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_haha_oh_wow_ , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s not very free market of you bro.

FUCKRedditMods , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue

How does he even do it? It’s like he’s on a zealous crusade to embarrass himself. I keep thinking “he can’t look any more foolish and shitty” and he fuckin KEEPS proving me wrong. It’s almost impressive at this point. He stays setting new PR for negative PR.

sadreality , in Warner Bros. Discovery Says Ongoing Strikes Will Mean $300M-$500M Hit to 2023 Earnings

ohh no! not enough!

blazera , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

gotta love America where not making as much money as you wanted is a crime

sadreality ,

That's for people in the big club...

I don't think we are entitled to such rights as peasants

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

What crime would that be?

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

I...already described it? Elon didnt make as much money as he wanted and now there's a court case. A case where nothing was taken, only not given.

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

Ah. You’re mistaken, then. This is a private lawsuit, not a criminal proceeding.

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

Law is public

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

A private lawsuit is one that is filed by a private party (individual, company, etc.). It is very different from a criminal trial.

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

it's still based in law. the government enforces rulings. Otherwise defendents would have no reason to comply.

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

It’s still not a criminal case. And this isn’t some kind of obscure technical point, the differences are substantial.

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

Would you be okay if i rephrased my post as "against the law" instead of "a crime"?

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

It would still be an inaccurate and unfair characterization of the USA, which is really what bothers me.

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

The hell is inaccurate about it now?

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

It implies that this sort of law is unique or peculiar to the USA, and it implies that the law is a bad thing.

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

Of course its a bad thing, musk isnt entitled to anyone else's money.

Like the shit with Targer where investors sued over lgbt support because people boycotted. Fuck this law.

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

Imagine if you opened a restaurant, and I went around lying to everyone that you spit in the food. As a result, your restaurant loses business. Shouldn’t you have legal recourse to prevent me from spreading such lies about your business, and to recoup the losses you incurred?

I don’t mean to suggest that Musk has a valid case under the law, only to point out that the law in question is actually quite reasonable and necessary.

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

Mmm your example is already really common, and most of the target restaurants are the most profitable in the world.

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

Yes?

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

As a result, your restaurant loses business.

"the most profitable in the world."

It just dont work the way you say it does.

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

Whether the restaurant remains profitable is beside the point. If you can demonstrate that even one customer chose not to visit your restaurant as a result of my lies then I could be liable for defamation.

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

Yeah im the one that came in here saying it was against the law. Its a bad law. The most profitable business in the world clearly has not been harmed.

But it should be.

paper_clip ,
@paper_clip@kbin.social avatar

Suppose you were a business making, say, voting machines. It's a good business -- there are a lot of elections, they have to be tabulated, and you have a way of making that tabulation easier to do. You're not going to be Google or Microsoft, but you're in a comfortable niche.

Then comes a bunch of dumbfuck conspiracy theorists who accuse you of rigging the vote against their favored candidate. You're not happy about this, but this is just a bunch of nutjobs. To some extent, what can you do? Then this major news organization takes up what those conspiracy theorists are saying, and they're doing this to enrich themselves by putting out news that these dumbfucks like to hear. This amplification is damaging to your business (because it's costly to defend yourself and you're losing business anyway), and you can prove that this major news organization is doing this on purpose, for their own profit.

You sue that major news organization. Discovery is a delight, because these people really did know that there was no evidence for any of these conspiracy theories, but they kept repeating them over and over again, damaging your business.

Does this sound familiar? That's why we have laws so that victims of libel can recover some of those damages.

Now, I'm not saying Musk is justified. Musk can go threatening to sue, etc., and I'm sure ADL lawyers would be delighted to argue before a judge to tell Musk to fuck off, since he really doesn't have grounds to stand on.

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

As much as i love fox news losing money, i dont think any rich folks in Dominion have faced any real harm from the fiasco.

Same with pfizer over antivax nuts all the way up into federal government.

Now, harm over the disinformation to the general public on the other hand.

cabron_offsets , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue

Can we stop posting this fucking douche?

