Musk’s bullshit appear regularly on boomer tv stations, but you don’t have to be very online to get exhausted with Musk content. It’s not exactly niche content, he owns Twitter and is constantly attracting media attention with dumb stunts. You have to go out of your way to avoid hearing about him.

    to them it’s just an interesting looking car.

    Anyone interested enough in cars to be influenced by what kind of car the cops drive, is someone likely informed enough to know that the Cybertruck is a misengineered lemon of a car.

    dev_null ,

    To car people. To other people it can be a “generic fancy car”, while the Cybertruck can be something unusual that no other car looks alike. Can’t get everyone.

    Reverendender ,

    Your logic is sound

    todd_bonzalez ,

    Buddy, every police department with a flashy sports car has the same story.

    Let me know how many facts I get right about it:

    1. You learned about it as a teenager because the police came to your school to show it off.
    2. You lived in a mostly white suburban town.
    3. The car had anti-drug messages on it.
    4. The car was confiscated from a drug dealer, and transferred to the police department through civil asset forfeiture.
    5. The “drug dealer” was a Black man who was caught with some arbitrary amount of weed that forces baseless “intent to distribute” charges.
    Wrench ,

    Ok. They could put police lights on a weiner mobile too. That would get a ton of community engagement. But for some reason I can’t put my finger on, they have chosen a very expensive tiny dick toy instead.

    pivot_root ,

    You’re forgetting the most important part of the Cybertruck for those in the club: danger to pedestrians and non-Cybertruck civilians.

    todd_bonzalez ,

    I actually love brutalist architecture, but the Cybertruck is fucking nasty.

    nilloc ,

    Yeah, brutalist and brutal are different. The cyber truck is a fucking stupid design that will hurt people far more than most vehicles (big dumb truck hoods not withstanding).

    They aren’t even going to be able to sell them anywhere that has reasonable pedestrian safety laws. CA needs to pass some and kill the fucking thing, not give them to cops who already want to kill anyone who makes them nervous.

    rockSlayer , in Conservative Organizations Are Quietly Scurrying Away From Project 2025

    Gotta love that the greatest strength of fascism is also it’s biggest weakness. Fascists value a strongman mentality and flock to powerful and influential people. As soon as there is any sign of weakness or drop in influence, it crumbles under it’s own weight.

    I’ll be honest, living through interesting times sucks but watching the second collapse of American fascism is pretty interesting.

    just_ducky_in_NH ,

    Wait until we’re sure before saying American fascism is collapsing. Poke it with a stick. Maybe shoot it. Many times.

    rockSlayer ,

    Absolutely, it’s not over until we seal the lead coffin. The signs are there that it’s falling apart though, and I’m enjoying it

    samus12345 ,
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    It will inevitably collapse at some point, but we don’t know yet if it will do massive damage before it does.

    newnton ,

    Potentially irreversible damage, we have extremely little time to take meaningful action on climate change and if trump gets to appoint judges for the next 4 years the situation very easily could be unrecoverable

    VubDapple ,

    You’re optimistic.

    FlyingSquid , in Conservative Organizations Are Quietly Scurrying Away From Project 2025
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    It’s like a political Family Circus cartoon!

    “Okay, who’s responsible for Project 2025?!”

    “Not me!”

    “Not me!”

    samus12345 ,
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    FlyingSquid , in Police Really Want a Cybertruck, Email Shows
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    samus12345 , in Customers are furious with Sticker Mule’s pro-Trump mass SMS blast
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    kind-hearted, compassionate people support Trump

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