ZeroCool OP ,

Can we stop posting this fucking douche?

Feel free to ignore news you aren’t interested in. The sad reality is that Elon Musk is relevant and his actions have real effects on people. Bury your head in the sand if you like but don’t expect me to join you.

cabron_offsets ,

And here you are making him more relevant. If people ignore twitter, it fucking dies.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

What makes you think talking about him on Lemmy will have any effect on Twitter? Most of us aren’t even on Twitter.

sibachian ,
@sibachian@lemmy.ml avatar

Things that are only relevant, because they are relevant, are not actually relevant. It’s fluff dressed in a suite.

Like they say, fashion is only fashionable because others thinks others thinks it’s fashionable.

As long as everyone keeps talking about Musk all over the place, he’ll keep coming out at top.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m pretty sure he’s on top because he’s the richest man in the world and ignoring him won’t change that.

sibachian ,
@sibachian@lemmy.ml avatar

he isn’t the richest man in the world. his “wealth” is stock. not actual money. and he can’t actually use that for anything but leverage.

he is small fry in the world of the actually rich; people just give him the limelight because of notoriety.

assassin_aragorn ,

I’m pretty sure that’s how it goes for most wealthy people. It’s all tied up in assets, not liquid cash. Investing your money is always better for growth in the long term.

He’s in the news because he’s become a laughingstock. All news isn’t good news. I certainly don’t think he wants news that continues to convince people that he’s an utter idiot and waste of space.

sibachian ,
@sibachian@lemmy.ml avatar

tying up in assets such as property, land, etc. has real value though. you can sell a huge amount of land without the land losing value because of the sale, but you can’t sell a huge amount of stock without the value collapsing while selling it off.

any exposure is good exposure. investors don’t normally run away just because you earn yourself notoriety, they usually do the opposite - because the market is entirely made of make belief and fairy dust.

assassin_aragorn ,

You can sell off stock assuming you’ve diversified. You are right though that for a company you personally own through stock you can’t.

And I mean, all this news should be more enough to keep investors from working with Musk. What idiot is going to trust him with money?

meat_popsicle ,

He’s so wealthy he could personally go to your neighborhood and “Mansa Musa” your place into inflation. He could just drop $10,000,000 per person to get up and leave whatever square mile surrounding your residence right now.

Assuming avg population density for a city in the US that’s only $2.8billion (~280 ppl/mile in cities). Not even a scratch to his total net worth.

A single person with that much wealth and power doesn’t require any attention to retain it. He’ll keep coming out on top because it’s nearly impossible not to when you reach a large enough number.

sibachian ,
@sibachian@lemmy.ml avatar

he doesn’t actually have his wealth. it’s estimated stock value; which would cascade to nothing the minute he tries to extract it. all he can do is borrow with stock as leverage; which would net him a lot of money sure; but there is no way they would approve billions in a loan unless he is very very specific on the investment goal.

ZeroCool OP , (edited )

Okay we’re done here. You’re contributing nothing to the conversation and I wasted enough time arguing with fools on reddit, I’m not going to do it here.

BlinkerFluid ,
@BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

Yeah… if.

Aren’t, tho.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Imagine thinking this is still (or ever was) just about twitter, or that if you simply starve the richest fascist on the planet of attention he will just go away.. 🤦‍♀️

toasteecup ,

I don’t know if he’ll go away but he is showing alot of attention seeking behavior and admittedly we’re giving it to him.

JoMiran , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

“Free speech absolutist”

ZeroCool OP ,

Oh he’s a free speech absolutist, alright! Free speech absolutely begins and ends with his personal views and those he finds agreeable.

assassin_aragorn ,

It occurs to me that I’ve never heard of an absolutist that wasn’t a hypocrite in some way. They can excuse white supremacy and Nazis, but they draw the line at either being personally attacked or held accountable.

Stamets , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue
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TokenBoomer , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue

He’s suing the anti-defamation league for… defamation. Is this a YouTube prank?

NevermindNoMind , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue

For context, this all started Thursday when the ADL xeeted that is had a “frank and productive” conversation with X’s CEO. She replied with some warm and fuzzy PR bullshit about working together to improve the platform blah blah blah. But the right wing nutjobs weren’t happy with the implication that X was in anyway cooperating with the ADL and there was immediate backlash. “Ban the ADL” became a trending hashtag, because, according to the racist majority on X, the ADL is the actual hate group and they pressure advertisers who in turn pressure platforms to “ban free speech.” Musk, always quick to undermine the sad sack holding the title “CEO” jumped on that bandwagon and been xeeting about it all weekend, threatening to ban them, generally talking trash, and now threatening to sue.

I find it depressing that I’m aware of all this.

Serinus ,

It’s hard to take that seriously when you use “xeeted”.

loobkoob ,
@loobkoob@kbin.social avatar

The whole website needs to be xeeted out of xistence at this point.

ramble81 ,

I call them x-cretions. So you x-crete them.

Slwh47696 ,

Reminds me of hearing zeeted and zooted all the time on Dota back in the day

ImplyingImplications ,

I almost feel bad for the new “CEO”. It really seems like she’s doing her best to give the impression that Twitter is still a sane company with reasonable business practices, only for Elon to completely disregard her messaging and do the exact opposite.

InvaderDJ ,

I would feel bad if it wasn’t obvious that Musk would do this. It is impossible for him to control himself. He can’t help to put his dumbass opinion in the mix, no matter how much it hurts him personally and professionally. It’s the reason he was forced to buy Twitter in the first place.

overzeetop ,
@overzeetop@lemmy.world avatar

Drop me in her seat for 7 figures with a nice kick-out clause (no stock, please) and I’ll pretend Xitter is a wholesome, thoughtful, productive corporate citizen, too.

InvaderDJ ,

That too. Assuming she is getting paid and not screwed like some of Twitter’s former employees, I’m sure she can cry into her pile of money.

zurohki ,
Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

She's doing exactly what she was hired to do.

NevermindNoMind ,

It’s a shitty position to be in so I almost feel bad as well, except literally everyone knew this was going to happen when she joined. But I doubt she thought, “What’s the worst that could happen? I have a bland conversation with the ADL, and Musk spends the weekend retweeting self deacribed antisemites and threatening to ban/sue the ADL?”

She is scheduled to be at the Code Conference hosted by the Verge/Vox at the end of September. I’m really interested in how she answers when asked about being undermined, especially now that the undermining has taken the form of her boss just being an outright antisemite.

assassin_aragorn ,

“Look he’s not an antisemite, he just thinks antisemitic people should have free speech, but not anyone pointing out that he thinks that”

markr ,

she’s a ‘ceo’ like the barista at starbucks is a ‘manager’.

partial_accumen ,

they pressure advertisers who in turn pressure platforms to “ban free speech.”

This argument of theirs is so strange. Don’t advertisers too have free speech? Is the right wing arguing that advertisers shouldn’t be allowed to choose to stop advertising with Twitter? What “pressure” can ADL put on them? Does the ADL have legal authority to force advertisers to exit Twitter? No. Is the ADL holding private information about the CEOs of advertisers and extorting the advertisers to leave? Not likely.

Is the ADL communicating a position that the majority of the advertiser’s customers find the racist, fascist, and misogynistic content now omnipresent on Twitter distasteful, and therefore harmful to the advertisers’ brands and with negative impacts to future sales? Likely yes, but those statements are themselves free speech on the part of the ADL.

What the right wing seems to be arguing is that the definition of free speech should be the right to say whatever racist, fascist, and misogynistic comments they like without anyone making choices of their own to dissociate with the right wing. That’s not free speech that’s…fascism!

neptune ,

Honestly? Musk might be so used to big business wining in court that he thinks they might just reflexively take his side.

Hackerman_uwu ,

Perhaps ironically it is the ADLs free speech that allows them to show advertisers what is posted on elons website. Further irony can be found in the fact that a screenshot of elsons website showing bigoted posts is an example of fact and not of feelings. Moreover: crying about your lost ad revenue is feelings and blaming the ADL for it is not facts.

MrBusinessMan ,

It’s never ok to hurt somebody’s business just because you disagree with them giving free speech to everybody. The ADL should pay Elon for the damage they did to his business

SkyeStarfall ,

Why not? It’s free speech if I denounce a business for their positions, is it not?

Or are you saying you disagree with free speech?

MrBusinessMan ,

No, that’s not free speech. Free speech is supposed to be for protecting businesses, not for hurting them. If you hurt somebody’s business, you gotta pay for that. Freedom isn’t free.

SkyeStarfall ,

Ok, you got me, I should have read your username lmao

assassin_aragorn ,

Excellent satire

abbotsbury ,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t advertisers too have free speech?

I remember around 2020, a lot of freethinkers began spouting something about how Twitter is “a platform not a publisher” and therefore users are entitled to treat the website like a public meeting place and protected by first amendment rights, etc.

It was basically a Soverign Citizen argument about how Section 230 means websites don’t have the authority to moderate content at all, and it died down after Trump stopped preaching it after he launched Truth

Some articles about the notion:

eff.org/…/no-section-230-does-not-require-platfor…

eff.org/…/publisher-or-platform-it-doesnt-matter

partial_accumen ,

I remember around 2020, a lot of freethinkers began spouting something about how Twitter is “a platform not a publisher” and therefore users are entitled to treat the website like a public meeting place and protected by first amendment rights, etc.

I think you’re taking that quote of mine with an unintended meaning. I didn’t mean to suggest advertisers have right to post what they want, rather they have the choice to NOT post if they don’t want to. The right-wing argument appears to suggest that advertisers should be powerless to choose or not choose to advertise. Suggesting they are wheat to be harvested. A resource owned by the company they are purchasing advertising from; its a bizarre notion.

assassin_aragorn ,

He proved the ADL’s point too by unbanning avowed racists she supremacists.

BeefDaddySupreme , in Airplane crashes during gender reveal party, killing pilot
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Nice click bait picture The Hill

Random_user ,

Was just about to point out they could have taken any of the 1000 frames from the video of the actual incident but instead chose a stock photo.

stillwater ,

Isn’t it the opposite of clickbait if they use a less scandalous and more boring picture?

computergeek125 ,

They also had an option to use a stock photo of the actual aircraft type on the ground.

FlyingSquid , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue
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He’s like one step away from claiming the Jews control the world’s money supply.

HipPriest ,

I'm actually surprised he's not crossed that bridge. I do find it interesting to have a billionaire that doesn't even bother to pay lip service to being a civil human being but is just a massive racist tool.

But you know what if he met these people irl he'd get along fine with them I bet and there wouldn't be these unhinged outbursts. He's a complete paper tiger suffering a case of being terminally online because he thinks it's his job (it isn't).

Maybe he's taking something either prescribed or recreationally that has him perpetually on a knife edge like this.

toasteecup ,

Meth. The Nazi designer drug.

Wodge , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue
@Wodge@lemmy.world avatar

He is remarkably bad at running a business for a billionaire.

Tedesche ,

That’s because he’s not and never was a businessman. He’s a tech guy who got super lucky and became filthy rich. Musk builds and designs shit, he doesn’t know squat about running a company. He should stick to playing with his rockets and making new roadsters. This whole CEO foray has turned out real bad.

orclev ,

He’s not even a tech guy. He inherited his money, and then lucked into a couple jobs with actual tech guys that he could take the credit for. His entire career has been built around buying other tech companies that were just taking off, pushing the original founders out, and then taking credit for everything everyone else did.

Nougat ,

... lucked into a couple jobs ...

Strongarmed his way into other people's success, then slapped his name on it and claimed it as his own.

givesomefucks ,

He’s a tech guy who got super lucky and became filthy rich.

Not even that…

He was (at best) an average coder decades ago who used family money to buy lots of startups and a few made a lot of money.

He was a gambler, not a businessman. It’s just when you start out wealthy you can keep buying lottery tickets till you win. It doesn’t even mean he was good at picking lottery numbers, he could just afford to buy more tickets than other people.

Musk builds and designs shit,

And definitely not that

ZagamTheVile ,

Not mine but… Entrepreneurship is like one of those carnival games where you throw darts or something. Middle class kids can afford one throw. Most miss. A few hit the target and get a small prize. A very few hit the center bullseye and get a bigger prize. Rags to riches! The American Dream lives on.

Rich kids can afford many throws. If they want to, they can try over and over and over again until they hit something and feel good about themselves. Some keep going until they hit the center bullseye, then they give speeches or write blog posts about “meritocracy” and the salutary effects of hard work.

Poor kids aren’t visiting the carnival. They’re the ones working it.

SkyeStarfall ,

Also, we are all looking at this backwards. The very definition of survivorship bias.

We always only see the luckiest people. All the richest people have been super lucky, because if they weren’t, they wouldn’t be the richest. And also the most ruthless for the same reasons.

If you look at all the lottery winners, then by definition you will see people who gambled and won. Because someone has to win. That doesn’t mean the lottery winners have some better skillets or are smarter at picking numbers than those who didn’t win.

ZeroCool OP ,

Musk builds and designs shit

https://i.imgur.com/FpgBNUf.png

Musk attaches his name to things others have built and designed.

Hiccup ,

He wishes he was a tech guy. He just piggybacks off of everyone else. He’s a leech, a parasite.

assassin_aragorn ,

What’s crazy is that he had fooled a lot of people into thinking he was a tech guy with a very carefully crafted image, but he threw it all away to help the alt right

ZeroCool OP ,

As surprising as it may sound, most billionaires do not arrive there through competence. They get there by way of inheritance and privilege.

someguy3 ,

And lucky timing.

really ,

Is bezos an exception?

someguy3 ,

How? That’s exactly lucky timing.

really ,

Lucky timing is: being a white guy growing up in the 70s/80s America.

Besides that, if you look at the company he started. It started selling books, but he always wanted to sell other stuff. His shareholder letters describe his vision from the very first one and it is consistent. It didn’t change over time. They company got lucky, they talk about prime being a fluke all the time. But on the other hand, the culture in the company was something that supported a fluke like that to bubble up through the idea pond.

Any who, yea. I don’t care for the person that the media portrays him as today. But for his initial years I absolutely give him a lot of credit.

I haven’t heard off Amazon being built on stolen ideas or usurping someone else’s company or being born with a silver spoon.

Yes he was a white male in America in the 70s and has all the privilege associated with that, but there were like another 50 million in that category.

someguy3 , (edited )

It’s more about launching a company right when internet purchases took off. People tried before, but the timing wasn’t right. He had the right skill set, at the right time, and it took off.

downpunxx , in Elon Musk Threatens To Sue Anti-Defamation League For X’s Lost Ad Revenue
@downpunxx@kbin.social avatar

hahahahah i'd like to see that nazi fuck try, see him wade through discovery, the ADL was built for this shit, it's their very reason for being

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

He prefers to tilt at specially made windmills with sharpened fans.

IHeartBadCode ,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

The thing is the added complexity that the plaintiff is adding is just going to extend out the entire process. The filing indicates something like a 60% loss of ad revenue. Even if the case runs smooth as butter, there's no way Musk can get access to the money he's seeking in time to cover the massive loss plus the huge debt obligations he's sacked the company with already.

There's zero ways restitution from this case would ever give the company enough head above water quick enough to prevent drowning in debt.

Dagwood222 , in Trump waived right to Georgia arraignment because he didn’t want to face court cameras

He may not know much, but he knows the difference between a taped performance where the producers are trying to make him look good, and a live performance where he’ll be seen exactly as he is.

Dkarma ,

Yep. For all the people saying “but trump is great on camera”. You’ve been suckered too. When he can’t control the narrative or immediately discredit the evidence against him he is largely powerless and looks like the common crook he is.

Considering he can’t keep his mouth shut I think there’s a very real chance we see him slapped with contempt and tossed in the clink.

Oh how glorious it would be to see him in an orange jumpsuit.

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